EPTI do think though that Effort deserves to go up one step (or two), notably after what he did in proleague. But I might be confusing August with September.
Power Rank 09/01/2009 - Page 7
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
I do think though that Effort deserves to go up one step (or two), notably after what he did in proleague. But I might be confusing August with September. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
weird pr, all the players diserve to be there but the order is really wrong :| | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2246 Posts
On September 01 2009 17:08 Elroi wrote: Stork just played well one series this month: vs Jaedong. And I think JD should have won if it wasn't for the FA thing that stoped him from practicing. So i don't at all agree with the fanboys thinking that Stork should have gotten a higher rank. I do think though that Effort deserves to go up one step (or two), notably after what he did in proleague. But I might be confusing August with September. you forgetting about stork stomping on fantasy... | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
Fantasy is a little weird. Yes, he was awesome in the Proleague finals... But well... Proleague finals are not BO5's. He showed brilliance in 1 game and cheese in the other. I sometimes get the feeling that Fantasy was sent to the Superace-Match over Bisu because Terran is more capable of cheesing than Protoss (and that oov/boxer play Terran). I think you are wrong for many reasons: 1. Fantsy is known for being one of the smartest bo 5 players ever. This is a fact, if you need a reference I say go ask Artosis.. 2. Bisu cheeses as often and as successfully as Fantsy, but I have to admit that it is mostly in PvT. 3. I think Fantasy is charismatic... | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
You say it's not about medals. So looking at his performance, fantasy has lost 6 out of his last 10 games (with 2 wins v an amateur). "performance" goes beyond a player's record, especially when the games are proleague grand finals and OSL semi finals... | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On September 01 2009 17:12 johanes wrote: you forgetting about stork stomping on fantasy... Yeah you're right, and he did it brilliantly.. but it was only at the end of the month he has not at all been consistent. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
As billions of babbling fans bicker and beg for the B word to be used, I'm just here to tactfully avoid that discussion but say that JD, having borne the brunt of many beatings, is now by and large back and ready to bashfully agree that the baton is still very much in his possession. JUST DO IT GOD DAMN IT + Show Spoiler + J/k, thanks for the new power rank! | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On September 01 2009 17:12 johanes wrote: you forgetting about stork stomping on fantasy... He didnt say anything wrong, Stork didnt practice properly for Upamgic or Fantasy. 0 Practice for upmagic, and offrace practice vs fantasy with 0 games as toss, he didnt even practice his own builds. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 01 2009 14:37 On_Slaught wrote: Well, thank goodness this isn't the last-ten-games Power Ranking and that this is actually the September Power Rank. Fantasy played more than 10 games in August - and he went 3-3 with Jaedong over the course of the month. They traded cheeses, and played 3 reasonable games and well, fantasy just collapsed in Game 4 of the semis. 3-3 again Jaedong, who is by far the best player in the world, and bringing him within mortal reach is a huge accomplishment which is easily overlooked since that was right at the start of the month. In addition to drawing even with Jaedong, he fared admirably in WCG and his game against Stork on outsider was amazing. So yea, he did tail off a bit towards the end of the month, but realistically the only player that was anywhere near consistent in August was Jaedong - everyone else was inconsistent (even Bisu)You say it's not about medals. So looking at his performance, fantasy has lost 6 out of his last 10 games (with 2 wins v an amateur). It seems the only basis for Fantasy at 2 is his PL performance, from where he has done nothing but go down-hill since then (which contradicts the non-medals things). He barely beats Kal and gets spanked by fantasy in the worst kind of way. If anything, PL should get the least amount of weight considering it's a team event (he didn't get all the wins himself) and considering the other factors (such as Jaedong having to prepare for multiple matchups on multiple maps and preparing for aces) while Fantasy just prepped to snipe Jaedong basically. When they were actually matched up in a head-to-head battle he got spanked by jaedong in another bo5. Fact is, Fantasy shouldn't be number 2 based upon his performance or even your own standards. If you HAVE to have a skt player at number 2, noone would of complained about Bisu. At least that would of made sense. Edit: BTW, out of fariness should point out I appreciate the work rip is putting into this and think the list was well-written, regardless of the one mistake mentioned above  . | ||
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sehole
Korea (South)3 Posts
for the month of august #1 kespa #2 jaedong I don't think that I have to explain why kespa deserves the #1 ranking this month. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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MisteR
Netherlands595 Posts
And to get back on Clam: He won against Effort when he was in a slump, he won against Jaedong after LJD lost in the proleague finals and one day before the infinitely more important OSL semi final, and then he won 3-1 against Kwanro, a mediocre zvz player. Sure he's good, but he is also damn lucky in my humble opinion. Still given that he did win an MSL and won against Jaedong I can understand that anyone could rate his performance different. What I don't understand is that many posters above and probably below me as well can't comprehend that a rating of performance is always gonna be a personal matter. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On September 01 2009 20:00 MisteR wrote: This powerrank is excellent. The explanations are good, all the players are good, and the cbnc players deserve their spot. Unfortunately, some people fail to understand that second place for Fantasy is a bit of a personal opinion. I would have put Bisu and Stork above Calm, but that's only because I don't like the Brainy zerg at all. Putting Fantasy on #2 has a good explanation, and given the fact that Fantasy was competitive with superb starcraft even in his loser games, plus the fact that he was MVP in the most important series of the year, that is the proleague finals, in addition to everyone playing few games and being inconsistent, I'd say that it is only personal, subjective opinion that could argue that Fantasy does not deserve second spot. And to get back on Clam: He won against Effort when he was in a slump, he won against Jaedong after LJD lost in the proleague finals and one day before the infinitely more important OSL semi final, and then he won 3-1 against Kwanro, a mediocre zvz player. Sure he's good, but he is also damn lucky in my humble opinion. Still given that he did win an MSL and won against Jaedong I can understand that anyone could rate his performance different. What I don't understand is that many posters above and probably below me as well can't comprehend that a rating of performance is always gonna be a personal matter. So your saying if idra gets played in pl next season and goes 1-7 in the first month but played superb sc we can put him at no.7 in power rank? your reasoning is flawed dude | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9053 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
Kwanro actually did a 5pool, not a 4pool in game 1 against calm and I don't think he's ever been on the power rank before. (referring to "All in all though, August has been a good month for this little dude, and from nowhere he jumps back onto the PR at #7.") I really enjoyed your writing and I got a laugh out of "flash in the pan" when describing fantasy. ("Call him the Hope of Terran, or a flash in the pan, call him what you like.") I'm glad that you look at results, not at statistics like many people seem to do. Also, you give credit where credit is due, even if the proleague finals (unquestionably the most important tournament) happened early in the month and everyone's already forgotten about it due to all of the individual leagues that's happened since. Also, not to excuse Jaedong's loss or to diminish Calm's win but Jaedong said he didn't practice as much for MSL as he did OSL. They were on back to back days and I'm sure that Jaedong was much hungrier for an OSL win (revenge against fantasy + golden mouse) than he was for an MSL win. | ||
riptide
5673 Posts
Just dropped them in.Regarding the other comments that have been made since I posted last, I don't really see a lot to rebut. I have already outlined my reasons for ordering the top four as I have done, and no one has really said anything new. I'm sure some interesting arguments are to come though, so will definitely keep my eyes peeled. | ||
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Karmosin
Sweden31 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On September 01 2009 21:37 Karmosin wrote: Seems like Jae goes more on rep here than actual effort this month >-> he went 3-1 against #2 and 3-0 against #9 to win a golden mouse, becoming only the third person to do so - the other two are starcraft legends and so is he | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On September 01 2009 01:23 Geo.Rion wrote: wow, a PR on first, and JD on the first rank. I could get used to this Oh, and i love you riptide Forget what several people are whining about. Apparently some people forgot that SPL finals are the biggest stage in gaming. Much love, riptide | ||
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