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Winners Round 3
Preview


Players, brackets, and schedules on Liquipedia



Winners Round 3: Preview

by Fionn and Waxangel

The final week of WCS Korea begins in Winners Round 3. The stakes have never been higher, as the winners will confirm their spot among the ten Korean representatives at WCS Asia. While KeSPA vs GomTV action dominated the second week of WCS matches, winners round 3 features members of GomTV's upper echelon against just one plucky KeSPA challenger. Samsung KHAN's Roro faces GSL runner-up Squirtle, while Curious, PartinG, Polt, Seed, Creator, and Puzzle collide in Gom vs Gom combat.

(T)TSL_Polt vs. (P)LG-IMSeed

Why wait till the Friday for the main event? Kicking off the quarter-finals of the winners bracket, we have the the current GSL champion, the hottest Protoss in the world, and the only player to make Taeja look human in the past two months, LG-IM's Seed, facing off against the former GSL Super Tournament champion, hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja, and a player who hasn't lost an offline series in Korea the entire summer, TSL_Polt.

The two players come into the match with staggering recent records. Seed fought his way through Code S, making comebacks round after round, and finally realized his dream of becoming a champion in Busan with a 4-1 win over MC. Adding onto that, he went to San Francisco and was able to seal his team's IPL Team Arena victory with two straight wins against Hero and Taeja. His only stumbling point this entire summer was a loss to Hack in the final qualifying round for this year's WCG. Besides that, he has become the strongest Protoss in the world, GSL champion, and a player who has defied the incredible odds he has been put up against.

In Polt's case, coming into the summer, his Korean results were beyond lackluster. A former GSL champion and one of the most consistent players in Code S history, Polt fell off at the end stages of 2011, and continued his run of bad form into 2012 with early exits in each GSL tournament he entered. Even with good results in foreign tournaments where he won plenty of cash, Polt needed do well in his home country to seriously be considered one of the top Terrans in the world. After getting eliminated embarrassingly by a Slayers B-teamer, Dark, in the first round of the OSL preliminaries, the TSL captain knew he had work to do.

Putting his popular TeamLiquid stream on hold and declining all foreign tournament invites, Polt set his sights on improving his Korean results. That he did, qualifying for Code S, WCS Korea, and WCG Korean in quick succession, not dropping a single series and beating notable names like Maru, Hyun, and DongRaeGu along the way. Going into WCS Korea, he had seemingly bad luck, getting put up against four-time GSL champion Mvp in the first round. With all his attention on that match and no other distractions, Polt was able to create the perfect counter builds towards Mvp's mech style and advanced with a 2-1 score.

With both Polt and Seeds getting through the first two rounds, they are on a collision course to see which will be the only GSL champion left standing in the winner's final four. From the start of June, Seed has a 31-16 record at offline events, and Polt is entering with a 25-10 record, both batting fifteen games over .500 this summer. In terms of who is coming in with the most momentum, you would have to give the edge to Seed. With a GSL title and an IPL team title that he secured with a win over the almost unstoppable Taeja, his already confidence must have shot all the way to Mars alongside the Curiosity rover. Polt's TvP is still his best match-up and one of the best in the world, so it's going to be a close series.

Polt might have a longer history as an elite TvP player between the two, but how do you bet against Seed right now? Polt is one of the only few players who has a shot at dethroning Seed in this tournament, but until someone finally does it, you can't go against the GSL champion with a week's preparation.

Prediction: Seed 2
- 1 Polt


(P)ST_Squirtle vs (Z)SAMSUNG_RorO

Curious might get called the player with the least emotion out of anyone in the world, but what about his teammate Squirtle? Have you ever seen him laugh? Fist pump? Anything? While Curious has had some success, it's not like he's had a monumental moment in his career where you'd expect a look of delight. Squirtle might have had been part of the biggest moment in Starcraft 2 history, vortexing and killing off Mvp's battlecruiser fleet in the fifth game of the GSL finals, and he didn't even crack a smile. Every time he enters the booth, he's all business and more likely than not, leaves with an apathetic look on his face that the games were too easy.

This is why he, maybe out of anyone left along with Seed, is a player who KeSPA should fear the most. We've seen YuGiOh, Coca, Puzzle, and others talk about how much pressure there was facing a KeSPA player and how they felt like it was their solemn duty not to lose. Squirtle shouldn't have that problem, always playing it cool and never really getting rattled in the booth. Even down 0 - 3 in the biggest series of his life, he fought back to tie it 3-3 with amazing games and would have become champion if not for a small blunder that got capitalized upon by the best player we've ever seen play Starcraft 2. While he might have been Roro's practice partner or lackey back in the WeMade Fox days, he is now one of the best players in the entire world and has the demeanor of one.

Roro has had a great tournament, upsetting Leenock in the last round, but this is a series that would take an epic performance to win. A victory against Squirtle wouldn't just hit a 5/5 on the Elephant Meter, but it might just break it if one of the calmest and strongest players GOM has would fall to a player most Starcraft 2 fans hadn't even known about before the start of this tournament.

You can never say never with KeSPA being 11-1 in their last twelve games, but this is the winner's bracket. Squirtle is looking for his big first champion with WCS Korea, and he is not going to take it easy or be taken aback by having to play a KeSPA player. A loss would be demoralizing and be an epic gut punch to the GSL player supporters, but relax, GOM supporters, Squirtle shouldn't let that happen.

Prediction: Squirtle 2 - 0 Roro

(P)CreatorPrime vs (P)SlayerS_Puzzle

Two weeks ago, Creator did something quite inventive, becoming one of the first top Protoss players to stay humble about his PvP skill and admit the large luck factor involved. Avid Protoss fans will remember the foolish-in-retrospect comments from Oz and MC, claiming PvP wasn't about luck but skill, skill that they had. For their confidence, they were respective awarded with a sub 20% win rate over three months, and a 1 – 4 PvP loss in the GSL finals.

It seems a bit odd to invoke that kind of supernatural power against Puzzle. Always a solid, textbook player, Puzzle has never looked particularly threatening in the Protoss mirror match. In fact, it's probably the least remarkable of his three match-ups. Then again, can you really say that Creator is much better? He has excellent micro and execution, but that's standard at the Code S level. As much as we would like to add comments like 'good decision making' or 'good at mind-games,' the difference between that and 'had a hot streak over the course of a few games' is awfully thin. Without particularly notable PvP stats for either player, skill-wise this appears to be a wash.

Outside the game, both players come in with different advantages. Creator has a lot more momentum going (though players like TaeJa seem to believe momentum doesn't matter), having won five consecutive series in the last few weeks. On the other hand, Puzzle is the player who is more accustomed to playing in the booth, having played dozens of matches in Code S and GSTL. He has shown some weakness playing in the higher rounds (notably the previous GSTL final), but he has been solid in general. Creator has been good in Code A and GSTL, but hasn't performed up to his vaunted online reputation in Code S. It's hard to draw analogies between WCS and the GSL, but with direct qualification into WCS Asia on the line, you could speculate that this is the round where Creator starts feeling those jitters.

In the end, I have to go with Puzzle by a hair. Creator's recent WCS and TSL4 runs suggest he's finally living up to his reputation as the next big thing for Protoss, but until he actually shows he can make it in deep in a live tournament, you have to go with the more experienced player.

Prediction: Puzzle 2 – 1 Creator


(Z)ST_Curious vs (P)ST_PartinG

For those who are becoming disenchanted with GomTV Zergs and their recent poor performance, I'd like to humbly suggest the Curious bandwagon. Overlooked for months and judged almost solely on his nervy Code S performances, Curious' stock is on a rapid upswing. Since July, he's beaten Puzzle, Creator, Squirtle, Maru and MKP. Oh, and if we're giving KeSPA players credit now, you'll want to remember that Curious is the guy who began the GomTV >> KeSPA expectations in the first place by also crushing SKT_Rain on the opening day of WCS Korea. Go back even further, and you can add series wins against HerO and Seed to his record. At the very least, he deserves to wear the crown in the Korean ZvP department.

That leads me to cautiously predict that PartinG is screwed. Only cautiously, because he hasn't actually played much PvZ in the past few months, so who knows what kind of PvZ steroids he might have been taking in secret? When we checked on him last, PartinG was a decent PvZ player with an affinity for mixing up two base all-ins, but didn't really do anything to make him stand out among other similar Protoss players. Parting has a shot since it's just a best of three, but it's hard to give him any kind of chance if he plays macro games with Curious. Curious has out-managed Squirtle, Creator, and Puzzle in his last few series, and unlike his PvT, PartinG has shown us precious few long game wins in PvZ.

It really all works out for the best. PartinG will get knocked down to Losers round 4, where he is guaranteed to face a KeSPA player in the winner of Jaedong vs Rain. As much fun as it is to hear PartinG talk the talk, it's even more fun to see if he can walk the walk. And you know for sure that if he wins, we're guaranteed to see a taunting ceremony from GomTV's cockiest player. Ah, screw impartiality. Curious fighting!

Prediction: Curious 2 – 1 PartinG


[image loading] Bonus Elephant Match

(P)SKTelecom_Rain vs (Z)8_Jaedong

*Rescheduled losers round 3 match.

Here we are with our first Elephant vs Elephant match since we realized that maybe we should take guys who have played Starcraft professionally for a few years kinda seriously. If you take out the added intrigue of the vs GomTV aspect, it does fall a little bit short of the extreme SC2 skill represented by the above four matches, but come on, Jaedong is playing. That's always fun.

Would it be anti-climactic to say that Rain is favored here? It feels acceptable to say Jaedong is an underdog against GomTV players who have had a head start, but it's just weird to think that Jaedong is at a disadvantage against a KeSPA Protoss. That's probably a feeling a lot of Brood War fans aren't even familiar with, since the last time he wasn't favored against toss was in 2007 or something like that.

But what can we say? Rain was probably the #1 Protoss player on the KeSPA recommendations list for WCS, if not #1 overall. He has played fairly normally in WCS tournament so far, but he's 12 - 6 in Proleague SC2 so far. Not only does that give him one of the highest win rates, but he has the most games played of any player. T1 needs him so much that he plays nearly every single time, as well as in a large number of ace matches (thought the need for Ace matches also says something about T1 as a whole).

Being 'normal' as Rain was for most of WCS is fine for a Protoss in PvZ, with Liquid`HerO being maybe the only notable Korean Protoss these days with something resembling a PvZ 'style.' For the most part, it's all about being more solid (and more boring, for detractors of the match-up) and being better mechanically. It's not like Creator and Squirtle's "well timed, well microed 200/200 army before hive" is exactly dazzling everyone.

Jaedong hardly looks refined yet, although his handling of a base trade against Genius was close to ideal last week. However, in a recent game against Rain, he got destroyed by some simple warp-prism harassment, and his infestor handling looked rather sloppy as well. This could be a cliché about KeSPA players, but his general sense of tactics and troop movements seems good, but some of the Starcraft II specific execution is still lacking. You definitely have to factor in the intangible Jaedong factor, the killer instinct that won him so many championships and ace matches, but it still seems just a bit too early.

Prediction: Rain 2 – 0 Jaedong


Writers: Fionn and Waxangel
Graphics: HawaiianPig and shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
August 20 2012 02:37 GMT
#2
I just hope that the TL prediction curse hits Polt this time.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 20 2012 02:40 GMT
#3
Lets go Roro and screw everyone's Liquibets!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
August 20 2012 02:44 GMT
#4
Rain and Jaedong also play tonight. Will they be added?
ZeroStarCraft2
Profile Joined March 2012
Malaysia154 Posts
August 20 2012 02:45 GMT
#5
Squirtle and PartinG fighting!
Squirtle, PartinG fighting!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 02:50:07
August 20 2012 02:46 GMT
#6
psch creator got this puzzlestomp inc! he's 6-2 lifetime against puzzle:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2838&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=3&from_day=27&to_year=2012&to_month=7&to_day=25&action=Update#tblt-2220-1-default-0-puzzle
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Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
August 20 2012 02:46 GMT
#7
aw, no review of Hero's win over Effort? I love your reviews
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hnim
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
August 20 2012 02:49 GMT
#8
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?
Mvp fanboy
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 20 2012 02:51 GMT
#9
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 20 2012 02:52 GMT
#10
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 20 2012 02:53 GMT
#11
i sincerely hope squirtle and creator wins, if either 1 loses i will probably get a heart attack
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#12
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.
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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
August 20 2012 02:55 GMT
#13
Puzzle > Creator? As a SlayerS fan I don't agree with this at all.. if anything lately Puzzle has been worse and Creator has been looking unstoppable. I think Creator will take it 2-1

I think Squirtle 2-1 RorO

Curious 2-0 PartinG

Polt 2-1 Seed (Please? I love Seed, but I love Polt more )

hmm... let's think about it
OnFiRe888
Profile Joined October 2010
United States629 Posts
August 20 2012 02:59 GMT
#14
What about Jaedong vs Rain? I remember that being played tonight as well.
"Life isn't measured by the breaths you take, but by skill in Starcraft"
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
August 20 2012 03:04 GMT
#15
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


When MVP wins, it's kind of just like "oh, MVP won, I guess he won again"

(note, I personally think that MVP is the best terran in the world still, so don't take this post as if I didn't think that)

But the reason why TaeJa's streak seems more "hot" is that he just won 2 premier tournaments as well as almost fully carried Liquid to a victory at IPL TAC, and when he wins he looks unbeatable. A lot of MVP's wins don't look as dominant because they're slower and more methodical, and he looks like he's in trouble a lot but then handles the situation perfectly.
hmm... let's think about it
Sedzz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Australia391 Posts
August 20 2012 03:07 GMT
#16
When you say hottest Terran, it should be taken literally when talking about Polt. This guy is a handsome need gosu.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 20 2012 03:10 GMT
#17
On August 20 2012 11:46 opterown wrote:
psch creator got this puzzlestomp inc! he's 6-2 lifetime against puzzle:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2838&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=3&from_day=27&to_year=2012&to_month=7&to_day=25&action=Update#tblt-2220-1-default-0-puzzle


Code A champion man! While players like MC and Seed might fight over the title of Protoss President, there is only one, and will only be one Protoss Vice President, and that is Puzzle.
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 20 2012 03:14 GMT
#18
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.


Case closed.

You failed to review Jaedong versus Rain though, which was re-scheduled to happen today.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 03:20:25
August 20 2012 03:19 GMT
#19
On August 20 2012 12:14 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.


Case closed.

You failed to review Jaedong versus Rain though, which was re-scheduled to happen today.

hey, polt lost to dark not long before, plus mkp had code a and osl (which polt isn't in) in those two days haha
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 20 2012 03:24 GMT
#20
Shoot that elephant in the head.

Please, let us keep our happy little world together >.<
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 20 2012 03:28 GMT
#21
On August 20 2012 12:07 Sedzz wrote:
When you say hottest Terran, it should be taken literally when talking about Polt. This guy is a handsome need gosu.

He does cut quite a sharp image, but his forehead is too large.

Though that could also be taken as a sign of his superior intelligence, I suppose.
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
August 20 2012 03:42 GMT
#22
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.


So Horror > MKP > Polt > MVP?

I see.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 20 2012 03:43 GMT
#23
On August 20 2012 12:42 Pasargadae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.


So Horror > MKP > Polt > MVP?

I see.

by.rain > horror

by.rain first sc2 bonjwa!
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Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
August 20 2012 03:45 GMT
#24
On August 20 2012 12:43 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 12:42 Pasargadae wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.


So Horror > MKP > Polt > MVP?

I see.

by.rain > horror

by.rain first sc2 bonjwa!


Let's extend the transitivity even further! But jokes aside, MVP is truly the first sc2 bonjwa.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33297 Posts
August 20 2012 03:48 GMT
#25
god, rescheduling? -_-?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
August 20 2012 03:52 GMT
#26
On August 20 2012 12:43 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 12:42 Pasargadae wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.


So Horror > MKP > Polt > MVP?

I see.

by.rain > horror

by.rain first sc2 bonjwa!

Puzzle beat rain though, so the winner between him and Creator will be the true master.
Any fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 20 2012 04:09 GMT
#27
On August 20 2012 12:48 Waxangel wrote:
god, rescheduling? -_-?


/enter smarky remark about actually watching gomtv here...
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 20 2012 04:13 GMT
#28
On August 20 2012 12:48 Waxangel wrote:
god, rescheduling? -_-?


Yeah, where's the rain v Jaedong write up! =P

Just quickly write something like:
"Jaedong beat Genius, but rain keeps beating zergs despite terrible engagements. Rain 2-1."
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Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
August 20 2012 04:19 GMT
#29
For those who are becoming disenchanted with GomTV Zergs and their recent poor performance, I'd like to humbly suggest the Curious bandwagon.


Shh if everyone listens to you I can't be a Curious hipster anymore

Curious fighting!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 04:25:58
August 20 2012 04:25 GMT
#30
On August 20 2012 13:19 Indrium wrote:
Show nested quote +
For those who are becoming disenchanted with GomTV Zergs and their recent poor performance, I'd like to humbly suggest the Curious bandwagon.


Shh if everyone listens to you I can't be a Curious hipster anymore

Curious fighting!


IMO, Curious has quietly become the best ZvP player in the world for a while now. Everyone talks about how frightening Squirtle and Creator's PvZs are, and Curious smacked them down pretty convincingly. He knows how to enter the ZvP lategame unscathed, and when he gets there, he makes it look almost unwinnable for Protoss, with Spine and Spore crawlers, Infested Terran harass, and Nydus worms everywhere, along with your standard BL/Infestor/Corruptor deathball. Also crushed By.Sun 2-0 who in turn stomped Leenock 2-0. Strange and sad that he doesn't get more recognition.
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Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 04:28:29
August 20 2012 04:28 GMT
#31
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Australia54784 Posts
August 20 2012 04:34 GMT
#32
On August 20 2012 13:25 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 13:19 Indrium wrote:
For those who are becoming disenchanted with GomTV Zergs and their recent poor performance, I'd like to humbly suggest the Curious bandwagon.


Shh if everyone listens to you I can't be a Curious hipster anymore

Curious fighting!


IMO, Curious has quietly become the best ZvP player in the world for a while now. Everyone talks about how frightening Squirtle and Creator's PvZs are, and Curious smacked them down pretty convincingly. He knows how to enter the ZvP lategame unscathed, and when he gets there, he makes it look almost unwinnable for Protoss, with Spine and Spore crawlers, Infested Terran harass, and Nydus worms everywhere, along with your standard BL/Infestor/Corruptor deathball. Also crushed By.Sun 2-0 who in turn stomped Leenock 2-0. Strange and sad that he doesn't get more recognition.

well i suppose curious got smacked out of consecutive code S by losing to hero 0-4 and seed 1-4 so maybe? haha i dno
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 04:47:36
August 20 2012 04:46 GMT
#33
On August 20 2012 12:04 LowEloPlayer wrote:
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On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


When MVP wins, it's kind of just like "oh, MVP won, I guess he won again"

(note, I personally think that MVP is the best terran in the world still, so don't take this post as if I didn't think that)

But the reason why TaeJa's streak seems more "hot" is that he just won 2 premier tournaments as well as almost fully carried Liquid to a victory at IPL TAC, and when he wins he looks unbeatable. A lot of MVP's wins don't look as dominant because they're slower and more methodical, and he looks like he's in trouble a lot but then handles the situation perfectly.

its because most korean terrans are very agressive (mkp, taeja, forgg, supernova, mma). mvp is pretty much the only top korean terran i can think of who plays a turtlely defensive macro.... so when he wins, it looks like the opponent jus gg's out instead of getting crushed out.

edit: not saying mvp can't be agressive. in fact, he can... which i guess is just another reason why i think if it weren't for his wrists, he'd easily be the best sc2 terran of all time.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 20 2012 04:49 GMT
#34
On August 20 2012 13:46 jpark4g wrote:
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On August 20 2012 12:04 LowEloPlayer wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


When MVP wins, it's kind of just like "oh, MVP won, I guess he won again"

(note, I personally think that MVP is the best terran in the world still, so don't take this post as if I didn't think that)

But the reason why TaeJa's streak seems more "hot" is that he just won 2 premier tournaments as well as almost fully carried Liquid to a victory at IPL TAC, and when he wins he looks unbeatable. A lot of MVP's wins don't look as dominant because they're slower and more methodical, and he looks like he's in trouble a lot but then handles the situation perfectly.

its because most korean terrans are very agressive (mkp, taeja, forgg, supernova, mma). mvp is pretty much the only top korean terran i can think of who plays a turtlely defensive macro.... so when he wins, it looks like the opponent jus gg's out instead of getting crushed out.

edit: not saying mvp can't be agressive. in fact, he can... which i guess is just another reason why i think if it weren't for his wrists, he'd easily be the best sc2 terran of all time.


I would very much like to hear a cogent argument for not naming Mvp the best SC2 Terran of all time to be honest. Or best SC2 player of all time for that matter.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 04:50:13
August 20 2012 04:50 GMT
#35
On August 20 2012 13:34 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 13:25 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 20 2012 13:19 Indrium wrote:
For those who are becoming disenchanted with GomTV Zergs and their recent poor performance, I'd like to humbly suggest the Curious bandwagon.


Shh if everyone listens to you I can't be a Curious hipster anymore

Curious fighting!


IMO, Curious has quietly become the best ZvP player in the world for a while now. Everyone talks about how frightening Squirtle and Creator's PvZs are, and Curious smacked them down pretty convincingly. He knows how to enter the ZvP lategame unscathed, and when he gets there, he makes it look almost unwinnable for Protoss, with Spine and Spore crawlers, Infested Terran harass, and Nydus worms everywhere, along with your standard BL/Infestor/Corruptor deathball. Also crushed By.Sun 2-0 who in turn stomped Leenock 2-0. Strange and sad that he doesn't get more recognition.

well i suppose curious got smacked out of consecutive code S by losing to hero 0-4 and seed 1-4 so maybe? haha i dno


Yah but he's always bad in Code S

his TSL4 prelim games against Seed just a few days after he looked so much better

rawr, dunno, if WCS winenrs 8 is equivalent to Code S in terms of nerves, then yah, he's fucked
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FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
August 20 2012 04:50 GMT
#36
Nice thread as usual. But I think Roro is being under estimated... The KESPA players have shown some pretty good preparation for this event. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays extremely defensive and pushes through at least 1 game.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 20 2012 04:50 GMT
#37
GOOOOOOO RORO AND JAEDONG
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33297 Posts
August 20 2012 04:59 GMT
#38
okay I said rain will win 2 - 0, probably some combination of all-in and jaedong mismanaging some pre-hive situation
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 20 2012 04:59 GMT
#39
Come on Seed! You got this, yo~

Also, I now want to see Curious win more than ever just so PartinG can use an awesome ceremony against a KeSPA player.
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 20 2012 05:27 GMT
#40
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see
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Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
August 20 2012 05:39 GMT
#41
you are telling me that jaedong cant even take a game off rain, come on man.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 20 2012 05:47 GMT
#42
On August 20 2012 14:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see


genius is very inconsistent and can be both good and bad, squirtle on the other hand is always consistently good. thats why squirtle losing is more of a upset
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niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
August 20 2012 06:00 GMT
#43
Terran win plz, or we will have ZergProtosscraft in WCS global final
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 20 2012 06:16 GMT
#44
On August 20 2012 13:34 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 13:25 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 20 2012 13:19 Indrium wrote:
For those who are becoming disenchanted with GomTV Zergs and their recent poor performance, I'd like to humbly suggest the Curious bandwagon.


Shh if everyone listens to you I can't be a Curious hipster anymore

Curious fighting!


IMO, Curious has quietly become the best ZvP player in the world for a while now. Everyone talks about how frightening Squirtle and Creator's PvZs are, and Curious smacked them down pretty convincingly. He knows how to enter the ZvP lategame unscathed, and when he gets there, he makes it look almost unwinnable for Protoss, with Spine and Spore crawlers, Infested Terran harass, and Nydus worms everywhere, along with your standard BL/Infestor/Corruptor deathball. Also crushed By.Sun 2-0 who in turn stomped Leenock 2-0. Strange and sad that he doesn't get more recognition.

well i suppose curious got smacked out of consecutive code S by losing to hero 0-4 and seed 1-4 so maybe? haha i dno


The results I was talking about are way more recent than the ones you're bringing up. I agree that he falters in Code S, but recently in non-Code S matches against top ZvP players, he's been looking very strong.
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Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
August 20 2012 06:28 GMT
#45
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Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
August 20 2012 06:30 GMT
#46
I used to like you WaxAngel. then you wrote Jaedong would get 2-0d.
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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
August 20 2012 06:33 GMT
#47
Roro, kill him.
DarkSworn
Profile Joined August 2012
United States15 Posts
August 20 2012 07:15 GMT
#48
yea i still think Jaedong is gona take the whole tournament, that's why MVP went to IEM
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 20 2012 07:26 GMT
#49
On August 20 2012 14:47 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 14:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see


genius is very inconsistent and can be both good and bad, squirtle on the other hand is always consistently good. thats why squirtle losing is more of a upset

Before Genius' match he was called lazy, but consistent. I dont know where that inconsistent talk comes from. That guy has been in Code S soo many times in a row, always being the same level. Squirtle results have been way more wackey than Genius'.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 20 2012 07:43 GMT
#50
On August 20 2012 16:26 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 14:47 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 20 2012 14:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see


genius is very inconsistent and can be both good and bad, squirtle on the other hand is always consistently good. thats why squirtle losing is more of a upset

Before Genius' match he was called lazy, but consistent. I dont know where that inconsistent talk comes from. That guy has been in Code S soo many times in a row, always being the same level. Squirtle results have been way more wackey than Genius'.


ever since squirtle's breakout 2 GSLs ago, he has been performing better than genius constantly, genius became inconsistent after his runner up 3 seasons ago..
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Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
August 20 2012 07:51 GMT
#51
On August 20 2012 16:26 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 14:47 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 20 2012 14:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see


genius is very inconsistent and can be both good and bad, squirtle on the other hand is always consistently good. thats why squirtle losing is more of a upset

Before Genius' match he was called lazy, but consistent. I dont know where that inconsistent talk comes from. That guy has been in Code S soo many times in a row, always being the same level. Squirtle results have been way more wackey than Genius'.


Hmm, I know what you mean, but I do feel like Squirtle losing would be a much bigger upset. I'm not sure what it is, but Squirtle just seems like such a badass that I wouldn't expect him to lose to just anyone (not saying Roro is just anyone) yet something about Genius, perhaps his mixture of laziness and cockiness, makes me not surprised for Genius to lose to anyone, despite his past results.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 07:57:38
August 20 2012 07:53 GMT
#52
On August 20 2012 16:26 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 14:47 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 20 2012 14:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see


genius is very inconsistent and can be both good and bad, squirtle on the other hand is always consistently good. thats why squirtle losing is more of a upset

Before Genius' match he was called lazy, but consistent. I dont know where that inconsistent talk comes from. That guy has been in Code S soo many times in a row, always being the same level. Squirtle results have been way more wackey than Genius'.


Lol no one is truly consistent in SC2, I don't really even know what that term is supposed to mean at this point. The thing is that players who are Code S regulars are still pretty inconsistent inside of Code S, if you look at specific instances of their play. For example, Nestea might be "consistently" in Code S, but he doesn't consistently perform well at all - for example, his absolutely horrendous play against HuK a while ago in which he threw away a completely won game, or even his getting stomped at the hands of Byun in the most recent quarterfinals (Byun played well, but Nestea certainly didn't make it very hard for him, to say the least). Genius in turn looked brilliant in his finals run, but has gone out relatively early in Code S since then. Squirtle also went out in the Ro16 of the most recent Code S, but his group was, to be fair, the group of death, with MC, MKP, and Symbol (right when Symbol was running hot off of his ridiculous GSTL performances), a far harder group than any of the groups that Genius went out in IMO.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 20 2012 08:02 GMT
#53
On August 20 2012 16:53 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 16:26 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On August 20 2012 14:47 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 20 2012 14:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I actually dont see why Squirtle losing to Roro should be more of an upset than Genius losing. :/ Oh well, we will see


genius is very inconsistent and can be both good and bad, squirtle on the other hand is always consistently good. thats why squirtle losing is more of a upset

Before Genius' match he was called lazy, but consistent. I dont know where that inconsistent talk comes from. That guy has been in Code S soo many times in a row, always being the same level. Squirtle results have been way more wackey than Genius'.


Lol no one is truly consistent in SC2, I don't really even know what that term is supposed to mean at this point. The thing is that players who are Code S regulars are still pretty inconsistent inside of Code S, if you look at specific instances of their play. For example, Nestea might be "consistently" in Code S, but he doesn't consistently perform well at all - for example, his absolutely horrendous play against HuK a while ago in which he threw away a completely won game, or even his getting stomped at the hands of Byun in the most recent quarterfinals (Byun played well, but Nestea certainly didn't make it very hard for him, to say the least). Genius in turn looked brilliant in his finals run, but has gone out relatively early in Code S since then. Squirtle also went out in the Ro16 of the most recent Code S, but his group was, to be fair, the group of death, with MC, MKP, and Symbol (right when Symbol was running hot off of his ridiculous GSTL performances), a far harder group than any of the groups that Genius went out in IMO.


Mvp has been consistently winning major tournament since he started playing. He already won 2 major tournaments this year. Consistency doesn't mean you have to win every single match. SC2 pros have to play so many games.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 08:07:23
August 20 2012 08:04 GMT
#54
If we want to talk about consistency I think prize money is a good way to see who is consistent, the players who have been winning the most for the longest are at the top while hotter new players are no where near them. The only exception is Fruitdealer who won pretty much all of his money from one GSL season. ( and is still in the top 10 of earnings @_@ )
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 20 2012 08:15 GMT
#55
Seed seed seed
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 08:21:54
August 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#56
Jaedong shall crush Rain! How can one predict a loss of JD?
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 20 2012 09:08 GMT
#57
Polt fighting!
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 20 2012 09:10 GMT
#58
On August 20 2012 17:04 Dodgin wrote:
If we want to talk about consistency I think prize money is a good way to see who is consistent, the players who have been winning the most for the longest are at the top while hotter new players are no where near them. The only exception is Fruitdealer who won pretty much all of his money from one GSL season. ( and is still in the top 10 of earnings @_@ )


Prize money can be a good metric for judging consistency... but it all depends on how you define what you mean by consistency. Even players like MVP and MC, despite winning shitloads of prize money, still have certain games where they just look terrible. Even though players do play tons of games and no one is going to win all their games, I don't think there's a player who is consistently able to look scary even when he loses. But my standards for what I think consistency means are very likely too high, so eh.
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Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
August 20 2012 09:19 GMT
#59
Elephant will die ! I want jaedong to win though!:<
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6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 20 2012 09:45 GMT
#60
Roro is a surprise.
Polt and Curious will win.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 20 2012 09:46 GMT
#61
On August 20 2012 18:45 6NR wrote:
Roro is a surprise.
Polt and Curious will win.


that anti-timing
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 20 2012 11:14 GMT
#62
"Curious might get called the player with the least emotion out of anyone in the world, but what about his teammate Squirtle?"

The very first time I ever see Squirtle, he's smiling and laughing and stuff.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6860 Posts
August 20 2012 11:28 GMT
#63
wow, predicitions are really off, didn't expect that
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 20 2012 12:02 GMT
#64
Go Jaedong!
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Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 20 2012 12:52 GMT
#65
On August 20 2012 11:37 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I just hope that the TL prediction curse hits Polt this time.

no way seed may be the best in the world right now
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Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
August 20 2012 13:55 GMT
#66
Jaedong playing tonight?!?! Best birthday present I can ask for!
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Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
August 20 2012 15:12 GMT
#67
Seed, Squirtle, Puzzle, and Parting (disagree with Curious there).

Rain isn't the same Rain as the one on Fnatic?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10111 Posts
August 20 2012 15:17 GMT
#68
On August 20 2012 12:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Shoot that elephant in the head.

Please, let us keep our happy little world together >.<

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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 20 2012 16:09 GMT
#69
On August 21 2012 00:12 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Seed, Squirtle, Puzzle, and Parting (disagree with Curious there).

Rain isn't the same Rain as the one on Fnatic?


matches have already happened when u posted lol, seed squirtle creator parting and by.rain won. this rain btw is a kespa player from the team skt1, he is better known as by.sun or by.rain. fnatic rain is a different player altogether
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Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
August 20 2012 17:21 GMT
#70
Seed is going to take this. He's way on top of his game right now.
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Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
August 20 2012 17:55 GMT
#71
I think Seed, Creator, Parting, Squirtle, and Rain will take this.

Man, I'm feeling pretty confident about this one!
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 20 2012 18:15 GMT
#72
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KoN_Toaster
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland4 Posts
August 20 2012 19:21 GMT
#73
If Jaedong destroys a goddamn 2nd placed gsl 2 season toss (Genius), you're supposed to respect him a lot more. The ones who wrote this should probably check Jaedongs latest replays again before writing such gibberish. 2-0 for Jaedong.
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Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 20:18:11
August 20 2012 20:18 GMT
#74
On August 20 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 11:52 opterown wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:51 Fionn wrote:
On August 20 2012 11:49 hnim wrote:
Hottest Terran in the world not named Taeja? What about the guy who just won IEM?


Polt beat him.

mkp 3-0'd polt fairly recently


MKP lost to horror.

Therefor Horror > MVP?
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 20 2012 20:44 GMT
#75
Idra beat mkp, ergo: Idra first SC2 bonjwa!?
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chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
August 20 2012 23:10 GMT
#76
lets go Seed and Squirtle! :D
sinigang
Profile Joined August 2012
360 Posts
August 20 2012 23:53 GMT
#77
On August 21 2012 04:21 KoN_Toaster wrote:
If Jaedong destroys a goddamn 2nd placed gsl 2 season toss (Genius), you're supposed to respect him a lot more. The ones who wrote this should probably check Jaedongs latest replays again before writing such gibberish. 2-0 for Jaedong.


rain 2-0'ed jaedong.
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