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On August 09 2009 16:43 groro wrote:
When you run a tournament and its your money and time invested in it, then you usually could expect some level of respect. In this you are the alpha male. Its your own goodwill if you want to provide a high quality environment of games at any cause but not obligate and that doesnt turn you into a servant of the players.
If you talk big-headed to an admin then you can't rely on your own idea of the utopia of good and objective admins that still react accordingly in your mind. Even if you got a legitimate point of criticism learn to express yourself while still remaining some level of respect without insulting and beeing cocky.
Sure IdrA is bm 99% of the time but I think his original request of 'k get out' wasn't something that Incontrol should have gotten uppity about. It was hardly rude at all especially given the fact that they had worked out that he would leave if he was lagging. And considering that this was a semi-final game, the tournament seems tainted to me now.
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Inc that was out of line, so what if your the admin, if your lagging just leave man
and in the middle of the game aswell
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Feel sorry for Idra in this situation. Anyway, hope for more epic, outrageous, S-class BM in the future. Regarding "maturity" of Incontrol's decision -- how the hell not keeping promise is mature? Warning to Idra, even banning him right away are all ok (indeed, it's a private tournament), but not leaving the game is childish.
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On August 09 2009 17:19 Mazer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 16:43 groro wrote:
When you run a tournament and its your money and time invested in it, then you usually could expect some level of respect. In this you are the alpha male. Its your own goodwill if you want to provide a high quality environment of games at any cause but not obligate and that doesnt turn you into a servant of the players.
If you talk big-headed to an admin then you can't rely on your own idea of the utopia of good and objective admins that still react accordingly in your mind. Even if you got a legitimate point of criticism learn to express yourself while still remaining some level of respect without insulting and beeing cocky. Sure IdrA is bm 99% of the time but I think his original request of 'k get out' wasn't something that Incontrol should have gotten uppity about. It was hardly rude at all especially given the fact that they had worked out that he would leave if he was lagging. And considering that this was a semi-final game, the tournament seems tainted to me now.
But it was:
Idra: "K get out"
Inc doing some commentaries and talking "save rep after you win dinot" "gl" which obviously meant that he was going to leave but then idra behaves like little child that cant leave conversation just to make everyone happy but has to have his final flaming word and goes "if you werent terrible admin bla bla bla" which is "something Incontrol should have gotten uppity about" and it WAS rude. I'm quite sure most of you can recall similar situations from your life (most of the time w/ your parents) when you couldnt shut up even though conversation was over - yes it was called Adolescence and happened while you were young and stupid 12-14 year old teenager.
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White-Ra FTW 
Thanks Plexa, it's very great news.
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On August 09 2009 17:39 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 17:19 Mazer wrote:On August 09 2009 16:43 groro wrote:
When you run a tournament and its your money and time invested in it, then you usually could expect some level of respect. In this you are the alpha male. Its your own goodwill if you want to provide a high quality environment of games at any cause but not obligate and that doesnt turn you into a servant of the players.
If you talk big-headed to an admin then you can't rely on your own idea of the utopia of good and objective admins that still react accordingly in your mind. Even if you got a legitimate point of criticism learn to express yourself while still remaining some level of respect without insulting and beeing cocky. Sure IdrA is bm 99% of the time but I think his original request of 'k get out' wasn't something that Incontrol should have gotten uppity about. It was hardly rude at all especially given the fact that they had worked out that he would leave if he was lagging. And considering that this was a semi-final game, the tournament seems tainted to me now. But it was: Idra: "K get out" Inc doing some commentaries and talking "save rep after you win dinot" "gl" which obviously meant that he was going to leave but then idra behaves like little child that cant leave conversation just to make everyone happy but has to have his final flaming word and goes "if you werent terrible admin bla bla bla" which is "something Incontrol should have gotten uppity about" and it WAS rude. I'm quite sure most of you can recall similar situations from your life (most of the time w/ your parents) when you couldnt shut up even though conversation was over - yes it was called Adolescence and happened while you were young and stupid 12-14 year old teenager.
Incontrol didn't say 'save rep after you win dinot' for a good 30-40 seconds after idra asked him to leave. And Idra's first somewhat dickhead comment came at pretty much the exact same time Incontrol said that line (first time it sounded like he was actually gonna leave) so you can't really fault Idra for that. At that point, Inc should have been long gone. After that Incontrol really didn't show any class in sticking around like he did.
You're also ignoring the fact that Incontrol started most of the shit with 'greg pretend I have a huge/ego pride' which was totally uncalled for given that Incontrol had agreed to leave if he was causing any lag prior to the game. I honestly hope no one was expecting Idra to say 'pretty please leave the game' in that situation.
It just seems as though Incontrol wanted a confrontation with Idra and he did it in a pretty piss-poor manner. I'm not excusing IdrA for being a dick in other games here by any means, it's just he did get shafted hard here.
And as far as the games go, Idra really needs to learn how to play non-standard opponents. 3 all-in ling defeats is pretty harsh (granted the game on Tau shouldn't be taken seriously).
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Regarding "maturity" of Incontrol's decision -- how the hell not keeping promise is mature? Warning to Idra, even banning him right away are all ok (indeed, it's a private tournament), but not leaving the game is childish.
First of all I found his overall behavior and decision making in this tournament mature, not just in this instance. Secondly I found this reaction to be extremely mild in comparison to other admins and individuals in positions of power in similar situations.
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haha Idra lost!! somehow that just makes me feel good^^
Edit: From the comments so far its my impression that Inc is the "money man" as well as the "owner" of the tour. In that case, what idra did is like bad mouthing his boss in front of everybody at work. What im saying is that he would have been fired on the spot if this was in a work related situation. My point being that u dont fuck with the guy who signs ur paycheck.
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On August 09 2009 18:00 Diggity wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding "maturity" of Incontrol's decision -- how the hell not keeping promise is mature? Warning to Idra, even banning him right away are all ok (indeed, it's a private tournament), but not leaving the game is childish. First of all I found his overall behavior and decision making in this tournament mature, not just in this instance. Secondly I found this reaction to be extremely mild in comparison to other admins and individuals in positions of power in similar situations.
Were you on Lz gamer's stream? I find the fact that a tourney admin is chuckling in advance because of the drama he knows is gonna ensue if they taunt him a bit after he loses is not "extremely mature" (or a more suitable word: "professional").
Note that I'm only talking about yesterday's issue. Apart from that this seems to be a well-run tourney, overall behavior professional and an interesting one as well, so props for that to Incontrol.
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I think this all happened on the internet... the way things tend to happen on the internet :D I love it.
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Hm, I agree with Mazer here. If you know someone's got a very bad temper, considering the fact that he's pressured (involved in a game), disregard him wanting you to leave (doesn't matter if he says "pretty please" or "get out", the latter is more direct, but not bm considering he's got other things to do than type out pleas) - when you're clearly affecting the game both by lag and chat... that's pretty poor judgment. If you don't want bm, make it mandatory to save reps, see to it that bm is being punished according to rules set *before* the tourney starts and every player has agreed to the rules, and you can judge afterwards.
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You know idrA should have just paused and said "it's lagging can we not have obs please, it's really annoying", instead of the I-am-in-CJ-with-saviOr-so-cool-am-i attitude comment of "k get out".
Incontrol could have then told him that it's important to have stream and would have discussed this better. Really so simple. But it begins with idrA, saying lag is messing up your manners and attitude and therefore the admin should get out etc is not the way a professional player is to conduct himself.
I think both idra and inc went overboard a bit, but hey WHITE-RA mah man's in the finals woohoo. Great games so far, I really enjoyed even the JF vs Inc series, great action. Thanks for the great tourney so far.
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On August 09 2009 14:23 Chill wrote:
Yes, in fact I think that is incredibly unfair. As a tournament organizer, your role is to be a seemless administrator who ensures the results are as they should be. To take any action to affect the results (be it lag, or even sending him on tilt) like this is ridiculous. Further, the fact that you see nothing wrong with it is a little more worrisome. Even further, I can't believe that everyone feels that IdrA deserved this based on the chat logs.
What I am taking from this is, if someone starts throwing tantrums and BMing the tournament admins, just DQ them right there. (That's the very _least_ that would be done in a non-e-sport venue. If you were really bad, or did it more than once, you'd probably be banned from future tournaments. In any of the martial arts your sensei would make sure you got the stuffing kicked out of you, too.)
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lol I still don´t get why Idra is still allowed in tournaments, let alone INVITE tournaments hahaha
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"Plexa and I are God.."
From the Highlander rules.
As Inc said, this is his tournament. And he runs it his own way. He never said that it would be run in the most professional manner possible, he even said he was an amatuer tournament organiser.
The way I see it this tournament is run on the same foundations as this site: It's my site/tournament, you are my guest. You follow my word. Therefore I find it funny TL.net admins critisising Inc for this.
Is it fair? No. Is it anything wrong with it? No, not if you don't go out and try to give the impression of anything else. Every player who signed up knew this beforehand, and if they didn't it's their fault for not informing themselves.
And if you don't act like ass, you won't get treated like one. If Idra had just acted decently it would have been no problem. Perhaps you think that Inc acted out of proportion against Idra or something. Look at it this way instead: How much effort would it take from Idra's side to just act decently or at the very least just shut up? He's choosing to behave like an ass, and there is nothing in the world that is forcing him to.
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On August 09 2009 22:01 expostfacto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 14:23 Chill wrote:
Yes, in fact I think that is incredibly unfair. As a tournament organizer, your role is to be a seemless administrator who ensures the results are as they should be. To take any action to affect the results (be it lag, or even sending him on tilt) like this is ridiculous. Further, the fact that you see nothing wrong with it is a little more worrisome. Even further, I can't believe that everyone feels that IdrA deserved this based on the chat logs. What I am taking from this is, if someone starts throwing tantrums and BMing the tournament admins, just DQ them right there. (That's the very _least_ that would be done in a non-e-sport venue. If you were really bad, or did it more than once, you'd probably be banned from future tournaments. In any of the martial arts your sensei would make sure you got the stuffing kicked out of you, too.)
So say in soccer if the ref goes and picks up the ball and the players complain that he interfered then they should be kicked out?
its perfectly clear that if inc was interfering with the games he should have left and that he is in the wrong here
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On August 09 2009 22:27 Twisted wrote:
lol I still don´t get why Idra is still allowed in tournaments, let alone INVITE tournaments hahaha
nvm
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