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On August 09 2009 11:27 Sadistx wrote:Good to know the admin is a power tripper douche that cares more about his ego than the quality of games. I guess Greg was right when he called you terrible. If I'm missing the context with this, please enlighten me, but that's how you come off with these segments and your decision. lol at using the money as pulling rank, afaik it's not even your money but some benefactor's.
Wow thats fucking weak. Although pretty typical behavior for the "elite" segment of the tl community imo.
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if inc is so dedicated to this tournament, why does he have to be a pain and proves his point? we all know idra is bm, no news there. and if inc had left right away, even after idra's (bm) comment, we all would know that he's more mature.
Edit: Oh and, 'save rep after you win dinot,' is just as bm. why should idra have to play with the tournament admin bm'ing him?
it's just a case of who is less immature. not who is more mature, which is sad.
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horror beat ret that's awesome. GJ Horror! :D
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On August 09 2009 20:12 Jumperer wrote:
I agreed with incontrol all the way. This isn't about being a good tournament organizer, it's about teaching someone to be respectful to others. Just because you go to korean doesn't give you a right to treat everyone like a piece of shit. Just because you are the best player doesn't mean you can be BM and yell at others. However, I don't think Idra was trying to be BM on purpose when he told inc to "get out." I believe that Idra has poor social skill and that he would say "get out" regardless of whoever the obs was, instead of saying something like "leave." It's just Idra style man.
However, Idra is probably being forced to play SC 50 hours a day and he uncannily has no time to learn social etiquette.
Still, it was good to see someone else beside me fighting back against the top-american-player BM fever. Iloveoov said, "If one stays at the top position for a long time, they lose their manners." He couldn't be more right.
The iloveoov quote is hilarious considering that during his reign of terror on the gamei server before turning pro, he was notoriously BM - trashtalking pros, telling them what they did wrong in their TV games etc -.-
Or so the story goes (or the story that was related to me anyhow).
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GOGOGOGO DinOt!!!!!
and Idra?.... well i hate this guy. Its the personification of all the worst things about sc players. Its a shame for all the foreign scene of sc:bw... Don´t feed the Troll!! Let Idra starving to death!!
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On August 10 2009 00:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
The iloveoov quote is hilarious considering that during his reign of terror on the gamei server before turning pro, he was notoriously BM - trashtalking pros, telling them what they did wrong in their TV games etc -.-
Never took iloveoov to be a bad mannered person haha. I thought someone foreign would fit that role. Do you know of any other players who were bad mannered as well (korean mainly)?
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On August 10 2009 00:42 Kage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2009 00:09 FrozenArbiter wrote:
The iloveoov quote is hilarious considering that during his reign of terror on the gamei server before turning pro, he was notoriously BM - trashtalking pros, telling them what they did wrong in their TV games etc -.-
Never took iloveoov to be a bad mannered person haha. I thought someone foreign would fit that role. Do you know of any other players who were bad mannered as well (korean mainly)?
Stork
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On August 09 2009 22:49 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:
"Plexa and I are God.."
From the Highlander rules.
As Inc said, this is his tournament. And he runs it his own way. He never said that it would be run in the most professional manner possible, he even said he was an amatuer tournament organiser.
The way I see it this tournament is run on the same foundations as this site: It's my site/tournament, you are my guest. You follow my word. Therefore I find it funny TL.net admins critisising Inc for this.
Is it fair? No. Is it anything wrong with it? No, not if you don't go out and try to give the impression of anything else. Every player who signed up knew this beforehand, and if they didn't it's their fault for not informing themselves.
And if you don't act like ass, you won't get treated like one. If Idra had just acted decently it would have been no problem. Perhaps you think that Inc acted out of proportion against Idra or something. Look at it this way instead: How much effort would it take from Idra's side to just act decently or at the very least just shut up? He's choosing to behave like an ass, and there is nothing in the world that is forcing him to.
quoting this because it is exactly my point,
We've established I could have put on my silk gloves and walked on eggshells with IdrA.. this post and ALL my posts should indicate that was never going to be the case, from the very beginning.
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I agree with INC's reasoning, respect the admins and organizers please they put a lot of time into it and it's bullshit when players think that they can disrespect the admins and then get away with it. Maybe the decision to stay for the first minute wasn't the best one, I'd have probably threatened with a DQ from the tournament if they don't manner up.
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On August 09 2009 22:27 Twisted wrote:
lol I still don´t get why Idra is still allowed in tournaments, let alone INVITE tournaments hahaha
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They were both idiots in this situation. Idra was using his same style of comments by requesting inc to leave, whats new. I had a lot of respect for you before this, inc. You acted worse than Idra does. But what surprises me is that the managers over at CJ don't ever react to the way Idra represents their team. I am shocked he hasn't been given the boot for this behavior. I don't think he started this argument, but the last comment is just pathetic...
Incontrol, wtf? Who cares if it is "your" tournament. Why use that fallback to explain yourself acting liking a child on a power trip? I love your "don't do a power struggle" when you were the one clearly on the power trip in that log. He simply asked you to leave over and over again when you kept running YOUR mouth.
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On August 10 2009 03:03 jeremycafe wrote:
They were both idiots in this situation. Idra was using his same style of comments by requesting inc to leave, whats new. I had a lot of respect for you before this, inc. You acted worse than Idra does. But what surprises me is that the managers over at CJ don't ever react to the way Idra represents their team. I am shocked he hasn't been given the boot for this behavior. I don't think he started this argument, but the last comment is just pathetic...
Incontrol, wtf? Who cares if it is "your" tournament. Why use that fallback to explain yourself acting liking a child on a power trip? I love your "don't do a power struggle" when you were the one clearly on the power trip in that log. He simply asked you to leave over and over again when you kept running YOUR mouth.
kind of agree, Idra acted in his usual manner, inc not only went down to his level, but much lower.admins shouldn't behave like this, and say whatever you want, but in this situation, Idra isn't the one to blame imo.
but then theres "its his tourney and rules" argument, which is strong, but i see it as ~either lick up to inc and be treated nice, or if you dont like/have grudge against him, add "please mr admin" at the end of every request and pray that he wont find it ironical.
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Tournament organizers should not power trip over whiny BW players or BM chat. It comes with the territory, did you really expect someone like Idra to bow down to you? If you want the game to count because it was played, fine. But posting something like "we would've replayed had you not been a dick" is completely unprofessional and shouldn't happen in a serious tournament. I don't care if its your tournament or your money or how much effort you put into it, there should be standards when it comes to basically deciding who advances to the finals. The determining factor should be the play, not the manner of the players. I mean, we could see this moment coming from a mile away -- "k get out" and "you are a terrible admin" is inevitably going to come, why not just ban Idra from the tournament in the beginning? Because this confrontation was basically guaranteed to happen.
On August 09 2009 16:43 Diggity wrote:
I am extremely impressed with Incontrol's decision making in this tournament, particularly his balance between quality of play and player behavior. It really shows a high level of maturity in my opinion.
I don't think anyone is saying this is the right decision by Incontrol 100%. It's clear both parties obviously acted poorly. A lot of people are arguing that Inc was justified in allowing the game to count and basically giving Idra a loss based on manner, but I don't think anyone is saying they're impressed with how Inc handled the situation. Nobody here is completely in the right.
On August 09 2009 18:00 Diggity wrote:
First of all I found his overall behavior and decision making in this tournament mature, not just in this instance. Secondly I found this reaction to be extremely mild in comparison to other admins and individuals in positions of power in similar situations.
Just because so many Brood War tournaments have ridiculously unreasonable and power-trippy admins doesn't justify anything. Just because some ICCup guys or WC8 would flip out and burn down a house if Idra said this to them doesn't mean the decision was right. We really should have higher standards when it comes to admin behavior.
The whole reaction about "oh he disrespected me with the K GET OUT" is really unnecessary. Would it have been so hard to just leave the game, let them play, and warn Idra afterwards? During TSL we could have taken many statements from players with similar connotation and blew up at them -- all of which we would have regretted later. The key here is that looking back on a serious tournament, you don't want stuff like this to be the headline and to influence the tournament -- which is exactly what is happening here. I don't see how that's impressive or admirable at all.
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On August 10 2009 03:56 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2009 03:03 jeremycafe wrote:
They were both idiots in this situation. Idra was using his same style of comments by requesting inc to leave, whats new. I had a lot of respect for you before this, inc. You acted worse than Idra does. But what surprises me is that the managers over at CJ don't ever react to the way Idra represents their team. I am shocked he hasn't been given the boot for this behavior. I don't think he started this argument, but the last comment is just pathetic...
Incontrol, wtf? Who cares if it is "your" tournament. Why use that fallback to explain yourself acting liking a child on a power trip? I love your "don't do a power struggle" when you were the one clearly on the power trip in that log. He simply asked you to leave over and over again when you kept running YOUR mouth. kind of agree, Idra acted in his usual manner, inc not only went down to his level, but much lower.admins shouldn't behave like this, and say whatever you want, but in this situation, Idra isn't the one to blame imo. but then theres "its his tourney and rules" argument, which is strong, but i see it as ~either lick up to inc and be treated nice, or if you dont like/have grudge against him, add "please mr admin" at the end of every request and pray that he wont find it ironical.
Nice try with those exaggerations. Idra is probably the biggest douchebag in korea right now. If his "usual manner" is being a giant cockgobbler then maybe he should change his "usual manner".
Now this is a finals worth watching.
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I'm glade I did not watch this tournament. It's obviously not too serious. 2 egos the size of the empire state building in 1 game now that is priceless.
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On August 10 2009 04:26 -StrifeX- wrote:
I'm glade I did not watch this tournament. It's obviously not too serious. 2 egos the size of the empire state building in 1 game now that is priceless.
Don't be blinded by the drama, there were some nice games in the tourney as well. And, for the most part, impeccable manner. Props to Dinot for instance for the Desti game conversation :-)
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On August 09 2009 11:27 Sadistx wrote:Good to know the admin is a power tripper douche that cares more about his ego than the quality of games. I guess Greg was right when he called you terrible. If I'm missing the context with this, please enlighten me, but that's how you come off with these segments and your decision. lol at using the money as pulling rank, afaik it's not even your money but some benefactor's.
Wow that is appalling behavior. I always thought Incontrol was a bit of an asshole, this just proves it.
The guy is playing a game and you get pissy about how he says leave?!
Get the fuck over yourself.
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We need to replay that game immediately for this tournament to retain any form of respect.
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I have no respect for Idra whatsoever. I agree with hotbid in the sense that both parties acted unprofessionally, but at the same time it was incontrol's tournament. He didn't run it as professionally as he could have but it's still HIS TOURNAMENT.
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On August 10 2009 04:01 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2009 03:56 Itachii wrote:On August 10 2009 03:03 jeremycafe wrote:
They were both idiots in this situation. Idra was using his same style of comments by requesting inc to leave, whats new. I had a lot of respect for you before this, inc. You acted worse than Idra does. But what surprises me is that the managers over at CJ don't ever react to the way Idra represents their team. I am shocked he hasn't been given the boot for this behavior. I don't think he started this argument, but the last comment is just pathetic...
Incontrol, wtf? Who cares if it is "your" tournament. Why use that fallback to explain yourself acting liking a child on a power trip? I love your "don't do a power struggle" when you were the one clearly on the power trip in that log. He simply asked you to leave over and over again when you kept running YOUR mouth. kind of agree, Idra acted in his usual manner, inc not only went down to his level, but much lower.admins shouldn't behave like this, and say whatever you want, but in this situation, Idra isn't the one to blame imo. but then theres "its his tourney and rules" argument, which is strong, but i see it as ~either lick up to inc and be treated nice, or if you dont like/have grudge against him, add "please mr admin" at the end of every request and pray that he wont find it ironical. Nice try with those exaggerations. Idra is probably the biggest douchebag in korea right now. If his "usual manner" is being a giant cockgobbler then maybe he should change his "usual manner". Now this is a finals worth watching.
i think you missed my point, or just wanted to quote someone and type "idra,douchebag" in the same sentence.
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