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[OSL] Jin Air OSL - Semifinal Preview

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[OSL] Jin Air OSL - Semifinal Preview

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September 2nd, 2011 04:34 GMT


RO16 - Week Three
by: contagi0n, Kwark, and WaxAngel

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RO8 Recaps

Featured Games of the Week

You're the Man Now, Dog

Semi-final Previews


Wow, this darkening clouds theme seemed like a cool idea a few months ago, but it really doesn't seem to fit in the very cheerless present. With teams closing, players retiring, and stations closing, things are far from sunny in BW land.

In the OSL world, it's a similarly gloomy picture, at least if you're a fan of two particular players. The last time JD and Flash dropped out of OSL, Milkis declared that the OSL sucked and was meaningless. His reckless exaggerating asides, I'll admit it wasn't quite as interesting as it could have been.

But this semi-final card serves up a lot more storylines than the FvJ of the last two years. Most importantly, it gives hope to the disenfranchised and world-worn in their many forms. All the silver surfers, disowned heirs, perennially ridiculed, and cleansers of the past can find some solace in the Jin Air OSL.


By: contagiOn

Results and Standings

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Match A:
(T)Fantasy 2-0 ►Advances to Semifinals
(Z)Hyuk 0-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (Z)Hyuk < Pathfinder > (T)Fantasy
[VOD] (Z)Hyuk < Gladiator > (T)Fantasy
[VOD] (Z)Hyuk < Aztec > (T)Fantasy

Match B:
(Z)Hydra 2-1 ►Advances to Semifinals
(Z)Modesty 1-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (Z)Hydra < La Mancha > (Z)Modesty
[VOD] (Z)Hydra < New Bloody Ridge > (Z)Modesty
[VOD] (Z)Hydra < Pathfinder > (Z)Modesty

Match C:
(Z)n.Die_soO 2-1 ►Advances to Semifinals
(Z)Killer 1-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (Z)n.Die_soO < Gladiator > (Z)Killer
[VOD] (Z)KeSPA < La Mancha > (Z)Killer
[VOD] (Z)n.Die_soO < New Bloody Ridge > (Z)Killer

Match D:
(P)JangBi 2-1 ►Advances to Semifinals
(T)Flash 1-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (P)JangBi < New Bloody Ridge > (T)Flash
[VOD] (P)JangBi < Pathfinder > (T)Flash
[VOD] (P)JangBi < Gladiator > (T)Flash


Hydra vs. Modesty

This played out as a fairly straightforward ZvZ series. Fortunately they more or less mirrored each other's builds in two of the three games, and in both cases, the better player won. Hydra showed us that his zerglings are just as dangerous as his mutalisks, and Modesty reminded us that he really shouldn't be this far in the OSL.

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Game 1: Hydra and Modesty both open hatch first and start heading for spire tech. With spires well on the way, Hydra pressures Modesty's front with just under two control groups of lings. After some dancing back and forth, Hydra commits to an engagement. Despite even ling numbers, Hydra crushes Modesty’s force and overruns his base. By the time Modesty’s mutalisks are out, it’s all over.

Game 2: Hydra opens over gas pool for faster lair while Modesty opens overpool into expansion. This time Modesty gets the better of the zergling exchange, and with the larvae advantage continues to pump zerglings. When Hydra’s mutas pop, he has only one drone left and GGs.

Game 3: Both players open 12 hatch again, mirroring each other closely. Once again, Hydra beats Modesty in a zergling battle in Modesty’s natural. He doesn’t manage to end the game outright this time, but leaves Modesty more or less crippled. Modesty’s ling counter is thwarted by mutalisks, and the rest of the game is a formality.


Killer vs n.Die_soO

Killer Despite his loss, this series demonstrated how much better and more deserving of a semifinal appearance Killer is than soO. Killer got build order disadvantages in both real games and still nearly won 2-1. In game two Killer paused instead of typing “ppp,” and as a result KeSPA awarded the game to soO.

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Game 1: Killer beat 12 pool with 9 pool, taking down soO’s fast expansion with lings. Bravo to Killer, but soO shouldn’t have let that happen.

Game 2: Game two started with almost exactly mirrored openings, and in all likelihood would have ended with Killer dominating soO with his amazing muta micro. Then Killer made that tragic pause instead of typing “pp” or “ppp,” a mistake which forfeited him the match that cost him the series. While my gut reaction is to give a hearty middle finger to good ol’ KeSPA (there are better ways to handle the issue than award an automatic forfeit), I don’t understand why Killer didn’t just follow the damn rule. I can only assume that something sudden like a monitor failure happened and Killer’s reflex response in the heat of the moment was to pause the game himself. Whoever you want to blame, it was a sad way for the series to be decided.

Game 3: Killer got the mother of all bo disadvantages and opened 12 hatch against 9 pool speed. Incredibly, he managed to survive and looked to be coming back, getting multiple drone kills with a single pair of zerglings and shutting down soO’s attempt to take his natural. Finally though soO overwhelmed Killers front with zerglings just after the minidong had finished sporing up to compensate for the super fast spire.


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By: Kwark

RO8 - Flash vs JangBi


This week, I did something I hadn’t done since Stork was good: I watched the games live. All because of Flash vs… JangBi. Here’s my train of thought as I went into the RO8 games:

JangBi drew this match by beating Baby - one of my favourite players - with a DT rush into double expand into carriers despite being vastly inferior. Now that Jangbi has to beat Flash to advance, I'm not gonna pretend that there isn't a big banana grin on my face.

The tragedy here is that Baby actually has it in him to contend with Flash. Flash would still be the favourite because Flash is pretty much a byword for 'the favourite' at this point, but Baby is capable of some pretty stunning play too. Whereas if I were to make a list of players not as good as Flash, JangBi would be on it. Near the top. It'd probably be called the JangBi list. In short, he's going to lose and I'm glad.


Game One: Neo Bloody Ridge

Flash opened at 1 in blue while JangBi got brown at 7 on Neo Bloody Ridge. Flash, completely confident in his ability to win a standard game, opened by scouting for proxies and then proxied his rax to deal with a potential 13 nexus. After identifying that his opponent was playing straight up he simply lifted his rax back and did a normal expansion opening. JangBi responded with a fast expansion and things looked to be proceeding normally. However, where Flash would normally go for an academy, armoury and third command centre he instead threw down a third quick factory while getting both vulture upgrades, and snuck his army around the top of the map. On the other hand, JangBi played safely, with dragoons and observers clearing a path to his third base but not taking any unnecessary economic or tech risks.

Flash decided to go for the throat with uncharacteristic aggressive build order. Spider mines placed in key locations kept an eye on the movements of dragoons, which allowed him to quickly exploit Jangbi’s out of position dragoons. Flash struck, vultures pressing deep into JangBi's natural with aggressive mine placement while tanks backed them up.

However, as mentioned previously, JangBi had invested nothing into tech and had not yet taken his third. He had instead invested heavily in gateway units, and had a shuttle with zealots to help him defend. Because of this, things did not go all that badly though his dragoons were forced to race back to defend his base. His unit count was sufficient, and he was able to hold on to his natural.

Unfortunately, this momentary victory was deceptive, as it is often the case against Flash. Flash had already started his third command centre in his main while JangBi was pinned down, and had started his progression towards 3-3.

The game settled down into a terribly familiar pattern, and one that rarely results in a Protoss victory. Flash took his third, getting his upgrades and turtling while the Protoss rushed to four bases and headed for late game tech. He attempted to regain some initiative with a pair of speed shuttles - which I do like in theory - but Flash was on them in an instant. Floating buildings gave him a second’s warning on the incoming reavers, and the SCVs were already gone by the time the scarab arrived. Trying to harass wasn't the wrong decision, it's just that he was trying to harass Flash, and was thus was wasting his time. Settled down on his four bases JangBi prepared for the inevitable as best as he could, with a strong ground army comprised of dragoons, speedlots, storms in shuttles and a carrier tech switch in the works. Flash just sat on his three bases, upgraded his mech and dropped a money scan right on the stargates.

The moment finally came, and the Terran tank line came to life and pushed forwards, complete with a considerable escort of science vessels to counter the HT heavy army. NBR doesn't offer much in the way of open terrain to engage but still JangBi gave ground way too easily. His army was poised for a counterattack from the bottom path, but instead he backed off looking to engage Flash's main army. This was an extremely poor decision, as Flash's main army, complete with its upgrades and EMPs, was never going to lose on NBR. In a single push Flash was able to siege up on the high ground controlling JangBi's half of the map and tank the base at 11, completely unopposed. From then on it was just textbook tank leapfrogging.

Jangbi tried to fight the best he could, but he was facing EMPs and a very deep tank line. As soon as Jangbi stormed his way through the front lines, he was promptly annihilated by the forces waiting in reserve..

Capitalising on his victory Flash pushed into JangBi's natural where he could also hit the 9 base, and all three of JangBi's mining bases fell at roughly the same time. With the damage done Flash backed off, content to mess around with the carriers Jangbi had managed to squeeze out. Jangbi played pretty well for a guy with no income, but goliath missiles are unlimited and interceptors are not. When it became too futile, Jangbi GG’d out.

Anaylsis

This game was a clever variation on classic Flash. Flash is obviously the favourite here and the map favours his style. JangBi was going to have to get some kind of crazy advantage in the early game to win here so Flash modified his build to keep JangBi in line. His push came out of nowhere and nearly killed JangBi while he was playing straight up. If JangBi had overinvested in tech or expansions it would have won the game right there.

As it played out, it put Flash slightly behind but at the same time it guaranteed the game would go long, where Flash almost always wins anyway if Protoss plays straight up.

In short, risk-taking for Jangbi meant possibly gaining a small advantage while almost certainly dying if the risk didn’t pay off. For Flash, it meant a possible free win, and no serious repercussions if he failed. Broken, isn't it?

At one point the observer showed us Flash's first person view and in those few seconds we saw he dropped several comsats, revealing the carriers and the expansion at 6. Flash then simply picked up his army and killed his opponent. One thing that defines Flash is his map awareness at all times. He's an incredibly reactionary player, knowing that his opponents are terrified of going to 200/200 ground vs ground because they’ll lose horribly. Because of this, Flash can wait around and see if they try to go for something else (carriers), at which point he can just kill them at a slightly quicker timing.



Game Two: Pathfinder

JangBi spawned at 12 on Pathfinder in brown while Flash took 8 in yellow. JangBi sent out a probe on six but scouted incorrectly and was unable to steal a fast gas. It could have been pretty nice for Jangbi if he had succeeded, as Flash didn't do his predictable rax cc or cc first and instead opted for a more standard factory first opening. JangBi headed straight for dragoons with range and a robo while Flash went for factory - machine shop - CC in main; a very defensive build. JangBi followed his first two dragoons with a quick nexus, sensing that Flash would expand fast as well.

JangBi then added a second gateway and took a quick third nexus off of observer tech to ensure he knew exactly what Flash was doing. Interestingly he didn't immediately tech towards the late game but instead threw down four gateways and pumped dragoons, looking to establish mid-game map control and secure his quick third. When an observer scouted Flash's ambitions towards taking a third himself, JangBi instantly laid off the ground army focus and responded by teching towards arbiters and taking a fourth base for himself.

A high gateway count gave JangBi the flexibility to respond to threats set him up for late game macro, but he did not actually build units from every gateway constantly. Pathfinder is an incredibly resource laden map, and a Protoss can spread across it very easily if not pressured. JangBi's army size remained small as he took a fourth at the mineral only, got upgrades, storms, arbiters, and everything else he needed to be strong in the late game.

With an army equipped with an arbiter, storms in shuttles and speedzealots JangBi assumed he had sufficient map control and entered a second investment phase. He double expanded to the main and natural at 5 while building a LOT of gateways there. Flash had been doing his usual ridiculously passive thing, and didn’t seem to give a damn. After a minor distraction from a suicidal recall, Flash made his first move at 190 supply - a full fifteen minutes into the game on three bases. By comparison JangBi was maxed out and looking to take his seventh base. Flash charged straight down the middle of the map, ignoring the narrow corridors down the left hand side where a slow push could establish itself safely and pressure into JangBi's natural and third in favour of the brute force hammer approach. With his OSL life at stake, JangBi attempted a pushbreak.

It's a simple enough thing to write out a sequence of events, but you can’t really capture the fight in words. The arbiter came in from the flank with a nice stasis, the speedlots ran down the right hand side and hit the tanks from a good angle, the storms from the shuttles scythed through the tank line and in a matter of seconds Flash's army was reduced by seventy supply. However, Flash held. As the remaining tanks cut down his dragoons JangBi disengaged but it was too late to save the dragoon heart of his army. Flash's gamble had succeeded, he'd faced a maxed out Protoss late game in open terrain and won, opening a path for him to push straight into the heart of his opponent’s territory, contain their unit production and win. Normally in this situation the Protoss will macro back faster but the Terran will have an extreme positional advantage by being able to turtle right outside production sites, while smaller forces can go around and destroy the Protoss expansions. However, JangBi had been busy.

Twenty five!!! gateways surged into life, divided into thirteen in his main at 12 and twelve more in his expansion main at 5. The game would be decided by whether or not Flash fully established a strong foothold outside Jangbi’s base, so Jangbi charged his troops into the fray. The first clash went evenly, Flash losing many of his tanks while JangBi lost the last of his arbiters and dragoons. Tanks were able to besiege JangBi's natural and third, but Protoss units managed to slip out and join the main force. Amazingly JangBi was on seven bases, one hundred and ten supply and his total resources (minerals plus gas) were below five hundred. Flash's macro was equally good even though he'd just taken his fourth. At just over one hundred supply each, JangBi broke out of his natural. Flash's vultures laid mines on the path between JangBi's two main bases but it was too late, map control went back to JangBi.

Without having to send his units into a constant meat grinder, Jangbi was forty supply ahead just seconds later. Flash was able to snipe the expansion at 2 but his ambitions to push up the right hand side choke (now you see the chokes on this map Flash?) was met by a maxed out Protoss with a sixty supply advantage. JangBi closed on him like a pincer, smashing through the middle of the map and fighting sieged tank lines with just dragoons. About two hundred supply worth of units died in a few seconds as JangBi pushed into Flash's third, the last few survivors making it into the mineral line and obliterated the SCVs with storm. Flash miraculously stayed alive, but that was only until JangBi's next wave of production kicked. Another fifty supply of Protoss blitzed into Flash’s territory to collect the GG.

Anaylsis

This game was fantastic in the literal sense, so far as that it’s just as unrealistic for any Protoss to beat Flash as it is for orcs and elves to fight it out in middle earth, or for Frodo and Sam to have an entirely platonic relationship. So, how did it happen? Well, I believe Pathfinder is a Terran favoured map, but only if it’s a specific style displayed by Fantasy in the last OSL finals, and by Baby vs JangBi in the Jin Air RO16. The chokes around the edges make it very easy for a Terran to take their back expansion (you can tank the high ground all along it from your main!!!) and in 8 vs 12 like this game it's also a launching pad to kill the Protoss third.

The map is full of opportunities for a Terran to exploit and Flash ignored each and every one of them, instead trusting in his ability to beat a maxed out Protoss army in the open terrain of the centre of the map and then put on his usual boa constrictor contain, tightening his grip with every breath. There is pretty much no map worse for that style, the map is resource heavy, three player so it's impossible to split 50/50 late game and has a big open centre. The third main is indefensible for a Terran early and the Protoss taking it forces the Terran to push into the middle where he really doesn't want to be.

So, why didn't Flash simply kill JangBi before he got seven bases? Well, personally I think he should have tried, going down the narrow corridor on the left hand side of the map as JangBi expanded to the second main and natural. He could have killed the third and established a stranglehold on JangBi's natural before the second group of gateways was up and running.

I can only blame it on pure arrogance, something we never normally see in Flash. Flash is, to quote some guy from the LR topic, "a textbook reactive player, players try to kill him with stuff and he just scans and wins". That's always been his style and when JangBi went for the macro play he failed to respond. I guess it's a testament to how far Flash has gotten in his career that I'm blaming him for daring to not win automatically.

JangBi's macro wasn't just a 200/200 lategame tech rush. I believe if it was then Flash would have pushed earlier (although I still don't know why he didn't try that anyway). JangBi fluctuated smoothly between securing map control and investing for the future, particularly by building gateways he didn't intend to use immediately. Firstly, those gateways give him massive amounts of flexibility; he's doing aggressive expanding and if Flash tries to call him out on it he could reinforce accordingly. Making fewer unit production facilities and running them constantly is more efficient if you can accurately predict the future but flexibility is a resource that grants security to more aggressive plays. They were minerals well spent. Secondly, he'd need those gateways anyway, as he was taking a lot of expansions, he was going to need gateways to spend the money. Thirdly, it's a safe bet that Flash was keeping track of his gateway count and if you add up the gateway numbers and apply estimates of how many units they'd make if used efficiently then you get a scary army that JangBi simply did not have. Building the gateways at the second main was not a genius play, it's a really, really, basic play, but it was correct. Flash could still have locked them down with good mine usage but he didn't and it made JangBi uncontainable.

On a barely related note, I read something about how Flash scanned JangBi's back mineral only and saw no expansion so thought JangBi went two base all-in and got meta-gamed, and would like to say I think that's complete nonsense. Firstly, it's normal to take the gas base as your third base, so if Flash decided he could scanned just the mineral only he and automatically assume two base, that would have been absurd. Secondly, he had two command centres, that's two scans, think about it.



Game Three: Gladiator
JangBi spawned at 7 in orange while Flash got white at 11 on Gladiator. JangBi went for an eleven nexus eleven gateway opener which personally I'm not a fan of. That's cutting probes incredibly hard but it does let you throw down a core the moment the gateway finished for a very quick dragoon. By cutting probes as hard as he did he allow himself to skip the second pylon and use the nexus, giving himself some extra money for a zealot at 15/17 supply. This build incredibly under-saturates the expansion, and it simply doesn't pay off in extra minerals mined compared to one gate dragoon range expansion builds because you don't have the probes to decently mine one base, let alone two, and you can't afford to pump probes from two nexuses while doing more than one gate dragoons. The only asset of the build is an incredibly fast dragoon range compared to a standard FE build, although it's still considerably slower than a normal gate core range opener.

Meanwhile Flash went for a standard rax cc bunker build and was macroing up considerably more quickly. Dragoon range completed and JangBi laid siege to the bunker but was pushed back by sieged tanks without forcing too much repair. JangBi sent a probe to 6 to expand and was delayed by an scv sent out by Flash to build an ebay there. Although he cleaned it up JangBi still didn't immediately expand, instead opting for more gateways and a robo while walling 6 in to prevent further scouting. Then, about a minute later, he took 6. Now this is weird, really, really weird. If he felt he was safe to take 6 then he should have taken it immediately because he'd already shown Flash his intent to take it. Equally if he felt it was unsafe or was just trying to confuse Flash then he shouldn't have taken it. What JangBi did here is make Flash think he was going to do something but instead do that thing badly.

Flash responded by taking his mineral only third but in his haste he neglected turrets, overgrouped his tanks and didn't make a bunker or float his ebay or rax to mess with dragoon AI. There's a word for this and unfortunately for Flash that word is “bad.” JangBi's observer saw everything and he promptly bulldogged it. With no floating buildings, turrets or anything else the tightly grouped tanks could only die.

Although Flash was able to stabilize, JangBi's third was up and mining and he was laying down gateways, getting zealot speed and teching to arbiters. Flash attempted to take his third mineral only again and got bulldogged again and combined with the tank losses from before he lacked a critical mass to defend it. He didn't have a single spider mine and the zealots again tanked the tanks while dragoons move fired into them. As speedlots were pumped from seven gateways the mineless, vultureless tank line broke. Flash GGed.

Anaylsis

I think this game is one which is going to be overanalyzed to death with an awful lot of people saying words like metagame and levels of thinking. They don't apply here. The only impact of JangBi's opening on the midgame was to put himself behind. It's safer than the normal thirteen nex vs bunker vulture rushes because of the fast dragoon range but it cuts probes extremely hard. The opening was fully played out into a standard midgame when the crucial bulldog happened, it didn't play any role.

Messing around with the expansion at 6 was pretty weird too as he still invested the same minerals in it, just a bit later. If he'd not taken it and instead gone five gate speedlots or something then I'd get the "he made Flash think he took his third so Flash overstretched and then he killed him wow JangBi so smart" stuff but that's not what happened. What we saw here is JangBi heading into a very standard midgame with a very standard Protoss composition. He got observers, gateways, dragoons and a zealotbombing shuttle. Every Protoss makes that every game to be safe against a potential Terran push. What was unusual here is how incredibly sloppy Flash's attempt to take his third was. Here's a screenshot to illustrate it.

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Notice all the tanks are close which means if the dragoons close range they can simply kill them all. Notice no blocking units or buildings or turrets. Notice no mines and no vultures. This is just tanks in a group in open terrain.

My take on this was that JangBi was hoping to delay Flash's third by forcing him to crawl out to it with dragoons and zealotbombs. His observer saw Flash's defence was terrible so he thought "wtf? guess I'll attack lol" and killed him. Flash had no units capable of doing any damage to zealots, just pure tanks, and no way of stopping a shuttle dropping zealots on his tanks. It was just bad. Inexplicably bad. People suggesting JangBi is a genius for making this work need to ask themselves if it still would have worked if Flash had made just two vultures. A screen of six mines at the front would have stopped the dragoons simply move fire microing into the middle of the tanks and JangBi only dropped two zealots, vultures would kill them in seconds. It's not brilliance if your opponent has to play horribly to make it work, it's opportunism. JangBi's execution was competent but I seriously feel like Flash was off his game. The way he took his third was suicidal if JangBi had an observer, and it was likely that he did - Flash was always going to lose.



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Kwark is diamond SC2 last I heard.


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By: Riptide



Lee Young Ho.

Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do dumb stuff like this?

Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about conspiracy theories. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them ad infinitum ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.

In fact, the effect he had on how we play Broodwar is so profound that I've taken a moment here to analyse the intricacies of his TvP build.

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Last week, Jangbi destroyed Flash. Oh but riptide, you say, destroy is such a strong word. Couldn't it be that Flash just had a bad day? It very well could be, but that doesn't change the fact that the Samsung KHAN Protoss straight up embarrassed the reigning bonjwa, completely over running him in Game 2 and then adding salt to the wound with a beautiful 12 (11?) nex into bulldog beatdown. It was glorious, friends. It was truly glorious.

In reality however, he wasn't just beating flash. He was beating, even for a moment, the trend of mindless macro pioneered by KT's Terran powerhouse. In an age where we equate winning a ton of games with greatness and high ELO with legendary play, it's fantastic that a dark horse arose to not only reduce the much hailed king of Broodwar to a pile of rubble, but do so in a manner that made us rise to our feet.

As much as you'd like to think it, I'm not a Flash anti-fan. I certainly do not deny his success. Like I said, he has been very successful, successful in making every game he plays about as interesting as watching paint dry.

But now, to the matter at hand. It is the Fall and Heo Yeong Moo is in his first OSL Semi Finals. Everyone knows I'm a SKT fan, and as much as I'd like Fantasy to win his second title, I want Jangbi to win even more. He deserves it. Not only because of his STOOOOORMSSSS and not just because he is one of my favourite Protoss on the scene today. Not only because we love to root for the underdog, or because it would be nice for Samsung to catch a break.

I want Jangbi to win this OSL because he did the unthinkable, the impossible.

He smashed Flash. In the face.

In doing so, he also removed, even for just one OSL, the mind numbingly boring style of play that has invaded this beautiful game. I look forward to him beating soO and meeting Fantasy in the finals. I know it's an uphill battle for our young Protoss hero. I know his PvZ isn't great. Then again, he did just destroy the much revered king of the game in style, and indeed, it is the Fall.

Good hunting, Jangbi. It's time to add a gold to your medal collection.


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Semi-Final Preview

By: contagi0n



JangBi vs n.Die_soO


JangBi, you’ve shattered everyone’s expectations by getting this far at all, but the hardest part of your journey is yet ahead of you (Editor’s note: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA). Our embattled Protoss survivor here in Flash’s place makes for a much harder series to predict than the one-sided slaughter that would have taken place otherwise.

The numbers still paint a fairly clear picture though, and it’s not one that most fans are going to like. soO has been slaying Protoss left and right since the end of Winner’s League, going 10-2 from then. In addition to his recent good record, soO is arguably the most consistent of the four semi-finalists. JangBi on the other hand is 4-6 in his last 10 PvZs, and his win over Calm in tiebreakers broke a 5 game losing streak in the matchup. The maps also favor soO, even more than they favor Fantasy over Hydra. Gladiator is the only one that seems fairly even. Their head to head? 2-0 in soO’s favor, and both of those games came from the prelims of this OSL where soO beat JangBi 2-0, knocking him into the wildcard tournament.

There is some hope for the legions of JangBi fans won over by his toppling of God in the quarterfinals. What JangBi has going for him is of a decidedly less tangible nature. The first thing to take note of is that JangBi lately has played poorly in some PvZs and quite well in others. Even though he lost, his game against Jaedong from not too long ago in SPL was very impressive and his game against Calm in tiebreakers elicited praise from even JangBi’s most vitriolic anti-fan. In other words, he's proven that he can PvZ formidably well. If JangBi brings that level of play to this series, he can beat soO.

And he just might do it. This entire tournament JangBi has been sliding to the brink of elimination only to turn around and dominate his way into the next round. JangBi’s got a lot more experience than soO in individual leagues (soO is a Royal Roader and has never entered MSL proper) and has some crazy momentum going. We got to see soO’s performance in a high stakes ZvP in the SPL finals: he played well but not above his usual standard, and lost.

I don’t expect JangBi to win this one. When all is said and done, he’s still a shaky PvZ player going into a BO5 against a strong ZvP player on unfavorable maps. Then again, no on expected him to beat Flash either.

My mind says: soO wins 3-1 or 3-2, with a minimum of one successful hydra bust.

My heart says: JangBi wins 3-2, with a breathtaking reverse sweep after barely holding on against a hydra bust in the third game.



Fantasy vs Hydra


I’ve been staring at a blank page for the last forty minutes, every now and then making a decision, writing out a couple sentences, and then changing my mind and starting from scratch. After much deliberation though, I have to give the edge to Fantasy, with some reservations.

As soon as the regular SPL season wrapped up, Fantasy started a still unbroken eight game winning streak. Part of this sudden improvement can be written off as the end of his lengthy post-OSL slump, but I think the bigger factor is that Fantasy just does better in an individual league setting. As has been pointed out plenty of times before, Fantasy's preparation, strategies, and excellent series planning are what make him such a dangerous individual league contender. Furthermore, Fantasy has far more experience both in individual leagues and series play than Hydra, who never made it as deep as the RO8 in the individual leagues until the PDPop MSL.

That isn’t to say Hydra doesn’t perform well in individual leagues. In fact, he’s proved quite the opposite in the last two MSLs. The difference between him and Fantasy though is that Hydra’s BOX performance doesn’t strike me as radically different from his performance in Proleague. In a random SPL match Hydra might be even with or even favored against Fantasy, but in a BO5 in the semifinals of the OSL, Fantasy is a lot more likely to step it up than Hydra.

Their head to head is 2:1 in Fantasy’s favor, and in the most recent and relevant of these games, Fantasy won with straight up bio in the Winner’s League playoffs. Furthermore, the maps are all statistically terran-favored.

So if everything seems to point in Fantasy’s direction, why all the reservations? I talked about how well Fantasy does in series. Do you know who his opponents were in his last three TvZ series? Hyuk, Calm, and Hyuk again. If ever there were a pair of fail prone Zergs, it was these two. Fantasy got the wins, but for the most part not in the most confidence inspiring manner possible. The best ZvT player he faced recently in individual leagues was Neo.G_Soulkey, who knocked him out of the last two MSLs in the group stages.

On the other side of the equation, Hydra’s ZvT is underrated a lot these days, perhaps because he faces Flash so often (5 of his last 10 ZvT’s were against the Ultimate Weapon, talk about a tough draw). Just looking at Hydra you can tell he's the kind of player doesn’t screw around. If Fantasy tries pulling the same crap he pulled against Calm and Hyuk, he'll be in for a rude awakening.

Prediction: Fantasy wins 3-2


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September 02 2011 04:38 GMT
#2
That picture;;
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September 02 2011 04:38 GMT
#3
Looks like I might need an umbrella.
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September 02 2011 04:42 GMT
#4
On September 02 2011 13:38 HawaiianPig wrote:
Looks like I might need an umbrella.


me too,cause its going to be a stormy reign this OSL.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 02 2011 04:46 GMT
#5
Thanks for the writeup OSL team. I'll read all your articles even if my favorite player loses. I hope contagion's predictions are completely wrong though.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
September 02 2011 04:50 GMT
#6
I hope Fantasy wins against Hydra just so JangBi can JangBang him in the finals 3-0
Jaedong plz
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
September 02 2011 04:57 GMT
#7
"Like I said, he has been very successful, successful in making every game he plays about as interesting as watching paint dry."

opinions, opinions...
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
September 02 2011 04:59 GMT
#8
i'm glad the staff enjoys jangbangs as well
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
September 02 2011 05:00 GMT
#9
Riptide Flash hater! Sorry SKT couldn't win the GF! .

And awesome write up. I missed Kwark :D
Felby
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Norway81 Posts
September 02 2011 05:01 GMT
#10
three of the things I love the most in this topic, BW, waxangel and elly
Ideas
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United States8091 Posts
September 02 2011 05:06 GMT
#11
it's going to be such a bummer if jangbi loses lol
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
September 02 2011 05:08 GMT
#12
Thanks for the writeup! I love your guy's dedication toward BW!
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chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
September 02 2011 05:09 GMT
#13
thanks for the great article as always

I swear jangbi better take out soo, but I'm calling fantasy for today's match

Fanta hwaiting!!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 02 2011 05:16 GMT
#14
Great write up as usual ! Don't like really like the font, but it doesn't matter.

Also it's funny how KwarK is back just when Fantasy is about to win a second OSL back to back <3
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Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
September 02 2011 05:19 GMT
#15
Cool analysis on Flash vs Jangbi. I've been watching SC2 primarily (Because I assumed Flash/JD would be wrecking in BW as usual), but now I'm interested again. Will be checking out Jangbi's matches for sure.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
September 02 2011 05:21 GMT
#16
when will this cycle of crappy zergs in semifinals end!?
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Crisium
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United States1618 Posts
September 02 2011 05:22 GMT
#17
Excellent stuff guys.

Kwark trying to downplay JangBi's genius, bah!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 02 2011 05:25 GMT
#18
Thanks team for the great write up. Jangbi FOR GLORY!
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United States315 Posts
September 02 2011 05:30 GMT
#19
Thank you for photoshopping that pic. Also JangBi needs to get more respect, kids a boss
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 02 2011 05:34 GMT
#20
awesome read. rooting for fanta and jangbi final =D
and yer, have to agree with riptide's sentiments, can't deny flash's success but i've never enjoyed watching him play =/
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
September 02 2011 05:36 GMT
#21
I'm confused - that "dumb stuff like this" link is to a game where Flash's opponent is the one doing something cheesy ???
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
September 02 2011 05:39 GMT
#22
JANG
BANG
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 02 2011 05:40 GMT
#23
I want Jangbi to tear fantasy apart in the finals.

You can do it jangbi. No sktzerg + terran gonna stand in your way. PROTOSS.
Jaedong :3
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
September 02 2011 05:42 GMT
#24
I on the other hand, actually enjoy Flash's play a lot. Brilliance is just as entertaining as exciting plays.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 02 2011 05:47 GMT
#25
I would be worry for (T)Fantasy if he makes in the finals vs (P)JangBi because the Legnd of the Fall killed (T)The closest first Golden Mouse user and his new (T)Replacment of SKT1 once at least. I think Jangbi wins it 3-2 if jangbi and Fantasy face each other in the finals .
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HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
September 02 2011 05:52 GMT
#26
On September 02 2011 14:36 Crunchums wrote:
I'm confused - that "dumb stuff like this" link is to a game where Flash's opponent is the one doing something cheesy ???


riptide claims yet another victim
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
September 02 2011 06:00 GMT
#27
Jangbi baby
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
September 02 2011 06:05 GMT
#28
thank you for the article! :D
^^
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
September 02 2011 06:16 GMT
#29
Hoping Jangbi beat Soo. I don't even care too much if he loses in the finals, as long as he beats Soo.

On a side note, I'm surprised how differently a high level player and Korean caster can see the exact same game so differently. It shows just how incredibly amazing this game is.

A poster's summation of Jangbi vs Flash games 2 and 3 watching Korean Cast.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2011 14:46 hipaul wrote:
In short, it was a BO win for jangbi for both of the games.

Game 2 on Pathfinder, jangbi sends out his probe early to scout flash and it works out great in jangbi's favor because:
1, he picks off a scv.
2, forces flash to produce marines (flash was going to fast expand, and knowing flash, he could've skipped those two marines to get his CC earlier).
3, sees that flash has only one scv on gas, and knows he's fast expanding.
At this time, flash's scv is in jangbi's base and jangbi puts down robotics while the SCV is still there. This put jangbi in true advantage because it forced flash to defend for a possible harass, while jangbi just techs to observers and gets two expansions. From there on, jangbi knew exactly what flash was doing as he had an ob in flash's base. Later, flash puts down a third cc by his nat, jangbi scouts it with an ob and expands to 3 o'clock main. The casterswere pretty much saying that jangbi was up the whole time but wasn't sure because flash is god.

Game 3 on gladiator, the casters were praising how brilliant it was for jangbi to double nexus because protoss tends to be aggressive against terran early on this map, and jangbi used that to his advantage by doing exact opposite (in which was the best response against flash's barrack expansion). So, from there jangbi had an economical lead the whole game. Also, I think it was important that jangbi showed flash that he was gonna get his third but delayed for a while to macro off 4 gates, because flash responded to get a third cc himself, and that's why flash only had two facs when jangbi came to attack flash's third with his army.
Meh
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
September 02 2011 06:32 GMT
#30
I totally understand SKT fans' emotions. Seeing Bisu get his ass handed to himself every time he faces Flash, and seeing Flash continually destroy T1 - especially after the last SPL finals - is really painful for SKT people. My sympathy for you.
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United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 06:34:01
September 02 2011 06:33 GMT
#31
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll.
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China3370 Posts
September 02 2011 06:41 GMT
#32
On September 02 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll.


...
...
...

I've got nothing.
Meh
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
September 02 2011 06:54 GMT
#33
I'm gonna read the rest, but first.

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
KESPA.

This is just plain wrong. While I'm not a fan of Killer in this case (kinda wanting to see a Royal Roader here...) shouldn't Killer have still stayed in the game?

▶ Section 8, Game pause based on player's request
◆ Before change
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.

I remember seeing this while reading through BW Liquipedia and Leta's same mistake.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 02 2011 07:07 GMT
#34
On September 02 2011 15:32 alypse wrote:
I totally understand SKT fans' emotions. Seeing Bisu get his ass handed to himself every time he faces Flash, and seeing Flash continually destroy T1 - especially after the last SPL finals - is really painful for SKT people. My sympathy for you.


It only matters for Bisu fans, not SKT fans.
The current OSL champion is an SKT player, and 2 out of the 4 semi finalists are SKT players. As much as I love Bisu, I don't need your sympathy for T1 fans - OSL wise of course.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
September 02 2011 07:19 GMT
#35
Another job well done guys, really enjoyed reading all the pieces. Now I'm hyped for tonight's games!
and next week can't come soon enough with JangBi vs soO.

JANGBI FOR GOLD!
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gustavohmp
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil139 Posts
September 02 2011 07:24 GMT
#36
I enjoy watching Flash play because it is one-sided most of the times. I like how he dominates his oponents and puts down any chance of recovery.
Truth be told, I have never seen a close game with Flash playing. He either dominates, or gets dominated. Most of the times he will hold on to the last thread of hope he has and then stage a impossible comeback, but sometimes he just gets dominated, period.
I really thing JangBi will stomp Soo. Flash didnt play to his best but it wasnt like JangBi was messing up. He will be prepared and play at his best, and I think JangBi at his best > Soo at his best.
JangBi will go the finals.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
September 02 2011 07:39 GMT
#37
soO should lose on purpose because if he wins, he is basically signing up for the hatred of 1 million protoss fans.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 02 2011 07:43 GMT
#38
On September 02 2011 16:39 white_horse wrote:
soO should lose on purpose because if he wins, he is basically signing up for the hatred of 1 million protoss fans.


And if he wins, he will have to lose on purpose against Fantasy in finals, so yeah he has every reason to lose on purpose against Jangbi !
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Sherlock.
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria35 Posts
September 02 2011 07:59 GMT
#39
Jangbi fighting !
Stork,Bisu, Nal_ra,Flash / oGsMC, MaNa, Mvp
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 09:33:34
September 02 2011 08:01 GMT
#40
Yeah, Soo is going to be a lot more popular in the near future if he loses this match, I have to feel. If he wins, everyone will call him the guy who ruined the OSL finals --- but if he loses while putting up a great fight, everyone will have a high opinion of him and remember his run favorably. I'd feel sorry for him, but I'm saving that sentiment for after he loses to Jangbi =p

Funny chart, Riptide! =)
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Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
September 02 2011 08:08 GMT
#41
On September 02 2011 16:39 white_horse wrote:
soO should lose on purpose because if he wins, he is basically signing up for the hatred of 1 million protoss fans.


He can already count on my hatred, as one of those many players who won a coin flip against better players than them to manage to enter osl ro4

This ro8 was only interesting because of the Jangbi-Flash match-up, even more because Flash didn't stomp Jangbi badly, which is kinda a good thing because otherwise, it would have looked like there's no hope to anyone to beat Flash in a series.
Time for surgery now for Flash, i hope Jangbi can win the title but it's gonna be a hard path for him...
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
September 02 2011 08:14 GMT
#42
As much as you'd like to think it, I'm not a Flash anti-fan. I certainly do not deny his success. Like I said, he has been very successful, successful in making every game he plays about as interesting as watching paint dry.


Well, now I'm going to have to watch the OSL, now that he's gone.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 08:27:25
September 02 2011 08:25 GMT
#43
On September 02 2011 15:41 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll.


...
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...

I've got nothing.


Flash's success is primarily due to him making fifty bajillion timing attacks. It's like people haven't realized that 80% of his games are him doing a timing push or something. He had a short stint in late 08 to early 09 where all he would do was turtle and it didn't work as much as he wanted, and has since over the past 2 years been incredibly aggressive. I might should clarify by saying he's the most aggressive terran around, and one of the most aggressive gamers overall (You might chalk Bisu up to being more aggressive since he gets to play pvp instead of tvt, etc).

Basically you'd have to have not watched Flash play TvZ and TvP for the past couple of years to think he's a turtle.
Remember Violet.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
September 02 2011 08:52 GMT
#44
awesome write up
just curious did Flash already have surgery?
*rawr* d(^_^d)
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
September 02 2011 08:55 GMT
#45
I LOVE THIS.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 02 2011 09:14 GMT
#46
On September 02 2011 17:52 pigtheman wrote:
awesome write up
just curious did Flash already have surgery?


Scheduled for the 19th.
Remember Violet.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 09:43:21
September 02 2011 09:40 GMT
#47
I'm not 100% percent sure about everything Kwark writes, but I agree on the main part of his analysis.
I guess Riptide's stuff is a good imitation of how dumb Flash anti-fans can be.
The predictions are pretty good I guess.
Thanks for the article !
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Holy Check
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Romania155 Posts
September 02 2011 09:41 GMT
#48
On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
Lee Young Ho.

Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>?

Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.



That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain.

Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
September 02 2011 09:42 GMT
#49
Yes, the kind of analyses that I needed for my D+ brain. Some serious writing talent, cause I feel like I read it from the very beginning to the very end, or is it a Jangbi effect?) Thanks again.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
September 02 2011 10:14 GMT
#50
On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
Lee Young Ho.

Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>?

Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.



That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain.

Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.


you mean like.... Iloveoov?
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
September 02 2011 10:20 GMT
#51
JangBi MUST win this OSL. It's written in stars!
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kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 13:39:19
September 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#52
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2011 17:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 15:41 baubo wrote:
On September 02 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll.


...
...
...

I've got nothing.


Flash's success is primarily due to him making fifty bajillion timing attacks. It's like people haven't realized that 80% of his games are him doing a timing push or something. He had a short stint in late 08 to early 09 where all he would do was turtle and it didn't work as much as he wanted, and has since over the past 2 years been incredibly aggressive. I might should clarify by saying he's the most aggressive terran around, and one of the most aggressive gamers overall (You might chalk Bisu up to being more aggressive since he gets to play pvp instead of tvt, etc).

Basically you'd have to have not watched Flash play TvZ and TvP for the past couple of years to think he's a turtle.

I don't think you understand what the word aggressive means. It doesn't mean attacking or timing attacks or whatever you think it means, it means attacking whenever you have an opportunity to attack and being quite reckless with your units. See Turn, Horang2 and idk, Kwanro/hyuk/Shine for prime examples from each race.

If we're talking about terrans specifically, see Turn, Hiya, Fantasy, Leta in order from most aggressive to less aggressive but still more aggressive than Flash.

Being very aggressive to the point of recklessness means you lose. Flash simply attacks at the best possible time. There is a difference there and it's the reason he's the best terran we've ever seen.
Changed my mind about writing this, this is supposed to be a glorious BW thread, and it is. This sort of discussion doesn't belong here.

I'm looking forward to the finals preview
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
September 02 2011 10:43 GMT
#53
This article was sure hard on Jangbi despite his win.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42590 Posts
September 02 2011 11:04 GMT
#54
To clarify, I got put into diamond upon starting sc2. My iccup extrapolation rank is clearly bonjwa.
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Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
September 02 2011 11:09 GMT
#55
Great post, but I have a feeling in my guts that Hydra is going to beat Fantasy.
Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark353 Posts
September 02 2011 11:18 GMT
#56
cool write up - JangBi for president
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 02 2011 11:21 GMT
#57
On September 02 2011 19:14 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:
On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
Lee Young Ho.

Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>?

Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.



That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain.

Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.


you mean like.... Iloveoov?


Iloveoov isn't boring though in both gameplay and personality. His gameplay is strickly based on his greed, his overexpand and then its like "Oh shit, how is he going to defend?!?!" that type of play, it makes me excited to see him playing. He would MATCH expos with Zerg and Protoss when they take their's. Flash on the other hand.....would play the safest build ever but would win with it because he plays everything very subtly. And Iloveoov is like the biggest trashtalker ever lol Whenever Flash does it, he loses pretty badly.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
September 02 2011 11:23 GMT
#58
On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
Lee Young Ho.

Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>?

Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.



That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain.

Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.

Hmm, I wonder who you are...
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42590 Posts
September 02 2011 11:30 GMT
#59
I guess the ban on fomos content stopped us from using this in the news itself but in my capacity as a normal tl poster sharing shit with people, here is JangBi's pushbreak in game 2.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 11:42:02
September 02 2011 11:41 GMT
#60
The only thing I hate about Flash losing at this point is that it encourages Flash anti-fans to come and say dumb things about him. Don't get me wrong, it's better for the sport for him to not be in every finals, so I'm not upset at that. But after all this time are people still falling back to the Flash the boring turtle insult? Sigh.

Thanks for the nice writeup OSL team, it was very well done.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
September 02 2011 11:55 GMT
#61
read most of it, thanks for the article ^-^
ace hwaiting!!
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 11:57:50
September 02 2011 11:55 GMT
#62
On September 02 2011 17:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 15:41 baubo wrote:
On September 02 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll.


...
...
...

I've got nothing.


Flash's success is primarily due to him making fifty bajillion timing attacks. It's like people haven't realized that 80% of his games are him doing a timing push or something. He had a short stint in late 08 to early 09 where all he would do was turtle and it didn't work as much as he wanted, and has since over the past 2 years been incredibly aggressive. I might should clarify by saying he's the most aggressive terran around, and one of the most aggressive gamers overall (You might chalk Bisu up to being more aggressive since he gets to play pvp instead of tvt, etc).

Basically you'd have to have not watched Flash play TvZ and TvP for the past couple of years to think he's a turtle.


"Aggressive" is a mindset. It's the idea that you always pressure your opponent to keep him in a defensive stance. To keep him off keel. To keep him in a reactionary state because it's much harder to defend than to attack.

This is not Flash's normal mindset. And if you watch BW in general instead of just Flash games, you'd see these things. In fact, Flash's style is generally a defensive/counterattack style.

Obviously he uses timing attack. You know what? So does 100% of other professional BW players. The whole game rely heavily on timing. The reason why Flash succeeds in his attacks in manners other terrans fail isn't because he's more aggressive. It's because he's better. Similar to how an iccup A player can do the same stuff a B player can do and win more because he's simply a superior player.
Meh
thanhbao86
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada199 Posts
September 02 2011 12:24 GMT
#63
BW staffs never disappoint.Great write-up.
Fat Dragoon
Holy Check
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Romania155 Posts
September 02 2011 12:31 GMT
#64
On September 02 2011 20:23 J1.au wrote:
Hmm, I wonder who you are...


Isn't it obvious from my post? I'm Boxer. And I'm jealous Flash has been doing so well while I had to switch to SC2.
Trololol.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
September 02 2011 12:52 GMT
#65
Anaylsis
Anaylsis
Anaylsis


Typos~
#TeamBuLba
TG_Lelouch
Profile Joined August 2011
United States134 Posts
September 02 2011 13:16 GMT
#66
Great write up on how Jangbi smash flash in the face >
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
September 02 2011 13:19 GMT
#67
The moment finally came, and the Terran tank line came to life and pushed forwards


Really liked this line Kwark ^

As much as I like Flash, I like seeing him lose even more ;p

Goo Jangbi
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
September 02 2011 13:34 GMT
#68
Really nice read. Keep it up. (you will anyways but i wanted to encourage you :-P)
Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
September 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#69
Great read, interesting as always.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
September 02 2011 15:01 GMT
#70
On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
Lee Young Ho.

Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>?

Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.



That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain.

Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.


I went and watched the Flash games, and it did a very good job of reminding me why I liked BW better before he rose to dominance </hipster>. If you plant your wheat seeds at the start of a Flash game, you can have a sandwich for when he moves out.

So, yeah, JangBi earned a fan. Anyone who beats Flash is saving BW. Even if they beat Flash at something else.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
September 02 2011 15:14 GMT
#71
Love the join dates of people preferring BW pre-Flash!
arcfyr
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada121 Posts
September 02 2011 15:15 GMT
#72
Multiple Jangbangs incoming.

Awesome articles as always. The quality is superb!
GG_NO_RE
Profile Joined October 2009
Japan238 Posts
September 02 2011 15:25 GMT
#73
i soooooo want jangbi to win the osl. plzzzz
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
September 02 2011 15:31 GMT
#74
Oh God I died laughing at the bonjwa build order. Very nice writeup!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11818 Posts
September 02 2011 15:52 GMT
#75

JangBi, you’ve shattered everyone’s expectations by getting this far at all, but the hardest part of your journey is yet ahead of you (Editor’s note: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA).

So brilliant. ^^ Thanks for another nice news post.
Holy Check
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Romania155 Posts
September 02 2011 15:59 GMT
#76
On September 03 2011 00:14 J1.au wrote:
Love the join dates of people preferring BW pre-Flash!


Love Flash fanboys being Flash fanboys.
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
September 02 2011 16:10 GMT
#77
jangbi needs to call up bisu for pvz tips. Out of bisu, stork, kal...jangbi is the last protoss hope, god help us all
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 16:17:04
September 02 2011 16:16 GMT
#78
On September 03 2011 00:14 J1.au wrote:
Love the join dates of people preferring BW pre-Flash!

Not everyone's enjoyment of the BW scene directly lines up with the date they joined, though. :|

JANGBI. FUCK. YES. Please make me wrong in my complete and utter loss of hope for you, please. I've not wanted to be wrong more in a LONG time.
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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
September 02 2011 16:35 GMT
#79
Nice article... I love you all.

And Jangbi you are da best... fucking amazing and PLS... PPPPPPLLLLLLSSSSS rape that Soo guy.
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
September 02 2011 16:37 GMT
#80
Sad that Flash wont get to win his 7th starleague but happy to see a protoss finally doing well
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Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
September 02 2011 17:14 GMT
#81
Fantasy has this.

I believe.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
September 02 2011 17:20 GMT
#82
For people who've been following recent matches: usually, how long is the gap between the live broadcast and torrent upload? Thanks to everyone who helps out with capturing, uploading, writing up and commenting on the matches. This is really an incredible community.
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Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
September 02 2011 17:28 GMT
#83
Hahaha, loved riptide's piece. Awesome stuff all around.
☺ ☻
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 17:35:22
September 02 2011 17:35 GMT
#84
if jangbi doesn't beat soo i'll be soo mad
Writer
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
September 02 2011 17:41 GMT
#85
Interesting article, and Riptide's article is wonderful and correct. Go go BW !!!
Khassar de Templari
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
September 02 2011 17:45 GMT
#86
I shall be awaiting the jangbanging
None are so busy as the fool and knave.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
September 02 2011 18:22 GMT
#87
On September 02 2011 20:30 KwarK wrote:
I guess the ban on fomos content stopped us from using this in the news itself but in my capacity as a normal tl poster sharing shit with people, here is JangBi's pushbreak in game 2.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1

Everyone watch This.

Jangbi is still fuckin awesome.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
September 02 2011 18:50 GMT
#88
comon jangbi. I believe ^_^
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 18:52:30
September 02 2011 18:51 GMT
#89
On September 02 2011 20:30 KwarK wrote:
I guess the ban on fomos content stopped us from using this in the news itself but in my capacity as a normal tl poster sharing shit with people, here is JangBi's pushbreak in game 2.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1




and

starleague forever
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 02 2011 19:50 GMT
#90
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starleague forever
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 02 2011 20:04 GMT
#91
I used to have trouble trying to pin down what exactly makes Flash play so well.

That flowchart completely nails it IMO.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
September 02 2011 20:07 GMT
#92
I think that flowchart works for his TvT too, and if you add a loop where he builds marines instead of tanks while <120 supply, his TvZ as well.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
AnonymousSC
Profile Joined September 2011
United States24 Posts
September 02 2011 20:09 GMT
#93
That flowchart was perfect and the yay im bonjwa part made me lol so much
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
September 02 2011 20:29 GMT
#94
My heart says Fantasy Jangbi finals.
My mind says soO Hydra finals.
My cock says Nada's body.
What does it matter how I loose it?
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 21:47:45
September 02 2011 21:47 GMT
#95
JangBi fighting! Take down Soo and destroy Fantasy!!!
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
September 03 2011 02:46 GMT
#96
Jangbi had 26 days to practice exclusively for Flash whereas our resident bonjwa only had 1 week to prepare after PL finals.

I don't see how Jangbi's success is really indicative of a player that's capable of beating someone like Flash under normal circumstances. Hell, I think he'll be hard pressed to advance from the semi finals stage with the shaky play he displayed in earlier rounds.

I don't see why people are claiming Flash is boring either.

He actually knows how to play BIO vs zerg and does it well with beautiful m&m spreads and crazy aggressive builds with vults/valks (See recent MSL finals - Flash Vs Zero).

If you want to see more crazy games see the game he played vs Best on fortress using brilliant dropship play (linklink).

Oh yeah, he makes TvT exciting (Link).

Trust SKT1/Bisu fanboys to sully the good name of our bonjwa.

Perhaps they should actually WATCH his games instead of making blatant generalisations.
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
September 03 2011 02:50 GMT
#97
^^

At least the flowchart was good for a few laughs though. ...and seriously, there's not much Flash anti-fans can do except pull out of the old "he's boring" card.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
September 03 2011 03:00 GMT
#98
Outstanding preview guys.... Really well done!

COME ON JANGBI!!! LEGEND OF THE FALL, BABY!!!
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
September 03 2011 05:09 GMT
#99
On September 03 2011 02:35 ]343[ wrote:
if jangbi doesn't beat soo i'll be soo mad


lol i see what u did there
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
September 03 2011 16:39 GMT
#100
On September 03 2011 05:29 Percutio wrote:
My heart says Fantasy Jangbi finals.
My mind says soO Hydra finals.
My cock says Nada's body.


HAHA well spoken!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
September 03 2011 18:06 GMT
#101
Analysis is spelled wrong
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
September 04 2011 17:23 GMT
#102
On September 02 2011 20:30 KwarK wrote:
I guess the ban on fomos content stopped us from using this in the news itself but in my capacity as a normal tl poster sharing shit with people, here is JangBi's pushbreak in game 2.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1


This should really go down as a great moment in Starcraft history. But it depends on if Jangbi can play to his potential and at least get to the final. It should be noted he once went on a very good PvZ streak, and as mentioned has played some very impressive games in the past. He is capable so let's hope he can do it.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10150 Posts
September 04 2011 18:42 GMT
#103
Holy crap wat did i miss? i havent touched this computer for 10 days and it feels so weird... omfg... stupid gay power outage i hate you irene... god dang it flash, yah, yah, zvp bo5 lolz. and ooohhhh hydra vs fanta... hydra 3-2
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
September 04 2011 19:24 GMT
#104
On September 02 2011 16:39 white_horse wrote:
soO should lose on purpose because if he wins, he is basically signing up for the hatred of 1 million protoss fans.


I don't even like Toss and I'm rooting for Jangbi.
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levarien11111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 06:20:10
September 08 2011 06:19 GMT
#105
oh yes the same exact play every game? you kidding me? now dont get me wrong there are similar plays he does but flash wins with different styles , this in essence means some games he just loses straight up because someone countered his particular style on that day. This is why jangbi got crushed the first game and flash thought that jangbi would react to his rushing strat and so flash just went straight up macro game instead flash's mind game didn't work and he lost because of that.

now when you over simplify what flash does like every other fucking idiot then you will be called an idiot.

flash is good because of what he does every game. all his strategies he comes up with, the styles he uses, the incredibly riskey things he does and you call him a boring player really?

to me flash is the epitome of creativity with a strong standard game that allows him to be creative.

He knows when to cheese usually. he knows what builds to use and he knows how to execute them.

when you think flash's tvp is boring you are only partially correct but flash has a million variations to what he does regardless of what you may or may not think and certainly should not be criticized by someone who is not a progamer.

i know why flash lost its not something so spectacular but just something i have seen many times when flash loses.

His style on that particular day just happened to get countered and he didn't win the mind games he tried to play by rushing that is it.

death is only the beginning
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
September 08 2011 16:57 GMT
#106
Jangbi for gold dammit
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Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
September 09 2011 08:00 GMT
#107
Yay Kwark analysis <3

Great job guys, hoping for some intense games in Jangbi v Soo
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 13:00:35
September 09 2011 12:59 GMT
#108
Now we have:

-final with deffending champion with winning record against the pretender.
-pretender that wants to punish champion for humilating his teammate
-champion that wants to punish pretender for humilating his teammate
-players playing their best matchups
-one ex-konliner vs kongliner
-pretender getting throuth from wildcard
-possibility to get a first protoss gold since 2009
-guys returning from a slump, and pretender from a long slump- and they are fighting for gold

AND WHAT CAN BE BETTER THAN THAT? ONLY INCREDIBLE 3-2 FINAL WITH PROTOSS WINING THIS AFTER LONG SERIES!
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 09 2011 13:10 GMT
#109
Huh i thought forgg was the pretender?
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 13:27:54
September 09 2011 13:17 GMT
#110
On September 09 2011 22:10 ShadeR wrote:
Huh i thought forgg was the pretender?


Pretender to championship, man. Not just a nickname.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
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