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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 25 2009 01:12 GMT
#21
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.
Zero fighting.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 01:18:11
November 25 2009 01:17 GMT
#22
On November 25 2009 07:39 Necosarius wrote:
Shit, effort playing in two groups ?! :o




So is stork

EDIT: forgot to give my 2 cents, Group D definitely..
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 25 2009 01:30 GMT
#23
On November 25 2009 10:12 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.

Seriously, Zero needs to be nicknamed the Invisible Zerg.

Went with OSL group C.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17770 Posts
November 25 2009 01:46 GMT
#24
OSL group C is crazy...

Fantasy only needs to practice one matchup.
And a lot of ZvZ's which can be pretty random/luck based.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
November 25 2009 01:47 GMT
#25
OSL D: Type-b, Stork, Kwanro, Flash

It's got everything.
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Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
November 25 2009 02:52 GMT
#26
On November 25 2009 07:39 Necosarius wrote:
Shit, effort playing in two groups ?! :o


msl and osl..
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 25 2009 03:24 GMT
#27
D ez
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
November 25 2009 03:35 GMT
#28
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Why do people underrate ZerO so much?... seriously...
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
November 25 2009 03:36 GMT
#29
It's either MSL A or OSL C. OSL D looks like upsets waiting to happen, but on paper it shouldn't be that hard a group.
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KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
November 25 2009 04:10 GMT
#30
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^


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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 04:14:28
November 25 2009 04:13 GMT
#31
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.

I'd rate it like this:

MSL A: Calm 3, Best 1, Light 2, ForGG 0 (6)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 3, Shine 2, Effort 3 (10)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 3, Kwanro 1, Flash 4 (9)
MSL E: Canata 1, Hero 1, Movie 2, Stork 3 (7)
MSL H: Effort 3, Ruby 1, Firefist 1, Jangbi 1 (6)
MSL G: Zero 2, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 2 (6)

The two "controversial" ratings are probably Movie, Shine, and Fantasy at 2, but the first two guys are rising fast and Fantasy hasn't shown great stuff recently.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51619 Posts
November 25 2009 05:22 GMT
#32
MSL Group A has the most inconsistent players of all time all in one group hahaha.
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Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
November 25 2009 07:24 GMT
#33
OSL C: has 3 players that should be in in the final four. Sure Shine maybe an easy 4th place pick for that group but I could see any of the other 3 taking a fall here.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
November 25 2009 08:20 GMT
#34
imo OSL C is hardest then OSL D
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 09:20:34
November 25 2009 09:20 GMT
#35
I feel bad for Calm. His groups in both MSL And OSL are pretty tough -_-
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
November 25 2009 10:18 GMT
#36
OSL C: Fantasy, Calm, Shine, Effort ! EASY ! O_O;
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honey_badger
Profile Joined October 2009
Djibouti46 Posts
November 25 2009 11:02 GMT
#37
OSL D would be gg if you were T.
OSL C would be gg if you were P.
Any group would be gg if you were (Z)Hyuk.
김명운 Queen Zerg
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:43 GMT
#38
effort is so imba. made two groups
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JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:49:09
November 25 2009 11:48 GMT
#39
On November 25 2009 13:10 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D and THE SILVER MEDALIST (STORK)

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^



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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:49 GMT
#40
On November 25 2009 13:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.

I'd rate it like this:

MSL A: Calm 3, Best 1, Light 2, ForGG 0 (6)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 3, Shine 2, Effort 3 (10)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 3, Kwanro 1, Flash 4 (9)
MSL E: Canata 1, Hero 1, Movie 2, Stork 3 (7)
MSL H: Effort 3, Ruby 1, Firefist 1, Jangbi 1 (6)
MSL G: Zero 2, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 2 (6)

The two "controversial" ratings are probably Movie, Shine, and Fantasy at 2, but the first two guys are rising fast and Fantasy hasn't shown great stuff recently.


A lot of this is match up based.. but regardless.

i think stork at 3 is too high. hes been very inconsistent and only his PvT stands out. For any P to get a rating equal to that of effort and calm i think is too much. but then again u cant give him 2.5... or can you?

Jangbi is 0 in my book. If he didnt have those epic storms against nada and that 1 flash in the pan.. this guy is nothing.
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