EPTIt's over. The series is done. IdrA won't be banned from future stuff (afaik) and I will probably chew out a nerd who acts like a fool in the future.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
It's over. The series is done. IdrA won't be banned from future stuff (afaik) and I will probably chew out a nerd who acts like a fool in the future. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On August 11 2009 18:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: groro / oneother have this spot on. It's over. The series is done. IdrA won't be banned from future stuff (afaik) and I will probably chew out a nerd who acts like a fool in the future. Except you'll never be trusted to run tournaments again. | ||
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User11
Canada481 Posts
On August 11 2009 18:27 Klive5ive wrote: Except you'll never be trusted to run tournaments again. O_O not very wise .... | ||
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Tyraz
New Zealand310 Posts
There isn't really any stated protocol or action that the admin could have taken if a minor or unmentioned offence takes place. And that seems to be where the problem is. There really is no middle ground between ignoring and kicking. What I suggest is a Three strikes and your out policy for minor warnings that last for the entire duration of the torny. This would cover anything the admin deems to be inappropriate that isn't explicitly stated in the rules. That way an admin can still take action against a player, and the action has real consequences for the player without making it personal. This lack of an explicitly defined action or protocol is what left incontrol with very limited choices in terms of how he could respond. Idra wasn't doing anything that was explicitly stated he couldn't do (which means he couldn't be booted there and then), but he was doing something that the admin obviously deemed inappropriate. Therefore this led incontrol to GIVE him the consequence/warning in writing rather than in the form of a formal warning (that, currently, has no formal limits on how many of these warnings you could have). To avoid this in the future, I suggest a tournament-long (as in three strikes for the whole tournament) three strikes and your out policy for minor and/or unstated offences. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9108 Posts
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iNcontroL
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Mongery
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
He is so helpless when zergs ( F91, Dinot, ...) make more than 6 lings at start and he is always trash talking his opponent and never says gg. Anyway i'm happy for Ra and Dinot. Go Ra ! | ||
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Postaljester
United States128 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On August 12 2009 06:11 Postaljester wrote: why do the non korean tournies use such bad maps? that is the only thing that keeps me from getting into them Desti / Colosseum / Gods Garden / HbR are fairly recent Korean maps. I don't know what you expect ... Yea there is also LT but it is a special map :p Edit: and forte and gowon. 4/7 are recent maps. | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
No need to talk about Idra's behavior coz it's just pure BM and trashtalk, but the thing that bugged me the most was when he forbid Lz to stream games (becouse streamers lags games? or w/e). Thank you Lz for the effort and other games/replays that were actually casted.  | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On August 11 2009 17:37 groro wrote: isolated i wanted to say that many of the problems and drama in the end results somehow in the way idra handles losing and when things doesnt go the way he wants to. so the question is how people handle it. should all his evironment just adapt to HIM and just tolerate it? will this bring him forward in his life? should they set rules in every tournament that punish it right of the bat? imo in comparsion of a parent-child relationships, parents who just tolerate everything are same as worse as parents who just critize everything without a little bit of approval. you need to set fillips to make it attrative to strive for positive things and fillips to make negative things more avoidable. the early you learn it, the easier you can handle it in the future and as older you get the more your personality gets cemented. so i think people who tolerate everything from idra arent doing him a favour either. then everytime there will be also people that jump on the bandwagon, use it to take revenge on him with the intention to put him down anyways. in the valor tournament where superdanielman turned into superrageman the way he attacked him was not appropriate but after that idra had atleast a much bigger fillip to act professional and said gg and left it to that even in games where he lost when i remember correctly. i dont like when people force someone to be something which he isnt. like oh you are more a silent person that doesnt fit for me to my image of what has the most starquality and what not. be like this and that so i can praise you even more. manners and to learn to interact positive with other people from your environment however is for me a complete different subject. but everybody close to idra and every admin must judge for themselves with what they do in the long run him and the community a bigger favour. note: sorry if use words that are usally used in a different context. but i still must look from time to time in a online dictionary to express myself in an english forum. +1, well said I was gonna write something just like this. but now I do not have to. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9108 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Congrats to Dinot for beating a progamer! | ||
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United States1401 Posts
I'm going back to the salt 'n' vinegar chips thread | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ling power?!?!?!? it was fun to watch. | ||
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rextyrann
Germany41 Posts
i dont get why pple are discussing that much although the whole situation is over already. instead of bashing one another they should work on finding a solution how stuff like that can be dealt with in a more appropriate way in the future. my 2cents about this wole incident: about incontrol) surely he acted childish, but saying that he shouldve acted in a better way or trashing him with the argument he didnt do his work as an admin is just totally illogical. he ruled it out that its not a professional tournament. he ruled it out that he is "god". so whatever he does -> its correct. its that easy. if pple have a problem with that just dont ever join a tournament hosted by him again. simple isnt it? about idra) well he is a player in a tournament, but not just any player. he represents a korean proteam and on top of that he should know how a normal civilized human beeing should behave in a business/professional environment (we are not playing a ghetto tournament). and dont argue about that hes playing in his freetime blabla. hes always part of the team. doesnt matter where and when. i expect of someone of that calibre to have at least BASIC social behavior/manner. that means no BS no BMing no naming and spilling stuff which just plainly doesnt belong into professional language usage ( meaning F* S* etc words). players have to follow and act according to rules admins set. thats how tournament work. thats how sports in general is organized. dont like it? then go change the world... about the situation: lets start with an example in another field, soccer for instance. a referee in soccer is "nonexistent" he is with the players all the time. running with them and supposed to not stand in the way.however if a ball gets blocked or interfered by a referee in any kind its supposed to be ignored. lets assume a player would start bad mouthing the referee cuz he did actually blocked/interfered with a ball. the referee would usually just penelize the team of the player by giving the ball to the other team or penelizing the player with fouldcard or DQing him from the game. THATs how stuff like that is dealt with in a professional world wide sport organization. now lets compare that to the situation at hand. 1. inc is admin/referee. the game laggs cuz of him -> hes interfering. even if hed promised or is supposed to leave the game cuz it laggs. he doesnt HAVE to. a lagging game isnt a disadvantage for 1 certain player normally. I REPEAT LAGG AFFECTS BOTH PLAYERS. 2. going deeper in broodwar specifics: lagg usually is a disadvantage for Z in TvZ. and on top of that we never see dinot asking admin to leave cuz of lagg. so i doubt that there was a strong lagg or mebbe not even an internet lagg at all. 3. idra start telling admin to leave and a discussion breaks out. why doesnt he pause the game? why are players allowed to type/discuss ingame anyway? compared to the example above its the situation where a player starts complaining to a referee. the difference is that in the example they actually might have a disadvantage in a match. in the broodwar game which happened there was not even the slightest hint of that which is stated in point 2. 4. inc starts to bm back and situation unfolds as known. well its not well handled of inc by my standards. but as said in the paragraph about inc its his good RIGHT to do so since hes stated it from the start. compared to the example of soccer i even consider his reaction to penalize idra in that way quite "nice" and also too light. so to break it down: if people really are the opinion that inc influenced the game by his acting and that shouldnt be done they are just plainly wrong. stuff like this happens all the time in big professional sports associations. players get angry get dealt and penalized by referees and still keep on playing. and those are even professional set rules of actions. on top of that idra behaved unprofessionally for a person of his position and im repeating once again inc did make clear under which circumstances the tournament rules are held. PS: i still dont get why idra is allowed to play in foreign leagues/tournaments. i dont think the other korean progamers are allowed to. if they would be all the less succesful progamers and B-teamers would totally own the nonkorean leagues/tourneys. idra is getting once again an "extra" which really isnt justified by any standards. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
On August 12 2009 07:14 IceCube wrote: There were some great games indeed. No need to talk about Idra's behavior coz it's just pure BM and trashtalk, but the thing that bugged me the most was when he forbid Lz to stream games (becouse streamers lags games? or w/e). Thank you Lz for the effort and other games/replays that were actually casted. it bugs you that people dont want to play in lag? | ||
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Glider
United States1353 Posts
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