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[GSL] Code-S August Semi-final Preview
September 5th, 2011 04:34 GMT
Code-S RO4 Preview Happy Birthday, Global Starcraft 2 League!Let's not sugar coat it too much here, you gotta admit it's been one tumultuous year. I mean, come on, you actually messed up your own birthday party. The stream's been iffy at times, the format's constantly questioned, and you even found a way to get criticized for your international politics. In other words, you haven't been ashamed to show you're new at this thing. But you know what? That's okay. Because you guys ARE new to this, and so are the rest of us. We're all learning this s*** together, and what you guys have achieved in one year is incredible. I'll refrain from making a long list, and cut to the most important thing. You guys have given progamers a real goal. It is extraordinarily difficult to give a tournament prestige, but GomTV has succeeded in making a tournament that is THE end goal of all pro-gaming activities. While there are countless SC2 tournaments in the world, there is immense value in having a single tournament at the pinnacle. Progamers are hyper-competitive beings. Their entire careers revolve around trying to be the very best. When progamers can aim for a tournament that will prove their undisputed worth, one that they can win and confidently say "I am the best in the world," then we can see them at their highest level. Nestea's quest for perfection, Boxer's return to relevance, MC's salvation of Protoss, Huk's slow and steady rise... For all of these amazing stories of progaming; they didn't just happen in GSL. They happened because of it.
Semi-finals Preview
By: Fionn oGs.TOP
![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/Aug11/semi_top.jpg) Photograph by PlayXP
63-39 (61.76%), vT 34-20 (62.96%), vs. Optimus 5-3 "Hey, do you want to go out with me?"
"Well, TOP, you're nice and all, but I already got asked by MVP, Optimus and July."
"Aren't I just as good as them!? I won Code A a few months ago!"
"MVP has won two GSL's and a MLG."
"...But...I have a winning record against Optimus."
"He won the Super Tournament by beating you in the semifinals. He also won $100,000. How much did you get for winning Code A? $50? $50 and a GOM t-shirt?"
"July hasn't even won anything yet in Starcraft 2. At least I'm better than him, right?"
"He's motherf***ing July. He has a golden mouse. Where is your golden mouse, TOP?"
"...Oh...okay..."That sums up TOP. He's the boy that always shows great games and has some nice accomplishments, but hasn't been considered a real threat yet to grab a title. If you want proof, look at the TeamLiquid poll on who the community thinks is going to win the GSL. TOP is behind two guys who got eliminated a week ago and is trailing the other three semifinalists by thousands of votes. Don't get the wrong idea, though. TOP is a very, very good player and has been for a long time. He won the first Code A championship and has been in Code S ever since. Not only has he stayed in Code S, but he's been impressive in almost all the tournaments he has been apart of. Let's look at his past GSL performances to see how good TOP is. First season in Code S: Starts out rocky by dropping games to Nada and HongUn, but at least beats TheWorst ( Editor's note: We know he's much better now, but the two season penalty we imposed on him during the super tournament still holds) before going to the Up-and-Down matches where he swept Rain. Second time in Code S: Gets out of the group phase for the first time by beating Byun and Rainbow. He then goes on to get into the quarterfinals by beating his own teammate Supernova in the round of sixteen. Sadly, he has to face Nada for the second straight Code S and gets bounced out. Super Tournament: TOP has an amazing run. He starts off by romping August and follows it up by taking out Choya. Then, in the round of sixteen, he is put against the defending champion, the God of Zerg, Nestea. Most expected him to lose, but TOP pulled it out with some tricky builds and nicely timed hellion attacks. After beating Nestea, he took down Line in a dramatic 3-2 series. Finally, in the semifinals, he faced Optimus and had him on the ropes. Behind 1-2 in the fourth game, Optimus pulled out a genius timing attack, sandwiching TOP's army and somehow forcing a fifth game. Obviously shaken, TOP fell apart in the last game and was eliminated. Optimus would then go on and win the finals in dominating fashion, beating MMA 4-0. His next Code S try: Gets out of the group phase once more by beating FruitDealer and Virus. He then has to go up against Losira who he lost to in a close 2-1 series. Losira would then go on and make it into the finals before getting destroyed by Nestea. That leads us to where we are now with TOP. He's in another semifinal and close to his first big final with the guy who beat him in his last semifinal standing in his way. He might not be favored to get into the Code S final, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he won the whole tournament. He's an amazingly solid player with the talent to be one of the best terrans in the world if he isn't already. TOP started his GSL career by facing Optimus in the second round of the first GSL Open. The result? TOP waltzed over Optimus and then, like he has so often, had to face one of the eventual finalists, FruitDealer, and lost 2-1. Can TOP finally get over the hump and reach the GSL finals? Is it his time to finally stop losing to finalists and become one himself? OptimusPrime.WE
![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/Aug11/semi_polt.jpg) Photograph by PlayXP
69-43 (61.61%), vT 34-27 (55.74%), vs. TOP 3-5What can Optimus do to be considered one of the best players in the world? Since February 25th, 2011, the day after he got the whole foreign community to hate him for saying Jinro got lucky to make two straight semifinals and then promptly getting his ass kicked by him, he has gone 51-21 with a 70.83% winning percentage. He won the biggest tournament in SC2 history by beating the heavy favorite MMA in a 4-0 stomping. He is second in Korean ELO and only trails Nestea in points. He's made his run through this GSL by having to play his worst match-up every single round. I used to hate this guy. I absolutely hated him. He was probably my most hated player after telling Jinro that he wasn't that good of a player and then looking like an idiot when Jinro wrecked him right after saying it. Whenever someone brought up that they thought he was alright or good, I would scoff and say that he would probably be in Code A before too long. Well, I was wrong. Even when he wasn't getting deep into tournaments, Polt, Optimus, Poltimus or whatever you want to call him, just wouldn't go away. When he was knocked out of Code S and looked like he might finally drop into the hell that is Code A and below, LiveForever quit playing Starcraft and a wildcard tournament was held to see who would stay around. Polt beat his teammate Maka, Moon and then Cezanne to keep his place in Code S. Polt was knocked down many times, but every time he would get right back up. After a while, he finally started to do well in Code S. He made his way out of the group stages for the first time after beating MC twice and shocking many who were watching. How the hell was PoltPrime beating MC!? This wasn't supposed to happen! He couldn't keep the momentum going in the next round, losing to sC in a close series (and good thing he lost or we would have never seen Nestea vs. sC in the semifinals), but it was the first time that it looked like there was more than meets the eye. Next up was the Super Tournament where he went through one of the hardest roads to win the biggest cash prize in Starcraft 2 history. Ro64: While some people got ButterflyEffect or LegalMind, Optimus drew Losira in the first round. It went to three games, but Optimus inched it out in the end and eliminated the Incredible Miracle zerg. Losira would then go on and make the finals the next Code S tournament. Ro32: Huk was the next person on the road to the title, and with Optimus' superb TvP, it wasn't a very close series. Optimus won 2-0, but Huk has seen success since the Super Tournament by making it to the quarterfinals twice in the past two GSL's. Ro16: In a team kill, Optimus had to go against Maka. This was the match that actually made me a total fan of the guy. Before this match, I was on the fence, but watching his micro in this series was just astounding. His bionic force in the third game was some of the prettiest micro I've ever seen in the GSL. Ro8: Alicia was the last protoss standing and was heralded for his great PvT. When they faced off, Optimus crushed him and it wasn't pretty. The most hyped quarterfinal match would have been the most lopsided series as well if it wasn't for a guy named The BestWorst facing MarineKing. Semifinals: Oh hey, it's TOP. One of the closest semifinals I've seen through the nine seasons. TOP had the series won in the fourth set, but Optimus' used his bionic timing attack to sandwich TOP's main army and pull even in the series. TOP tilted in the last set and made way for Optimus making the final. Grand Finals: We all know what happened. MMA was heavily favored. Optimus destroyed him. A lot of people still think MMA would have won if he hadn't been overworked with the MLG and GSTL before the finals, but Optimus outplayed him completely that day. After his title win, people still weren't sold on him. Some people were putting his wins more on his opponents playing badly then him playing well. This led to the July version of Code S where Optimus made it through the group stages again and then had to face Bomber in the round of sixteen. He lost in straight sets and once more, a lot of the community were saying how his title win must have been a fluke and he would fall off sooner or later. Now, in the present, Optimus has gone through the gauntlet. He was put into the group of champions with MC and MVP. He lost to MVP in the group stage, but beat Noblesse (who he picked due to wanting to get over weak TvT) twice to get into the round of sixteen. He would then meet his old friend MMA and beat him again, this time in a close 2-1 series. Keen was his quarterfinal opponent and beat him comfortably 3-1. He stated at the group ceremonies that he wanted to challenge himself by picking a terran and trying to make himself better in his weakest match-up. Well, whatever he wished, he has gotten in full. Every single game he's played this tournament has been against terran, and he might be looking at another terran in MVP if he makes it to the finals. Optimus might not wow you with amazing builds or new strategies, but just like TOP, he's solid. His timing attacks might be the best in the world, and he knows how to use his bionic units to the best of their ability. He can be behind for 90% of the game, but can think up an attack that turns the match on it's head in less than twenty seconds. So for all the haters that still hate Mr. Poltimus, continue to hate him. It makes him stronger. This robot is not fueled by gasoline, but by the hatred of people who think he isn't that good of a player. Oh, and his neck. His long neck is also a source of his power. ST_July
![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/Aug11/semi_july.jpg)
46-37 (55.42%), vT 22-13 (62.86%), vs. MVP 3-3Q: You prevented an all Terran Round of 4.
A: This will be good for practice, but doesn't 3 Terrans being in the Round of 4 show that it is a strong race? Also, my opponent MVP is very skilled. I won't just practice hard to beat him, I must practice to the point of death in order to win. This is why people love July. He knows that he might not be Nestea or one of the very top players in the world, but he will do anything in his power to get the victory. He doesn't believe that he is the best, but he wants to be the guy who beats the best people. Out of any of the finalists, July might want this title more than any of them. Optimus, TOP and MVP have all won at least some sort of GSL tournament. July made it to the Code S Grand Finals once, but got dismantled by MC when he got there. You can talk about how his creep spread isn't the best or how he's a little too aggressive at times, but July knows who he is. He is the God of War and he won't change his way of playing just because people don't think it's the best way to play. He won three OSL's in Brood War by being who he is, and he thinks he can win a GSL by being himself. Does July have any shot against MVP? Well, he won't be favored by any means, but it is his best match-up, and he did defeat him before in the GSL right after MVP had won his first championship. For July to win, he quite possibly will have to play his best series ever in the GSL. MVP is destroying everyone at the moment, and July didn't look at his best in his quarterfinal match against Ryung. Q: You will face MVP in the Round of 4.
A: My opponent is similar, but now I don't seem to have any advantage. I hope that people will be able to get excited about all the games in the Round of 4. The matchups seem worthy of being finals. If I can beat MVP, I should be able to win the tournament. Even though MVP is usually a better player than I am, I won't just accept that. But MVP is very strong, so the games will be difficult. In the end, July is going to have to make some magic. If he can get past MVP, then his confidence will be through the roof when he has to take on either Optimus or TOP in the finals. July knows that these chances don't come by too often, so I expect to see the best of July when he goes against MVP. MVP might have won MLG, have two GSL titles, and be on an incredible run, but this is the God of War. You don't mess around with the God of War. IMMvp
![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/Aug11/semi_mvp.jpg) Photograph by zemotion of team Infinity Seven
69-30 (69.70%), vZ 21-8 (72.41%), vs. July 3-3All you need to know about MVP is that he is undefeated in his last seven games. In those seven games? He beat Huk in commanding fashion and three players who have a combined six GSL title between them. Oh, and he also won MLG Anaheim and looks almost unstoppable at the moment. Can any of the final three players stop him? His supposed weakest match-up, against protoss, didn't matter at all when he faced Huk in the last round. Ever since qxc and Bomber beat him back-to-back in the GSTL, MVP has been on a war path by crushing everyone in his way. He got chosen by MC in the group stages and then made him regret that decision by beating him in the first game of the tournament. He would then go against Optimus, the only other terran champion beside himself, and beat him with superior macro and composition. Even after beating two champions in decisive fashion, he was given the 'gift' of facing his very own teammate, and defending champion, Nestea in the next round. He had beaten Nestea before to win his first ever GSL championship and did it again to move into the quarterfinals where he faced off against Huk. MVP is trying to duplicate Nestea's run last season where he went undefeated through the whole tournament, but while beating much tougher opponents than even Nestea had to go through. The only way MVP's road could have been tougher is if Mr. Chae forced him to face MC, Huk, Optimus and Nestea all at once. MVP is the clear favorite going into the semifinals. 52% of the community thinks he is going to win it all. The only negative he has going into his match against July is that he lost to him in the fifth GSL; that was also at a time where MVP looked unstoppable after winning his first championship the tournament before in a 4-0 mauling of poor MarineKing. If MVP plays at his best, it's hard to imagine he doesn't at least make the finals. July is a great player and has more experience, but that can only take you so far. MVP is walking up the steps to his throne, and he can become the king of terran once more if he can discard of July and beat either Optimus or TOP in the finals. MVP has had four seasons of disappointment since beating MarineKing in the World Championships, but this is his chance to reclaim the crown that he wore so proudly months back with MC (whose crown is now split in two and crumbling) and Nestea. Nestea has three championships and MVP doesn't want to be left behind. July, TOP and Optimus better play the series of their lives, because at the moment, MVP doesn't look like he can be beat. Nestea won thirteen games straight to win the title last season. Can MVP upstage him by winning fourteen straight this season? Only time will tell, but let's hope Artosis doesn't put the curse on him before he can do it. Fionn's Predictions:
Optimus 3 - 2 TOP MVP 3 - 1 July Viewer Polls Liquibet: TeamLiquid's very own system where users guess the winner to earn points. Highly susceptible to "voting from the heart syndrome." GomTV Poll: A poll on GomTV's Korean website where fans can vote on who they think will win the match. No stakes. PlayXP Toto: A virtual betting system run by the Korean community site PlayXP.com. PlayXP users can bet points on the players, while the odds on the players shift constantly to try attempt to draw equal betting on both sides. Odds listed below are in decimal format.* Odds and numbers accurate as of September 4th 2PM EST.![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/Aug11/optimustopgraph.png) Odds Polt: 1.59 TOP: 2.52 ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/Aug11/mvpjulygraph.png) Odds MVP: 1.52 July: 2.7
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Sad there won't be any Protoss to watch, but I guess I still get to watch MVP own it up :3
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A correction for July vs Mvp, Mvp beat him 3-1 at the WC i think.
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MVP! MVP! MVP! (lol, no Protoss D: )
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The people at GOM seem to really love TOP
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good article man i can't believe how lopsided those graphs are though holy shit!
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Love your previews Fionn. And just in time too. Even though you're pretty new on the SC2 writing staff (I think) I find your pieces to be among the best there are. 1 fix for you though. MVP and July faced each other in the GSL World Championship and beat him 3-1 so you should correct their head to head record to 3-3.
The disparity in the graphs for Polt vs TOP are very startling. Foreigners really like Polt and Koreans really like TOP.
Oh and
Oh, and his neck. His long neck is also a source of his power.
Cannot unsee
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great work and awesome writeup! can't wait for tonight!
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On September 05 2011 13:39 Ghostfoot wrote: A correction for July vs Mvp, Mvp beat him 3-1 at the WC i think.
You are correct. For some reason I didn't remember that match/searched TLPD incorrectly.
You get +10 points.
Edit: Found the problem. The World Championship GSL was under the International section and not the Korean.
Also Polt/Optimus/Poltimus/Marauder King is second in Korean ELO. MVP is third.
I believe Optimus is 4th in GSL ranking with MVP second.
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quick question, isn't Mvp second in GSL ranking, not Optimus?
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PoltPrime roflstomps top and goes on to win the whole thing.
3-0
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Sick writeup, as usual! I'm going to be disappointed in the fact that I'll be asleep when it happens but I predict MVP over July decisively to say the least, and Polt will the series against Top. Polt is a consistent player in my opinion, and doesn't rely on a certain style to win that ends up changing through the meta game or patches, kind of like MKP. TOP is really solid as well though, so we'll have to see.
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The odds for TOP in the GomTV poll is the most mystifying thing I've ever seen in my life. What the?
Great preview. I'm hoping to see a Optimus vs July finals, but MVP is looking absolutely fantastic at the moment so its not looking good for July. I think you're totally right in saying that July's gonna have to play the hardest SC2 match of his life if he wants to be the victor.
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LOL at the TL poll vs the Korean poll. Guess us forigners think Optimus is better at TvT. Or maybe Koreans are overrating TOP)Or are we over rating Optmus?). IDK.
Great write up. Been waiting for this for a few hours now hehe.
Go July!!!!
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The GOM.tv poll for Optimus vs TOP confuses me. Would of thought Optimus was the favorite.
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what's up with gomtv's voting man
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Great writup.
My predictions are a Optimus/MVP final with MVP taking the whole tournament, though the opposite could happen. July is the master of "jank" and has defeated MVP before. Just because MVP is better doesn't mean July can't steal the series simply because he's July.
TOP has been an outside shot to win a GSL in my books for a very long time, so it really wouldn't surprise me if he at least made it to the final.
The thing I like most about these semifinals is though the winner of July/MVP should take the tournament, every player has a very solid chance, unlike last time where I automatically knew NesTea would win the second I saw MC punch in gg for the last time.
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On September 05 2011 13:54 taldarimAltar wrote: what's up with gomtv's voting man
Obviously Korean girls like TOP's cute look and metrosexual glasses while the foreigner girls like Optimus' long neck and scholar glasses.
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ahh thanks for clearing it up
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July! I believe in you! <3
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July Hungers! Let's go July!
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+ Show Spoiler +
O.O Wow the Korean's really don't like Polt lol.
I want MVP to win but I would love to see a TvZ final. I want the winner of July/MVP to win the tourney anyway!
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Yessss, can't wait to see July style all over MVP!
Will there be a way to watch this if the GomTV site isn't up, though...?
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GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them.
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Very nice article, this ro4 is going to be great! Hey, who knows, maybe we'll get a Top vs July finals  July fighting! I have faith.
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Its too bad july couldnt play top or polt in the semis and then we could have mvp and july in the finals. That would be sick
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I dont think ive ever really rooted for a zerg hardcore, but lets go July!!!!
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TOP vs. MVP finals. TOP is always counted out, but he's a really good player.
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On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them.
I don't think GomTV's audience majority are females. I guess it could be a combination of that and various other factors (such as how they may think Optimus' win in the finals was a fluke and he won over the fan favourite MMA).
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On September 05 2011 14:10 Meteora.GB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them. I don't think GomTV's audience majority are females. I guess it could be a combination of that and various other factors (such as how they may think Optimus' win in the finals was a fluke and he won over the fan favourite MMA).
That's probably a more accurate guess
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On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them. He is really cute to everyone.
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On September 05 2011 14:10 Meteora.GB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them. I don't think GomTV's audience majority are females. I guess it could be a combination of that and various other factors (such as how they may think Optimus' win in the finals was a fluke and he won over the fan favourite MMA). If people think it was a fluke they're wrong. Didn't help MMA when he gave an entire tournaments worth of his TvT matchup to Polt though.
A lot of people don't buy into the Polt hype though. Me included. He's really good, but he shouldn't be put on the level that he's put on. I can't see him as a Top 5 quality player.
TOP is underrated though. Polt/TOP goes 5 games imo and MVP probably rolls July.
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Optimus needs to rep the tag. If he gets to the finals versus MVP I think he could take this
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I think foreigners fail to realize just how strong Tops TvT is, especially compared to Polts TvT. I'll admit I haven't seen many of polts tvt's this season, but my money is still on Top to make his first finals only to lose to MVP in the same matchup I heralded him for. In my book Tops tvt is is the second best in the world, unfortunately if he makes the finals he'll have to play the number 1 TvTer MVP.
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gomtv poor statistics?
July ftw.
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What the hell I still don't like Polt. I read about half of his section before skimming through. Insulting Jinro cuts deep. Real deep.
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Nice article as always!
Go TOP and July! Underdogs fighting~ and also I think any final except this one would probably be one-sided as hell.
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Come on Artosis, we need your curse!
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OMG awesome write up.
Optimus might not wow you with amazing builds or new strategies, but just like TOP, he's solid. His timing attacks might be the best in the world, and he knows how to use his bionic units to the best of their ability. He can be behind for 90% of the game, but can think up an attack that turns the match on it's head in less than twenty seconds.
+1, Polt is exactly this kind of player.
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When I look at the 4 people left in this GSL, I see every one of them as contenders for the trophy. I want July or TOP to win this GSL to have a different champion
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Honestly I hope the gamers are horrible so maybe ... just maybe ... the finals will be really good :D
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I personally can't stand Polt. He's absolutely one of the best players in the world, and I respect him for it. But man, I just don't like him. I hope that TOP can pull off the win there.
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On September 05 2011 14:45 Ryncol wrote: I personally can't stand Polt. He's absolutely one of the best players in the world, and I respect him for it. But man, I just don't like him. I hope that TOP can pull off the win there.
Yeah he's so dislikeable with his...college-going and his...shiny forehead...??
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Great writeup as always, and i think the poll is favoured to top because he has a better record vs polt
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July not gonna win this one, it's GSL August!!!
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On September 05 2011 14:49 Ansalem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 14:45 Ryncol wrote: I personally can't stand Polt. He's absolutely one of the best players in the world, and I respect him for it. But man, I just don't like him. I hope that TOP can pull off the win there. Yeah he's so dislikeable with his...college-going and his...shiny forehead...??
Don't forget his neck, how could you not hate that? 
I'm pulling for Polt (so gosu and so handsome), but I do feel like MVP will take it, he's been looking so good lately.
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great hype. University Terran fighting!
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July would be the dark horse imo... pretty strong T line up there @@
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On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them.
GOmTV's studios are in a High School, and I believe Top has a lot of friends that go there, so when he plays the studio is usually pretty packed.
To be honest, Top rubs me the wrong way. He plays some really ugly games and relies on his macro to keep him alive. There was a game in his Code A run where he basically lost almost every single army engagement, but won in the end because after the last battle he remaxed faster.
I mean macro is as much of a skill as army control (I'm sure someone will go ahead and tell me it's harder and I might agree depending on the day), but relying on the opponent being unable to capitalize on your mistakes (donating your army) seems like a flimsy way to play.
I know, I'm being too hard on him and he doesn't do that *every* game. But it seems like there's always a game each series where he just does something really newbie (even in GSL 1, Day[9] described his game vs Fruitdealer as this - he had FD on the ropes, then waits until he builds not 3, but 15 Thors, then puts them on the one spot of the map where he can get surrounded and they get surrounded and die and he loses the deciding game).
I don't know why it bugs me so much, since most players do bone-headed things from time-to-time. I guess I'm more critical cuz he's always calling out Nada and losing to him (at least back it up when you're gonna do that!).
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This month's GSL coverage hasn't been the best but at least I can still look forward to Fionn's previews.
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On September 05 2011 15:12 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them. GOmTV's studios are in a High School, and I believe Top has a lot of friends that go there, so when he plays the studio is usually pretty packed.
Wait, the studio is in an high school?
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i hope there's another TvT finals
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On September 05 2011 15:12 Wuster wrote: To be honest, Top rubs me the wrong way. He plays some really ugly games and relies on his macro to keep him alive. There was a game in his Code A run where he basically lost almost every single army engagement, but won in the end because after the last battle he remaxed faster.
I mean macro is as much of a skill as army control (I'm sure someone will go ahead and tell me it's harder and I might agree depending on the day), but relying on the opponent being unable to capitalize on your mistakes (donating your army) seems like a flimsy way to play.
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I don't know why it bugs me so much, since most players do bone-headed things from time-to-time. I guess I'm more critical cuz he's always calling out Nada and losing to him (at least back it up when you're gonna do that!). If I didn't know you were talking about these semi-finals, I would've guessed you were describing Bomber, who plays the same way on certain days. Also, I haven't caught him calling out NaDa for anything, but if I had to guess, it could be because NaDa's macro is nowhere near as sound as TOP's -- NaDa still gets supply-blocked consistently in his games -- and also because ... they're teammates? Playful ribbing as well as having a deeper knowledge of NaDa's play than most other people probably explains his comments, whatever those comments are.
Anyways, I actually like Polt's play-style -- brutal timing attacks, what? -- but, as others have mentioned before, his shiny forehead gets to me. Also, he always seems to have a smug smirk on his face. Rubs me the wrong way.
I'm sure TOP got so many of the GOMTV votes because of his deep, manly voice. With FD out of Code S, he's the last one standing, man.
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On September 05 2011 13:53 ELlminator1 wrote: The GOM.tv poll for Optimus vs TOP confuses me. Would of thought Optimus was the favorite.
I think it's TOP's TvT. Anyways very nice write up. Looking forward to July playing!
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July, let's do this!
Tushin Fighting!
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On September 05 2011 15:25 Meteora.GB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 15:12 Wuster wrote:On September 05 2011 14:01 CrisisNOOB wrote: GomTV's voting is based off the fans right? If I remember correctly, TOP has a pretty big fanbase of girls because he's supposedly really cute to them. GOmTV's studios are in a High School, and I believe Top has a lot of friends that go there, so when he plays the studio is usually pretty packed. Wait, the studio is in an high school?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80483
So says the handy dandy travel guide. I think they also mentioned it one of the days when Top's friends flooded the studio, but I might have imagined that.
On September 05 2011 15:30 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 15:12 Wuster wrote: To be honest, Top rubs me the wrong way. He plays some really ugly games and relies on his macro to keep him alive. There was a game in his Code A run where he basically lost almost every single army engagement, but won in the end because after the last battle he remaxed faster.
I mean macro is as much of a skill as army control (I'm sure someone will go ahead and tell me it's harder and I might agree depending on the day), but relying on the opponent being unable to capitalize on your mistakes (donating your army) seems like a flimsy way to play.
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I don't know why it bugs me so much, since most players do bone-headed things from time-to-time. I guess I'm more critical cuz he's always calling out Nada and losing to him (at least back it up when you're gonna do that!). If I didn't know you were talking about these semi-finals, I would've guessed you were describing Bomber, who plays the same way on certain days. Also, I haven't caught him calling out NaDa for anything, but if I had to guess, it could be because NaDa's macro is nowhere near as sound as TOP's -- NaDa still gets supply-blocked consistently in his games -- and also because ... they're teammates? Playful ribbing as well as having a deeper knowledge of NaDa's play than most other people probably explains his comments, whatever those comments are. Anyways, I actually like Polt's play-style -- brutal timing attacks, what? -- but, as others have mentioned before, his shiny forehead gets to me. Also, he always seems to have a smug smirk on his face. Rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure TOP got so many of the GOMTV votes because of his deep, manly voice. With FD out of Code S, he's the last one standing, man.
Too true, Bomber is a really frustrating player to watch sometimes too =p.
For that matter so was Polt's TvT before he entered God-mode (or is it summer vacation?).
So ya, I just don't know why Top annoys me so much.
As for the Top-Nada ribbing, here's what I remember: He called out Nada during the group selections, normally teammates say we'll advance together, he said I'll take you out (Nada didn't pick him, someone else did)!
Then the next season, he called him out in the winners interview before playing Nada the next round.
He also mentioned in the interview that he measures himself against Nada, since he's his hyung and beaten him in the past, so he does respect him and all. And if I were more sympathetic to him, I'd feel bad that he can't get past Nada =p.
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I don't think it will happen but I sort of want a Polt vs July finals. I think between the two of them you'd get a ton of crazy builds built around timing attacks never before displayed or something ever weirder like neural parasited blue flame hellions wrecking a marine hellion army or something.
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Was the first part really necessary for a semi-finals preview?
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United Arab Emirates874 Posts
Gogo TOP!! <3 <3 Awesome writeup btw, I can't wait!!
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It's GSL, so the only possible final is Top vs MVP in a 4-0 one-sided slaughter.
Finals curse aside, It's an interesting set of players, MVP the clear favorite, Polt not far behind, Top is capable of upsets but his TvT in the past has just been throwing as many units away as possible and then just macroing better than his opponents which I'm not sure will happen vs Polt or MVP and then July, the eternal wildcard, if anyone was capable of upsetting MVP while he's on this rampage it's July.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Gogo july!!! i believe that july has been prepping nonstop for this matchup, since he only has to face terrans now, though MVP's strongest suit is TvZ. It might come down to the map themselves in this series. With TOP vs Polt, i want TOP to win since he does deserves it after such a long time reaching a GSL finals.
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I hope TOP wins it all. Why? Because he's so damn cute.
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Yeahhhhhhh, im seeing these as still being cursed by the GSL curse. Not much hope for a decent finals unless July goes god mode on MVP. But seeing as I haven't watched a game of GSL since last year my opinion is acturally less than worthless.
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I like all four players. Are you sure this is a GSL semi finals? =O
As I've said around, here's my guess for the winner from potential finals we might see:
- Polt v July - July - TOP v July - TOP - Polt v MVP - Too close tbh... - TOP v MVP - MVP
In a way I hope for Polt v MVP, but I do think any of the four above finals could be close. Of course, it's GSL so anything not 4-0 would give me a shock, and if anyone is going to deliver 4-0 it'll be MVP. Still, these finals have good potential to be good for a change. Don't worry about me jinx'ing it, GSL finals are already cursed =P
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No one who Liquibets ever watches the GSL T_T
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TOP is sooooooooo cute *o*
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July fighting! Go Sauron Zerg on MVP's ass!
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COME ON JULY
Please i hope he wins
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Will oGs finally have two GSL champions? We wait and see...
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Great writeup! Regret not LBing on TOP now though, but at least I bet on July :>
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wonder if gom.tv users knows more than teamliquid users.
i think we vote too much based on name recognition.
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Only time will tell, but let's hope Artosis doesn't put the curse on him before he can do it.
ROFL.
An internet sir, you just won one with this line.
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On September 05 2011 17:40 Gamegene wrote: wonder if gom.tv users knows more than teamliquid users.
i think we vote too much based on name recognition.
Maybe, but I think the playxp users know more than that gomtv users, so in the end TL was right after all ^^
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Read the following sentence in the most epic voice you can while listening to this: OptimusPrime vs. oGsTOP, the Revenge and IMMVP vs. StarTale_July, the Clash of Gods!
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On September 05 2011 18:03 Gary Oak wrote:Read the following sentence in the most epic voice you can while listening to this: OptimusPrime vs. oGsTOP, the Revenge and IMMVP vs. StarTale_July, the Clash of Gods! I read it in the japanese DBZ announcer deep-voice. Pretty epic, kept thinking to myself 'what will happen!"
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Well Artosis said it. MVP and OPTIMUS not winning GSL. <3 <3.
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Protoss so imba zomg so easy mode , Z and T need buff!!!! /sarcasm
gl to july !
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what the hell is up with top's votes on Gomtv :o
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MVP will win this with ease, he refuses to loses TvT which is half of the people left, his hardest match will be july and if that, i think he feels pretty good going into july after shutting down nestea
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What? Roaches had been changed to two supply long before GSL started. Long before release.
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Optimus/poltimus has to be my favorite terran ever. Sure, MMA and MVP, BoxeR, Ganzi Ryung Taeja and everybody else on the slayers team are all very admirable in their hard work and general awesomeness. But Polt is NEVER properly credited. He is always underrated, like, if Satan came to earth and threatened to destroy us and polt kicked him in the balls so badly he put is tail between his legs and went back to hell people would go: "Meh, kick in the balls is so all in and stupid"
If he then went on to win 40 GSL's not dropping a single game, people would still say he got lucky.
THAT is why Polt's my favorite terran.
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On September 05 2011 13:47 niwhsa wrote: quick question, isn't Mvp second in GSL ranking, not Optimus? He is, but GSL ranking is not Elo points.
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nice write up. Hoping for july.
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Fantastic Article - but I think MVP or Poltimus will take it down (my heart says July though)
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On September 05 2011 15:46 Dingobloo wrote: It's GSL, so the only possible final is Top vs MVP in a 4-0 one-sided slaughter.
I called the first part, lets see how the 2nd part goes.
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Well, hope july can take that, but .. idk, well, still WAAAAAAAARRRRRR JULY!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
GOMTV poll clearly has the right idea ^_^ /bow to GOMTV pollers
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+ Show Spoiler +the MVP 3-1 vs July prediction was pretty spot on. I love watching July win, but MVP toyed with him the whole series, especially the first two games looks like MVP is getting his third Xel'naga Artifact trophy
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Great series today. Good to watch
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Great write ups! I think that the July/MVP games should be awesome if July stays true to his interview.
Hoping for great things in the next two rounds.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
I forgot I had lb'd TOP. FUCK YEAH!
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On September 05 2011 19:43 marttorn wrote: Optimus/poltimus has to be my favorite terran ever. Sure, MMA and MVP, BoxeR, Ganzi Ryung Taeja and everybody else on the slayers team are all very admirable in their hard work and general awesomeness. But Polt is NEVER properly credited. He is always underrated, like, if Satan came to earth and threatened to destroy us and polt kicked him in the balls so badly he put is tail between his legs and went back to hell people would go: "Meh, kick in the balls is so all in and stupid"
If he then went on to win 40 GSL's not dropping a single game, people would still say he got lucky.
THAT is why Polt's my favorite terran.
-.- Really? I think Polt is well credited now. Its just some people don't really like him way back when because of the whole Jinro thing.
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go go go July! We know you can do it!
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:48 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 19:43 marttorn wrote: Optimus/poltimus has to be my favorite terran ever. Sure, MMA and MVP, BoxeR, Ganzi Ryung Taeja and everybody else on the slayers team are all very admirable in their hard work and general awesomeness. But Polt is NEVER properly credited. He is always underrated, like, if Satan came to earth and threatened to destroy us and polt kicked him in the balls so badly he put is tail between his legs and went back to hell people would go: "Meh, kick in the balls is so all in and stupid"
If he then went on to win 40 GSL's not dropping a single game, people would still say he got lucky.
THAT is why Polt's my favorite terran.
-.- Really? I think Polt is well credited now. Its just some people don't really like him way back when because of the whole Jinro thing. It's not even that. He has a very distinctive style which although very effective, can make Polt seem like a one-trick pony. He almost always relies on timing attacks to put him ahead sufficiently enough to cover his shortcomings in late-game mechanics/decision making. I'm not saying he's bad at it or anything, but there are many players with a better late-game. It just seems like he always finds ways to kill players before it gets to that point. Now, that's a perfectly legit way to play in SC2, but it doesn't really help him win fans.
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On September 06 2011 00:57 dzovan wrote:go go go July! We know you can do it!
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sad sad
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I have always been a fan of TOP, but man do Koreans hate Polt or what?
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July has it in him, I know he does, gogogo God of War, show everybody how good you are.
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Everyone knows that MVP is going to win. Just like everybody knew that Nestea was going to win the last one.
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im pretty sure that july and top will win so we dont get to see 2 champions in the finals
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July hwaiiiiting !!!
Everything but a TvT final plz T_T
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Can't wait for the semi-finals and especially for the finals, even though it will be a TvT.
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Wish July could have won to avoid the TvT finals, but I really expected MVP to pull through easily.
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Really happy for TOP, but I don't think he has the caliber that MVP does for a finals win. Who knows but.
I really enjoyed last night's games, July v MVP was particularly fierce. When he executed that ling/bling/muta timing attack, he sure looked like the God of War I remember 
I'll have to set up the TV for the finals!
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Either Koreans hate Polt or they see something TOP's play that most of TL don't. That poll is a strange one.
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damn, I missed this article... it would have been a nice read if semifinals hadn't occurred already. Hope they publish pre-match hype earlier in the future!
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On September 06 2011 01:24 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:48 CeriseCherries wrote:On September 05 2011 19:43 marttorn wrote: Optimus/poltimus has to be my favorite terran ever. Sure, MMA and MVP, BoxeR, Ganzi Ryung Taeja and everybody else on the slayers team are all very admirable in their hard work and general awesomeness. But Polt is NEVER properly credited. He is always underrated, like, if Satan came to earth and threatened to destroy us and polt kicked him in the balls so badly he put is tail between his legs and went back to hell people would go: "Meh, kick in the balls is so all in and stupid"
If he then went on to win 40 GSL's not dropping a single game, people would still say he got lucky.
THAT is why Polt's my favorite terran.
-.- Really? I think Polt is well credited now. Its just some people don't really like him way back when because of the whole Jinro thing. It's not even that. He has a very distinctive style which although very effective, can make Polt seem like a one-trick pony. He almost always relies on timing attacks to put him ahead sufficiently enough to cover his shortcomings in late-game mechanics/decision making. I'm not saying he's bad at it or anything, but there are many players with a better late-game. It just seems like he always finds ways to kill players before it gets to that point. Now, that's a perfectly legit way to play in SC2, but it doesn't really help him win fans. And yet a player like July has a legion of followers praising his game-sense and ability to recognize when to strike.
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+ Show Spoiler +Hey I went to bed when it was 2-1 MMa over July I'm assuming MMA won? Poor July 11/11 proxy ughghgh  (.
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On September 06 2011 18:48 SargonTheGreat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey I went to bed when it was 2-1 MMa over July I'm assuming MMA won? Poor July 11/11 proxy ughghgh  (.
+ Show Spoiler + What have you been smoking, MMA was beaten by Polt if I remember correctly. It's MVP vs July and if by MMA you mean MVP yes MVP did end up winning 3-1 over July.
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Go POLT! been a fan of polt since the 1st GSL (he had the builds!) Nice Ro4 but seeing 3 Terran makes me sad. I really appreciate the match ups vs Z & P oppose to the mirror matches...
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great write up like always
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TOP has amazing macro. This is the guy that you don’t know how he does it but he’s always got scv count up. The guy definitely belongs in the top level of players. He’s been doing it quietly for some time but it seems as if he’s refined his fundamentals and improved greatly in his builds/timings. I can easily see TOP making the finals. He’ll need great decision making to do so though.
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Awesome write up! Can you do a write up for code S August finals as well please!! >_<
It's amazing how MVP has hardest road to finals, having to play a champion in every single match so far, even oGsTop is a code A champion!
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Another Ro4 without a toss? I'm shocked.
But seriously, great write-up. My heart says July, but my brain says MVP :/
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On September 09 2011 12:09 hejakev wrote: Another Ro4 without a toss? I'm shocked.
But seriously, great write-up. My heart says July, but my brain says MVP :/
while i do like watching P matchups i wouldn't blame any imbalance on the absence of protosses, if that is what you where trying to point at 
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On September 13 2011 07:18 green.at wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 12:09 hejakev wrote: Another Ro4 without a toss? I'm shocked.
But seriously, great write-up. My heart says July, but my brain says MVP :/ while i do like watching P matchups i wouldn't blame any imbalance on the absence of protosses, if that is what you where trying to point at 
No no, nothing about balance. I just want to watch something other than TvT for a change.
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