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On August 09 2009 12:30 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 11:27 Sadistx wrote:Good to know the admin is a power tripper douche that cares more about his ego than the quality of games. I guess Greg was right when he called you terrible. If I'm missing the context with this, please enlighten me, but that's how you come off with these segments and your decision. lol at using the money as pulling rank, afaik it's not even your money but some benefactor's. That wasn't biased in the slightest. "Greg" starts trashtalking, so the admin starts being an asshole - that's how the world works.
Trash talking?
People are obviously going to get another when the admin (lol..) doesn't leave when he's lagging, especially when there's a big prize involved.. Observers leave when they lag, that's how obs'ing StarCraft works. He left shortly afterward, but wtf's the point in just taunting him
On the bright side, to me this has been the only thing in the tournament worth commenting on (although I guess my fav Zergs getting knocked out early had something to do with this :p)
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On August 09 2009 10:02 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Wait.... he seriously called Dinot a 'faggot'?
Like.. is the copy-pasted or paraphrased?
I dont really get why the Tau Cross game wouldnt count. Is it because of the lag or just the map overall? If it was in the map pool I'm confused as to why it would be a big deal.
That aside, incontrol you are a total fuckin beast. You make me glad I live in Oregon. Keep up your badassery please.
Good luck to IdrA though, he is a strong player and hopefully I get to see him at Blizzcon.
EDIT: Oh I read the post wrong the first time, I see you said 'unofficial' my bad. I can see why you came to the decision you did though.
I think he only called incontrol a faggot.
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I'm a bit surprised that Dinot won, gonna watch the replays asap.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
listen people I make a big ass post in the other thread about this (tourney section) but it basically comes down to this: IdrA is an asshole about stuff and in other tourneys he'd get penalized/removed etc for talking to the admin that way. I "penalized" him by staying for another minute and telling him I wouldn't bow to his BS. If that seems unfair to you guys too damn bad.
I left before any kind of battle happened and it wasn't like the lag was horrendous, just a lil lag that makes things uncomfortable. I said I'd leave and I was going to but he kept mouthing off.
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Calgary26004 Posts
Yes, in fact I think that is incredibly unfair. As a tournament organizer, your role is to be a seemless administrator who ensures the results are as they should be. To take any action to affect the results (be it lag, or even sending him on tilt) like this is ridiculous. Further, the fact that you see nothing wrong with it is a little more worrisome. Even further, I can't believe that everyone feels that IdrA deserved this based on the chat logs.
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GL to both players and props to Lz for the stream 
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2009 14:23 Chill wrote:
Yes, in fact I think that is incredibly unfair. As a tournament organizer, your role is to be a seemless administrator who ensures the results are as they should be. To take any action to affect the results (be it lag, or even sending him on tilt) like this is ridiculous. Further, the fact that you see nothing wrong with it is a little more worrisome. Even further, I can't believe that everyone feels that IdrA deserved this based on the chat logs.
If he spoke to you half the way he did to me you'd have banned him and removed him from the tourney. Don't for one second get all high and mighty on me.. the admins of TSL had gripes with players at various times and that could have impacted the "emotional state" or w/e of the players but the world doesn't work that way. You don't handle children in adult bodies with silk mittens when they act like children. Sure I probably should have been more mature and just penalized him a game or w/o'd him but I wanted him to play.. emotionally unsound or not.
There was more discussion going on then the chat logs Chill. Educate yourself before you start taking a side.
And I said from the very fucking beginning that this wasn't going to be a professional tourney with pages of rules and formal discussions and shit. I said that this is a tourney to cap off the life of BW and I later explained that that means any stupid shit will be dealt with in a like fashion.
This has always been my tourney and this has always been the way I have ran it. You didn't seem to mind when players were no-showing and BM'ing me on MSN because I didn't change the times for them individually.. no.. because you didn't know. You don't seem to care that IdrA has been a dick this entire time and probably got put on "tilt" not by my discussion but by his own stupid play. Gimme a break.. if a pro gamer cannot overcome a 1 minute discussion with a tourney admin he is acting like a fag to he has no business being a pro.
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Calgary26004 Posts
No, Incontrol, I would never ban someone for how they talked to me. Because I always argue for an objective ruleset so there's no arbitrary decisions. Once you base things on BM, you've opened a huge can of worms and given up all objectivity that you held for your tournament.
I'm not saying you should avoid interfering with the tournament at all costs, because it's impossible to be 100% transparent when you're involved in dealing with the players and making game-changing decisions. However, the effect you have should be a side-effect. For example, you staying in the game is for no "greater good" that simply being a dick to IdrA. That should be dealt with outside of the game.
I don't need to educate myself because I don't care what happened outside of the game. I see you interfering with your own tournament in the game, and now saying you're justified in it. I'm just saying that's a really bad opinion to have when you're a tournament admin. Whatever happened before doesn't matter because he is playing and you are not. It's your job to cater to him in this situation, not the other way around. If you don't care about that, then just come out and say that you don't care and you want to be able to interfere with the results of your tournament, but don't try to say that the ideal situation is the administrator interfering with games and try to justify that.
I care because this is on the TL front page, so obviously there's some spillover. If it was you posting threads in the Brood War forum then I'd have no business offering my opinion. Even now I really don't have any business, but the affiliation with us means it should have some semblance of a competitive tournament. I think it's a copout to just say "It's not a professional tournament, I can do what I want." There's expectations when people signup for a tournament like this, and one of them is that they're going to be allowed to play in a fair, competitive environment. I mean if you started messaging your friends what their opponent was doing and then cited "my tournament", while you would be correct, there would still be a feeling that something wrong happened. And that's the same feeling here.
And yes, indeed, I didn't mind when something happened that I wasn't aware of. We're not here to infer into what the requirements of a player's mind are to be in your tourney; we're discussing whether your actions were justified at all, which they weren't. So it's not a big deal, I wish you would just say you fucked up and move on instead of trying to justify your effect on the games.
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But it was a joke guys! Idra was just joking! Here, let me copy/paste what Hot_Bid said about something like this before.
+ Show Spoiler +Link--->On August 07 2009 03:35 Hot_Bid wrote:calm the fuck down, your reactions are why video game communities get so much crap and are viewed with such stigma, there's no need to get butthurt insecure over a 1 liner offhand joke by someone, jesus. have you ever made fun of friends or done good natured trash talk before? ie basically every single healthy irl guy relationship involves a lot of giving and getting back (in terms of insults). lets not be sensitive nerds please.
See? Let's just be friends.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
This thread is now about SC2GG. Thanks Psy LOL.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation.
Blake says:
basically, instead of writing that novel
Blake says:
i shoudl ahve just said
Blake says:
it would be better if you didnt interfere
geoff says:
in a perfect world.. I say nothing. Leave.. let them play etc. But the fact is he was being a dick before today, before this game, during this game and well after.
Blake says:
nah i get it
geoff says:
I was OK with him getting a very small taste of his own medicine. I was about to leave anyways btw
geoff says:
and he just kept mouthing off
geoff says:
so I sit for 1 minute
Blake says:
but as tourney admin its your job
geoff says:
then leave anyways
Blake says:
for the sake of the tourne
Blake says:
to swallow your pride
geoff says:
I understand that 100%. But I think it is a 2 sided coin. This is MY tourney.. and I wouldn't want to look back and think "well at least the games were good." When people like Arew, IdrA etc.. continue to mouth off and act like children.
geoff says:
They deserve some shit. IdrA woulda gotten D/Q'd by ESL, TSL etc.. but because I am who I am he didn't. That isn't "fair" or "professional" but then again.. this entire tourney hasn't been.. invite isn't "fair" nor is a mappool selected by me etc etc.
geoff says:
We can go through countless aspects and find flaws. At the end of the day a jerk got treated poorly.. I can rest my hat on that this once.
Blake says:
lol
Blake says:
thats fair
We discussed it.. would rather not rewrite my response.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On August 09 2009 15:01 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Some SC2GG stuff.
Remember when you scouted a proxy fact and then died to 1 vulture? LOL
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damn, bratok didnt make it D:
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How did this transform into SC2GG? I was just stating that Idra was OBVIOUSLY joking and that you are all over-reacting. Let's all just kiss and make up.
To Chill:
+ Show Spoiler +Remember when Machine beat you with his Terran? Like 3 times? That was pretty lol too. On his stream no less. Good times. Good times. It's too bad his Terran is only like C+ he might actually be decent with it. But yeah. I lose alot. It's because I'm bad at StarCraft but at least I don't pretend I'm good at it.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
You are both terrible at starcraft and unqualified to cast it - WHAT YOU GONNA DO KIDS? HUHH?
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Calgary26004 Posts
Move to Korea to escape my problems?
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AWW SHIT. But enough. Let's get back on topic before I get banned for being off topic.
What's done is done. Upon seeing the map was the wrong map in that one situation, Idra should have asked for a remake on the correct map. Didn't happen for some reason but I wasn't there so I can't judge. In the case of the laggy game. I fully believe that Incontrol would have left the game in due course. Sometimes with a stream the beginning is alittle laggy but usually levels out later but if that wouldn't have been the case, I know he would have left. Both people lost their tempers and shit happened.
Everybody has 20/20 hindsight but the best thing to do is just accept it happened. Talk about it, find a common ground and hopefully work it out and move on. If not. You should all move on to more productive things like watching porn or something.
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Sweden33719 Posts
fight... Fight... FIGHT! FIGHT!!
(stealing this from archerofaiur)
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Remember when you scouted a proxy fact and then died to 1 vulture? LOL
Remember in theoretical physics when applications to renormalization groups exploded due to the canonization of the Standard Model?
More about renormalization groups here
On topic, sportsmanship and game play are so intertwined that they effect the spectator’s enjoyment of the tournament itself in my opinion. In other words a players behavior before, during, and after a game can dictate the level of enjoyment all parties (including spectators) derive from the tournament itself. Incontrol is obviously concerned about the quality of his tournament. He is also making a serious effort to make as many of the games available to spectators as possible. Therefore he must be concerned about the behavior of the players as well as the game play itself.
I am extremely impressed with Incontrol's decision making in this tournament, particularly his balance between quality of play and player behavior. It really shows a high level of maturity in my opinion.
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When you run a tournament and its your money and time invested in it, then you usually could expect some level of respect. In this you are the alpha male. Its your own goodwill if you want to provide a high quality environment of games at any cause but not obligate and that doesnt turn you into a servant of the players.
If you talk big-headed to an admin then you can't rely on your own idea of the utopia of good and objective admins that still react accordingly in your mind. Even if you got a legitimate point of criticism learn to express yourself while still remaining some level of respect without insulting and beeing cocky.
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