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On December 26 2009 01:45 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 01:42 StylishVODs wrote:On December 25 2009 22:20 SuperArc wrote:On December 25 2009 21:46 StylishVODs wrote:On December 25 2009 19:08 SimonB wrote:
Well, I guess that settles that. That game didn't show any of their skill though. But i still think flash would have been nr1 even if the games were draggen out and jaedong won 2-1 in an even bo3. I don't uderstand how some can't think it can be debated. When a player is about to break 2400 elo something is up if he's not nr1 when the guy under him is around 2300 Had JD won 2-1, he and Flash would have had about the same ELO. Yeah but flash is the one who had almost 2400 before that, such high elo drops fast. Jaedong got utterly destroyed in the first game so unless jaedong would have completely destroyed flash in standard length games he should stay at nr2. For example, spoilers about the game + Show Spoiler +Had flash made that rush and lost and then made a similiar thing the next game, would you have placed JD above him? i wouldn't have. Why not? Being in two leagues > one, having only one loss > having four. There would have been no logical reason not to put JD as #1. And especially if Flash lost those games in that matter. ( it would have meant Flash is too scared to play JD straight up)
LOL
Did you miss game 1 or something?
The Ultimate Weapon is back. And it's stronger than ever before. I am more pleased with that game than I could possibly have been with a slugfest --- back when Flash was winning Bacchus and GSI, it was with a healthy dose of aggressive plays to keep his opponents guessing. He had sick macro and awesome game sense, and it was the occasional rax-first or bunker rush that really made him scary. He's gone back to his roots and he's ready to win some golds.
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You know guys im just saying, but if PR was based on who would win a bo5 right now JD would be no1 no question
Embrace the RAGE
Edit: Im just joking/trolling at the JD fan stereotype and venting some rage while doing. Flash is the better player no doubt and was the better player in the end, 8rax is kind of gay and disappointing way to end a series that represents the epitome of what BW is today, anyone that denies that Flash is the better player after watching game 1 between them and Flash's recent performance is blind, but one game is not enough, and everyone wouldve wanted another nice epic management game between them, but what can you do, you play to win, and Flash is going to win the OSL.
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Jaedong would also be #1 if the PR was based on imaginary games.
You saw what happened.
Edit: Look, I'm a Jaedong fan too, and I couldn't have been happier when Jaedong won his back-to-back OSLs. He's a living legend and he proves over and over again that he's the best Zerg in the world, no contest. But Flash has been just quietly racking up an outrageous win ratio without actually doing anything in individual leagues for two years now. He's the best Terran with only a single gold medal to show for it. Nobody blinks when he goes on a 10-game win streak --- it happens all the time! And now that he's finally poised to claim his own, now that he's finally ready to transfer that absurd skill level and win ratio into a gold medal or two (we hope), people are hating on him for doing what he had to do, looking out for his own best interests, and playing the perfect build required to win the game.
People are hating on Shine too for doing the same thing. Guys, progaming is not about going easy on your opponent. It's about winning as many games as you possibly can, however you can. If a game fails to live up to your expectations, 99% of the time it's because the loser screwed up.
I can understand being disappointed that your favorite player lost. That happens to all of us.
I can understand feeling robbed of a long epic match. That happens to all of us.
But don't hold it against the winners, whose careers depend on them winning their fucking matches.
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On December 26 2009 06:28 samachking wrote:
You know guys im just saying, but if PR was based on who would win a bo5 right now JD would be no1 no question
Embrace the RAGE
Uhh...I'd say there definitely is a question.
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No one else saw that he posted in jest? Or am I the one who sees what's not there?
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Flash is creeping scarily close to 70% overall win rate in TLPD. If he wins his next 5 games in a row he'll hit it (or, you know, drops one game and then goes on another 7-8 game win streak like he tends to do lately).
Also first player to be over 2300 Elo in two matchups (vT and vZ). I don't think anyone is ever going to break his current overall Elo record (except himself expanding it) at 2387, either.
I can't wait to see more of Flash's TvP. If he can get his TvP together he's going to be unstoppable. I'm sad Stork is out of OSL, but maybe Flash vs Movie can deliver some good games.
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this is looking like the dominance of a year and a half ago. jaedong is a colossal player, maybe the best ever overall, but nobody can beat flash when he's on fire like this, they just gotta wait for him to burn out
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On December 26 2009 07:09 o[twist] wrote:
this is looking like the dominance of a year and a half ago. jaedong is a colossal player, maybe the best ever overall, but nobody can beat flash when he's on fire like this, they just gotta wait for him to burn out
Didnt JD kick Flash out of MSL (bo5) during Flash's dominance time?
and Flash kicked out JD out of OSL (bo3), history really going to repeat? lol
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On December 26 2009 07:19 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 07:09 o[twist] wrote:
this is looking like the dominance of a year and a half ago. jaedong is a colossal player, maybe the best ever overall, but nobody can beat flash when he's on fire like this, they just gotta wait for him to burn out Didnt JD kick Flash out of MSL (bo5) during Flash's dominance time? and Flash kicked out JD out of OSL (bo3), history really going to repeat? lol
do you mean forgg? i think the losses to forgg in msl and jaedong in gom came alongside or caused or were an effect of flash's burnout last time he was really dominating
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On December 26 2009 06:55 Avidkeystamper wrote:
No one else saw that he posted in jest? Or am I the one who sees what's not there?
Maybe. But I noticed that he had also posted a huge, whiny wall of text in the LR thread, so I took his post here at face value.
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On December 26 2009 07:22 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 07:19 SuperArc wrote:On December 26 2009 07:09 o[twist] wrote:
this is looking like the dominance of a year and a half ago. jaedong is a colossal player, maybe the best ever overall, but nobody can beat flash when he's on fire like this, they just gotta wait for him to burn out Didnt JD kick Flash out of MSL (bo5) during Flash's dominance time? and Flash kicked out JD out of OSL (bo3), history really going to repeat? lol do you mean forgg? i think the losses to forgg in msl and jaedong in gom came alongside or caused or were an effect of flash's burnout last time he was really dominating
well from what time do you consider Flash's dominance run?
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On December 26 2009 06:28 samachking wrote:
You know guys im just saying, but if PR was based on who would win a bo5 right now JD would be no1 no question
Embrace the RAGE
Edit: Im just joking/trolling at the JD fan stereotype and venting some rage while doing. Flash is the better player no doubt and was the better player in the end, 8rax is kind of gay and disappointing way to end a series that represents the epitome of what BW is today, anyone that denies that Flash is the better player after watching game 1 between them and Flash's recent performance is blind, but one game is not enough, and everyone wouldve wanted another nice epic management game between them, but what can you do, you play to win, and Flash is going to win the OSL.
No he wouldn't. Go back and watch game 1 against Flash. Flash is a clear favourite against Jaedong. People were saying that Jaedong is going down 2:0 and many Jaedong fans ridiculed them. But it happened. There is not even a slightest sign why would Jaedong has an edge over Flash in Bo5.
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On December 26 2009 06:35 Djabanete wrote:
Jaedong would also be #1 if the PR was based on imaginary games.
You saw what happened.
Edit: Look, I'm a Jaedong fan too, and I couldn't have been happier when Jaedong won his back-to-back OSLs. He's a living legend and he proves over and over again that he's the best Zerg in the world, no contest. But Flash has been just quietly racking up an outrageous win ratio without actually doing anything in individual leagues for two years now. He's the best Terran with only a single gold medal to show for it. Nobody blinks when he goes on a 10-game win streak --- it happens all the time! And now that he's finally poised to claim his own, now that he's finally ready to transfer that absurd skill level and win ratio into a gold medal or two (we hope), people are hating on him for doing what he had to do, looking out for his own best interests, and playing the perfect build required to win the game.
People are hating on Shine too for doing the same thing. Guys, progaming is not about going easy on your opponent. It's about winning as many games as you possibly can, however you can. If a game fails to live up to your expectations, 99% of the time it's because the loser screwed up.
I can understand being disappointed that your favorite player lost. That happens to all of us.
I can understand feeling robbed of a long epic match. That happens to all of us.
But don't hold it against the winners, whose careers depend on them winning their fucking matches.
Finally someone posts something that makes sense, quality post count +1
+ Show Spoiler +Also just looked into your blog, looks like Flash was reading it too:
"Flash, why can't you play a safe bionic TvZ build that will let you capitalize on your great mechanics and bio control?"
nice one
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On December 26 2009 07:34 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 07:22 o[twist] wrote:On December 26 2009 07:19 SuperArc wrote:On December 26 2009 07:09 o[twist] wrote:
this is looking like the dominance of a year and a half ago. jaedong is a colossal player, maybe the best ever overall, but nobody can beat flash when he's on fire like this, they just gotta wait for him to burn out Didnt JD kick Flash out of MSL (bo5) during Flash's dominance time? and Flash kicked out JD out of OSL (bo3), history really going to repeat? lol do you mean forgg? i think the losses to forgg in msl and jaedong in gom came alongside or caused or were an effect of flash's burnout last time he was really dominating well from what time do you consider Flash's dominance run?
gsi/osl until around gomtv 1 i guess?
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It wasn't a normal 8rax. It was a well-calculated stragegy to kill zergs first overlord on a map where its impossible for him to save it, including a 7rax.
This would result in an autowin vs 12hatch and fairly standard game vs 9pool and maybe loss vs 4pool.
It was a beutiful strategy because of the map, and I'd really like to see what his followup would have been.
Sure I wanted a more epic game though. This he could have done vs Jju
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On December 26 2009 09:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
It was an 8 rax.
no:/
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On December 26 2009 09:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
It was an 8 rax. just looked at the vod, it was a 7 rax.
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On December 26 2009 09:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
It was an 8 rax.
It was 7 rax.
At the time Flash sent his scv out cc was not flashing. It started flashing only well after he started his rax which is clearly visible in vod.
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Beside the top2 next month looks like its going to be insanely hard to determine...
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EPT
