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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 09 2010 09:06 GMT
#21
On August 09 2010 17:19 538 wrote:
Really nice writeups, thanks a lot!

My only wish is that you'd normalize the game rating system at the end of battle reports. It could be the common element in all the reports, that would create an organized structure for the - otherwise great - practice of several people with different styles and opinions working on these reports.

It seems apparent that different authors have different ideas in mind as to what that rating is supposed to be. Some rate out of 5, some out of 10, some give it a /5, or a N/A/10, not to mention the obvious jokes, "0/10 after ultras" and such comments. What is this?

I wish this was more consistent. I know everyone has different ideas of entertainment value, but this could be a great tool to value and watch games according to a somewhat skilled and authoritive source, and as i said, to create some internal structure. As it is, its nothing more than a very confusing "common" element in the different battle reports done by different people.


Those ratings are fairly obvious in intent. The sad face out of 5 means a disappointing game, the N/A means the game had no merit or value, it just happened and there's nothing to even give it a rating for. The 0/10 after ultras is consistent criticism that references the article itself.
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 09:17:03
August 09 2010 09:14 GMT
#22
On August 09 2010 18:06 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 17:19 538 wrote:
Really nice writeups, thanks a lot!

My only wish is that you'd normalize the game rating system at the end of battle reports. It could be the common element in all the reports, that would create an organized structure for the - otherwise great - practice of several people with different styles and opinions working on these reports.

It seems apparent that different authors have different ideas in mind as to what that rating is supposed to be. Some rate out of 5, some out of 10, some give it a /5, or a N/A/10, not to mention the obvious jokes, "0/10 after ultras" and such comments. What is this?

I wish this was more consistent. I know everyone has different ideas of entertainment value, but this could be a great tool to value and watch games according to a somewhat skilled and authoritive source, and as i said, to create some internal structure. As it is, its nothing more than a very confusing "common" element in the different battle reports done by different people.


Those ratings are fairly obvious in intent. The sad face out of 5 means a disappointing game, the N/A means the game had no merit or value, it just happened and there's nothing to even give it a rating for. The 0/10 after ultras is consistent criticism that references the article itself.

Yes, it's clear what they mean given their context, but its quite useless and confusing to force every review to include the same "ratings" if the interpretation of it is completely up to the author, and they dont even try to be part of some common standard.

I'd prefer if they all gave ratings, say, between 0-10 out of 10, then add a line of personal comment if they'd like, such as "I'd prefer -10", "breathtaking play" or "" or "piss-poor" or whatever. You cant even have the illusion of comparability when you're dealing with a scale of "Machine to 8" and an other one of " to 5".
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33643 Posts
August 09 2010 10:15 GMT
#23
On August 09 2010 18:14 538 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 18:06 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 09 2010 17:19 538 wrote:
Really nice writeups, thanks a lot!

My only wish is that you'd normalize the game rating system at the end of battle reports. It could be the common element in all the reports, that would create an organized structure for the - otherwise great - practice of several people with different styles and opinions working on these reports.

It seems apparent that different authors have different ideas in mind as to what that rating is supposed to be. Some rate out of 5, some out of 10, some give it a /5, or a N/A/10, not to mention the obvious jokes, "0/10 after ultras" and such comments. What is this?

I wish this was more consistent. I know everyone has different ideas of entertainment value, but this could be a great tool to value and watch games according to a somewhat skilled and authoritive source, and as i said, to create some internal structure. As it is, its nothing more than a very confusing "common" element in the different battle reports done by different people.


Those ratings are fairly obvious in intent. The sad face out of 5 means a disappointing game, the N/A means the game had no merit or value, it just happened and there's nothing to even give it a rating for. The 0/10 after ultras is consistent criticism that references the article itself.

Yes, it's clear what they mean given their context, but its quite useless and confusing to force every review to include the same "ratings" if the interpretation of it is completely up to the author, and they dont even try to be part of some common standard.

I'd prefer if they all gave ratings, say, between 0-10 out of 10, then add a line of personal comment if they'd like, such as "I'd prefer -10", "breathtaking play" or "" or "piss-poor" or whatever. You cant even have the illusion of comparability when you're dealing with a scale of "Machine to 8" and an other one of " to 5".


Right now it's a bit difficult for us to agree on an overall rating. It would force us writers to have weekly panels where we argue with each other for extended periods of time.

I think the best way is to think of it like the Power Rank. The system is a bit different for each writer, but the writer tries to be consistent within his own system

OR maybe we will return to our old format we used last season, where one writer does all of the "overall" ratings, and one writer does all of the player ratings. Anyway thanks for the input :D
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44137 Posts
August 09 2010 10:24 GMT
#24
Hopefully you should be able to calculate the /10 scores for my /5s. The one game I designated rather than a number should not be taken as a recommendation so can be ignored.
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PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
August 09 2010 10:43 GMT
#25
Nice write-ups. I miss the almost daily PL games, but look forward to the MSL and OSL reaching it's final stages.

Sadly I think Kwark sums up Bisu's play perfectly atm. I want to believe that he's back, but he's just too inconsistent, and sadly too predictable.
~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
August 09 2010 11:12 GMT
#26
Such a nice article, that's quite amazing !

About group A, if Effort beats Bisu, Leta might decide his game against Action isn't as valuable as getting those 2 strong contenders out of OSL. But he'd finish 2nd in his group in this case so he'll have to think about it...
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
August 09 2010 13:07 GMT
#27
On August 09 2010 17:18 motbob wrote:
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On August 09 2010 17:15 Heimatloser wrote:

Player Ratings
Flash: 6/10
Flash had it very easy, since his opponent refused to defend. In an interview, Flash mentioned he had never expected the game to end outright with the rush, and he just took the gift as it came. Still, it was perfect execution in a very advantageous situation.

so you get 6 of 10 for perfect execution these days?
or does it have to anything with flash being flash?

Kwark hates Flash, everyone knows that. There's a 6/10 ceiling on any games Flash play.


LOL so that's why... but I remember him giving Flash 5/5 on his games vs Baby last OSL?
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 13:08:40
August 09 2010 13:08 GMT
#28
To be clear, I was being sarcastic.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 09 2010 13:56 GMT
#29
Flash vs Zero game was insane, absolutely great defiler control (and Zero's transition from mutas into 2,3 extra bases was very nice). Flash with the clever overlord-irradiating killed quite a few lings.

On August 09 2010 17:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh man I scrolled down looking for PokeDex and cried when I didn't find it =(

Great write-up nonetheless!

Me too
:)
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
August 09 2010 14:24 GMT
#30
Progamer Pokedex will be back next week, for all five of you that liked it.

Surely there's more than five of us D:
brood war for life, brood war forever
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
August 09 2010 14:36 GMT
#31
Jaedong is stupid... trying mutakill against player which easily is beatable by standard play.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
August 09 2010 15:37 GMT
#32
nice write up, thanks
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 09 2010 16:30 GMT
#33
WHERE IS POKEDEX

Excellent writeup, I was most amused by that Flash vs Zero game, best I've seen in a long time.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
August 09 2010 16:31 GMT
#34
Stork, Hiya and Sea its like a dream come true all the coolest players right there
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
August 09 2010 17:06 GMT
#35
Really enjoyed Kwark's game reviews, particularly the Bisu bashing
Yhamm is the god of predictions
bds.soko
Profile Joined June 2010
United States40 Posts
August 09 2010 17:11 GMT
#36
Great read! but Pokedex is missing
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
August 09 2010 17:17 GMT
#37
excellent write-up!

loved bisu vs leta's battle report it was hilariously entertaining
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
August 09 2010 18:04 GMT
#38
I like pokedex too! =]

Great battle reports guys, I know how hard it is to put out great work week after week after week after week. I really appreciate it!
True learning is not the memorization of knowledge; it is the internalization of patterns.
Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
August 09 2010 18:11 GMT
#39
In terms of Jaedong winning over Hydra with a BO advantage (12 pool vs 9 pool respectively), didn't the exact same thing happen to ZerO in GSM oz vs stars, and ZerO won?..I could be wrong on what build ZerO used, but I thought he used a 9 pool. I didn't watch Jaedong vs Hydra so maybe JD didn't FE or something in that game like he did against ZerO. Somebody correct the poor noob that is me please :<
"Don't be distracted by the what if's, should'ves, and if onlys. The one thing you choose yourself - THAT is the truth of your universe." Fav T: Sea, Leta, Really Fav P: Free, Snow Fav Z: ZerO, GGplay, Jaedong, Neo.G_Soulkey
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
August 09 2010 18:23 GMT
#40
On August 10 2010 03:11 Doughboy wrote:
In terms of Jaedong winning over Hydra with a BO advantage (12 pool vs 9 pool respectively), didn't the exact same thing happen to ZerO in GSM oz vs stars, and ZerO won?..I could be wrong on what build ZerO used, but I thought he used a 9 pool. I didn't watch Jaedong vs Hydra so maybe JD didn't FE or something in that game like he did against ZerO. Somebody correct the poor noob that is me please :<

Uh, yes. I should have specified 12 pool gas as opposed to 12 pool expand. One of those builds could conceivably die to a 9 pool, and the other could not.

Back when Jaedong was losing ZvZs left and right during a certain period last year (he lost to Effort in a Bo3, and then to Calm in a Bo5 about a month later) he kept 12 pool expanding when it wasn't safe against 9 pools. I hope he isn't going to start making that mistake again.
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