EPTBest TSL Format?
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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losso
Bulgaria158 Posts
but Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 Ro8 / Ro4, Bo7 Finals sounds too good to be true  | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 14 2009 06:52 Eiii wrote: Bo7 is just crazy. That'd be tiring to just watch. Bo3/Bo5 is fine. If we're broadcasting two bo5s in earlier rounds that's potentially longer than a bo7 final. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On November 14 2009 07:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: If we're broadcasting two bo5s in earlier rounds that's potentially longer than a bo7 final. Well it's not exactly the same. You have the possibility to watch a diffrent matchup, and since it will involve diffrent players it will involve diffrent styles and play. Not saying a BO7 would be boring because of that, but I kinda agree with it can be abit tireing even to just watch. BO5 is the perfect format for big games imho. Voted BO3 for R16 and BO5 after that. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
imagine 7 zvz games in a row, which as of late would be very possible or 7 tvts lasting until sc2 comes out 7 pvps is not so bad (for most people), but it's the least likely to happen imo plus, whats wrong with the traditional bo5 finals? it's not like it's broken right now or anything | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On November 14 2009 08:22 blue_arrow wrote: 7 ZvZ games in a row? ...bo5 max, bo7 is madness imagine 7 zvz games in a row, which as of late would be very possible or 7 tvts lasting until sc2 comes out 7 pvps is not so bad (for most people), but it's the least likely to happen imo plus, whats wrong with the traditional bo5 finals? it's not like it's broken right now or anything Do it. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
Also, why do people keep saying bo7 would be boring. How awesome would a bo7 of Idra vs Ret be in the finals. Boring ??? are you crazy. They played 2 bo5s in one day for the ESC finals for a total of 9 games and everyone was just talking about how good it was. A bo7 finals would be so epic and it would not be boring because both players would be practicing so hard to make the thousands of dollars. I think bo5/bo7 finals would be better for the better players winning and the epic matches being more epic. Idk what the format of the ro16 is but if its groups do bo3 and if its just 1v1 do bo5. Just my opinion but I strongly feel this would be best for the players and the viewers. People saying too many games would get boring??? And you call yourself sc fans, you gotta be kidding me. | ||
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notrangerjoe
110 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
Bo5 all the way would suck :/ | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Bo7 is just ridiculous. What if it's a TvT final? Also, there's very little tension in the first two games in a Bo7. | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On November 14 2009 10:36 Hinanawi wrote: Voted Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 after. Bo7 is just ridiculous. What if it's a TvT final? Also, there's very little tension in the first two games in a Bo7. yeah that's the thing, in a Bo5 every single game just seems more tense and important | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 14 2009 10:36 Hinanawi wrote: Voted Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 after. Bo7 is just ridiculous. What if it's a TvT final? Also, there's very little tension in the first two games in a Bo7. I agree with this. Plus, a Bo7 is really, really exhausting for not only the players, but the casters AND the the viewers. I think I prefer bo3 ro16 followed by bo5 for the latter rounds, but all bo5 is acceptable as well. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
Of course, everyone wants to see some insane Bo7 between idra and ret or something, but what if Idra and Ret doesn't happen? Ending TSL off with a bo7 zvz or tvt or even pvp would be pretty ='( Would most people really want to spend an entire day watching a Bo7 tvt series that starts off with no intensity, and then progressively gets worse and worse due to tiredness and repetivity? Sure, you could say that in the case of an all-Terran bo5 semifinals, it could be worse with the possibility of 10 straight games of TvT, but how is that a reason to justify even more TvT by upping the finals from a bo5 to a bo7? The same goes for all mirror matchups; I still remember people complaining about the PvP finals last time, and that's with PvP being the least hated of the mirror-matchups. You might also say that a mirror finals has a low probability of occuring, but if this TSL is being based off of current/recent maps, then the probability of a mirrors finals (especially zvz and possiblby tvt) is very high; just look at our most recent professional finals.. After looking at the major risks and relatively minor benefits of a Bo7, I don't think it's worth it Don't forget those ZvZ OSLs and MSLs, along with the TvT GSL... we don't need another Bo7 ZvZ/TvT TSL to top things off. | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Bo7 would be too drawn out. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Endurethetoothache
United States51 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
On November 14 2009 07:11 XsebT wrote: Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 after that... Seems so obvious. +1 | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
~~~just kidding~~~ -.-v | ||
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MrWinkles
United States200 Posts
Earlier rounds, bo3. That's good enough, it may also create some interesting matchups if someone can think their way through. Next rounds, bo5s. Real skill determining format. It'll ensure nobody "sneaks through" who shoudnt be in the late rounds. bo7 finals = epic. TSL = epic. I know it's long, but it may only wind up being 5 games, and if it goes longer, it'll be all the more exciting for it. And the more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Too many games can actually get tiresome. Hate what hockey's done with playoff formats the last decade. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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endGame
United States394 Posts
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PeAcY6969
France621 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
Id be happy with BO3's until the finals. Its one of those things where you want to have a lot of content, but you dont want to go for too long. Commentators will get tired, people wont be able to sit down and watch for hours on end. | ||
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iG.SwOrD
Bulgaria183 Posts
more epicness | ||
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
But Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 Ro8 / Ro4, Bo7 Finals is also perfectly fine. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
But Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 Ro8 / Ro4, Bo7 Finals is also perfectly fine. | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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maleum
Poland8 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
all BO7's would just be wayy too much | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
lucky 3-0 is really hard i think bo5 until finals bo7 cause finals is epic need more games^^; | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
do what the MSL and OSL do bo3 in the ro16's and bo5's from the ro8 on | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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6xFPCs
United States412 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Reason: 1. Each game counts more. 2. Prepare 5 bo's is easier than 7 and will give better games. 3. Bigger % chance for having a final deciding match. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
Actually the real reason I voted that one is because I love watching StarCraft and there just simply isnt enough games of these top foreign players. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
Anything more than that would honestly just be tiring =/ | ||
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Oai
United States40 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
J/k, I voted for bo3, bo5, bo7. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
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Tomer
United States105 Posts
On November 14 2009 10:36 Hinanawi wrote: Voted Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 after. Bo7 is just ridiculous. What if it's a TvT final? Also, there's very little tension in the first two games in a Bo7. QFT. I dont think the first 2 or 3 games would be very exciting in a bo7 | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On November 15 2009 05:40 StylishVODs wrote: Bo5 finals OSL style is best imo. Reason: 1. Each game counts more. 2. Prepare 5 bo's is easier than 7 and will give better games. 3. Bigger % chance for having a final deciding match. Exactly my thoughts on this. | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
On November 14 2009 10:36 Hinanawi wrote: Voted Bo3 Ro16, Bo5 after. Bo7 is just ridiculous. What if it's a TvT final? Also, there's very little tension in the first two games in a Bo7. This is the correct vote! I've never heard anything good about a bo7. | ||
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-fj.
Samoa462 Posts
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integral
United States3156 Posts
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Ruken
United States858 Posts
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
On November 15 2009 05:40 StylishVODs wrote: Bo5 finals OSL style is best imo. Reason: 1. Each game counts more. 2. Prepare 5 bo's is easier than 7 and will give better games. 3. Bigger % chance for having a final deciding match. Also exactly my thoughts. BO5 will most likely produce better games than BO7 | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
B O 7 ! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 16 2009 00:20 wadadde wrote: All you BO5 clowns are in the minority and seriously, yes, the BO7 format could be over the top, but it could also be the most memorable foreigner finals ever. Starcraft is almost dead and I think we need to think of its legacy. Which finals are we going to remember? The BO5 one, which contained some very decent games? Or the BO7 one, which lasted so long that it wasn't actually the player who had the best builds planned out who won, but rather the player who got terribly far behind, before eventually making a comeback based on raw skill and absolute determination ? B O 7 ! More games doesn't equal better finals. They could go for Bo21 and there would be no tension in any game. Less games equals more tension, but also increases the luckfactor. Bo5 is the perfect mix. I remember lots of Bo5 from the korean pro scene, and Bo5 is certainly enough. Only reason why we're in the minority is because many people vote before they actually think about it, as has been stated above. I hope the staff knows about this too. | ||
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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wadadde
270 Posts
On November 16 2009 00:46 StylishVODs wrote: More games doesn't equal better finals. They could go for Bo21 and there would be no tension in any game. Less games equals more tension, but also increases the luckfactor. Bo5 is the perfect mix. I remember lots of Bo5 from the korean pro scene, and Bo5 is certainly enough. Only reason why we're in the minority is because many people vote before they actually think about it, as has been stated above. I hope the staff knows about this too. Well, you're right and you're wrong. If you've ever watched a snooker finals, then you'd know that indeed, the first few frames are not the most exciting. However, the longer a match goes, the more tired the players get and it's very hard for players to keep their cool. I'm not that interested in consistently perfect plays. I'm more into seeing these gladiators fight till they've got nothing more to give. The fact that BO5 'works' is not something I will dispute, but getting out of that comfort zone MIGHT bring something special to the finals. | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
Ro7 fucks a lot of the mind game because each of the games lose of their importance. The gambling in cheeses / Bo choices is much, much more exciting in Bo5 imo. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
On November 16 2009 03:59 wadadde wrote: Well, you're right and you're wrong. If you've ever watched a snooker finals, then you'd know that indeed, the first few frames are not the most exciting. However, the longer a match goes, the more tired the players get and it's very hard for players to keep their cool. I'm not that interested in consistently perfect plays. I'm more into seeing these gladiators fight till they've got nothing more to give. The fact that BO5 'works' is not something I will dispute, but getting out of that comfort zone MIGHT bring something special to the finals. yeah, it also might bring something terrible and depressing to the finals instead. and comparing sc to snookers is not good, you are always on edge, fidgity, extremely reactive and concentrated in SC, while in snookers you have time to think coolly and chill yourself out. And why would you not want consistent and awesomely-executed plays? I don't want the last few games to become something that looks like some D- scrubs are playing against each other because the players are so tired and sloppy.. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Especially with the last qualifier stage being a best of 5, I think it would be weird to go back to a best of 3. A best of 5 has between 24-40 games in the round of 16 while a group stage has 24 + tiebreakers. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
!Unreasonable to play bo5s for every other game though ;p | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
Bo7 just isn't all that fun imo. There's so much pressure in a Bo5 but the luck element is reduced more than in a Bo3.... Bo7 just doesnt feel right. | ||
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EverydayStruggle
United States77 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Bo3 until Ro16, then Bo5 after. I don't know how anything else is even being considered -_- | ||
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
On November 16 2009 16:28 EvilTeletubby wrote: How the hell can you guys voting even consider the Bo7 options. T____T Bo3 until Ro16, then Bo5 after. I don't know how anything else is even being considered -_- I agree. Bo3 can be luck and Bo7 is hugely unnecessary as Bo5 in most cases ends with the person who played better throughout the series, and another 2 games won't change that. Not only for the players themselves but the casters and even the spectators, Bo7 would get boring. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On November 16 2009 16:28 EvilTeletubby wrote: How the hell can you guys voting even consider the Bo7 options. T____T Bo3 until Ro16, then Bo5 after. I don't know how anything else is even being considered -_- There's already a Bo5 qualifier right before the Round of 16. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
Anyways, Bo5 all-round sounds like the best option, but if I were planning to watch every match I'd probably prefer Bo3 or some kind of group system in the early stages. Mass Bo5 would get tiring fast. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
this | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On November 14 2009 10:47 Kazius wrote: There should be an option: Bo3 if TvT, Bo9 if ZvZ, Bo7 everything else. hehehe Bo3-Bo5-and finals Bo7 will be great for me. Good luck with all! | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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flothere
Germany55 Posts
I trust the staff to do so, everything else would just overdo it. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
First 3 games One Day Last 4 potential Next Day Give the momentum some time to rest so that someone couldn't ride it to victory! If down 3-0 maybe the loser can come back 4-3! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 17 2009 08:23 Rucky wrote: Bo 7 Final Split so it's less tiring for players casters staffers viewers First 3 games One Day Last 4 potential Next Day Give the momentum some time to rest so that someone couldn't ride it to victory! If down 3-0 maybe the loser can come back 4-3! That is quite possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
Bo7 for semis. Bo11 for finals. ezpz | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
voted bo3/bo5 | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On November 17 2009 12:57 EatThePath wrote: bo7 is too much. People who want that probably don't have candy discipline either. :\ Yeah once we actually get to the best of 7, people will be complaining that it's dragging on too long. Bo5 is fine for determining skill, and it's still exciting.. even if someone wants to bunker rush 3 times in a row. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
T__T | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 17 2009 07:10 blue_arrow wrote: ITS GONA DEFFANETY WIL BE TEH MINDBLAST EPIC BO7 YEHhhhh1111! =( This made me laugh so hard:D | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Imagine having to play 7 games in a row... | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
For those concerned about the casters: They have all casted more than seven games a day to get to that point. Doesn't anyone remember how unsatisfying that last cast felt? I wanted more, especially after getting TWO bo5's the weeks leading up to it. So I think bo7 is totally fine. OR an extensive postgame analysis. I think the finals should be more of an EVENT, with questions sent in afterwards and stuff. | ||
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