EPTPower Rank 12/01/2009 - Page 25
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
Calm Shine Stork Kal Light (maybe) Bisu (maybe) Effort (maybe) Best (maybe) not necessarily in that order. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 26 2009 10:12 Lebesgue wrote: It was 7 rax. At the time Flash sent his scv out cc was not flashing. It started flashing only well after he started his rax which is clearly visible in vod. It was definitely a 7 rax. He sent out a scv before his 7th scv popped out, but didn't make any unit the barracks came up. On December 26 2009 01:45 SuperArc wrote: Why not? Being in two leagues > one, having only one loss > having four. There would have been no logical reason not to put JD as #1. And especially if Flash lost those games in that matter. (it would have meant Flash is too scared to play JD straight up) The winner of their bo3 was destined to be #1. Flash won, so he gets #1. I dunno, Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong in game 1. Without a rape of similar magnitude, you would be hard-pressed to call Jaedong the better player. Even if Flash "just cheesed", it was a calculated, practiced strategy and it worked well. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Add a Ro8 qualification and I think he deserves a spot... Flash JD Calm/Movie Stork Hwasin Shine Effort Bisu and someone else | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
2.Jaedong 3.Calm 4.Shine 5.Stork 6.Movie 7.Best 8.Kal 9.Light 10.Sea | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 26 2009 21:05 FireGuyX wrote: 1.Flash 2.Jaedong 3.Calm 4.Shine 5.Stork 6.Movie 7.Best 8.Kal 9.Light 10.Sea Movie too low, Sea>Effort? -->lol, but adding Kal is a good idea | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On December 26 2009 21:43 Tyxiquale wrote: where's zero? 2-8 in his last 10, including 1-4 in his last 5 PL games and getting eliminated from both leagues. His record this month is a reasonably good 9-10, but at this moment he seems to be in free fall. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On December 26 2009 21:05 FireGuyX wrote: 1.Flash 2.Jaedong 3.Calm 4.Shine 5.Stork 6.Movie 7.Best 8.Kal 9.Light 10.Sea You think Sea\Light deserves these spots over Bisu\Effort? Granted Light is in the MSL still hes performing highly mediocre in PL. While Sea just like the others are out of both leagues and performing similar in PL (slightly worse lately but vs some hard opponents). Yeah they both dropped out of their leagues, but they are still beastly in PL and would probably be a favorite in a BO3\5 vs half your list. | ||
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
despite his lolfail vs jangbi and violet too, maybe i think the hardest question is really who to put in the bottom 3 spots... bisu, effort, zero (though they're great players no doubt) have been losing quite a bit this month | ||
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exeprime
United Kingdom643 Posts
On December 26 2009 21:08 SuperArc wrote: Movie too low, Sea>Effort? -->lol, but adding Kal is a good idea Why the hell would anyone rank Movie over Kal? They're both in individual leagues, Kal has better records and has raped Movie in the direct game. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
The 1on1 game was a decent indicator but Movie crushing Zero in PvZ is more impressive than any of Kal's wins, lately. He's also in the semifinals whereas Kal is only the Ro8 -- not that fair because the MSL has been scheduled later but it's still true. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
After that it's really hard to say. I think you have to put the other OSL semifinalists as 4/5 - both guys beat very hard opponents in impressive fashion, especially Movie (but Shine has played better overall I think when including PL). I don't think Kal or Hwasin's runs have been that impressive. Didn't Kwanro murder Kal in PL this month too? I find it funny nobody mentions Kwanro. But Kal has had a really good month overall. And of course Bisu/Stork/Effort get spots because when you watch their games you can see their incredible skill. And they've been playing well aside from disappointing individual league performances. So I'd say: 1. Flash 2. the DONG 3. Calm 4. Shine (losses this month are to Calm where he still qualified for OSL, Bisu in PL, and Stork but he still won the BO3 ... many good wins this month including Stork and fantasy) 5. Movie 6. Stork (literally one win away from being #3 ... but you can't lose that 3rd game, tough) 7. Kal 8/9 Bisu/Effort (partly depends on if Effort crushes Stork) 10. Kwanro CBNC - Zero (had a really rough month but he's still one of the best, put up a great fight against Flash after a bunch of tough ZvP losses) - Light (beat hero but hasn't done much this month overall, didn't exactly look amazing in his games either) As for Best? Literally all he did this month was win a PvT against a teammate, beat a rookie in PvT in PL, and get slaughtered by Stork | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 27 2009 08:53 darktreb wrote: Calm is definitely #3. That's what you deserve when you're a league champion and now in OSL ro4. Plus he went 9-1 this month, only losing a ZvZ to Hyun while beating Effort/Shine/Zero as well as Pure to make OSL. After that it's really hard to say. I think you have to put the other OSL semifinalists as 4/5 - both guys beat very hard opponents in impressive fashion, especially Movie (but Shine has played better overall I think when including PL). I don't think Kal or Hwasin's runs have been that impressive. Didn't Kwanro murder Kal in PL this month too? I find it funny nobody mentions Kwanro. But Kal has had a really good month overall. And of course Bisu/Stork/Effort get spots because when you watch their games you can see their incredible skill. And they've been playing well aside from disappointing individual league performances. So I'd say: 1. Flash 2. the DONG 3. Calm 4. Shine (losses this month are to Calm where he still qualified for OSL, Bisu in PL, and Stork but he still won the BO3 ... many good wins this month including Stork and fantasy) 5. Movie 6. Stork (literally one win away from being #3 ... but you can't lose that 3rd game, tough) 7. Kal 8/9 Bisu/Effort (partly depends on if Effort crushes Stork) 10. Kwanro CBNC - Zero (had a really rough month but he's still one of the best, put up a great fight against Flash after a bunch of tough ZvP losses) - Light (beat hero but hasn't done much this month overall, didn't exactly look amazing in his games either) As for Best? Literally all he did this month was win a PvT against a teammate, beat a rookie in PvT in PL, and get slaughtered by Stork Including PL, Movie played better than Shine..., especially since he had to play PvZ (imba matchup  ) | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On December 27 2009 08:53 darktreb wrote:As for Best? Literally all he did this month was win a PvT against a teammate, beat a rookie in PvT in PL, and get slaughtered by Stork While he have not played that many games in December, hes still 12-3 (Not sure if they count the Preseason MSL thing as official games, but I sort of looked away from them since it really was a pointless tourney) in his last 15games playing solidly and taking games from both Flash and Calm during the last 2 months. In general Best is playing some damn fine StarCraft these days. | ||
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exeprime
United Kingdom643 Posts
On December 27 2009 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote: Cuz Movie had to play Zero and Pure while Kal had to play Saint, Type-b and Hyuk. The 1on1 game was a decent indicator but Movie crushing Zero in PvZ is more impressive than any of Kal's wins, lately. He's also in the semifinals whereas Kal is only the Ro8 -- not that fair because the MSL has been scheduled later but it's still true. And Zero also lost to STX's 2nd protoss, good ol' Shuttle. I don't hear anyone singing him praises. I find the direct match a lot more relevant than the fact Movie won over a player that's theoretically great at ZvP but has been slumping pretty bad the last month. Also, I fail to see how Movie's win over Zero was "crushing". It seemed like a pretty damn close call to me. One could also argue that Movie only has one matchup that's impressive, since Kal destoyed him in a PvP (that wasn't remotely close at any point) and his vT is sub-50% with 5 losses in the last 10 last games. One strong matchup a great player does not make. Comparatively, Kal has no "weak" matchup, and while known primarily as a great PvZer, his PvT is even better. I know I'm biased here, but the way I see it, Movie only gets more attention because CJ is ever so popular. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On December 27 2009 11:03 exeprime wrote: And Zero also lost to STX's 2nd protoss, good ol' Shuttle. I don't hear anyone singing him praises. I find the direct match a lot more relevant than the fact Movie won over a player that's theoretically great at ZvP but has been slumping pretty bad the last month. Also, I fail to see how Movie's win over Zero was "crushing". It seemed like a pretty damn close call to me. One could also argue that Movie only has one matchup that's impressive, since Kal destoyed him in a PvP (that wasn't remotely close at any point) and his vT is sub-50% with 5 losses in the last 10 last games. One strong matchup a great player does not make. Comparatively, Kal has no "weak" matchup, and while known primarily as a great PvZer, his PvT is even better. I know I'm biased here, but the way I see it, Movie only gets more attention because CJ is ever so popular. Movie hasn't been playing that much PvT or PvP, although I've noticed in an improvement in those matchups. Also in PvP he has beaten Pusan, Stork, and Pure, so his PvP is not weak as you think it is. | ||
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
Bisu losing to FROZEAN should seal the deal for people thinking about putting him on the list this month | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
On December 27 2009 15:17 ndralcasid wrote: + Show Spoiler + Bisu losing to FROZEAN should seal the deal for people thinking about putting him on the list this month I don't think so, that game was a pure BO loss that just showcased his amazing play throughout. + Show Spoiler + kidding | ||
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