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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:54 GMT
#41
On November 25 2009 13:10 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^




The only thing that could make this group D better was if Casy was in it. omfg god medal ftw.
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
November 25 2009 11:55 GMT
#42
had to go with OSL group C, 1 good player is gonna drop for sure
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
November 25 2009 16:56 GMT
#43
On November 25 2009 10:12 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.


Lol seriously, such a huge fail, Trozz. Zero is definitely the best player in that group, although Hyuk might be a favourite vs him cause that guys ZvZ is pretty damn good.
I pretty much completely agree with hot bids list, except I would probably give Firefist a 0, though I have barely seen any matches of him.
Also I find MSL E very tough to predict, you never know if Canata/Hero are gonna play extremely well all of a sudden.
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 25 2009 17:22 GMT
#44
OSL C ez
Revolutionist fan
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
November 25 2009 19:08 GMT
#45
It's one of OSL groups, definitely.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
November 25 2009 19:10 GMT
#46
Not sure how OSL D has so many votes. How can you compare either Type-b or Kwanro to EffOrt, Calm or Fantasy? 2 players qualify from each OSL group, so a group with 2 garbage players is probably not a Group of Death.
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 25 2009 20:08 GMT
#47
OSL C without a doubt
cw)minsean(ru
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
November 25 2009 20:23 GMT
#48

i think stork at 3 is too high. hes been very inconsistent and only his PvT stands out.


What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Stork is a group-stage monster, always has been.
May the BeSt man win.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
November 25 2009 20:28 GMT
#49
On November 26 2009 04:10 JWD wrote:
Not sure how OSL D has so many votes. How can you compare either Type-b or Kwanro to EffOrt, Calm or Fantasy? 2 players qualify from each OSL group, so a group with 2 garbage players is probably not a Group of Death.


How are Typeb + kwanro garbage players? They might have been shitty in the past, but they have been putting up results recently and especially last season. Kwanro outperformed effort in every kespa sanctioned league beating the same guys that beat Effort(Flash,Iris), so what makes Kwanro a crappy player and Effort a good one? Does history matter that much? Both Kwanro and TypeB are A class Zergs + Flash/Stork are S class, whileas Group C has 1 A Class, 1 untested new rookie, 2 S classes, its pretty even, anyone can come out of these groups, and noone is a favorite(except the 2 that won their games today but w/e).
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
yukido
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany102 Posts
November 25 2009 21:46 GMT
#50
definitely osl d

I mean, come on, stork and flash? kwanro is quite ok, too.
Horiz0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Sweden364 Posts
November 25 2009 23:26 GMT
#51
I voted group C since I believe kwanro is overrated which leaves 3 good players vs 2 good players (C vs D)
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
November 25 2009 23:58 GMT
#52
TypeB and Kwanro are really overrated, they both lucked their way into quarters/semi's last season. Group C has 3 great players that could go deep into this tournament, group D has 2 very strong players and 2 average ones that each have 1 lucky run in their entire career.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
November 26 2009 01:11 GMT
#53
On November 25 2009 13:10 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^




[x] agree

Both OSL groups are hard, but OSL D simply has 4 players who have performed quite well recently.
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-26 04:17:38
November 26 2009 04:15 GMT
#54
Like there's a question? OSL C.

EDIT: Although it depends on what you mean by hard; I was assuming it meant hardest to call. Hardest group to play in would be OSL D
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-26 04:41:26
November 26 2009 04:40 GMT
#55
On November 26 2009 04:10 JWD wrote:
Not sure how OSL D has so many votes. How can you compare either Type-b or Kwanro to EffOrt, Calm or Fantasy? 2 players qualify from each OSL group, so a group with 2 garbage players is probably not a Group of Death.

I'm not sure how osl c has so many votes when.
Flash > Effort
Stork > Fantasy
Kwanro < Calm
Type b > Shine
Group D just 3 - 1 Group C
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
November 26 2009 04:49 GMT
#56
On November 26 2009 13:40 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 04:10 JWD wrote:
Not sure how OSL D has so many votes. How can you compare either Type-b or Kwanro to EffOrt, Calm or Fantasy? 2 players qualify from each OSL group, so a group with 2 garbage players is probably not a Group of Death.

I'm not sure how osl c has so many votes when.
Flash > Effort
Stork > Fantasy
Kwanro < Calm
Type b > Shine
Group D just 3 - 1 Group C


Stupid logic, not to mention Stork > Fantasy and Type-b > Shine is iffy at best.

In Group D Stork and Flash are advancing for sure, and no one's going to care that Kwanro and Type-b get eliminated. On the other hand one of Effort/Flash/Calm is going to be eliminated for sure and that's a real pity.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 26 2009 05:13 GMT
#57
why do some groups have two of the same person, like calm
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-26 06:30:20
November 26 2009 06:27 GMT
#58
Not TOO familiar with the proscene (since I'm just now getting into it) but, at the moment, I think OSL D is the hardest one... Though OSL C seems pretty tough too. "/

Why isn't (Z)Jaedong in any of these? (Pardon my lack of proknowledge...)

Edit: Oops! That's cuz he's in OSL A... Got it.
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
November 26 2009 07:40 GMT
#59
The one with FireFist
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IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
November 26 2009 12:28 GMT
#60
ofc D, its like...obvious
Forever Vulture.. :(
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