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[GOM] July Heat.

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[GOM] July Heat.

Text byTadzio
July 10th, 2009 15:48 GMT
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So it's that time of year again. The time of year when (Z)July puffs up, decides he's tired of losing to young ragamuffins and lets the world know that he's pretty sure he's still the "God of War." Last week, July patiently explained this fact to the relatively youthful and doe-eyed (T)sKyHigh. (T)Flash and (P)Shuttle also gave good performances, with game 1 being particularly competitive right until one of them said "GG." In case you missed them, here are your results:



Results
Quarterfinals - Day 1
(T)sKyHigh vs (Z)July
Game 1
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sKyHigh took his natural with a wall and teched for Valkyrie/MnM. July drone scouted and opened with 12 hatch, taking his gas before pool and following up with a 2 hatch muta opening. sKyHigh's Valkyrie prevented July from doing any damage with his muta and after sKyHigh built up a couple control groups of MnM and a some tanks, he contained July. Because July's hydralisk den placement was toward the front of his natural, sKyHigh was able to attack it with his tank range, this prompted a desperate and flankless attack from July. After the break out attempt failed, sKyHigh is able to end the game.
Game 2
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While July opened with a 9 pool speedling build, sKyHigh placed a barracks first in his natural, and attempted a bunkerrush. July pulled 5 drones to stop the rush, and was successful, losing only 1 drone in the process. July teched to two-hatch muta (with a few hydra to prevent vulture harass) while sKyHigh followed with two-port wraith. July's mutas effectively minimized the damage sKyHigh could do with wraith, so sKyHigh produced some dropships in order to place MnM and tanks to abuse Outsider's topography and damage July. July had teched drop as well, however, and was able to clean up each drop attempt fairly quickly. Still on one-base play, sKyHigh was eventually defeated when July dropped his main with mass hydra/lurk while preventing any expansion attempt by the CJ Terran.
Game 3
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sKyHigh walled in and teched toward mech while July drone scouted and opened with 12 pool speedling. Seeing an opportunity to slow July down some, sKyHigh half-built an engineering bay at July's natural. Using two drones to force a cancel, July placed his hatchery a little late. Careful to show sKyHigh's SCV only 4 zergling, July sends a dozen zerglings to sKyHigh's natural. July then used his overlord to spot sKyHigh's ramp and when he saw the barracks lift for the first vulture, July attacked, catching the vulture on its ramp with the barracks already back on the ground. With nowhere to run, the vulture dies. July backed off and teched to two hatch lurker while sKyHigh turtled, only briefly breaking the turtle to send out a second vulture which died nearly as quickly as the first one. With four lurkers, July marches up sKyHigh's ramp and forces his way into his base. Without detection, sKyHigh does his best to defend by getting a late scanner, but it takes so long to remove the spread lurkers that July gains an insurmountable advantage, which he patiently sat on until sKyHigh finally tried to move out. July crushed the attempt and sKyHigh finally concedes. In an anti-climatic game for a good series, July advances.

(T)Flash vs (P)Shuttle
Game 1
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In the suggested game of the week, Shuttle opened with a proxy gateway zealot rush which fizzled when Flash built a depot at his choke to block reinforcements. Despite the early set back, Shuttle quickly took a massive economic lead by overexpanding. At points during this match, Flash's population was over 80 supply below Shuttle's. Through heavy turtling, and with precise, razor-like strikes, Flash is able to deflate Shuttle's economy in the very late game and simply outlast Shuttle's fury.
Game 2
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In game 2 Shuttle opted for reaver harass, which Flash was fully prepared to deal with. In stark contrast to game 1, Flash shut down Shuttle's harass, macro'd up and pushed out-- simply rolling over his protoss opponent. Flash advances.
Game 3
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Game unnecessary.




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Upcoming
Quarterfinals - Day 2
July 12, PDT 02:00
(T)Berserker vs (P)Tempest
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)EffOrt


The first game of the night features what are GOM's weakest Quarterfinalists. Iris is an aging veteran who has left his prime behind, but he still clings to relevance with an aggressive style that often allows him to set the tempo for his games. Iris was 9-5 in the 2008-2009 Shinhan Bank Proleague until mid-May where he began a five game losing streak. Despite this recent string of losses, Iris is not in a slump, but merely playing exceptional vT players ((T)firebathero, (T)Flash, (T)Leta, (P)BeSt) while being past his prime. Although Iris has been losing proleague games, he's continued to show respectable results in both GOM and the Avalon MSL.

Here's some news that should make Iris fans happy: his quarterfinals opponent is Tempest, a wholly mediocre KT MagicNs protoss whom I'm convinced only made it this far because of a series of lucky draws ((P)GuemChi, (Z)Hul[Shield], and a slumping (Z)ZerO-- whose loss to Tempest seems to have lit a fire under him). Tempest is 5-10 in proleague and his most recent PvT was an embarassing 0-2 loss to (T)Casy in the OSL Preliminaries.

Though Iris and Tempest met back in January on Neo Harmony, and Tempest took the game with an aggressive DT rush into fast arbiters build, I don't expect Tempest to take this series. Iris is still in good enough shape to be the favorite here.

Next up: Zerg's reigning King, Jaedong versus its upstart Prince, EffOrt. I'm salivating just thinking about this series! If you're the type to speculate on how Jaedong/EffOrt's OSL group will turn out, this is definitely a series to watch. Jaedong's 80% ZvZ and 3-1 history vs EffOrt makes him the smart-money to liquibet, but don't count EffOrt out of GOM just yet. EffOrt may be 1-3 vs Jaedong, but he's 18-6 vs all other zergs-- the man knows how to ZvZ-- which means if Jaedong has an off-day he could easily find himself out of the tournament. Much more likely than that, though, Jaedong will not have an off-day and on the way toward eliminating EffOrt, we'll be priviledged to see quite possibly the most skilled ZvZ series that progaming has to offer. Thanks GOM!



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yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
July 10 2009 16:06 GMT
#2
July in July <3
nospeech
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 10 2009 16:09 GMT
#3
Oh god I'm super pumped for the Jaedong vs Effort. Rooting for Jaedong though because I'd love to see him at Blizzcon. He definitely deserves to win the extra money from there as well.

Jaedong fighting!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
July 10 2009 16:15 GMT
#4
EFFORT vs JEADONG WoooooooooooooooooooT !!!
n_n
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
July 10 2009 16:16 GMT
#5
Jaedong > Effort
Iris > Tempest
July > Flash

July vs Jaedong ! :p
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SlayerS_`HackeR`
Profile Joined November 2008
United States190 Posts
July 10 2009 16:19 GMT
#6
Just a note: it's "Valkyrie"

nice article
- i pwn n00bs -
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 10 2009 16:30 GMT
#7
Flash had better remember how to play TvZ...a loss to July would be pretty brutally embarrassing!
✌
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
July 10 2009 16:33 GMT
#8
Jd vs July O yeah baby... best finals evers =P
And its July so month > JD!
Both to the blizzcon!
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
July 10 2009 16:42 GMT
#9
On July 11 2009 01:16 PeAcY6969 wrote:
Jaedong > Effort
Iris > Tempest
July > Flash

July vs Jaedong ! :p

While I'd love to see July beating Flash, a July - JD finals would be nothing but a sad walkover.
BW fighting!
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
July 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#10
There's nothing I'd rather see than July raping Flash. Please make it happen July.
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MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
July 10 2009 17:04 GMT
#11
YES JULY! Please, PLEASE let this happen!
krazymunky
Profile Joined June 2008
United States727 Posts
July 10 2009 17:18 GMT
#12
July is imba during this month
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kaliax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States48 Posts
July 10 2009 17:22 GMT
#13
I'd much rather see July qualify over Flash.
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APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 17:23:40
July 10 2009 17:23 GMT
#14
Zerg's reigning King, Jaedong


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Picture courtesy of disciple.
Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
July 10 2009 17:24 GMT
#15
TUSHIN HWAITING!!! It's your month, you have to win this league.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 10 2009 17:36 GMT
#16
EFFORT > JAEDONG!!!

because im a CJ fan and because im so behind in liquibet effort might put me a little bit ahead
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
July 10 2009 17:42 GMT
#17
dream top 3 for Blizzcon: Flash, Jaedong, July. Will be rooting for those three. If it was Iris instead of July I wouldn't mind that much. I just don't want Effort or Tempest, they have no history!
blabberrrrr
Eg!
Profile Joined May 2008
Belgium49 Posts
July 10 2009 17:50 GMT
#18
Oh I'm so so nervous for the match against Effort! He is definitively the most scary opponent next to flash and bisu - I actually fear effort more than fantasy because zvz is so random (yeah, even though Jaedong somehow have proven us wrong there).

I love July, but still hope for another epic Jaedong vs Flash GOM finals! Oh my god i can't even describe the happiness felt when watching the last one :D
Made with balls (Draco 1st TSL finals interview)
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
July 10 2009 17:53 GMT
#19
Can't wait to see jaedong roll effort
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
July 10 2009 17:53 GMT
#20
Oh man. This is fucking killer.

I'm not sure who I want to see beat Flash more, July... Or Jaedong haha.
I wouldn't mind seeing Flash vs Effort either.
FUCKING GAY LAGS
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 10 2009 17:57 GMT
#21
July fighting!!!

July is going to roll flash like the little boy he is
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Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
July 10 2009 17:57 GMT
#22
Jaedong v Flash final rematch would be very enjoyable
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
July 10 2009 18:00 GMT
#23
On July 11 2009 02:57 Fontong wrote:
July fighting!!!

July is going to roll flash like the little boy he is



hells yeah! to bad flash doesn't stand a chance
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
patochaos
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina160 Posts
July 10 2009 18:40 GMT
#24
Go July go

viva peron
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
July 10 2009 18:52 GMT
#25
July has been playing nothing but ZvT since he first found out he was playing Skyhigh in the Ro8. I suspect he purposefully asked to not be on the PL roster so that he can fully concentrate on the GSL. July wants to win this.
Free Palestine
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
July 10 2009 18:53 GMT
#26
On July 11 2009 03:40 patochaos wrote:
Go July go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_X5Axq9RiI


love the title lol
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
July 10 2009 18:54 GMT
#27
I would really love to see a July Iris final, although I'm not incredibly optimistic...
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
July 10 2009 19:33 GMT
#28
On July 11 2009 01:30 JWD wrote:
Flash had better remember how to play TvZ...a loss to July would be pretty brutally embarrassing!



On July 11 2009 01:55 RaGe wrote:
There's nothing I'd rather see than July raping Flash. Please make it happen July.


I have to side with Rage here.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
July 10 2009 19:51 GMT
#29
I think SkyHigh's first game was a bit better than described in the OP.

His game-winning push was honestly one of the greatest examples of Terran push momentum I've seen to date. The execution was just perfect. As was mentioned, July did fail to flank the attack, but then, he wasn't given any chance to. Skyhigh's units just poured towards July's base like a waterfall.

Either way, July still walked all over him in the subsequent matches, but I think it's worth recognizing the potential and flair that SkyHigh showed in their first match.
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 20:05:49
July 10 2009 20:04 GMT
#30
Oh boy, July is getting my hopes up again. Usually, Flash should crush both July and my hopes, but I'm still cheering for the God of War!

God of War hwaiting!!!
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LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
July 10 2009 20:11 GMT
#31
Without these writeups I would have no idea what's going on in pro SC. Thanks for doing them!

July fighting!
Chains none
FaTe)SoL
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada110 Posts
July 10 2009 20:16 GMT
#32
July will roll over Flash. Literally.

After all, it's his month
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barbahaba0
Profile Joined January 2009
Israel226 Posts
July 10 2009 21:04 GMT
#33
is it a bo5
cause if it is
effort doesnt stand a chance
game over dude .... game over!!!!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
July 10 2009 21:07 GMT
#34
On July 11 2009 04:51 jtype wrote:
I think SkyHigh's first game was a bit better than described in the OP.

His game-winning push was honestly one of the greatest examples of Terran push momentum I've seen to date. The execution was just perfect. As was mentioned, July did fail to flank the attack, but then, he wasn't given any chance to. Skyhigh's units just poured towards July's base like a waterfall.

Either way, July still walked all over him in the subsequent matches, but I think it's worth recognizing the potential and flair that SkyHigh showed in their first match.


the main reason the push looked so unstoppable was because July totally failed with muta-harass which put him WAY behind.
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FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 21:43:18
July 10 2009 21:39 GMT
#35
My prediction

Jaedong<Effort
Iris>Tempest

Effort>Iris

July<Flash

Finals
Flash vs Effort
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 21:46:38
July 10 2009 21:45 GMT
#36
Although I like July, I hope he loses to Flash so we don't need to witness the embarrassment that would be July vs Jaedong.

Hopefully...

Flash 3:2 July

Iris > Tempest
Jaedong > Effort

Jaedong > Iris

...and then a Flash:Jaedong series to make up for the disaster that was the GOM1 Finals.
May the BeSt man win.
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
July 10 2009 21:51 GMT
#37
thanks Tadzio!

Park Sung Joon Fighting!
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 10 2009 22:06 GMT
#38
On July 11 2009 06:45 Djabanete wrote:
Although I like July, I hope he loses to Flash so we don't need to witness the embarrassment that would be July vs Jaedong.

Hopefully...

Flash 3:2 July

Iris > Tempest
Jaedong > Effort

Jaedong > Iris

...and then a Flash:Jaedong series to make up for the disaster that was the GOM1 Finals.


If you thought that was a disaster for Flash, just pay attention to his recent TvZs.
Remember Violet.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
July 10 2009 22:30 GMT
#39
July vs Flash should have been the final! July is my favorite Zerg, and Flash is my favorite Terran after NaDa. Dont know who to root for. I dont want July in a ZvZ final though, because I think he will lose then. So if Tempest upsets everyone and beats Iris and JD/Effort, July would be nice. July vs Iris would be way cooler than Flash vs Iris too.

So if Zergs get to the final then Flash, if otherwise July!
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
July 10 2009 22:46 GMT
#40
July's gonna roll Flash, he's gonna win this.
professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
July 10 2009 22:49 GMT
#41
I think you've got the brackets wrong. Check the GOM site and click on "Match Schedule." It shows semifinals as

Flash vs (Winner Jaedong/Effort)

July vs (Winner Berserker/Tempest)
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professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
July 10 2009 23:00 GMT
#42
More detailed explanation of above post:

I see why the brackets are incorrect. When GOM drew the Ro64 bracket on their site, Flash and July's quadrants were on top and it looked like the top two and bottom two quadrants would be placed together in the semifinals. This is probably the time when the TL bracket was created. However, when GOM drew the Ro16 and Ro8 brackets it became clear that the semifinal pairing was left two quadrants of Ro64 vs right two quadrants of Ro64. The TL bracket must never have been updated to reflect this.

"The different branches of Arithmetic -- Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision." --Lewis Carroll
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 23:08:36
July 10 2009 23:07 GMT
#43
On July 11 2009 07:49 professorjoak wrote:
I think you've got the brackets wrong. Check the GOM site and click on "Match Schedule." It shows semifinals as

Flash vs (Winner Jaedong/Effort)

July vs (Winner Berserker/Tempest)


The english brackets on that site are effed. The issue with the brackets has been overdiscussed time and again and I'm pretty sure the TL guys have gone to painstaking effort to make sure they got it right.
Remember Violet.
ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
July 10 2009 23:10 GMT
#44
On July 11 2009 08:07 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 07:49 professorjoak wrote:
I think you've got the brackets wrong. Check the GOM site and click on "Match Schedule." It shows semifinals as

Flash vs (Winner Jaedong/Effort)

July vs (Winner Berserker/Tempest)


The english brackets on that site are effed. The issue with the brackets has been overdiscussed time and again and I'm pretty sure the TL guys have gone to painstaking effort to make sure they got it right.


Honestly. Who in their right mind would put Flash and JD on the same side of the bracket.
Whenever I see a dropship, my asshole tingles, because it knows whats coming... - TheAntZ
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 10 2009 23:33 GMT
#45
jaedong. EZ, although jd v effort should be great to watch anyway.

great writeup
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FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
July 10 2009 23:46 GMT
#46
Awesome awesome! I really really want July to take this season, although it will be very tough to beat flash and will probably have to face a zvz final against insane zvz stats if he gets that far.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
July 11 2009 00:21 GMT
#47
Go Iris!
觀過斯知仁矣.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 11 2009 01:43 GMT
#48
Epic games coming (I'm not referring to Tempest vs Iris though). First Effort vs Jaedong and then Flash vs July!

And then epic final
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
July 11 2009 02:26 GMT
#49
Man, sometimes I fell uneasy being a July fan. Like I worry he's gona implode and get 3:0'ed any moment.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 11 2009 03:40 GMT
#50
On July 11 2009 11:26 gokai wrote:
Man, sometimes I fell uneasy being a July fan. Like I worry he's gona implode and get 3:0'ed any moment.


Tell me about it lol. Ive gone through years of this ;(. But then he turns around and wins another OSL, its so exciting being a July fan you just never know.
OMG you nasty gurl
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
July 11 2009 04:47 GMT
#51
On July 11 2009 01:55 RaGe wrote:
There's nothing I'd rather see than July raping Flash. Please make it happen July.

So true.
bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
July 11 2009 05:04 GMT
#52
I expect and look forward to a Jaedong/Flash final.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21246 Posts
July 11 2009 05:04 GMT
#53
JULY ZERG! TUSHIN! GOD OF FUCKING WAR!

It's July, so July will basically win GOM and lol a lot.
TranslatorBaa!
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
July 11 2009 05:07 GMT
#54
GOGO Flash and Effort!!
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
CoL_Drake
Profile Joined March 2005
Germany455 Posts
July 11 2009 05:42 GMT
#55
final is not in july so july cant win ^^
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 11 2009 05:42 GMT
#56
July and Jaedong gogogo
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 11 2009 06:03 GMT
#57
I will cut my wrists if Flash loses to July.... wish it could be Flash vs July finals
Anyway, I spy FlashvJD finals
:)
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21246 Posts
July 11 2009 07:51 GMT
#58
So Flash can get rolled 0-3 again?
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
July 11 2009 08:08 GMT
#59
July was so evil in that last game.. poor Skyhigh =(
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duckhunt
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada311 Posts
July 11 2009 12:33 GMT
#60
july vs flash will be epic ;d
duckhunt
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada311 Posts
July 11 2009 12:34 GMT
#61
i want to see flash vs jaedong finals and FLASH WIN
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 11 2009 14:29 GMT
#62
July vs Iris finals please
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
July 11 2009 15:29 GMT
#63
What if.... there were a July vs Jaedong final and July won? Would that give july an additionnal title? God of Comebacks anyone? :p
I love ZvZ actually, that kind of final would be epic, as long as it isn't 100% onesided.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 16:39:06
July 11 2009 16:38 GMT
#64
People rooting for July should realise that he's not gonna be able to win the title anyways

There's like a 90% chance that even if he beats flash he'll have to face a Zerg who is vastly superior to him in ZvZ, most likely resulting in a one-sided 3:0 finals.
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pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
July 11 2009 16:40 GMT
#65
Great writeup once again Tadzio, thanks.

On July 12 2009 01:38 7mk wrote:
People rooting for July should realise that he's not gonna be able to win the title anyways

There's like a 90% chance that even if he beats flash he'll have to face a Zerg who is vastly superior to him in ZvZ, most likely resulting in a one-sided 3:0 finals.

This! July can't ZvZ at all.
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 16:50:28
July 11 2009 16:50 GMT
#66
On July 12 2009 01:38 7mk wrote:
People rooting for July should realise that he's not gonna be able to win the title anyways

There's like a 90% chance that even if he beats flash he'll have to face a Zerg who is vastly superior to him in ZvZ, most likely resulting in a one-sided 3:0 finals.

July has only lost 2 Best of 5s in his entire career, and both were to the current bonjwa. Flash isn't even close to being bonjwa, he doesn't even deserve to be called S class right now. I hope that Flash loses because it would be a sad runover if Flash advanced to play against Jaedong.

July is an incredibly smart series player, in a bo5 its pretty ignorant to just declare that he will be rolled even though he is playing someone who is at the same level as himself. I don't know if you have been paying attention, but July's ZvT is quite good lately.

Also Flash is losing a to a lot of zergs recently, including Calm(lololol) and Kwanro, and also Yarnc and Jaedong. July has been doing just as good in ZvT as all four of those players who beat Flash

On July 11 2009 23:29 3 Lions wrote:
July vs Iris finals please

+1!!!!
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 17:38:07
July 11 2009 17:14 GMT
#67
On July 12 2009 01:50 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 01:38 7mk wrote:
People rooting for July should realise that he's not gonna be able to win the title anyways

There's like a 90% chance that even if he beats flash he'll have to face a Zerg who is vastly superior to him in ZvZ, most likely resulting in a one-sided 3:0 finals.

July has only lost 2 Best of 5s in his entire career, and both were to the current bonjwa. Flash isn't even close to being bonjwa, he doesn't even deserve to be called S class right now. I hope that Flash loses because it would be a sad runover if Flash advanced to play against Jaedong.

July is an incredibly smart series player, in a bo5 its pretty ignorant to just declare that he will be rolled even though he is playing someone who is at the same level as himself. I don't know if you have been paying attention, but July's ZvT is quite good lately.

Also Flash is losing a to a lot of zergs recently, including Calm(lololol) and Kwanro, and also Yarnc and Jaedong. July has been doing just as good in ZvT as all four of those players who beat Flash

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 23:29 3 Lions wrote:
July vs Iris finals please

+1!!!!


Um, they weren't talking about Flash. They were talking about his ZvZ, which is atrocious. I mean the post started off with "If he beats Flash" so no one even said Flash is going to roll him.

edit: also he lost to Nada in the 2004-2005 osl finals. I'm pretty sure Nada wasn't bonjwa in 2005. :> (hint it was Oov)
Remember Violet.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
July 11 2009 19:26 GMT
#68
I would really like to see FlaSh or July win this tournament. FlaSh is too good of a player to only have two titles to his name, an OSL and a GOM.

However, July is such a legend. It's always great to see those guys do well in the modern context.
RIP Aaliyah
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 11 2009 19:29 GMT
#69
On July 12 2009 04:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would really like to see FlaSh or July win this tournament. FlaSh is too good of a player to only have two titles to his name, an OSL and a GOM.

However, July is such a legend. It's always great to see those guys do well in the modern context.

Dude where have you been for months?
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
July 11 2009 22:19 GMT
#70
For me, EffOrt vs. Jaedong is the final.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 11 2009 23:38 GMT
#71
On July 12 2009 04:29 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 04:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would really like to see FlaSh or July win this tournament. FlaSh is too good of a player to only have two titles to his name, an OSL and a GOM.

However, July is such a legend. It's always great to see those guys do well in the modern context.

Dude where have you been for months?


What do you mean?
Remember Violet.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
July 12 2009 01:09 GMT
#72
July will beat JD in the finals if they take place in July.
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Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-12 10:47:51
July 12 2009 10:44 GMT
#73
effort vs jaedong (for those who seen it) shows the reason why I do not play zvz.
+ Show Spoiler +
This is fricken upsetting. Now we cant see an epic zvt between jaedong and flash in the finals damn it. I respected effort but not anymore, even though my argument just now doesnt make sense. He shoulda lost lol.
Origami
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States266 Posts
July 12 2009 12:22 GMT
#74
On July 12 2009 19:44 Ahzz wrote:
effort vs jaedong (for those who seen it) shows the reason why I do not play zvz.
+ Show Spoiler +
This is fricken upsetting. Now we cant see an epic zvt between jaedong and flash in the finals damn it. I respected effort but not anymore, even though my argument just now doesnt make sense. He shoulda lost lol.


+ Show Spoiler +
If you take Flash's recent losses in TvZ as a mark of weakness in the matchup, then an Effort vs Flash final would be several times better than Jaedong vs Flash. Remember GSL1? Jaedong > Flash where only one game got past mutalisk harassment and that game was basically over anyway by that point. At least Effort loves taking things to complicated endgames.
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
July 12 2009 18:48 GMT
#75
On July 12 2009 21:22 Origami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:44 Ahzz wrote:
effort vs jaedong (for those who seen it) shows the reason why I do not play zvz.
+ Show Spoiler +
This is fricken upsetting. Now we cant see an epic zvt between jaedong and flash in the finals damn it. I respected effort but not anymore, even though my argument just now doesnt make sense. He shoulda lost lol.


+ Show Spoiler +
If you take Flash's recent losses in TvZ as a mark of weakness in the matchup, then an Effort vs Flash final would be several times better than Jaedong vs Flash. Remember GSL1? Jaedong > Flash where only one game got past mutalisk harassment and that game was basically over anyway by that point. At least Effort loves taking things to complicated endgames.

but its not even half as exciting. its not awesome because of how the games go, its awesome because the two are absolutely the best.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-12 19:24:44
July 12 2009 19:23 GMT
#76
On July 12 2009 02:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
edit: also he lost to Nada in the 2004-2005 osl finals. I'm pretty sure Nada wasn't bonjwa in 2005. :> (hint it was Oov)


At that point in time, I don't think there was a bonjwa. That season (IOPS, YATGK, KT-KTF) was dominated by Nada/July/Gorush.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 12 2009 21:50 GMT
#77
It was inbetween Oov's titles, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure 2005 was fairly within Oov's era. It's hard to find a time when Nada and July aren't doing well.
Remember Violet.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 12 2009 22:31 GMT
#78
On July 12 2009 01:50 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 01:38 7mk wrote:
People rooting for July should realise that he's not gonna be able to win the title anyways

There's like a 90% chance that even if he beats flash he'll have to face a Zerg who is vastly superior to him in ZvZ, most likely resulting in a one-sided 3:0 finals.

July has only lost 2 Best of 5s in his entire career, and both were to the current bonjwa. Flash isn't even close to being bonjwa, he doesn't even deserve to be called S class right now. I hope that Flash loses because it would be a sad runover if Flash advanced to play against Jaedong.

July is an incredibly smart series player, in a bo5 its pretty ignorant to just declare that he will be rolled even though he is playing someone who is at the same level as himself. I don't know if you have been paying attention, but July's ZvT is quite good lately.

Also Flash is losing a to a lot of zergs recently, including Calm(lololol) and Kwanro, and also Yarnc and Jaedong. July has been doing just as good in ZvT as all four of those players who beat Flash

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 23:29 3 Lions wrote:
July vs Iris finals please

+1!!!!


Flash...not... S-Class?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 12 2009 23:35 GMT
#79
On July 13 2009 06:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It was inbetween Oov's titles, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure 2005 was fairly within Oov's era. It's hard to find a time when Nada and July aren't doing well.


It was after his msl streak and between his OSLs. If you look at the time period between when the first of those three leagues began and the last ended, oov won a mediocre 55% of his games. GoRush and nada both won approximately 67% of their games and the vast majority of these were in the individual leagues.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Ahtiven
Profile Joined May 2009
Malaysia159 Posts
July 13 2009 02:51 GMT
#80
Records are merely for comparison so stats aside. July is going to win. ZvZ so what?
Life is a gift, don't waste it.
shenlong
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
219 Posts
July 13 2009 06:52 GMT
#81
where can i watch these vods?
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 13 2009 14:08 GMT
#82
really sad for Jaedong....
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 14 2009 05:58 GMT
#83
The Jaedong prediction was so right that it makes my head hurt
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