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On December 30 2009 04:43 muramasa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 04:17 SkytoM wrote:On December 30 2009 02:27 SuperArc wrote:With  Stork's and Movie's failure today there should be no discussion who the top3 are gonna be.  Flash JaedongCalmStork/Movie/Kal/Shine all deserve #4 imo. The rest can be given to Effort, Hwasin, Kwanro... calm = fail ? I think the fact that Calm has won all his games in the OSL is significantly more important than a loss in PL. Even Flash lost to Hyun this month in PL and no one is disputing that he's the #1 player by miles.
Well it was the way he lost that bothers me... and besides beating pure(especially on some pretty ZvP friendly maps) isnt really all that impressive.
Though overall calm is still the most likely one for #3 not only becuase of his osl spot but becuase the way Movie and Stork lost today(srsly go watch storks game it was such a hilarious reminder of the times when he used to lose vs Z in the dumbest way possible).
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Yeah, Calm deserves #3 cause all the other contenders dont. lol
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I hope today's games seal the fact that Kal deserves a better spot than Movie.
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Calm deserves #3 because he's had exactly 1 bad month in the last half year, and he still held on in the OSL throughout that. He's a top 4 contender in an incredibly competitive OSL, playing great overall Starcraft, and has been amazing for a long time now.
Stork is my #4 for the same reason - he's been so good for so long, and despite getting blitzed by Shine I still think he's the 4th most dangerous progamer out there at the moment.
#5 is a tough spot - Shine has been dominant in the OSL but not necessarily elsewhere. Zero DID deserve it until tanking lately (though many of zero's losses have been quality games and I think he's getting a bad rap for a player who made RO8/RO16 in both leagues and came up against some stiff competition). Kal is playing some fantastic games but has not been dominant for a terribly long time as of yet.
...how about we give #5 to Shine[Kal]?
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I like Shine for 4 rather then Stork tbh.
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On December 30 2009 08:39 exeprime wrote:
I hope today's games seal the fact that Kal deserves a better spot than Movie.
+ Show Spoiler +losing to hogil and beating yarnc?
but yeah kal should be above movie for everything else
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On December 30 2009 15:39 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 08:39 exeprime wrote:
I hope today's games seal the fact that Kal deserves a better spot than Movie.
+ Show Spoiler +losing to hogil and beating yarnc? that's not particularly convincing on its own but yeah kal should be above movie for everything else
I think he posted that before he knew the out comes of the games.
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On December 30 2009 15:48 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 15:39 ]343[ wrote:On December 30 2009 08:39 exeprime wrote:
I hope today's games seal the fact that Kal deserves a better spot than Movie.
+ Show Spoiler +losing to hogil and beating yarnc? that's not particularly convincing on its own but yeah kal should be above movie for everything else I think he posted that before he knew the out comes of the games.
oh... just kidding. I saw the dec. 30 date and was like o_O
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On December 30 2009 10:36 tedster wrote:
Calm deserves #3 because he's had exactly 1 bad month in the last half year, and he still held on in the OSL throughout that. He's a top 4 contender in an incredibly competitive OSL, playing great overall Starcraft, and has been amazing for a long time now.
Stork is my #4 for the same reason - he's been so good for so long, and despite getting blitzed by Shine I still think he's the 4th most dangerous progamer out there at the moment.
#5 is a tough spot - Shine has been dominant in the OSL but not necessarily elsewhere. Zero DID deserve it until tanking lately (though many of zero's losses have been quality games and I think he's getting a bad rap for a player who made RO8/RO16 in both leagues and came up against some stiff competition). Kal is playing some fantastic games but has not been dominant for a terribly long time as of yet.
...how about we give #5 to Shine[Kal]?
Effort Zero and Bisu i think are as dangerous as Stork but they all failed in the leagues .This will be a tough rankings .
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I would do something like this probably.
1.Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Calm
4.Stork
5.Shine
6.Kal
7.EffOrt
8.Movie
9.Sea
10.Bisu
CBNC:
ZerO could have been on the list if he defeated some strong player, he had many opportunities and only defeated Flash once in a series he lost 1-2.
BeSt has played very few games this month, winning against terrans and losing against protoss :S
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There's only 2 relevant matches left now.
Jaedong v Stats
Kal v Hwasin
The Jaedong match probably doesn't mater. I guess he's #2 even if he does lose. Although, I guess Calm stealing #2 would be somewhat plausible in that case.
Kal's somewhere in the middle of the pack right now since he's coming from out of the top ten. So another solid win could secure him a spot ahead of Shine/Stork/Movie/etc.
Seriously? No Kal? I'd say he's #4/5 right now. Especially if he continues winning tonight by beating Hwasin.
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On December 31 2009 02:50 SuperArc wrote:Bisu/Effort>Movie lolol
shine should be number 4, no question about it
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On December 31 2009 03:54 johanes wrote:shine should be number 4, no question about it No he shouldnt...no question about it.
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Shine beat Stork -- and Bisu -- and came out of a tough OSL Group to do it. He may not be as dazzling in PL as Stork, but when it's that close in who's putting up the best results, I'm going to go with the guy who won head to head.
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Shine has not played up to the same level outside of the OSL, however, which is why he probably doesn't deserve the spot over Stork.
Also any list that includes Best but doesn't include Kal is blind fanboyism and is not rooted in reality.
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He played just as well as Stork in MSL and similarly in proleague, despite weaker PL opposition. When it's that close the head to head score and the fact that he's still in OSL is enough to rank him over Stork.
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On December 31 2009 15:10 tedster wrote:
Shine has not played up to the same level outside of the OSL, however, which is why he probably doesn't deserve the spot over Stork.
That, and his reliance on particularly advantageous Z>P maps.
If the map lineup was, say, Fighting Spirit + Outsider + Match Point, I strongly doubt Shine would be in the OSL Semi-Finals.
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Flash finishing 2009 in style.
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