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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
December 30 2010 09:58 GMT
#41
GO JAEDONG GO!
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
December 30 2010 10:10 GMT
#42
GO JAEDONG GO!
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 30 2010 10:45 GMT
#43
GO JAEDONG GO!

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sick write up
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 30 2010 11:53 GMT
#44
GO SNOW GO

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go go.go go has to be the best one though
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9535 Posts
December 30 2010 11:56 GMT
#45
It's absolutely fascinating how the ZvZ matchup is considered the most boring one, and yet has the potential to be the most exciting one. Even though so far, all the long ZvZ's have been pretty much unintentional, it would be really awesome if players started going into late ZvZ on purpose.

Also, good job flamewheel for writing so many BW articles. You're gonna spoil us
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Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
December 30 2010 14:27 GMT
#46
GO JAEDONG GO!

(even though i joined in a bit late). Great analysis!! Late game ZvZ is so rare, that it will never be figured out completely. That is why it is so entertaining. Its like watching a new game
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Getz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States559 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 14:31:40
December 30 2010 14:31 GMT
#47
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스타크래프트
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 15:17:49
December 30 2010 15:17 GMT
#48
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 30 2010 15:32 GMT
#49
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United States270 Posts
December 30 2010 15:39 GMT
#50
GO JAEDONG GO!
Jaedong forever.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 16:01:46
December 30 2010 16:01 GMT
#51
GO JAEDONG GO!!!
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
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United States612 Posts
December 30 2010 16:47 GMT
#52
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
December 30 2010 17:11 GMT
#53
GO BISU GO!

GO JAEDONG GO!
jaedong imba
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
December 30 2010 17:33 GMT
#54
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zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 30 2010 17:47 GMT
#55
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GO KAL GO
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 30 2010 18:32 GMT
#56
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
December 30 2010 18:35 GMT
#57
On December 30 2010 20:56 2Pacalypse- wrote:
It's absolutely fascinating how the ZvZ matchup is considered the most boring one, and yet has the potential to be the most exciting one. Even though so far, all the long ZvZ's have been pretty much unintentional, it would be really awesome if players started going into late ZvZ on purpose.

Also, good job flamewheel for writing so many BW articles. You're gonna spoil us


If I recall correctly Zero vs Great on thriatlon happened on purpose as Zero spored up even though it was 12 hatch vs 12 pool. Also Effort vs S2(I think) also happened on purpose as effort double expanded into spores, the strat looked viable on maps with an inbase mineral only like Andromeda and Judgement Day.


On December 30 2010 15:17 Tohron wrote:
Just a thought, perhaps queens could enable an air-based ZvZ endgame? Since swarm is the main thing shutting down endgame air play, defiler-sniping via broodling could really hurt defensive capabilities, and broodlings would also be a deterrent to ultras since queens are cheaper. As long as you have air superiority, you can press your advantage with mutas a few guardians while swarm-lurker protects your own bases.

Just theorycrafting.


looks pretty micro intensive as a single plague on the mutas means death. Interesting idea but I doubt it's physically possible to pull off.

On December 30 2010 16:10 Crunchums wrote:
it's really cool to have someone who actually understands zvz talk about it a bit, good work

i don't know why we are doing this but: GO JAEDONG GO!

On December 30 2010 18:31 Titusmaster6 wrote:
A really resfreshing and detailed look at lategame zvz. Thanks for the write up, GO SWARM GO!

On December 30 2010 17:01 Iplaythings wrote:
GO STATS GO!

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I dont care he isnt in the MSL :D


Thanks for the writeup ! really some insight from swanized on the zvz lategame :D


*blush*

thanks for support guys
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
December 30 2010 18:43 GMT
#58
Nice article.

Swanized is also very gosu at zvz and people should play him so they get experience of losing to someone so good. Everyone should go and ask him to play zvz with them.

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GO JAEDONG GO


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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 30 2010 19:04 GMT
#59
swanized definitely best ZvZ player on teamliquid. He'll crush you with his skills so go play him.

Also I'm going to throttle you if you keep misspelling Triathlon ~_~
On December 31 2010 03:43 Harem wrote:
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Bahaha in the end we still got you.
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MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
December 30 2010 19:22 GMT
#60
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Awesome write up, loved the ramble.
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