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[WCS EU] Ro32 Group E Preview (S1)

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May 2nd, 2013 10:24 GMT

2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 1 - Premier League




Ro32: Group E Preview
NaNiwa, Shuttle, TLO, Kas


Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Premier League Ro32:
Group E Preview

by Waxangel



Group E: (P)Alliance.NaNiwa, (T)c.Shuttle, (Z)Liquid`TLO, (T)Empire|Kas


While WCS Europe can't match WCS Korea's historic, absurdly stacked group of death, it does bring us a very solid group with strong players. First and foremost there's (P)Alliance.NaNiwa, who needed one weekend in his home country of Sweden to take back the 'best foreigner' crown from Stephano. NaNiwa was a mystery coming into DreamHack: Stockholm, with many wondering how he measured up in HotS after a long time away from live tournaments. The answer: very, very well. NaNiwa made a famous run to the DreamHack finals, defeating players like MC, YuGiOh and Jaedong, before finally losing to Leenock in an extremely close 2 - 3 final. It was like seeing NaNiwa who had reached the Code S Ro8 twice in a row return right before our very eyes.

That should strike fear into the heart of NaNiwa's first opponent, (T)c.Shuttle. Typically, the reaction to facing a Korean Terran would be "f***, he's probably really good," but instead Shuttle comes across as a player the Europeans will consider to be more like themselves. Of course, he is a good player, or else he would never have broken through the brutally hard WCS Europe Qualifiers, but he has no results to suggest he's like one of those Koreans. Take the Korean flag off his name and take a look through his match history—could you really tell him apart from a middling European pro? In fact, Shuttle is in the strange position of being the only Korean in the group, yet also being the least favored player to advance. His three opponents are some of the best in Europe, and Shuttle hasn't proven he can play on that level... yet.

On the other side of the bracket we have (Z)Liquid`TLO facing (T)Empire|Kas. The two have interesting contrasting stories behind them, as TLO was once a very popular player in spite of a dearth of tournament results, whereas Kas has never enjoyed much popularity outside of Europe despite always being considered one of the best players on the continent. In TLO's case, he has improved his skills massively over the course of the last year or so (his recovery from a wrist injury being a factor), going from first round elimination candidate to a player lurking just outside the title picture. Unfortunately, we can't say that Kas' PR has improved at such a pace—Bitterdam will have to redouble their efforts at promoting the Ukrainian Terran.

The relationship between the two is an interesting one, with TLO surprisingly having an extremely favorable record over Kas. Considering that Kas has a near-even or better record against almost every Zerg in Europe not named Stephano and VortiX, it's a surprise that he has somewhere around a combined 5 - 15 record (depending on what kind of games you want to count) against TLO in 'official' games. Either TLO's style totally counters Kas', or this is one of the weirder statistical aberrations in StarCraft. Whatever the case, this is the most high-stakes match the two have faced in, so perhaps Kas will have thought deeply about the reason behind it and will have found the solution.

Final thoughts and prediction

NaNiwa is the favorite in this group, but he's also the most exposed due to his deep run at DreamHack. Fortunately for NaNiwa he didn't have to show much PvT, but he did have to reveal a lot of his PvZ play in his Zerg heavy run (which even included TLO). His gateway-expand openers and myriad follow-up strategies might have caught his opponents with their pants down at DreamHack—a peculiar 2-immortal, only zealot all-in was especially effective—but TLO will be more ready to face him now.

Shuttle is the wild card in this group, and if he can show the level of play expected from a Korean, he can really shake things up.

If the TLO-Kas relationship isn't just an aberration, then this group becomes somewhat easy to call: NaNiwa's the favorite, Shuttle is the opposite, and TLO edges out Kas for second place.

NaNiwa > Shuttle
TLO > Kas
NaNiwa > TLO
Kas > Shuttle
TLO > Kas

NaNiwa and TLO advance.

Writers: Waxangel.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
May 02 2013 10:41 GMT
#2
Do it, Dario! Hwaiting!

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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2145 Posts
May 02 2013 10:44 GMT
#3
Really hoping NaNiwa makes it!
kuehlschrank
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany33 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 10:53:24
May 02 2013 10:52 GMT
#4
Don't see TLO winning against Kas. Kas is just too good at the moment, especially with the current state of terran.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 02 2013 10:57 GMT
#5
you're going to regret underestimating Shuttle.

he has god tier mechanics.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 02 2013 10:57 GMT
#6
Shuttle has a Protoss thingy instead of a Terran thingy.
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Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
May 02 2013 11:16 GMT
#7
TLO won against Kas at dreamhack, although it was a consolation match for wcs points. He won 2-0.
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
stjartrov
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden81 Posts
May 02 2013 11:18 GMT
#8
I would like it if you had the time of the match in this previews, I get that it's usually the same day it comes up but sometimes it's not (at least EU) and I feel it would be nice.

Thanks you for all your previews, it's something I look forward to every day!
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
May 02 2013 11:21 GMT
#9
Nani, show them who is the boss!
santacruze
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden8 Posts
May 02 2013 11:37 GMT
#10
Gogo NaNiwa!
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1803 Posts
May 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#11
NaNiwa and Kas FIGHTING!
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
May 02 2013 12:09 GMT
#12
Oooh interesting group. Hoping Naniwa / TLO / Kas.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33565 Posts
May 02 2013 12:22 GMT
#13
On May 02 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
Shuttle has a Protoss thingy instead of a Terran thingy.


blah, he's still mentalking in TLPD
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MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
May 02 2013 12:24 GMT
#14
Dont understand TLO fans.... last in group, nani takes first though.
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Ivory Coast4 Posts
May 02 2013 12:34 GMT
#15
TLO was a decent terran but lost all my respect when he switched to zerg...

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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 02 2013 12:45 GMT
#16
Shuttle and Naniwa!
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Adellund
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark92 Posts
May 02 2013 13:00 GMT
#17
On May 02 2013 21:34 Overslyzed wrote:
TLO was a decent terran but lost all my respect when he switched to zerg...



Completely agree + Nani easy 999-0 this group ( literally cant loose to these scrubs imo! )
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 02 2013 13:08 GMT
#18
TLO advancing would be awesome
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sashqinCho
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation131 Posts
May 02 2013 13:09 GMT
#19
Kas and nani ofc
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 13:12:13
May 02 2013 13:11 GMT
#20
To call a group easy to predict with players so evenly matched is kinda dangerous.
I think naniwas chances against kas if he faces him are not very good. Shuttle might not be the favourite in this group but his chances are still pretty decent.
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CreatorGX
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
May 02 2013 13:13 GMT
#21
I hope your predictions end up correct in the end, Wax. Nani and TLO are two of my favorite players, but even I know Shuttle has a good chance to win out too.

Nani and TLO fighting!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 02 2013 13:20 GMT
#22
SO MUCH SC2
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Pjorren
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden777 Posts
May 02 2013 13:22 GMT
#23
I think Kas is going to dominate 4-0 and Naniwa takes second place.
BAAEEMM
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany412 Posts
May 02 2013 13:26 GMT
#24
This group is going to be really close, I think.
Yes, Nani was godlike at DH but he didn't play a single high-profile PvT and said himself that it was by far is worst match-up. So don't be too sure he is going to stomp everyone (although he is ofc the favorite).
Also TLO has been improving a lot lately. He 3-0'd his group of Nerchio, Sase and ForGG at DH.
Kas 3-0'd his group of Hero, Zenio and Happy at DH, so he is definitely in shape, too.
And I can't say much about Shuttle but he's a Korean Terran, so I will not count him out.

Should be awesome
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
May 02 2013 13:27 GMT
#25
TLO and Naniwa to move on.
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peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
May 02 2013 14:19 GMT
#26
On May 02 2013 22:00 Adellund wrote:
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On May 02 2013 21:34 Overslyzed wrote:
TLO was a decent terran but lost all my respect when he switched to zerg...



Completely agree + Nani easy 999-0 this group ( literally cant loose to these scrubs imo! )


Definitely debatable. TLO has been doing really well, and his ZvP has been looking sharp. Aligulac shows that it's been rising since the release of HotS. The swarm host has really been working in his favor.
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Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
May 02 2013 14:28 GMT
#27
On May 02 2013 21:34 Overslyzed wrote:
TLO was a decent terran but lost all my respect when he switched to zerg...

Good first post.

I hope Nani and Shuttle make it out. Shuttle deserves to be in the spotlight he's good.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
May 02 2013 14:37 GMT
#28
Naniwa & Kas advance
stakiman
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria42 Posts
May 02 2013 14:55 GMT
#29
gogo tlo!
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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
May 02 2013 15:04 GMT
#30
with two terrans in the group I really doubt Naniwa will make it out. But we'll see. It wouldn't be the first time that Naniwa says he's weak at a certain matchup, only for in the next tournament to rape that race into oblivion.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
May 02 2013 15:06 GMT
#31
Wow this really is EU group of death!
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Profile Joined August 2010
177 Posts
May 02 2013 15:19 GMT
#32
I've said this once...please put broadcasting times in these posts (EST, KST, and UK times). Those of us who don't keep up with the scene religiously but want to catch some games don't really have easy access to the information. I think esports will grow a lot more if this information is unified and readily available. Thank you!
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Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
May 02 2013 15:37 GMT
#33
On May 02 2013 22:26 BAAEEMM wrote:
Kas 3-0'd his group of Hero, Zenio and Happy at DH, so he is definitely in shape, too.


This is what is find the most interesting about Kas, yet many forget this.
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
May 02 2013 15:38 GMT
#34
I'm fearing for Naniwa tbh. The games vs TLO in dreamhack were pretty close, and now his gateway opening is known. Also, he said himself that PvT is his worst matchup by far. Anything can happen in this group.
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2145 Posts
May 02 2013 15:42 GMT
#35
Did NaNiwa advance?
Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
May 02 2013 15:46 GMT
#36
And on top of WCS KR I have to follow this too Naniwa will advance, TLO looked strong during Dreamhack so I pick him as well.

But hey, a Korean can win anywhere.
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
May 02 2013 15:57 GMT
#37
In my heart I want to say Naniwa and TLO to advance, but I went Nani/Shuttle in Liquibets.
Rooting for Nani and TLO though, best of luck guys
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
May 02 2013 16:02 GMT
#38
Best group Ro32 IMO.

Hoping for Shuttle and Kas, but Nani and TLO are looking really strong!
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asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
May 02 2013 16:14 GMT
#39
On May 02 2013 19:57 Gamegene wrote:
you're going to regret underestimating Shuttle.

he has god tier mechanics.

^^^^
rip prime
peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
May 02 2013 16:47 GMT
#40
This is definitely one of the harder groups. I mean, they're all very hard groups, but all of these players are looking very strong lately.

I feel like Naniwa/TLO will be the most interesting match. Naniwa busted out some crazy good PvZ openings at Dreamhack, but now, TLO has had a good week to study those openers. He already took a game off of Nani at DH, and Leenock showed that those openers aren't infallible. In addition, TLO 2-0'd both SaSe and JYP in DH Group Stage. He's looking really solid.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 02 2013 17:01 GMT
#41
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Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
May 02 2013 19:15 GMT
#42
TLO and Nani easy, TLO fighting!
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
May 02 2013 19:28 GMT
#43
On May 02 2013 21:24 MysterySC wrote:
Dont understand TLO fans.... last in group, nani takes first though.


As a TLO fan, posts like this make me chortle heartily. You sure got that TLO call right, bud
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United States1206 Posts
May 02 2013 20:04 GMT
#44
NANIWA yeah! <3
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United States2824 Posts
May 02 2013 20:34 GMT
#45
I'll be rooting for TLO but I predict NaNiwa and Shuttle to advance!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 06 2013 14:55 GMT
#46
Didn´t find it on liquepedia, so:

Are the dates of the offline-finals for EU already known, so people can plan to come by the studio?
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Germany393 Posts
May 06 2013 15:25 GMT
#47
TLO fighting ! ~~
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