• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:35
CET 19:35
KST 03:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns4[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
WardiTV Winter Cup OSC Season 13 World Championship uThermal 2v2 Circuit WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft Data analysis on 70 million replays Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
GOAT of Goats list
BisuDagger
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1314 users

Hardest Group? - Page 2

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 25 2009 01:12 GMT
#21
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.
Zero fighting.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 01:18:11
November 25 2009 01:17 GMT
#22
On November 25 2009 07:39 Necosarius wrote:
Shit, effort playing in two groups ?! :o




So is stork

EDIT: forgot to give my 2 cents, Group D definitely..
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 25 2009 01:30 GMT
#23
On November 25 2009 10:12 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Zero below the likes of Hyuk, Type-b, ForGG, and a couple others? Crazy talk. That doesn't make that group any stronger, but I'm surprised people still don't know just how good Zero is.

I'm going with OSL C for the strongest group, like the majority. Everyone knows how good Fantasy, Calm, and Effort are, and Shine has amazing results lately.

Seriously, Zero needs to be nicknamed the Invisible Zerg.

Went with OSL group C.
Liquipedia
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17573 Posts
November 25 2009 01:46 GMT
#24
OSL group C is crazy...

Fantasy only needs to practice one matchup.
And a lot of ZvZ's which can be pretty random/luck based.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
November 25 2009 01:47 GMT
#25
OSL D: Type-b, Stork, Kwanro, Flash

It's got everything.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
November 25 2009 02:52 GMT
#26
On November 25 2009 07:39 Necosarius wrote:
Shit, effort playing in two groups ?! :o


msl and osl..
Entusman #51
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 25 2009 03:24 GMT
#27
D ez
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
November 25 2009 03:35 GMT
#28
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.


Why do people underrate ZerO so much?... seriously...
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
November 25 2009 03:36 GMT
#29
It's either MSL A or OSL C. OSL D looks like upsets waiting to happen, but on paper it shouldn't be that hard a group.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
November 25 2009 04:10 GMT
#30
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^


English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 04:14:28
November 25 2009 04:13 GMT
#31
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.

I'd rate it like this:

MSL A: Calm 3, Best 1, Light 2, ForGG 0 (6)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 3, Shine 2, Effort 3 (10)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 3, Kwanro 1, Flash 4 (9)
MSL E: Canata 1, Hero 1, Movie 2, Stork 3 (7)
MSL H: Effort 3, Ruby 1, Firefist 1, Jangbi 1 (6)
MSL G: Zero 2, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 2 (6)

The two "controversial" ratings are probably Movie, Shine, and Fantasy at 2, but the first two guys are rising fast and Fantasy hasn't shown great stuff recently.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51508 Posts
November 25 2009 05:22 GMT
#32
MSL Group A has the most inconsistent players of all time all in one group hahaha.
Commentator
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
November 25 2009 07:24 GMT
#33
OSL C: has 3 players that should be in in the final four. Sure Shine maybe an easy 4th place pick for that group but I could see any of the other 3 taking a fall here.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
November 25 2009 08:20 GMT
#34
imo OSL C is hardest then OSL D
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 09:20:34
November 25 2009 09:20 GMT
#35
I feel bad for Calm. His groups in both MSL And OSL are pretty tough -_-
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
November 25 2009 10:18 GMT
#36
OSL C: Fantasy, Calm, Shine, Effort ! EASY ! O_O;
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
honey_badger
Profile Joined October 2009
Djibouti46 Posts
November 25 2009 11:02 GMT
#37
OSL D would be gg if you were T.
OSL C would be gg if you were P.
Any group would be gg if you were (Z)Hyuk.
김명운 Queen Zerg
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:43 GMT
#38
effort is so imba. made two groups
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:49:09
November 25 2009 11:48 GMT
#39
On November 25 2009 13:10 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Come on! You have two OSL winners (Flash/Stork) the MSL Silver medalist (Kwanro) and OSL Ro4 (Type-b) in OSL Group D and THE SILVER MEDALIST (STORK)

OSL C (boooo) is an OSL Silver medalist, MSL Gold medalist and two players who have done nothing in Staleagues (besides Effort winning a non-stacked Blizzcon)

Get a clue! See it my way ^^



fixed
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 25 2009 11:49 GMT
#40
On November 25 2009 13:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 09:45 Trozz wrote:
I'll rate each player.
The score is the threat level.
In my opinion:

MSL A: Calm 2, Best 1, Light 1, ForGG 1 (5)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 2, Shine 0, Effort 2 (6)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 2, Kwanro 1, Flash 3 (7)
MSL E: Canata 0, Hero 0, Movie 0, Stork 2 (2)
MSL H: Effort 2, Ruby 0, Firefist 0, Jangbi 1 (3)
MSL G: Zero 0, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 1 (3)

Group D gets my vote.
Group C is my close second.
I blame Flash for that.

I'd rate it like this:

MSL A: Calm 3, Best 1, Light 2, ForGG 0 (6)
OSL C: Fantasy 2, Calm 3, Shine 2, Effort 3 (10)
OSL D: Type-b 1, Stork 3, Kwanro 1, Flash 4 (9)
MSL E: Canata 1, Hero 1, Movie 2, Stork 3 (7)
MSL H: Effort 3, Ruby 1, Firefist 1, Jangbi 1 (6)
MSL G: Zero 2, Hyuk 1, Type-b 1, Kal 2 (6)

The two "controversial" ratings are probably Movie, Shine, and Fantasy at 2, but the first two guys are rising fast and Fantasy hasn't shown great stuff recently.


A lot of this is match up based.. but regardless.

i think stork at 3 is too high. hes been very inconsistent and only his PvT stands out. For any P to get a rating equal to that of effort and calm i think is too much. but then again u cant give him 2.5... or can you?

Jangbi is 0 in my book. If he didnt have those epic storms against nada and that 1 flash in the pan.. this guy is nothing.
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 26m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SKillous 431
BRAT_OK 115
JuggernautJason105
White-Ra 81
MindelVK 47
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2220
Sea 2025
EffOrt 658
Shuttle 599
Jaedong 336
ggaemo 92
firebathero 89
Barracks 70
Snow 55
Hyun 49
[ Show more ]
soO 26
910 21
JYJ 20
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Dota 2
qojqva3558
League of Legends
JimRising 554
C9.Mang0544
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1639
fl0m688
adren_tv1
Other Games
Grubby3979
Liquid`RaSZi2493
FrodaN1919
Beastyqt572
ceh9466
ArmadaUGS168
QueenE78
B2W.Neo31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick36154
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 7
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 40
• blackmanpl 11
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV475
• Noizen69
Other Games
• imaqtpie1601
• Shiphtur277
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 26m
SOOP
9h 26m
OSC
17h 26m
OSC
1d 19h
SOOP
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
5 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 21
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
OSC Championship Season 13
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.