No offense, but when we start considering foreigner performances good when they win a couple BO3s, then its starting to get really bad. They may have been performing well relative to other tournaments, but that doesn't mean they were good overall.

Too_MuchZerg

Finland2818 Posts

April 20 2012 12:44 GMT

#62

Perhaps Open bracket should have so called "Streaming checkpoints". Rules states that (needs to different languages enough that everybody understands) admin gives permission to continue bracket until next checkpoint. Those checkpoints are handpicked to predict possible good match beforehand and updated while tournament goes on. This way better matches are shown more often and non liked matches gets taken out. Tournament might get little bit slower but...

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

April 20 2012 12:44 GMT

#63

This is such a brilliant article. I hope IPL and other tournaments read it and learn from it, because there is so much valuable info in here.

We're going to try and do more opinion articles in the future. It might be there will be some disagreement over the content occasionally, but regardless we consider it a positive development to put articles like this out there.

See.Blue

United States2673 Posts

April 20 2012 12:45 GMT

#64

I never understood why people cared so much about foreigners. I'm happy they had great players, full stop. No one cared in BW that there hadn't been a relevant foreigner in years, why is it a big deal here? I just wanna see great play

Moonalisa

Sweden15 Posts

April 20 2012 12:47 GMT

#65

Many of the best foreginers were not participating in the event, basically most of the europeans.

bbm

United Kingdom1320 Posts

April 20 2012 12:49 GMT

#66

On April 20 2012 21:29 Irre wrote:
If you are a fan of sc2 you should want to see the top level play, from WHOEVER is playing it.

Don't be silly. You support your home teams. Back when I followed football I supported my local football team, not because they're the best (and believe me they weren't), but because they were local. Because they were from where I was from.

choe

Germany86 Posts

April 20 2012 12:53 GMT

#67

wow, i thought ipl4 was a rly bad tournament as far as organisation and streaming goes. and finally some true words here! and not just the usual, "best event ever blablablabla"

hope you stay that honest!

SiegeFlank

United States410 Posts

April 20 2012 12:54 GMT

#68

Really well-crafted and constructive article, I have to completely agree. For the stories of Scarlett and Illusion to not get coverage on stream is totally unacceptable.

Would definitely like to see more opinion pieces like this in the future, well done!

RPR_Tempest

Australia7798 Posts

April 20 2012 12:56 GMT

#69

Very nice article. I agree wholeheartedly.

ReboundEU

508 Posts

April 20 2012 12:59 GMT

#70

On April 20 2012 20:16 DidYuhim wrote:
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Foreigners winning against Koreans.

Altho pretty old, that gif never fails to make me ROFL

@Article...yea i fully agree. It was like watching an English-dubbed GSL. That's why i even got borred watching it to be honest. Even if the games were amazing, having seen a very small amount of foreigners made it very dull. Part of the competition beauty is Foreigners vs Koreans. If u show just Koreans u literally show half the competition.

Ringall

Finland177 Posts

April 20 2012 12:59 GMT

#71

Good!
So happy that this topic was put up for discussion again :3
Illusion is on the roll, and we will see more of him soon.

OopsOopsBaby

Singapore3425 Posts

April 20 2012 13:01 GMT

#72

isnt illusion korean american?

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

April 20 2012 13:06 GMT

#73

On April 20 2012 22:01 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
isnt illusion korean american?

shhh take whatever you can get

Full.tilt

United Kingdom1709 Posts

April 20 2012 13:07 GMT

#74

Great write up.

Regarding the stream: I don't see why it's so difficult to jump in and out of matches selecting whichever player is in great form to show on stream. I can understand why they have to have a running order for the main stage but on the secondary stream things should be much more fluid and not just simply selecting the biggest names.

I can also understand people simply replying "just want to see the best play" but that's what the primary stream is for, events should take advantage of secondary streams to show more of the field. After all if you just want to see the best then watch the primary stream, it shouldn't bother you what is on the secondary streams because you can't properly watch both at the same time.

Also I don't think there should be any limit or restrictions on who can enter a tournament, maybe region locked qualifiers for group stage depending on the tournament, but in the case of an open bracket the organisers should not arbitrarily spread them throughout the bracket, literally seeding them, which is completely unfair. Random or maybe even have a separate open bracket, which is more extreme and is probably as bad in practice as filtering them throughout the entire open bracket.

Delwack

123 Posts

April 20 2012 13:15 GMT

#75

This really helps to put IPL 4 in perspective for the foreign tournament. I knew the production, game choice and other details were being handled very poorly as I watching it, but I didn't realize exactly how much it was affecting the perception of the tournament. I got the sense that IPL was understaffed in some key areas, it was reflected in their failure to be on top of the developing storylines and take advantage of them.

I'm looking forward to seeing more opinion articles that help present a new thoughtful perspective.

Alacast

United States205 Posts

April 20 2012 13:17 GMT

#76

As a viewer, I was happy to see such high level games, but it got stale seeing the same people come up over and over again. I would have preferred to see more of the open bracket, but I think they were severely limited by only having two streams. I was paying pretty close attention to the open bracket via liquipedia, so I was actually pretty aware of the foreigner success throughout the tourney. It is, however, inexcusable for the organizers of the event, knowing full-well that a majority of people want to see foreigners play, to ignore their viewers' desires and stay fixed to a rigid streaming schedule.

Illusion fighting.

Vul

United States685 Posts

April 20 2012 13:21 GMT

#77

On April 20 2012 21:49 bbm wrote:

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I see what you mean, but I don't think it can work out that way for SC2 in the U.S. There aren't local Starcraft teams as in sports--there are only a few well-known American SC2 players and this is a continent-sized country. There's no real opportunity to see famous players locally unless a major tournament happens to be scheduled in your city.

TheSubtleArt

Canada2527 Posts

April 20 2012 13:21 GMT

#78

Funny how Scarlett beats 2 players and gets a 130+ page fanclub, while people like Illusion or Ostojiy (who beat Golden and Puma in Bo3s at MLG) go largely unnoticed.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

April 20 2012 13:24 GMT

#79

Nice to see another opinion article, love these and It's been a while.

I'm glad you put this out there because I felt exactly the same way about ipl4, it could have been so much better.

Aunvilgod

2653 Posts

April 20 2012 13:27 GMT

#80

The problem is that people will not watch games on a lower level than they are used to. If MLG would start limiting the koreans only a few games would be really exciting (Korea vs. Korea/Stephano/Huk/Naniwa) and the rest would be some foreigner getting rolled by koreans or two foreigners which just produce lesser games.

The only way out is in my opinion: Foreigners, get better. I don´t care how, just do it. The koreans are not more intelligent than you.

Actually I have to admit that I hardly give a shit about the nationality of the players.