• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:14
CEST 07:14
KST 14:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202578RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder0EWC 2025 - Replay Pack1Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced26BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 I offer completely free coaching services
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Dewalt's Show Matches in China BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 576 users

Hardest Group? - Page 2

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 25 2009 01:12 GMT
#21
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.
Zero fighting.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 01:18:11
November 25 2009 01:17 GMT
#22
On November 25 2009 07:39 Necosarius wrote:
Shit, effort playing in two groups ?! :o




So is stork

EDIT: forgot to give my 2 cents, Group D definitely..
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 25 2009 01:30 GMT
#23
On November 25 2009 10:12 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.

Seriously, Zero needs to be nicknamed the Invisible Zerg.

Went with OSL group C.
Liquipedia
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
November 25 2009 01:46 GMT
#24
OSL group C is crazy...

Fantasy only needs to practice one matchup.
And a lot of ZvZ's which can be pretty random/luck based.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
November 25 2009 01:47 GMT
#25
OSL D: Type-b, Stork, Kwanro, Flash

It's got everything.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
November 25 2009 02:52 GMT
#26
On November 25 2009 07:39 Necosarius wrote:
Shit, effort playing in two groups ?! :o


msl and osl..
Entusman #51
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 25 2009 03:24 GMT
#27
D ez
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
November 25 2009 03:35 GMT
#28
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Why do people underrate ZerO so much?... seriously...
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
November 25 2009 03:36 GMT
#29
It's either MSL A or OSL C. OSL D looks like upsets waiting to happen, but on paper it shouldn't be that hard a group.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
November 25 2009 04:10 GMT
#30
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^


English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 04:14:28
November 25 2009 04:13 GMT
#31
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.

I'd rate it like this:

MSL A: Calm 3, Best 1, Light 2, ForGG 0 (6)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 3, Shine 2, Effort 3 (10)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 3, Kwanro 1, Flash 4 (9)
MSL E: Canata 1, Hero 1, Movie 2, Stork 3 (7)
MSL H: Effort 3, Ruby 1, Firefist 1, Jangbi 1 (6)
MSL G: Zero 2, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 2 (6)

The two "controversial" ratings are probably Movie, Shine, and Fantasy at 2, but the first two guys are rising fast and Fantasy hasn't shown great stuff recently.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51447 Posts
November 25 2009 05:22 GMT
#32
MSL Group A has the most inconsistent players of all time all in one group hahaha.
Commentator
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
November 25 2009 07:24 GMT
#33
OSL C: has 3 players that should be in in the final four. Sure Shine maybe an easy 4th place pick for that group but I could see any of the other 3 taking a fall here.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
November 25 2009 08:20 GMT
#34
imo OSL C is hardest then OSL D
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 09:20:34
November 25 2009 09:20 GMT
#35
I feel bad for Calm. His groups in both MSL And OSL are pretty tough -_-
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
November 25 2009 10:18 GMT
#36
OSL C: Fantasy, Calm, Shine, Effort ! EASY ! O_O;
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
honey_badger
Profile Joined October 2009
Djibouti46 Posts
November 25 2009 11:02 GMT
#37
OSL D would be gg if you were T.
OSL C would be gg if you were P.
Any group would be gg if you were (Z)Hyuk.
김명운 Queen Zerg
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:43 GMT
#38
effort is so imba. made two groups
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:49:09
November 25 2009 11:48 GMT
#39
On November 25 2009 13:10 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D and THE SILVER MEDALIST (STORK)

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^



fixed
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:49 GMT
#40
On November 25 2009 13:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.

I'd rate it like this:

MSL A: Calm 3, Best 1, Light 2, ForGG 0 (6)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 3, Shine 2, Effort 3 (10)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 3, Kwanro 1, Flash 4 (9)
MSL E: Canata 1, Hero 1, Movie 2, Stork 3 (7)
MSL H: Effort 3, Ruby 1, Firefist 1, Jangbi 1 (6)
MSL G: Zero 2, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 2 (6)

The two "controversial" ratings are probably Movie, Shine, and Fantasy at 2, but the first two guys are rising fast and Fantasy hasn't shown great stuff recently.


A lot of this is match up based.. but regardless.

i think stork at 3 is too high. hes been very inconsistent and only his PvT stands out. For any P to get a rating equal to that of effort and calm i think is too much. but then again u cant give him 2.5... or can you?

Jangbi is 0 in my book. If he didnt have those epic storms against nada and that 1 flash in the pan.. this guy is nothing.
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 249
ProTech63
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4119
Zeus 1095
Leta 685
zelot 112
Sacsri 72
Noble 19
HiyA 18
NotJumperer 16
Bale 13
Icarus 10
League of Legends
JimRising 910
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K750
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox2561
Other Games
summit1g14227
ROOTCatZ133
RuFF_SC2105
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1557
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta69
• practicex 60
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5976
• Rush1728
• Lourlo1206
Other Games
• Scarra2215
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
5h 46m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
WardiTV European League
1d 10h
Online Event
1d 12h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.