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InVerno
Profile Joined May 2011
258 Posts
July 15 2012 09:54 GMT
#61
On July 15 2012 10:27 Seluance wrote:
I am starting to get particularly frustrated at how no caster gives Stephano the credit specifically for things he does to win games. I'll get more in to this later on.

I'm also starting to get agitated by casters calling Stephano 'amazing' for a split second and always saying 'I don't know how he does it' without actually giving him the credit he deserves: actually analyzing why he is so brilliant.

The last thing that frustrates me is unrelated and a personal thing, which is Artosis who usually gives credit where credit is due when it comes to amazing Starcraft, but I've never seen him fanboy up to Stephano who I consider the most intelligent zerg on the planet, though I do think Symbol does some things better.

Why is it that no caster actually analyzes or gives anything more than a passing comment to the way Stephano engages his army in every single game. There is no player to ever exist in Starcraft II that engages their army as well as Stephano does. He spends ages baiting armies so he gets better positioning or spends ages not attacking because the outcome of the fight would be uncertain were he to engage.

Also, Stephano's decision making is leagues above anyone else, in that he understands when he should be making units, when he should be collecting larva due to the uncertainty of what the enemy is doing, or switching unit compositions drastically and fluently (even more fluently than Symbol).

Though in the end, despite people glorifying Stephano's lack of practice whilst being so good, I get the feeling when I watch him that he actually doesn't practice as much as he should, though I don't understand where this feeling comes from because rationally it isn't justified, but it is a strong feeling and strong enough for myself to justify writing this.

It is just something that annoys me, that there isn't caster that ever actually explains why what Stephano is doing is brilliant as opposed to making shallow remarks like 'amazing' or 'I don't understand how he just did that!', even though I can clearly see the underlying reason why what Stephano did was amazing decision making even though my game knowledge pretty much blows in comparison to these casters. This isn't just directed at Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam, but all the other casters from major events too.


Nice Fungal !
Linog[e]
Profile Joined April 2012
59 Posts
July 15 2012 10:20 GMT
#62
GOGO Rockstar !
'Now you’re in the world of the wolves And we welcome all you sheep'
Hds
Profile Joined July 2011
France200 Posts
July 15 2012 10:57 GMT
#63
HuK, so disappointing, I don't expect anything from him anymore, why is he so bad in every tournament now...Even lost to Scarlett, isn't it? A semi pro for me
Watily! ♥
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 11:26:30
July 15 2012 11:22 GMT
#64
um nevermind, have to work tommorow ;(
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
July 15 2012 11:31 GMT
#65
Gotta love Stephano! As he usually takes one or two tourneys to adjust and prepare for specific korean top pros ( Polt, Mc..) and Alicia is a very intelligent player, the finals could still be very interesting.

I also think that people missjudge Stephano's training methods. Partly because he wants them to missjudge in order to start from a seamingly weak position into a tourney. Instead of practicing 8 hours a day only to boast about korean practice times he seems to deliberatly prepare for specific opponents. Opponents of which he said, he can only really train new ideas on in a real tournanement. But boy does he come with a good understanding of those opponents play in the following tournament!
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 15 2012 11:33 GMT
#66
On July 15 2012 19:57 Hds wrote:
HuK, so disappointing, I don't expect anything from him anymore, why is he so bad in every tournament now...Even lost to Scarlett, isn't it? A semi pro for me

He did really well at the last DH. Only getting knocked out by Stephano
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Asza
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark45 Posts
July 15 2012 11:46 GMT
#67
When is the grand final CET?
zajeBEASTY
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland40 Posts
July 15 2012 11:47 GMT
#68
Stephano ftw!!! Go go and kill Alicia!!!
http://www.duchprawdy.com/poemat.htm / http://www.valtorta.org/the_poem__freeonlinereadingoffer.asp - Poemat Boga-Człowieka / Poem of the Man-God
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
July 15 2012 12:07 GMT
#69
On July 15 2012 19:57 Hds wrote:
HuK, so disappointing, I don't expect anything from him anymore, why is he so bad in every tournament now...Even lost to Scarlett, isn't it? A semi pro for me

Well HuK isn't ahead with his good unitcontrol anymore and his results will decline even more. The players that create new strategies are the ones now that leads the metagame beacause all the pros at toplevel have quite similar multitasking and micro.
Stork protoss legend
Sayanshaka
Profile Joined November 2011
France6 Posts
July 15 2012 12:22 GMT
#70
Stephano.
no thanks
Skaminator
Profile Joined October 2011
112 Posts
July 15 2012 12:23 GMT
#71
Im more amazed how Stephano gets to play his best matchup like all the time.
nemahsys
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada457 Posts
July 15 2012 12:58 GMT
#72
On July 15 2012 19:57 Hds wrote:
HuK, so disappointing, I don't expect anything from him anymore, why is he so bad in every tournament now...Even lost to Scarlett, isn't it? A semi pro for me



I despise fairweather fans
DJ Wheat, if you read this, plz get Lo3 back on itunes stat!
darczed
Profile Joined March 2012
Serbia10 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 13:33:22
July 15 2012 13:30 GMT
#73
I was searching for grand finals schedule in calendar section , but its in upper right corner >.>
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 15 2012 14:30 GMT
#74
On July 15 2012 21:07 InDaHouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 19:57 Hds wrote:
HuK, so disappointing, I don't expect anything from him anymore, why is he so bad in every tournament now...Even lost to Scarlett, isn't it? A semi pro for me

Well HuK isn't ahead with his good unitcontrol anymore and his results will decline even more. The players that create new strategies are the ones now that leads the metagame beacause all the pros at toplevel have quite similar multitasking and micro.


True, I think it has been this for HuK all his career also in SC2, reliying on his awesome micro. But even I can see from a master perspective that some of his build orders are rather coinflippy and not always as refined as they could be.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
July 15 2012 14:55 GMT
#75
I'm not exactly sure how Huk was so good in 2011. His PvP was definitely tremendous, see Orlando and previous. I think there is some credence to claims of him having PvP roads to finals, though I'm not too sure. The reason for my confusion is his, frankly horrible builds in some MUs, namely vs T and vs Z. Not all the time, but often he plays really sloppily.
Mettyman
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark132 Posts
July 15 2012 15:26 GMT
#76
On July 15 2012 04:35 EmpireEraser wrote:
MC is going to destroy Stephano.


You were saying?
stardin
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel88 Posts
July 15 2012 15:34 GMT
#77
I am starting to get particularly frustrated at how no caster gives Stephano the credit specifically for things he does to win games. I'll get more in to this later on.

I'm also starting to get agitated by casters calling Stephano 'amazing' for a split second and always saying 'I don't know how he does it' without actually giving him the credit he deserves: actually analyzing why he is so brilliant.

The last thing that frustrates me is unrelated and a personal thing, which is Artosis who usually gives credit where credit is due when it comes to amazing Starcraft, but I've never seen him fanboy up to Stephano who I consider the most intelligent zerg on the planet, though I do think Symbol does some things better.

Why is it that no caster actually analyzes or gives anything more than a passing comment to the way Stephano engages his army in every single game. There is no player to ever exist in Starcraft II that engages their army as well as Stephano does. He spends ages baiting armies so he gets better positioning or spends ages not attacking because the outcome of the fight would be uncertain were he to engage.

Also, Stephano's decision making is leagues above anyone else, in that he understands when he should be making units, when he should be collecting larva due to the uncertainty of what the enemy is doing, or switching unit compositions drastically and fluently (even more fluently than Symbol).

Though in the end, despite people glorifying Stephano's lack of practice whilst being so good, I get the feeling when I watch him that he actually doesn't practice as much as he should, though I don't understand where this feeling comes from because rationally it isn't justified, but it is a strong feeling and strong enough for myself to justify writing this.

It is just something that annoys me, that there isn't caster that ever actually explains why what Stephano is doing is brilliant as opposed to making shallow remarks like 'amazing' or 'I don't understand how he just did that!', even though I can clearly see the underlying reason why what Stephano did was amazing decision making even though my game knowledge pretty much blows in comparison to these casters. This isn't just directed at Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam, but all the other casters from major events too.


Bitterdam specifically dont know jack shit about casting, all they do is yell and complain and glorify the things that are going on at the same moment as force fields or units moving or a unit about to pop out. Never any analysis of whats going on in the background really.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 15 2012 15:51 GMT
#78
I'm fairly sure they know slightly more than jack shit. A caster who continues to receive work and money but doesn't know anything!? It's a con tra dict ion!
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
July 15 2012 16:09 GMT
#79
On July 16 2012 00:51 Probe1 wrote:
I'm fairly sure they know slightly more than jack shit. A caster who continues to receive work and money but doesn't know anything!? It's a con tra dict ion!

Although I disagree with the poster above you, I have to disagree here. Getting money to do something doesn't necessarily mean you're good at it (not implying that BitterDam are ná here at all).
CatfooD
Profile Joined April 2010
United States203 Posts
July 15 2012 17:38 GMT
#80
On July 16 2012 01:09 Gumbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 00:51 Probe1 wrote:
I'm fairly sure they know slightly more than jack shit. A caster who continues to receive work and money but doesn't know anything!? It's a con tra dict ion!

Although I disagree with the poster above you, I have to disagree here. Getting money to do something doesn't necessarily mean you're good at it (not implying that BitterDam are ná here at all).


Right. Getting money to do something just means you are marketable. Like all these shit young pop artists that can't hold a tune or sing that well, yet get so much funding because they are marketable in the game of popularity.
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