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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 10 2009 06:50 Itachii wrote: maybe in british criquet, or i seriously hope he was joking. I'm not sure about Polish sports(assuming you're from there), but what Kwark says applies to American sports as well. Cuss out the ref and you get thrown out of the game. It makes no sense otherwise. If players do not need to show respect for the referees, then rules will never be followed. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
Idra lost. If you look at the replays, he lost. Lag or not, he just lost. So Inc and Idra BMed each other... this would only continue to be an issue if Idra won and they had to deal with each other in this context for one more match, but Idra lost. So that's that, right? | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On August 10 2009 12:32 Klogon wrote: Why are there pages and pages discussing this? Idra lost. If you look at the replays, he lost. Lag or not, he just lost. So Inc and Idra BMed each other... this would only continue to be an issue if Idra won and they had to deal with each other in this context for one more match, but Idra lost. So that's that, right? It's complicated by the Tau Cross thing and that (in my opinion) idra's scout would have stayed alive longer if incontrol hadn't been reacting instead of leaving. If Idra's scout had stayed alive Dinot wouldn't have gotten the 1 million zerglings that he did. In my opinion the game shouldn't have counted but on the other hand Idra can't keep doing this every time he loses a game. And at any rate, it's not my tournament, it's not my decision. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On August 10 2009 12:32 Klogon wrote: Why are there pages and pages discussing this? Idra lost. If you look at the replays, he lost. Lag or not, he just lost. So Inc and Idra BMed each other... this would only continue to be an issue if Idra won and they had to deal with each other in this context for one more match, but Idra lost. So that's that, right? because it's an issue with the administration? O__O;; people are still talking about Tom Donaghey... he just bet on NBA games, he may or may not have actually rigged the outcomes.. so why do we talk about it? do you seriously have to ask that question ;p | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On August 10 2009 12:32 Klogon wrote: Why are there pages and pages discussing this? Idra lost. If you look at the replays, he lost. Lag or not, he just lost. So Inc and Idra BMed each other... this would only continue to be an issue if Idra won and they had to deal with each other in this context for one more match, but Idra lost. So that's that, right? They're talking about it because one of the games could/should be replayed because it was played on a map that isn't in the map pool. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Nobody has said that until you just did. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On August 10 2009 17:05 Iplaythings wrote: Uh, I know it's kinda off topic but what does BM mean ? In the midst of all the drama, that's the most precious comment I think I've seen... stay innocent my friend. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10846 Posts
The first few lines i would say Idra did nothing that was worth any further action (but i don't know what happened before that game). After that Idra quickly made sure that he deserved a penalty... | ||
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Hadrian
50 Posts
On August 10 2009 18:26 Velr wrote: "k, get out" is an insult? ... ... The first few lines i would say Idra did nothing that was worth any further action (but i don't know what happened before that game). After that Idra quickly made sure that he deserved a penalty... No, calling Incontrol a "terrible admin" was. Incontrol already implied that he would leave by telling Dinot to save the rep. If Idra had not responded with the terrible admin comment, everything would have been golden. But since he did... Inc just pissed Idra off a bit further, which I think is totally fine. It was Idra's choice to participate in the tourney. | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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kAra
Germany1392 Posts
no need to argue | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 10 2009 19:49 Hadrian wrote: No, calling Incontrol a "terrible admin" was. Incontrol already implied that he would leave by telling Dinot to save the rep. If Idra had not responded with the terrible admin comment, everything would have been golden. But since he did... Inc just pissed Idra off a bit further, which I think is totally fine. It was Idra's choice to participate in the tourney. actually he said 'dinot save reps when you win' before i made any comment besides 'k get out' | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Yes, incontrol is running a great tourney. yes, Idra is a bad mannered player (person?). But these facts should be considered irrelevant to this situation, and when the incident is isolated as such it's clear Incontrol failed as an admin. What Idra said -- "k get out" -- is nothing beyond the realm of normalcy in American internet chat. To get pissed over that and imply that Idra's tone was not deferential enough is just stupid. The tourney is great the prize is great the players are great and all tourneys have fail incidents whether korean american pro or amateur. but make no mistake, this is a fail incident. | ||
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
On August 10 2009 21:02 IdrA wrote: actually he said 'dinot save reps when you win' before i made any comment besides 'k get out' Exactly, IdrA was not in the wrong until Incontrol started crap in THAT chat log. Who knows what happened outside of the game before the match, but with this log alone, incontrol had to let his e-peen skills take over and make a completely inappropriate comment like that. That comment alone made him a terrible admin, just as IdrA stated. Incontrol, man up and take responsibility. No one is asking for you to change the results, simply take responsibility and stop trying to make reasons for why you were not wrong with your behavior. You know you acted like an idiot in that game. | ||
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
there is a difference between kespa run tournament and this tournament. Professionalism and outward imge. Inc stated right from the beginning that this was not a professional tournament, was not going to be run in a fair and professional way but it was gonna be run HIS way. It's pretty clear in the rules. Kespa on the other hand does everything to act professional. Then it becomes unacceptable when they are not. That's the difference. If you look at the rule set and compare GG.net and TL.net you will see the same difference. GG.net strives for fairness and professionalism in every aspect, TL.net says clearly "this is our site, we don't care about being fair because we OWN this place". Does that make TL.net a bad site or worse than GG.net? Not in any way. That's the same thing with highlander tournament, and other tournaments (such as kespa run stuff, wgtcl or whatever). As long as you stay true to the ruleset or the impression you intentionally gave from the beginning, it's np. Every player knew before they signed up that this was Inc's tournament, and it was going to run his way. If this was something that was not okay with them, than that's all okay (and from a point fully understandable) for everyone. Just don't sign up then. If you do sign up however, make sure you treat inc well, be it fair or not, because you know as long as you play his tournament he is god. As stated in the rules. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On August 10 2009 21:55 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: d_so, there is a difference between kespa run tournament and this tournament. Professionalism and outward imge. Inc stated right from the beginning that this was not a professional tournament, was not going to be run in a fair and professional way but it was gonna be run HIS way. It's pretty clear in the rules. Kespa on the other hand does everything to act professional. Then it becomes unacceptable when they are not. That's the difference. If you look at the rule set and compare GG.net and TL.net you will see the same difference. GG.net strives for fairness and professionalism in every aspect, TL.net says clearly "this is our site, we don't care about being fair because we OWN this place". Does that make TL.net a bad site or worse than GG.net? Not in any way. That's the same thing with highlander tournament, and other tournaments (such as kespa run stuff, wgtcl or whatever). As long as you stay true to the ruleset or the impression you intentionally gave from the beginning, it's np. Every player knew before they signed up that this was Inc's tournament, and it was going to run his way. If this was something that was not okay with them, than that's all okay (and from a point fully understandable) for everyone. Just don't sign up then. If you do sign up however, make sure you treat inc well, be it fair or not, because you know as long as you play his tournament he is god. As stated in the rules. look just cuz the rules allow for abuse doesn't mean doing so is right. (like baseball not restricting steroids back in the day.) what could idra have done differently to avoid this abuse? or more importantly, what did he do wrong? he typed three words: k get out. what should have done? been more respectful? Was what he said even disrespectful? Should he have typed in full sentences? should he have addressed him as sir? it's all subjective yo and that's why this incident is fail on the part of incontrol. as much props/credit incontrol deserves for running the tourney and getting the prize money, when the games are being played the admin should do his best to be impartial, if not invisible, unless there is a clear breach of the rules. as i said before all tourneys have such incidents of poor administrative decision-making and this tourney is not immune. this incident is one of those | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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