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[OSL] Round of 36, Week 2

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[OSL] Round of 36, Week 2

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June 30th, 2010 06:30 GMT
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by Motbob, Pangshai, and WaxAngel

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Results and Battle Reports

Weekly Wrap Up and
Progamer Pokedex - Part II


As you may or may not know, Kwark was actually a very good player at a certain point in time, even finishing second place in WCG UK a few years ago. For that reason we enjoy having him on the OSL team, as it gives us the ounce of credibility we need to viciously disparage the play of professionals who are much better than us. Unfortunately, Kwark is gone for a few weeks, so I'm afraid our usual policy of settling disagreements with our readers through 1v1 BW matches is suspended for the time being. By the way, if anyone wants to be our temporary gosu consultant, please leave your business card.





Round of 36, Week 2


Quick Results


+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
Group D
(P)Brave > (T)Light - Eye of the Storm
(P)Brave < (T)Light - Flight-Dreamliner
(P)Brave > (T)Light - Grand Line SE
       (P)Brave < (T)Fantasy - Eye of the Storm
       (P)Brave < (T)Fantasy - Flight-Dreamliner
(T)Fantasy qualifies for the OSL RO16.

Group E
(T)Leta < (P)Pusan - Eye of the Storm
(T)Leta > (P)Pusan - Flight-Dreamliner
(T)Leta > (P)Pusan - Grand Line SE
       (Z)Kwanro > (T)Leta - Eye of the Storm
       (Z)Kwanro < (T)Leta - Flight-Dreamliner
       (Z)Kwanro < (T)Leta - Grand Line SE
(T)Leta qualifies for the OSL RO16.

Group F
(P)Bisu > (T)Mind - Eye of the Storm
(P)Bisu > (T)Mind - Flight-Dreamliner
      (P)Bisu > (Z)hyvaa - Eye of the Storm
      (P)Bisu > (Z)hyvaa - Flight-Dreamliner
(P)Bisu qualifies for the OSL RO16.



Battle Reports

Map Order: Eye of the Storm - Flight-Dreamliner - Grand Line SE

June 23rd Games

Group D: (P)Brave vs (T)Light

+ Show Spoiler [ Brave vs Light - Game One] +
by WaxAngel

Game one was resolved in a hurry, as Light decided he would go all-in with a center BBS rush on Eye of the Storm. With pylon-nexus being a popular build on the map, it could have been an easy short cut to victory. Brave decided to play safe, however, and went for the standard gateway first play including a zealot. Even though Brave didn’t even succeed at scouting the barracks in the center, he defended Light’s rush expertly on reaction by pulling several probes off mining. After his rush failed, Light quickly GG’d to move on to the next game.


+ Show Spoiler [ Brave vs Light - Game Two] +
by WaxAngel

Brave decided to repay cheese with cheese in Game Two, using the two player nature of Flight-Dreamliner to send out an early probe and build an assimilator on Light’s geyser. Light responded with the standard bunker and fast expansion followup, while Brave expected this and expanded in turn.

The game flowed along without much aggression after the two players expanded, with Light soon preparing to take yet another expansion by building a third command center. Brave delayed his own third expansion, instead going for four gateways and a shuttle to put the pressure on Terran. At the same time, he began to warp in a stargate for carrier tech, solidly locking him into two base play for the time being.

Brave found a great window to attack while Light was still stretched thin from having taken his third expansion. He used dragoons and a zealot bomb to deftly remove Light’s tanks, and was easily able to destroy Light’s third CC before being forced to retreat.

It looked like Brave was on his way to an easy 2-0 series victory, but a momentary lapse in concentration immediately flipped the tables. Brave somehow found all of his ground forces in an advanced position when seven vultures paraded completely untouched into his natural and main. At ninety-three poulation before the raid, Brave was left with only sixty-four psi after his carriers finally got rid of the vultures (these were almost purely probe losses).

Right back in his preferred TvP situation, Light proceeded with his original plan of turtling in his corner of the map while he waited for his upgrades to kick in. Brave’s carriers were unable to threaten Light at all, as they were too few in number to keep up with the constant interceptor losses to goliath fire.

After a few minutes of uneventful building up, Light moved out with a big force of 2/2 goliaths and tanks. Brave had been unable to build enough units in that time, and the law of more stuff > less stuff carried the day. With his army trampled flat, Brave GG’d.


+ Show Spoiler [ Brave vs Light - Game Three] +
by WaxAngel

The game kicked off with the two players on opposite ends of Grand Line SE (Light at bottom left, Brave at top right), which predicted the long game ahead. Brave lucked into the advantageous build order for the starting spots, going for a straight pylon-nexus build, while Light went for a very standard rax-gas-factory. The scouting went Brave’s way as well, with his probe scouting diagonally, while Light’s clockwise scouting discovered Brave’s nexus as it was nearly complete. Fortunately for Light, his first marine came out before Brave’s probe could get up his ramp, which would have allowed Brave to put him on an exact build order. As it was, Light went for a command center after single vulture. This single vulture did manage to get three probe kills at Brave’s natural, as Brave’s dragoons did not come out quite in time.

In order to catch up, Light greedily started building his third command center at his mineral-only expansion, relying on only mines for defense. Light placed only a few mines outside his natural, and sent his first three vultures out to try and put mines down outside Brave’s base. The timing on Light’s vulture play turned out to be very unlucky, as Brave had decided to be very enterprising with his first four dragoons and single zealot. Brave was already knocking at Light’s door by the time the vultures reached the Protoss natural, and he went for the home-run play by attempting to manually defuse the mines and break into the Terran natural. He was half-successful in his attempt, not losing any dragoons but taking one critical hit from a mine. Light lost a tank and some SCVs as he scrambled to defend, but he was able to hold off the attack without taking a terrible amount of damage.

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Low health from taking a single mine hit forced these dragoons to run back sooner than necessary.


Even though Brave should have had a comfortable advantage from his initial build order and successful attack, he quickly set about letting it waste away. Completely unaware of Light’s mineral-only expansion, he had gone up to four gateways in his main before taking his own mineral-only. Brave had only began to warp in his third nexus when Light had already finished his CC. Some dragoons assisted by an observer could have easily forced a lift of Light’s third CC, but Brave was essentially letting Light expand naked. By the time Brave scouted Light’s mineral only, there was already a strong wall-in with tanks in place.

Brave’s took the initiative with the next move, although it’s hard to tell whether or not it was in response to his late discovery of Light’s expansion. Once more, Brave committed heavily to carriers by putting down two stargates and a fleet beacon. In the meanwhile, Light was going for the same old two armory macro style Terran.

In a surprising move, Light decided to be aggressive very early. Before a single upgrade completed, at around one hundred supply, Light moved out with small force featuring eight siege tanks. It turns out he had scanned the stargates and the fleet beacon, and knew Brave would be low on forces (Brave had over twenty dragoons, but was still without zealot speed due to his early investment in carriers). He allowed Light a lot of time to push forward, letting a round of Terran reinforcements (including goliaths) arrive. With his first two carriers, Brave decided he needed to make a stand, and attacked as Light was getting just over the halfway mark on the map.

Luck shined on Brave, as everything went right for him in the pivotal battle that followed. Light’s vultures had all briefly gone north to check on the possibility of a 12:00 expansion. While half of his tanks were sieged, the other half were forced panic-siege. Dragoons can make a decent argument sieged tanks when they don’t have to deal with the initial long range, face melting volley, and Brave’s superior numbers carried the day with ease.

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Even when Protoss wins the battle, goon soup is the highlight.


In the aftermath of the battle, Terran was forced back to his original position while Protoss came out with a pleasant-but-not-serious twenty supply advantage. The textbook play of expand while attacking had been in play for Light, who had successfully taken 6:00 and 4:00 despite having fought a losing battle. Brave was still in something of a tight spot considering the fact that he was stuck on three bases, and would need to do something with his carriers soon.

With Light now setting up the majority of his forces on the 'grand line' of the map in order to cover 6:00, Brave made a gutsy move and took his four carriers and motley ground force around the left side of the grand line and attacked the mostly empty Terran main. Light was forced to pull back his troops to clean up the ground troops, but the carriers escaped unscathed. Brave failed to do serious damage, but did get the benefit of killing off two armories and a round of troops from the factory. Or to put it another way, it was like a mildly successful recall, except half your money in troops lived to fight another day. Similarly to a recall, it gave Brave some breathing space as he finally started expansions at 12:00 and the 3:00 isle.

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Who needs recall when you can just walk around a poorly positioned Terran army?


There was a brief respite for both players as they macroed up, and then the hostilities resumed. Brave had over eight carriers supported by a mainly dragoon ground army, while Light had made mostly goliaths supported by tanks to counter. The forces met almost incidentally, with Brave moving his forces down the right side of the grand line to hit the 4:00 base, while Light had just unsieged his army from the center to go to some yet undetermined location. Light took the advantage in this hastily arranged melee, as Brave’s forces were running south in a line into the Terran formation. After watching half his ground forces get decimated, Brave tried to pull back his army while his many carriers remained to trade shots with the goliaths.

It seemed that Brave had made the prudent choice to cut his losses, but Light made an absolutely brilliant move during battle to send his vultures around to place mines behind the Protoss lines. If the battle had gone poorly for Light, the mines would have damaged any arriving Protoss reinforcements, and if it went well….

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According to this screencap, Brave is neither macroing or microing.


Even though Light had completely decimated Brave’s ground forces, he emerged from the battle with too small a goliath force left to challenge Brave’s mass carriers. So despite having lost the battle, Brave achieved his initial goal when his carriers moved onto the 4:00 base and removed the CC in a second. The situation had become surprisingly difficult for Light, despite the two players being at similar populations at around 130. Brave had achieved significant air superiority, while Light’s mineral only expansion had run dry (though he had recently taken the 10:00 main). This put both players at roughly three fully functional basis, with Protoss being much more mobile.

The two players smartly tried to take advantage of the advantages they possessed. Light sent a small group of tanks with nothing left to fight to kill off the 12:00 expansion, while Brave used his mobile carriers to fly between the cliffs at 8:00 and 6:00 to evade the goliaths while harassing. Light didn’t have the mobility to stop the harassment at all locations, and ended up losing his own 6:00 expansion in return.

In addition, Brave had the cheek to focus fire down Light’s academy and all but one comsat station. This move paid immediate dividends as a dark templar was able to shut down the 10:00 base with ease, which left Light with only his very dry natural as a mining base.

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I've yet to see this really work in a game.


In a moment of excessive exuberance, Brave tried to go for the kill. Sending some dragoons and DTs to finish off the 10:00 base, his carriers went into Light’s main to start demolishing the factories. Unfortunately this turned out to be a terrible decision for Brave, seeing that Light didn’t actually have the money to make units at this point, and he had almost nothing left to do but try and kill carriers with his huge goliath army. The ability to travel between the 8:00 main and the 6:00 expansion had been the Brave’s advantage before, and when he went into the Terran main, he was inviting Light to trap him.

Brave tried to use his few DTs and Light’s lack of scan to spring his carriers free, but his execution in a close situation was not up to par and he ended up losing them all to a single well timed scan. The carriers effectively trapped, and they lost all but one of their number trying to make their escape.

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Look at the minimap. See that big yellow line? Forty goliath carrier trap.


Light's determination to make it to the OSL Ro16 shined through as he somehow expanded to 5:00 yet again during the chaos. With the carriers now gone and the base situation at 1:1 (3:00 isle for brave, 5:00 main for light), the game seemed like it was on even ground again. However, Light’s situation was deceptively poor. Brave wasn’t dumb enough to stick with carriers while his opponent made an all-goliath army, and had transitioned to a total dragoon and zealot army in the meanwhile. A fair amount of goliaths had been killed off by the carriers as well, so it was no surprise when Brave simply waltzed into the 5:00 base to destroy it.

The game was effectively finished at this point, but Light had to go through the motions of trying as hard as he could, considering what was on the line (and that’s just the way he plays). He floated his natural CC up to the 9:00 isle and made enough tanks to hold onto his main while 5:00 fell, which meant that he could survive for the time being. But he had nothing resembling map control at this point, which left Brave free to expand at will. Light still had a few minutes of fight left in him, before Brave snuffed it out with a strong ground attack.

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When his opponent is pretty much dead, even an OSL rookie can perform an impressive coordinated attack.


Group E: (T)Leta vs (P)Pusan

+ Show Spoiler [ Leta vs Pusan - Game One] +
by Motbob

In game 1 on Eye of the Storm, Leta made a pretty bad mistake early on with his marines. He positioned them so that they'd be able to see Pusan's first zealot as late as possible:

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The marines weren't able to see the zealot until it got to the position of the red circle


This mistake led to Pusan getting a scouting probe into Leta's base and seeing the lack of a 2 factory build. Soon, Pusan knew exactly what Leta was doing, but Leta didn't have anything in Pusan's base. However, Pusan graciously reciprocated Leta's mistake, letting an SCV see his expansion as it warped in.

After a bit, Leta tried to take a page out of Flash's book and take the expo between his and Pusan's main. Since Leta is not Flash, he overextended himself and lost most of his tanks to dragoons. He was able to take the base, though, and set to work constructing Flashesque depot walls, trying to defend his expo against arbiters and dragoons with, something like two tanks and some duct tape. There was a pretty wide window during which Pusan could have taken out Leta's third, but he missed it and Leta got up a solid wall of depots surrounding his base. Pusan had to be content with expanding and attempting to crush Leta's push for a fourth base when it came.

While he was waiting for the push, Pusan recalled into Leta's main in the perfect position, and supported that recall with a perfect zealot drop. This delayed the push while Pusan teched to carriers.

Unfortunately, while carriers were massing, those pesky vultures of Leta's got into Pusan's base and started killing massive amount of zealots and probes. They saw the fleet beacon. Pusan was 50 supply down and looked like he was in really bad shape, but he recalled in what looked like a desperation move. Somehow, it worked perfectly: by the time Leta was able to start taking out bases with his ground army, Pusan had enough carriers to drive him away. Except... Pusan didn't drive Leta away. Leta's army just loitered around and died to the carriers. It was all downhill from there. Pusan 1-0.


+ Show Spoiler [ Leta vs Pusan - Game Two] +
by Motbob

Game 2 was on Dreamliner, and it was really long carrier game! Alright! Maybe I can make educated decisions about this map now. The parallels to Blue Storm just keep coming: every protoss seems to be going reavers, carriers, or both. Let's take a look at how Pusan lost after switching to carriers late, which, as our resident progamer Idra claims, rarely ever happens.

One cool highlight of this game was Leta's use of misdirection to get a vulture into Pusan's base early on. Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPEPtT-Oi84#t=4m32s
Pusan looks like a chump here


The vulture got what are perhaps the most richly deserved probe kills this year before biting the dust. After that, Leta was pretty obviously ahead: his second base was up without any trouble at about the same time as the Protoss's, and he was on the way to a favorable endgame against a mechanically weaker player. Unfortunately for the Miracle Terran, his opponent had prepared the perfect build for Dreamliner. After getting 2 bases, Pusan both rushed for arbiter tech and took a quick third. Obviously, this meant that he had no army, and Leta accordingly pushed, probably thinking that the game was in the bag.

However, Pusan came up with a stroke of complete genius: since every Terran is scared to death by reavers on Dreamliner, he banked on the fact that Leta would build only a engineering bay in the early midgame, and not build scanners. If Leta had built an academy, Pusan would have died right then and there, but defending with pure DT was definitely a correct risk to take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPEPtT-Oi84#t=7m20s
Pusan looks like a champ here


After he crushed Leta's first push, Pusan just sat there passively with his arbiter tech, and it was really mystifying to watch. He didn't even try at all to poke and prod towards Leta's natural or his new third base. I think there was even a window of time where Pusan had arbiters but Leta didn't even have scanners. Basically, Pusan let his tech advantage go to waste.

The fact that he shouldn't have been so passive with his arbs isn't changed by the fact that he went carriers shortly after his second arbiter popped. He should have tried to get an advantage -- Leta was cruising towards a good situation, with double upgrades and four bases close to one other (he hadn't moved to take the top island, which would have been vulnerable to carriers), and Pusan shouldn't have just relied on the element of surprise from the carriers to win him the game. If he wanted to beat a superior player, he should have used his ground army.

Pusan did do one thing really well. He made it look as if a recall were imminent, and Leta reacted really strongly to that perceived threat. He mined up his main densely and didn't seem to even suspect the carriers. He was content to sit on his four bases, build defenses against recalls, and eventually push. And that's what he did -- in fact, once he moved out, he had a higher supply than Pusan, which isn't really a good sign for Protosses in the TvP matchup.

Pusan moved his carriers to Leta's main at the south as Leta moved to the north with his ground army. This sort of seemed like the wrong decision -- I mean, Leta barely had any goliaths with his army, so when carriers started tearing up his main, he shrugged his shoulders and just started ravaging Pusan's expansions from the top down.

After a few minutes of ravaging, Pusan brought an arbiter down to recall goons into Leta's main. He was trying to take out the factories and end the game right away. However, things didn't work out so well because of the mines that Leta had laid earlier to defend against recalls. Soon it was just a battle of goliaths vs carriers over factories that were pumping more goliaths. In the meantime, a force of tanks were continuing their siege of the north.

After a little while, Pusan came to his senses, stopped trying to all-in on the factories, and went back to defend his main, which was being sieged. Then he took his remaining ground army and carriers and barreled down the left side of the map, destroying the defenses at the base Leta was preparing to take, the command center he was planning to float there, and Leta's 4th base. However, he lost a lot of interceptors in the attack and had zero minerals after everything was said and done. For a Protoss going carriers, that's the sign that things are going downhill.

What probably sealed the game was when Leta, in a flash of ballertude, sent vultures out to Pusan's natural and sniped three crucial HT's. The camera flashed to Pusan's face, and although there was no zoom-in of death to emphasize Pusan's plight, all the spectators needed to see was his knowing grimace.

Leta prolonged the game with some questionable decision making -- he tried to go for the kill at Pusan's main and it led to the destruction of his army. But Pusan never really had a chance to get another base, and, since he needed to rebuild his interceptors, that meant that, after he was mined out, he didn't really have a chance to win.


+ Show Spoiler [ Leta vs Pusan - Game Three] +
by Motbob
On Grand Line SE, Pusan double nexused and Leta was forced to go the "Oh shit, my factory's already going up, better take my one SCV off gas and get a command center ASAP" route. This basically meant that Leta was behind from the start -- but the Hite Terran's nickname isn't "miracle Terran" for nothing. Before this game, Leta had pulled off much more difficult comebacks than overcoming a double nexus against a Protoss who hasn't tasted much Proleague action since the year 2007.

The comeback began with Leta stopping Pusan from mining at his natural with a single marine. It continued as Pusan mystifyingly got four relatively fast gates instead of a quick third, and Leta got his third up and secure much more quickly than his Protoss opponent. As Pusan put up a third and fourth, he also teched to carriers for the third time in three games. Pusan did a really awful job of delaying Leta's subsequent push (for what it's worth, Leta controlled the push flawlessly, and that was probably part of the reason Pusan looked so inept.. I've rarely seen tanks, vultures, and goliaths work so well together) and it was only the fact that Pusan's carriers came as a surprise (very strange, as Leta must have been suspecting something after the lack of units. He had barely any goliaths) that saved him.

After that stage of the game, Pusan displayed some of the poorest unit control I've seen from a Protoss this year. His ground army never coordinated with his carriers, and although Leta made a few strategic mistakes, like expanding at inopportune times or not expanding when necessary, Pusan couldn't win a single battle. Thus, he couldn't win the war. Leta 2-1.


Group F: (P)Bisu vs (T)Mind

+ Show Spoiler [ Bisu vs Mind - Game One] +
by Pangshai
Game 1 had all the makings of a macro game, Bisu's 12 nex facing off against Mind's rax-cc on Eye of the Storm. Fast teching to arbiters off of 2 base, Bisu easily held off Mind's half hearted vulture harass - a sneaky ploy by Mind that was actually designed to provide him a degree of map control and army awareness so he could position for a quick third base.

As the third base went up unhindered, and Mind solidified his position with mines, depots, turrets and a tonne of tanks, Bisu answered with 3rd and 4th bases of his own. Mind's defense against recall was strong though, and the supply of both players was quickly reaching 200, meaning Terran was in a good position to take the game. Mind probably had every intention of pushing out once his 2/1 was done, and was posturing to do so when Bisu's attack on his third came.

This time, the supplies were roughly equal at about 190~, but Mind made a crucial mistake - his tanks were sieged on top of mines. Stasises and EMPs went off as soon as the armies clashed, but what really made the difference was Bisu's shuttle of zealots that flew above Mind's tanks and unleashed its payload of death. Mines took out a good chunk of Mind's tanks, roughly 7 or so fell to friendly fire, and this reduced the damage output of Mind's army by a huge amount.

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Despite the major losses, Mind actually did considerable damage to Bisu's army, reducing it to roughly 10 goons or so. Reinforcements quickly made their way to aid their Protoss brethren though, and Mind was forced to abandon his third base, with essentially no hope of retaking it in the near future. Fighting the might of 5 bases Protoss with just 2 bases, Mind was easily overran by a constant stream of units and arbiters from Bisu's camp, and was forced to GG out.

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+ Show Spoiler [ Bisu vs Mind - Game Two] +
by pangshai
Game 2 of Mind vs Bisu almost felt like we'd returned to the days of Blue Storm and Sin Peaks. In the modern era of PvT where arbiters have taken over as the Protoss tech of choice for late game, Bisu showcased a refreshing, and very much welcomed change, reintroducing a long forgotten element in the Protoss arsenal to the battlefields of today.

The early stages of the game were a prelude to the unorthodox play to come, Bisu stealing Mind's gas, and going for fast reavers, to which Mind responded by 1 rax FEing. Early aggression by Bisu came in the form of a 2 zeal, 1 goon drop, and it succeeded in taking out all of Mind's marines before an SCV surround cleaned up. Unfortunately for Bisu, the follow up reaver was denied by a ring of turrets surrounding Mind's main, and the shuttle was brought dangerously low on hp before he finally found a gap in the defense at Mind's nat, taking out a bunker, turret, and marines, for free reign over both mineral lines.

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What commenced next was some exceptional reaver harass, given the circumstances. Despite both shuttle and reaver being low on hp, Bisu's surreal control meant that Mind's SCVs spent more time maynarding between the 2 bases than they did mining minerals. Had the scarabs not glitched as much as they had, the game would most likely have been won there. While the reaver didn't actually kill much, it bought Bisu enough time to double expand and come back from his economic deficit.

The game then descended into your standard TvP macro game. Mind starting up his upgrades and taking his 3rd and 4th base, and Bisu grabbing a quick 4th, and teching to carriers in a corner of his main, all the while maintaining a roughly 40 supply lead over the Terran. Aside from some minor vulture harass attempts, not much action occured in the game, Mind aiming for his 2/1 push, Bisu building up his carrier numbers from 3 stargates.

When he finally hit 5 carriers, Bisu launched his attack, timing it perfectly to happen just before Mind's +2 attack upgrade completed. Mind's sieged up, entrenched army was strong, but was insufficient to duel Bisu's 40 supply lead. They ended up trading armies, but the loss of all those tanks (in addition to him having to spend gas on goliaths now), meant that Mind had already lost the game.

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He tried to salvage the situation, and did well in taking out a good number of Bisu's carriers with his goliaths, but Bisu knew he already had the game won, and after his expansions went down, Mind quickly threw in the GG.


+ Show Spoiler [ Bisu vs Mind - Game Three] +
Bisu won 2-0.




June 25th Games

Group D: (P)Brave vs (T)Fantasy

+ Show Spoiler [ Brave vs Fantasy - Game One] +
by WaxAngel

The game opened up with Fantasy starting at the bottom left position and Brave at top left position on Eye of the Storm. Brave got the advantageous start with a nexus before gateway build, while Fantasy went for a standard rax-gas-fact build. The game was played out similarly to Brave’s games against Light on Grand Line the previous week, where the Terran player responded to a fast Protoss expansion with two fast expansions of his own, and Brave attempted to counter this with fast four gateway pressure. Brave had some success again with his four gate pressure, killing off several of Fantasy’s early tanks that had moved out over-aggressively.

And in another repeat of the last week, Brave found himself with no units protecting his front door after winning a battle against his Terran opponent (his macro had been poor in this case, with money piling up in the bank). Three vultures sped into his main and began to plant mines just as dragoons popped out of the gateways. Brave’s nearest observer was miles away, and in his hurry to put out the fire, Brave tried to fend off the attack with only dragoons. Bad decision.

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One day, I'm going to put a digital picture frame in my living room and have it show the dragoon death animation on repeat.


The three vultures managed to kill four dragoons and a handful of probes with mines, while two more vultures sped into the protoss natural and placed more mines which killed another group of four dragoons. Brave didn’t even succeed at killing the vultures, they continued to go on killing probes. Having lost forty supply in thirty seconds, Brave GG’d to Fantasy’s five vultures.

None of this happens if Brave just macros during the first battle and has four dragoons and an observer at his natural. As it stands, all we can do is wonder how the hell Light lost to this guy.


+ Show Spoiler [ Brave vs Fantasy - Game Two] +
by WaxAngel

The story of game two was Brave telling himself “I AM NOT LOSING TO VULTURES,” and then losing to vultures anyway. The game started with another gas rush from Brave, which developed into another standard situation where both players expanded very quickly. Brave made sure to sim-city all of his chokes with pylons and dragoons (including an awesome 6 pylon wall at his mineral natural), and made sure his observer cover wasn’t atrocious like it was last game. Fantasy constantly poked with his vultures for openings, but with not much going on, the game slowly progressed to three base versus three base.

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I'd like to make fun of Brave, but this is actually pretty typical on Dreamliner so far.


The action began when Fantasy moved his tanks and vultures to a position where they could defend his mineral only expansion. Brave went in for the early-mid game break he had attempted in a few of his previous games, this time with a reaver shuttle and goons. It was a bad idea this time around, as Fantasy’s tank position was too strong. Brave was forced to pull back after taking heavy losses.

More interestingly, Fantasy had sent a group of vultures behind enemy lines just before the battle began and they had chipped away at one of the pylons in six-pylon wall at Brave’s mineral only. After having had a good vulture defense early on, Brave found himself without an observer nearby and was forced to evacuate his mineral only expansion. Fantasy pressed on against his flustered opponent and slipped three vultures into the Protoss main, simply moving through a tiny gap in a three dragoon barricade. In a particularly humiliating scene, Fantasy’s vultures managed to kill the mineral only nexus before Brave could react and send dragoons and observers to defend it.

Once rocked, Brave couldn’t stop teetering, and he found himself with no defense at his natural as even more vultures flooded in to make his life miserable. Presumably very annoyed, Brave went for broke and ran his entire dragoon force into the main Terran siege line in a very suicidal attack. Brave GG’d in a rare progaming rage-quit.


+ Show Spoiler [ Brave vs Fantasy - Game Three] +
Fantasy won 2-0.


Group E: (Z)Kwanro vs (T)Leta

+ Show Spoiler [ Kwanro vs Leta - Game One] +
by Motbob

I was facepalming for basically the entire first seven minutes of the game. If you want to see how NOT to deal with an aggressive zerg, watch the first part this VOD.

After some early game happenings that are too painful to describe, Kwanro got his third base up really easily during muta harass. Leta did a good job of surviving, building a bunch of turrets near his barracks. When your marine count is low, for god's sake build turrets around your barracks! This allows yourself to get your marine count up and not die.

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Of course, this left Leta in a bad position for the endgame, but at least he wasn't dead!

Kwanro kept trying to bust in, and Leta defended competently. When Kwanro got hive tech, the coolest sequence in the game happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxXhvcc5L1o#t=12m41s
chaos


Leta built wraiths and got cloak, timing it so that he activated cloak while a pair of scourge were attacking, so that he got hit by one scourge but was protected from the other one. AWESOME.

Leta seemed pretty screwed. With Hive tech at his doorstep, it was going to be really difficult to break out to a third base. Clearly, the only answer was dropships. Kwanro should have known this, which makes his utter failure to defend against Leta's drop on his nat and main really embarrassing. After this, Leta finally had a chance to expa-- WHAT ARE YOU DOING LETA? DON'T ATTACK KWANRO'S EXPO, MAKE A COMMAND CENTER!! ARGHHHH.

Leta quickly pulled back from his attack only to do a really awesome dual dropship attack on Kwanro's expos. It did some pretty good damage and gave Leta some breathing room, but he was about to mine out and he should have expanded instead of attacking.

Soon, we saw the clash of styles that I was talking about earlier! Harassment vs direct attacks is what defined the rest of the game, and it was really, really fun to watch! My god, was it fun to watch. Everyone should watch this VOD to the end from about the 19 minute mark. Leta lost, but he put up one hell of a fight. If he'd been a little bit better about protecting his only mining base, he probably would have won. I cannot believe that a lot of people thought that this game was bad (Editor's note: Kwanro was playing Hive zerg, how could the game be good?)! This is what Starcraft is all about.


+ Show Spoiler [ Kwanro vs Leta - Game Two] +
by Motbob

Leta dusted off his ancient 2 port wraith build for use on Dreamliner, a map with a short air distance. I hope you aren't expecting me to recap Leta's use of wraiths in detail... you should really watch the VOD. Leta introduced a new style of 2 port wraith which I think works better than the established method of "harass at all costs." He only took opportunities when they were available. Additionally, Leta looked more on than I've seen him in months. During a big battle vs a Zerg army supported with a bunch of overlords, Leta realized that he wasn't going to be able to kill the overlords in time to make a difference in the fight. In a split second, he uncloaked his wraiths to save energy. It was so impressive to me mostly because the decision was made so quickly.

Leta dominated Kwanro with his wraiths. It wasn't even close and it was beautiful to watch. Go watch the VOD, seriously; I can't do the micro and decision-making justice with words.

After dominating Kwanro with wraiths, Leta switched to a bio army and dominated some more. Kwanro killed the first push, but only because Leta was killing all the drones on the map.

Leta just toyed with Kwanro for the rest of the game, keeping the supply difference at about double, slowly building up his mass of tanks and vessels. Eventually, Kwanro lost his hundredth drone as Terran forces attacked his fourth base and he GGed.


+ Show Spoiler [ Kwanro vs Leta - Game Three] +
by Motbob

After games one and two, it was clear that all Leta had to win the series to do was to get to late game and let his superior management win the day. That's what he tried to do -- he walled off his natural, build a crapload of turrets, and just built up his army. Kwanro went for a variant of the fake spire build, building both a spire and a hydra den (at what would normally be 3 hatch lurker timing) and then just building a bunch of mutas with a few hydras in the mix. Leta defended for a while, then pushed out with the perfect army composition: enough MnM and tanks to take care of the hydras, and enough goliaths and MnM to deal with the mutas. With perfect army control, Leta made his way across the map, destroying Kwanro's forces with ruthless efficiency. Again, it was fascinating to watch. Again, you should watch the VOD to get the whole picture here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuI-kV0CKGc#t=10m45s
watch the VOD from this point


Group F: (P)Bisu vs (Z)hyvaa

+ Show Spoiler [ Bisu vs Hyvaa - Game One] +
by Pangshai
Group F's Bisu vs Hyvaa was probably the most anticipated match of the night. With Bisu seeking to redeem himself after his recent string of losses in proleague that threatened to send fanboys packing, and Hyvaa trying to prove that his entry into the ro16 last OSL was no fluke, we were prepared for some good games.

Game 1 began with a standard FE vs overpool. Bisu's probe found Hyvaa right away in the top right position of Eye of the Storm, and it succeeded in being immensely annoying by blocking the nat hatch with a pylon. Other than that, early game shennanigans were kept to a minimum and both players were happy to macro up into the midgame, Hyvaa with 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra, and Bisu going for +1 corsairs and a couple of DTs, before taking his third base.

The pair tried unsuccessfully to poke at each other's defenses, Hyvaa with 3 lurkers at Bisu's third, and Bisu with a small zealot army at Hyvaa's well sim-citied and lurker defended bottom right. The first game-changing move came in the form of a storm drop. Two zealots were first landed in Hyvaa's main where they began wreaking havoc on the drones, forcing a maynard to the nat. There, Bisu sprung his trap, frying the majority of Hyvaa's drones with 2 storms.

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Hyvaa responded with drops of his own, simultaneously hitting all three of Bisu's bases, taking out his main nexus, and a good amount of probes. This minor victory, however, was unable to pull him back from the deficit he had suffered, and after Bisu cleared out the drop, it was just Protoss, Protoss, Protoss. Bisu's sizable army rolled over Hyvaa's smaller hydra lurk force despite some observer sniping by Hyvaa.

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Hyvaa tried his best to prolong the game by turtling with lurkers and taking out Bisu's obs, but a couple of minutes later, the game was over with the Protoss army rolling into a defenseless Zerg nat.


+ Show Spoiler [ Bisu vs Hyvaa - Game Two] +
by Pangshai
Game 1 had momentarily seemed pretty close with the back and forth drop antics, but game 2 was all Bisu. Hyvaa's overpool gas forced Bisu to cannon before nexus, but Bisu still managed plenty of scouting with his probe, as Hyvaa elected to not spend the gas on speed. Once again, nothing exceptional occurred into the midgame except for Hyvaa carelessly losing a couple of overlords to a goon.

Choosing this time to 2 stargate corsair, Bisu built up his corsair count quickly, and the overlord harass that commenced was brutal - there was probably a brief period of time when Hyvaa's supply came only from his hatcheries. Bisu followed this up with reavers, and with no overlords, Hyvaa was unable to produce the hydras he needed to defend the drop. Needless to say, the reaver left him hurting pretty badly.

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Bisu then went straight for the kill. A newly macroed army of zealots headed out for Hyvaa's nat, supported by 2 reavers. Really, the reavers were excessive, as the zealots would've done fine by themselves. Hyvaa tried some last-ditch mutas in desperation, but their numbers were too few to be effective.

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Having taken down Hyvaa's nat, Bisu split off a couple of his zealots to stop mining at the Zerg expoes while the main force made a beeline for Hyvaa's main. A shuttle full of DTs also arrived on the scene to add insult to injury, springboarding Bisu into the OSL's ro16.


+ Show Spoiler [ Bisu vs Hyvaa - Game Three] +
Bisu won 2-0.




What we learned: Pokedex Edition Part II

+ Show Spoiler [Disclaimer] +
Progamer pokedex is written with some knowledge of the competitive Pokemon scene, but not based solely upon it. There's too much insider meta-game knowledge to be explained. Instead, the combined portrayal of pokemon in various media are the basis for the analogies.


Group D: (T)Fantasy, (P)Brave, (T)Light.
This was a very enjoyable group to watch from a scouting perspective, because it gave you a very thorough look at a previous underexposed player. Brave had solid planning going into each game and made clear decisions. Not once did he go for the standard reactionary build of 2~3 base fast arbiters, instead trying for early game goon + shuttle breaks or fast carriers. Unfortunately, this was outweighed by his very shaky mechanics. Although Brave could execute well enough when he was allowed to focus his attention where he wanted to, he was poor in hectic situations. He ran into countless mines, and forgot to macro during battles.

Overall, it was a good debut for the eighteen year old. He was mentally focused compared to other rookies, and it was his hands that failed him rather than his head. Splitting games with Light and Fantasy is quite the achievement for your first OSL appearance, and I look forward to good things from Brave in the future.

As for Light, he’s back to his 2009 self. Great TvZ, so-so everything else. In fact, he admitted as much during the MSL group selection, saying he’s lost confidence in his matchups outside TvZ. The Winners League imbued a few players with some mysterious powers, and Light was one of them. Now it looks like things have finally returned to normal for him.

There’s not much to be said for the winner, Fantasy. We already knew he was the best vulture user in TvP, and this was a rather mundane demonstration. It was like one of those Jaedong games where he goes “Oh by the way, I can beat people with mutas only, if I feel like it.” So with nothing particularly new going on….

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Fantasy is GYARADOS! What a beast Gyarados is. He’s a goddamn flying water dragon! He shoots energy beams from his mouth, alters the weather to his liking, and can beat the crap out of you even without even having arms. Gyarados should be ridiculously overpowered, except for one thing: He’s deathly weak to electricity. Gyarados is no electric eel, so powerful electric Pokemon turn Gyarados into fish and chips. Heck, even Pikachu can give him trouble. (Note: After his loss to GoRush, Hiya has been indefinitely relegated to Magikarp status.)



Group E: (T)Leta, (Z)Kwanro, (P)Pusan
The most important to take away from this group is that Pusan found his heart again. Just a few months ago, Pusan was employed full-time to not give a s***, throwing games in the OSL vs Go.go by doing half-assed corsair+ dragoon builds. For a player who used to personify heart, I was ready to declare him effectively dead.

Versus Leta, Pusan was back to his reckless, swashbuckling self. There was a moment in the game where he wasted 30 supply of zealots against a huge vulture army for almost no gain, and I cheered anyway. In some ways, the spirit of Pusan isn’t even about winning or losing. There’s just something very righteous and just about smashing against Terran positions with relentless, poorly controlled waves of zealots and dragoons.

In another typical performance from Kwanro, he managed to play better off three bases and only lair units, compared to when he had 5 gases and hive. It’s hard to be disappointed in Kwanro when he always does what we expect him to: Win before hive or die.

Leta was suffering from some kind of intestinal inflammation for both of his series, so it’s possible that it affected his play. With Leta slightly slumping lately as well, it was hard to determine what exactly caused him to be sloppy at moments. I’m not worried about Leta quite yet though, as his games had the feel of a good player having a bad day, more than any real decline in skill.

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Leta is GENGAR! What could be more appropriate for the Starcraft’s prince of wraiths than Pokemon’s standout ghost? Gengar is a mischievous and elusive pokemon, only revealing himself to human eyes when he wants to give them a good scare. When he’s not literally slipping through the opponent’s fingers, Gengar has big bag of tricks he uses to vex his opponents, ranging from hypnosis, confuse rays, to shadow balls. There is a downside to all of Gengar’s high speed trickery though, and that is his terrible fragility. All it takes is one solid hit, and it's curtains for the grinning ghost. Luckily for Gengar, his versatility and trickery give him an edge versus all but the most prepared opponents.



Group F: (P)Bisu, (Z)hyvaa, (T)Mind
Who would have imagined it two years ago? Mind is now WeMade’s third best Terran, behind Baby and a resurrected Midas. And that’s not even a big knock against him, he’s still quite a decent player. Mind’s strength and weakness continues to be his incredibly boring and predictable play. Considering his good mechanics, Mind should be a better player than say, ForGG and Midas. However, the latter two are willing to do all sorts of all-ins, cheeses, and funky strategies to supplement their standard play. When you’re up against a superior opponent, you have to take risks to steal a win. By playing standard with Terran, Mind only guarantees himself a prolonged losing game when he comes up against better opposition.

Nothing new from Hyvaa this time around. We all know he’s a player who’s bad 60% of the time, average 30% of the time, and brilliant during that remaining 10%. We saw some of that ten percent versus Flash in the last OSL, but against Bisu, he was just mediocre enough to lose 2-0.

A lot of people want to jump on the Bisu’s back! bandwagon, and I will admit that it’s almost credible after a six or seven game winning streak. I’m getting tired of the Bisu cycle of win one game “He’s awesome and is gonna win the next OSL,” lose one game “He’s finished, take him behind the barn and put him down,” so I enjoyed seeing him string together some good performances. It's too bad that all four games OSL were of the type that should be the easiest to win: versus an inferior opponent who plays very standard. Sure, Bisu won pretty convincingly and even got fancy in the process, but for him to be officially ‘back,’ I want to see him do it against top players. 'Back' for Bisu doesn't mean topping 50% win ratio, it means making people have stupid Bonjwa arguments.

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Bisu is DEOXYS – speed form! (Yes, S-class progamers get legendaries) In Pokemon lore, Deoxys is a sentient, mutant, alien virus with super powers that has taken physical form as a Pokemon for some silly reason. Similarly, Bisu is a mutant alien virus with super powers that took form as a progamer because it was f***ing tired of seeing people play PvZ incorrectly for nine years.

Deoxys can take many forms to suit the environment, one of which is the absurdly fast speed form. In speed form, Deoxys is by FAR the fastest Pokemon in the game. His speed stat can reach a maximum of over 500, which incidentally, is still lower than Bisu’s peak APM.


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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
June 30 2010 06:34 GMT
#2
wats a deoxys
flamewheel
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 30 2010 06:37 GMT
#3
Ew Deoxys T____T
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United States10328 Posts
June 30 2010 06:41 GMT
#4
rofl deoxys for bisu? s-class? huh?

also what a time to publish this... though I suppose you're not on the east coast
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 30 2010 06:42 GMT
#5
On June 30 2010 15:41 ]343[ wrote:
rofl deoxys for bisu? s-class? huh?

also what a time to publish this... though I suppose you're not on the east coast

Uh it's Snorlax.
He wakes up at weird times.

Prelims recap was posted even later than this.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
June 30 2010 06:43 GMT
#6
Motbob, Pangshai, WaxAngel- I love you.
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
June 30 2010 07:08 GMT
#7
yeaH! the pokemon part is awesome))) to be continued... big thanks for your work!
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
June 30 2010 07:17 GMT
#8
Bisu <3
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
June 30 2010 07:19 GMT
#9
way to pick gengar for leta; a baller pokemon for a baller progamer
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frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
June 30 2010 07:19 GMT
#10
Deoxys? Original 151, imo.

Anyway, gogo Bisu :D
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Finland3295 Posts
June 30 2010 07:52 GMT
#11
pokemon =b
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Excalibur
Profile Joined September 2009
United States58 Posts
June 30 2010 07:54 GMT
#12
Bisu winning? And not just winning, going 2-0 twice?

Gentlemen, the fanboys are going to return. And this time it is going to be far, far worse.
Whats a 4pool?
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 30 2010 07:54 GMT
#13
On June 30 2010 15:37 flamewheel wrote:
Ew Deoxys T____T
EffOrt is the real Alien!


Effort is mew 2 a clone from the original mew ( Jaedong ) .
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
June 30 2010 08:04 GMT
#14
Bisu S class. I laffed n___n
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
June 30 2010 08:07 GMT
#15
I await Jaedong = Scizor for being totally imbalanced! Also, it's kind of like a Mutalisk. Or an SC2 Zergling.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
June 30 2010 08:10 GMT
#16
...Deoxys?
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FuRong
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New Zealand3089 Posts
June 30 2010 08:37 GMT
#17
Bisu is Alakazam - he used to be the master of outthinking opponents, and was a staple in everyone's team. But since lots of new pokemon were released Alakazam can't compete with the ridiculous stats of better psychic types, and no longer sees much play on the same level as before =/
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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
June 30 2010 08:41 GMT
#18
On June 30 2010 17:07 Kyuukyuu wrote:
I await Jaedong = Scizor for being totally imbalanced! Also, it's kind of like a Mutalisk. Or an SC2 Zergling.


Do you mean scyther?

Anyway ill have to lookup Bisu's pokemon. Nvr heard of that one haha. Sounds appropriate though.
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KimchiFriedRice
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada237 Posts
June 30 2010 08:43 GMT
#19
Nice write up.
Loving the pokemons as usual
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-30 08:47:25
June 30 2010 08:45 GMT
#20
Awww I was hoping for Gyrados to be reserved for the day that HiyA starts destroying everyone.

+ Show Spoiler +
Hopefully that day never comes though

edit: wtf is Deoxys? Pokemon past Gold/Silver goes so far over my head ...
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Bisu-Fan
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
June 30 2010 11:22 GMT
#21
On June 30 2010 16:54 Excalibur wrote:
Bisu winning? And not just winning, going 2-0 twice?

Gentlemen, the fanboys are going to return. And this time it is going to be far, far worse.


YEAH!!!! BISU!!!!!! KIM TAEK YONG BONJWA!!!!

Also I love how everyone here stopped after Gold/Silver :D :D
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
June 30 2010 11:23 GMT
#22
On June 30 2010 16:54 raga4ka wrote:
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On June 30 2010 15:37 flamewheel wrote:
Ew Deoxys T____T
EffOrt is the real Alien!


Effort is mew 2 a clone from the original mew ( Jaedong ) .


This is an AWESOME comparison... Especially since Mew is the smarter!!!
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johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
June 30 2010 12:05 GMT
#23
two thumbs down on the deoxys comparison. i think its best to stay inside the original 150 occasionally the 250 if you must. theres plenty of legendaries to choose from.

Aside from that the pokedex section is awesome and i get a good laugh whenever i read it
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Singapore6164 Posts
June 30 2010 12:06 GMT
#24
Shouldn't the original Mew be Savior..

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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 30 2010 12:14 GMT
#25
On June 30 2010 17:45 p4NDemik wrote:
Awww I was hoping for Gyrados to be reserved for the day that HiyA starts destroying everyone.

+ Show Spoiler +
Hopefully that day never comes though

edit: wtf is Deoxys? Pokemon past Gold/Silver goes so far over my head ...


He's the Mewtwo of the generation after gold/silver. Retardedly powerful and versatile psychic.
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XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-30 16:24:29
June 30 2010 12:18 GMT
#26
On June 30 2010 20:22 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Also I love how everyone here stopped after Gold/Silver :D :D


Everyone but me, who's been playing Pokemon competitively for four years.

To all those asking, Deoxys is a Legendary Pokemon introduced during the 3rd generation. Legendary Pokemon FROM SPACE. It has 4 different forms:

Normal
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Attack
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Defense
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Speed
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Each with different Stat spreads, focusing on a different aspect, even though the Base Stats all add up to 600.

Despite a lot of 600 BST Pokemon being Standard and being of the lackluster Psychic type (yes, Psychics are now considered to be lackluster), all forms of Deoxys have been relegated to the Uber tier, and thus, banned from Standard play due to being considered overpowered. This is mainly due to the fact that while its total stats don't match up to guys like Mewtwo and Lugia, the stats of their different forms are at the extreme ends of their respective spectrums.

Because of this, I agree with categorizing Bisu and the other "greats" as one of the Uber Pokemon. He's clearly too powerful for Standard play.

If we were to continue with the Pokemon comparisons, I'd probably categorize Boxer as Mewtwo.
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The most powerful Player in his day, and while he's not the greatest anymore, he can still hold up against the best of the best.

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I'd probably consider Flash to be Kyogre, the Pokemon that's used the most in Uber play (all Pokemon except Arceus allowed), and considered to be the best Pokemon in the game at the moment, drowning all in his path with a flood of water.

I don't know enough about a lot of other ProGamers to make comparisons.

Whoever has the best Defensive Game will probably be comparable to Blissey or Lugia.
nbtnbt5
Profile Joined March 2009
232 Posts
June 30 2010 13:02 GMT
#27
On June 30 2010 15:30 Waxangel wrote:
Versus Leta, Pusan was back to his reckless, swashbuckling self. There was a moment in the game where he wasted 30 supply of zealots against a huge vulture army for almost no gain, and I cheered anyway. In some ways, the spirit of Pusan isn’t even about winning or losing. There’s just something very righteous and just about smashing against Terran positions with relentless, poorly controlled waves of zealots and dragoons.

In another typical performance from Kwanro, he managed to play better off three bases and only lair units, compared to when he had 5 gases and hive. It’s hard to be disappointed in Kwanro when he always does what we expect him to: Win before hive or die.


I laughed IRL at this.
The pokemon comparisons were cool hehe, nice writeup!
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
June 30 2010 13:35 GMT
#28
Every comment is about Pokemon O_O
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 30 2010 14:00 GMT
#29
love this pokedex thing.
but who the hell is deoxys....
can keep it to the first 151? or 251?
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands438 Posts
June 30 2010 14:02 GMT
#30
On June 30 2010 22:35 motbob wrote:
Every comment is about Pokemon O_O


yea what is this, isn't this a starcraft site?

I played pokemon like 10 years ago and havent looked at it since

On-topic, sexy time for bisu fanboys!
Derp Derp Derp
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
June 30 2010 14:35 GMT
#31
Magikarp for Hiya... or Raticate...
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
June 30 2010 14:44 GMT
#32
I'm so happy for Bisu T.T

And once again, the pokemon write-up is amazing. LOL at Leta being a gengar xD
:)
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
June 30 2010 17:07 GMT
#33
lol love the Pokemon, but I think Fantasy should be Articuno!
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
June 30 2010 17:17 GMT
#34
woot deoxys!

the alakazam thing works too, since his base speed is ridiculously high. i used to use a timid back in gen3
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
June 30 2010 17:37 GMT
#35
On June 30 2010 23:00 Mykill wrote:
love this pokedex thing.
but who the hell is deoxys....
can keep it to the first 151? or 251?

i doubt it.
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XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
June 30 2010 17:50 GMT
#36
On June 30 2010 23:00 Mykill wrote:
love this pokedex thing.
but who the hell is deoxys....
can keep it to the first 151? or 251?


Don't exactly see why he should have to constrain himself. He should just match up the players with whatever Pokemon fits best regardless of when they were created.
siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
June 30 2010 17:54 GMT
#37
On July 01 2010 02:50 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2010 23:00 Mykill wrote:
love this pokedex thing.
but who the hell is deoxys....
can keep it to the first 151? or 251?


Don't exactly see why he should have to constrain himself. He should just match up the players with whatever Pokemon fits best regardless of when they were created.

I think it'd be better if he did.
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
June 30 2010 17:58 GMT
#38
I loled at the comment about Bisu's apm lol
tru_power22
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada385 Posts
June 30 2010 20:46 GMT
#39
I really hope Bisu is back! Favourite progamer.
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cemlions
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada43 Posts
June 30 2010 21:09 GMT
#40
"as it gives us the ounce of credibility we need to viciously disparage the play of professionals who are much better than us."
lol.
Go Bisu.
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
June 30 2010 21:50 GMT
#41
If I havent already I'd like to say thanks for this article, it gave me an amazing stroke of inspiration. See sig for details :D
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Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 30 2010 22:12 GMT
#42
Bisu comeback
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 01 2010 00:46 GMT
#43
Moar pokemans! What is a Deoxys.

/puts on crotchety old man voice

Back in my day, there were 150, and even the extra one was a lie.
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vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
July 01 2010 03:08 GMT
#44
This article feels like it was written 2-3 yrs ago. Bisu S-class?
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TwoPac
Profile Joined October 2009
United States163 Posts
July 01 2010 04:07 GMT
#45
HES BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
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0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
July 01 2010 04:08 GMT
#46
Bisu will always be S-class
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 01 2010 04:21 GMT
#47
Although, speed form deoxys is probably the worst form of deoxys. So that puts Bisu ... bottom of S-class?
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
July 01 2010 04:29 GMT
#48
Really great read.

Please just the original 151 , most of us are too old for the lame ones : (
Each day gets better : )
XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-01 05:20:37
July 01 2010 05:05 GMT
#49
I wonder which progamer would be awesome enough to be Garchomp:
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Everyone's favorite Land Shark Dragon.

On July 01 2010 13:29 ella_guru wrote:
Really great read.

Please just the original 151 , most of us are too old for the lame ones : (


But they're not lame, they're awesome.

On July 01 2010 13:21 thenexusp wrote:
Although, speed form deoxys is probably the worst form of deoxys. So that puts Bisu ... bottom of S-class?


Speed Form Deoxys and Attack Deoxys are actually considered to be the best forms now, with Attack Deoxys being the best overall. Namely because they do their specific roles well and don't really overlap with anyone that does it better. With Defense Deoxys, Giratina, Lugia, and Blissey does its job better. Its 50 base HP really hurts this form, not to mention having a pretty wasted base 90 Speed stat. With Normal Deoxys, Deoxys-A does it better since Normal Deoxy's stat distribution was clearly designed to be a high attack/low defense Pokemon anyway. Mewtwo is considered to be better as well, since Mewtwo's defenses aren't nearly as fragile, and a result, isn't owned as hard by Priority moves.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
July 01 2010 14:21 GMT
#50
Legendaries are not cool! Boo! =(
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66159 Posts
July 01 2010 14:44 GMT
#51
lol so cute hahaha
POGGERS
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 01 2010 15:15 GMT
#52
On July 01 2010 12:08 vnlegend wrote:
This article feels like it was written 2-3 yrs ago. Bisu S-class?
[image loading]


Bisu was S-Class as recently as early 2009.
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hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
July 01 2010 18:17 GMT
#53
As long as fanboys aren't talking trash because their player is better than another player, I think it's great. Glad to see Bisu is back!
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
July 01 2010 19:42 GMT
#54
I guess the super-pokémon Mewtwo is Flash. He's got the psychic vision, and the robotic perfection. And Effort is Umbreon (compare their eyes), the dark evolution of Eevee, who is strong against psychic Pokémon like Mewtwo.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
July 01 2010 20:07 GMT
#55
On July 02 2010 04:42 ninini wrote:
I guess the super-pokémon Mewtwo is Flash. He's got the psychic vision, and the robotic perfection. And Effort is Umbreon (compare their eyes), the dark evolution of Eevee, who is strong against psychic Pokémon like Mewtwo.


Umbreon still loses to Mewtwo though.
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hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
July 01 2010 22:56 GMT
#56
Is the average starcraft player really around the average pokemon player age? At 23, I've never felt so old as I do right now
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
July 02 2010 00:03 GMT
#57
Are land sharks even real? I'm just wondering...

I think we can all say that Reach is Gallade...
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 02 2010 03:02 GMT
#58
On July 02 2010 05:07 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2010 04:42 ninini wrote:
I guess the super-pokémon Mewtwo is Flash. He's got the psychic vision, and the robotic perfection. And Effort is Umbreon (compare their eyes), the dark evolution of Eevee, who is strong against psychic Pokémon like Mewtwo.


Umbreon still loses to Mewtwo though.

Not last night!
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
July 02 2010 06:16 GMT
#59
On July 01 2010 14:05 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
I wonder which progamer would be awesome enough to be Garchomp:
[image loading]


Everyone's favorite Land Shark Dragon.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 13:29 ella_guru wrote:
Really great read.

Please just the original 151 , most of us are too old for the lame ones : (


But they're not lame, they're awesome.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 13:21 thenexusp wrote:
Although, speed form deoxys is probably the worst form of deoxys. So that puts Bisu ... bottom of S-class?


Speed Form Deoxys and Attack Deoxys are actually considered to be the best forms now, with Attack Deoxys being the best overall. Namely because they do their specific roles well and don't really overlap with anyone that does it better. With Defense Deoxys, Giratina, Lugia, and Blissey does its job better. Its 50 base HP really hurts this form, not to mention having a pretty wasted base 90 Speed stat. With Normal Deoxys, Deoxys-A does it better since Normal Deoxy's stat distribution was clearly designed to be a high attack/low defense Pokemon anyway. Mewtwo is considered to be better as well, since Mewtwo's defenses aren't nearly as fragile, and a result, isn't owned as hard by Priority moves.


no... speed deoxys is so fragile and its base attack isnt that high at all, its unlikely to kill any good pokemon in 1 turn, and in return get ko'd the next round or get ko'd by some first turn moves like extreme speed. blissey isnt that good anymore due to its weak defense.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 16:36:55
July 02 2010 15:52 GMT
#60
On July 02 2010 15:16 saltywet wrote:

no... speed deoxys is so fragile and its base attack isnt that high at all, its unlikely to kill any good pokemon in 1 turn, and in return get ko'd the next round or get ko'd by some first turn moves like extreme speed. blissey isnt that good anymore due to its weak defense.


You obviously don't know how to use Speed Deoxys, or much about Uber battling in general. The point of Speed Deoxys isn't its attack, but its high speed, and actually pretty average defense. It's mainly used as an excellent Support Pokemon/Lead. As a Lead, it can easily get Stealth Rock and Spikes down with a Focus Sash, or 2 layers of Spikes in support of a later Stealth Rock user. It can also be used as a fairly effective Double-Screener, and has the fastest Taunt in the game. These characteristics have earned it spot of #11 of currently used Ubers, while Deoxys-A is at #20, though I consider the threat of A to be a big bigger.

Blissey is still a defensive force that should be reckoned with. Being able to tank hits, spread status, Wish support, and Status Healing support should never be underestimated. It can tank even Choice Spec'd attacks, forcing switches. It stops non-Calm Mind Latios and Latias cold in their tracks. It stops Special Palkia and Dialga cold, or at least can make them use up a Draco Meteor. It's powerful Special Defenses have earned the spot of #19 most used Pokemon in Ubers, beating out Deoxys-A, Ho-oh, Mew, Tyranitar, Giratina, Metagross, and Manaphy.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
July 03 2010 02:52 GMT
#61
Oh god.. not the bisu fans again
RanDoMSCPlaya
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States14 Posts
July 03 2010 13:10 GMT
#62
No offense..i love bisu..but deoxys look like regular squishable bugs O_O
"To attack or not to attack, thats the REAL question"
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
July 03 2010 15:54 GMT
#63
On July 03 2010 00:52 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2010 15:16 saltywet wrote:

no... speed deoxys is so fragile and its base attack isnt that high at all, its unlikely to kill any good pokemon in 1 turn, and in return get ko'd the next round or get ko'd by some first turn moves like extreme speed. blissey isnt that good anymore due to its weak defense.


You obviously don't know how to use Speed Deoxys, or much about Uber battling in general. The point of Speed Deoxys isn't its attack, but its high speed, and actually pretty average defense. It's mainly used as an excellent Support Pokemon/Lead. As a Lead, it can easily get Stealth Rock and Spikes down with a Focus Sash, or 2 layers of Spikes in support of a later Stealth Rock user. It can also be used as a fairly effective Double-Screener, and has the fastest Taunt in the game. These characteristics have earned it spot of #11 of currently used Ubers, while Deoxys-A is at #20, though I consider the threat of A to be a big bigger.

Blissey is still a defensive force that should be reckoned with. Being able to tank hits, spread status, Wish support, and Status Healing support should never be underestimated. It can tank even Choice Spec'd attacks, forcing switches. It stops non-Calm Mind Latios and Latias cold in their tracks. It stops Special Palkia and Dialga cold, or at least can make them use up a Draco Meteor. It's powerful Special Defenses have earned the spot of #19 most used Pokemon in Ubers, beating out Deoxys-A, Ho-oh, Mew, Tyranitar, Giratina, Metagross, and Manaphy.


i haven't been up to date with pokemon. but during my time, groudon, lugia, mewtwo, mew, wobuffet, latios were the most imba ubers. #11 is actually a really crappy rank. protect ninjask will outspeed DeoxysS 1 round later, so what is your point. tyranitar will ruin it with focus sash.

Blissey has really powerful special defenses; before I played R/S Skarm/Bliss was a really strong combo, but now all types can be physical, and blissey can easily get KO'd in 1-2 hits by a strong sweeper. everyone knows that it has really good special defense, no one will use special attacks against it unless they CM'd.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-03 22:44:46
July 03 2010 19:29 GMT
#64
On July 04 2010 00:54 saltywet wrote:
i haven't been up to date with pokemon. but during my time, groudon, lugia, mewtwo, mew, wobuffet, latios were the most imba ubers. #11 is actually a really crappy rank. protect ninjask will outspeed DeoxysS 1 round later, so what is your point. tyranitar will ruin it with focus sash.

Blissey has really powerful special defenses; before I played R/S Skarm/Bliss was a really strong combo, but now all types can be physical, and blissey can easily get KO'd in 1-2 hits by a strong sweeper. everyone knows that it has really good special defense, no one will use special attacks against it unless they CM'd.


If you haven't been keeping up to date, what makes you think you can accurately judge who the best Pokemon are today? All of those Pokemon you mentioned are Pokemon that were strong/"imba" in the RSE generation, meaning you're probably a full generation behind. #11 most-used is a pretty crappy rank? #11 is really good in a metagame where literally any Pokemon is allowed, and especially beating out guys like Jirachi, Garchomp, Latios, Lugia, Shaymin, Latias, all the other Deoxys forms, Ho-oh, Mew, Tyranitar, Giratina, Metagross, and Manaphy, several of which you claimed were "imba" in your day.

Well, if you see a Ninjask lead, switch to a PHazer like Lugia or Groudon. They shouldn't take much damage at all from Ninjask.

Tyranitar is an anti-Deoxys lead, but again, it's a bit of a gamble to use. It loses to a lot of other standard leads, and even then, Deoxys can just switch into a Pokemon like Groudon and set up the spikes later.

Not every Pokemon is capable of carrying a Physical attack that can break Blissey, especially in Ubers where most Pokemon have their Special Attack as their highest stat. Not to mention that Physical attack can prove to be useless in most other situations. If Blissey forces a switch in Ubers, it's done it's job, and if you take out every Pokemon that isn't capable of breaking Blissey, you've pretty much won. It's able to give so many Pokemon in Ubers problems, so there's a really good reason it's still widely used in Ubers. Of course it's not as good as it was in previous generations, both in Ubers and Standards, but 255 Base HP is not something that should ever be underestimated.
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
July 04 2010 01:11 GMT
#65
On July 04 2010 04:29 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2010 00:54 saltywet wrote:
i haven't been up to date with pokemon. but during my time, groudon, lugia, mewtwo, mew, wobuffet, latios were the most imba ubers. #11 is actually a really crappy rank. protect ninjask will outspeed DeoxysS 1 round later, so what is your point. tyranitar will ruin it with focus sash.

Blissey has really powerful special defenses; before I played R/S Skarm/Bliss was a really strong combo, but now all types can be physical, and blissey can easily get KO'd in 1-2 hits by a strong sweeper. everyone knows that it has really good special defense, no one will use special attacks against it unless they CM'd.


If you haven't been keeping up to date, what makes you think you can accurately judge who the best Pokemon are today? All of those Pokemon you mentioned are Pokemon that were strong/"imba" in the RSE generation, meaning you're probably a full generation behind. #11 most-used is a pretty crappy rank? #11 is really good in a metagame where literally any Pokemon is allowed, and especially beating out guys like Jirachi, Garchomp, Latios, Lugia, Shaymin, Latias, all the other Deoxys forms, Ho-oh, Mew, Tyranitar, Giratina, Metagross, and Manaphy, several of which you claimed were "imba" in your day.

Well, if you see a Ninjask lead, switch to a PHazer like Lugia or Groudon. They shouldn't take much damage at all from Ninjask.

Tyranitar is an anti-Deoxys lead, but again, it's a bit of a gamble to use. It loses to a lot of other standard leads, and even then, Deoxys can just switch into a Pokemon like Groudon and set up the spikes later.

Not every Pokemon is capable of carrying a Physical attack that can break Blissey, especially in Ubers where most Pokemon have their Special Attack as their highest stat. Not to mention that Physical attack can prove to be useless in most other situations. If Blissey forces a switch in Ubers, it's done it's job, and if you take out every Pokemon that isn't capable of breaking Blissey, you've pretty much won. It's able to give so many Pokemon in Ubers problems, so there's a really good reason it's still widely used in Ubers. Of course it's not as good as it was in previous generations, both in Ubers and Standards, but 255 Base HP is not something that should ever be underestimated.


I guess I just never liked using them in RSE because most of the time my OU/UU team can easily counter them. and lol, if you switch out deoxysS against a ninjask, you just gave me 2 free speed boosts and a free swords dance to baton pass
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 02:13:51
July 04 2010 02:10 GMT
#66
On July 04 2010 10:11 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2010 04:29 dabom88 wrote:
On July 04 2010 00:54 saltywet wrote:
i haven't been up to date with pokemon. but during my time, groudon, lugia, mewtwo, mew, wobuffet, latios were the most imba ubers. #11 is actually a really crappy rank. protect ninjask will outspeed DeoxysS 1 round later, so what is your point. tyranitar will ruin it with focus sash.

Blissey has really powerful special defenses; before I played R/S Skarm/Bliss was a really strong combo, but now all types can be physical, and blissey can easily get KO'd in 1-2 hits by a strong sweeper. everyone knows that it has really good special defense, no one will use special attacks against it unless they CM'd.


If you haven't been keeping up to date, what makes you think you can accurately judge who the best Pokemon are today? All of those Pokemon you mentioned are Pokemon that were strong/"imba" in the RSE generation, meaning you're probably a full generation behind. #11 most-used is a pretty crappy rank? #11 is really good in a metagame where literally any Pokemon is allowed, and especially beating out guys like Jirachi, Garchomp, Latios, Lugia, Shaymin, Latias, all the other Deoxys forms, Ho-oh, Mew, Tyranitar, Giratina, Metagross, and Manaphy, several of which you claimed were "imba" in your day.

Well, if you see a Ninjask lead, switch to a PHazer like Lugia or Groudon. They shouldn't take much damage at all from Ninjask.

Tyranitar is an anti-Deoxys lead, but again, it's a bit of a gamble to use. It loses to a lot of other standard leads, and even then, Deoxys can just switch into a Pokemon like Groudon and set up the spikes later.

Not every Pokemon is capable of carrying a Physical attack that can break Blissey, especially in Ubers where most Pokemon have their Special Attack as their highest stat. Not to mention that Physical attack can prove to be useless in most other situations. If Blissey forces a switch in Ubers, it's done it's job, and if you take out every Pokemon that isn't capable of breaking Blissey, you've pretty much won. It's able to give so many Pokemon in Ubers problems, so there's a really good reason it's still widely used in Ubers. Of course it's not as good as it was in previous generations, both in Ubers and Standards, but 255 Base HP is not something that should ever be underestimated.


I guess I just never liked using them in RSE because most of the time my OU/UU team can easily counter them. and lol, if you switch out deoxysS against a ninjask, you just gave me 2 free speed boosts and a free swords dance to baton pass


On July 04 2010 04:29 dabom88 wrote:
Well, if you see a Ninjask lead, switch to a PHazer like Lugia or Groudon. They shouldn't take much damage at all from Ninjask.


And who exactly are "them"? And once again, I repeat, if you haven't played competitively since RSE, then you probably going to be able to make the most accurate judgments on the metagame today. So I don't see how your claims about how Deoxys-E is the worst Deoxys form and how Blissey isn't good in Ubers holds any water.
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kmdarkmaster
Profile Joined January 2010
France188 Posts
July 04 2010 11:59 GMT
#67
Gimme a break people, I also play pokemon but I enter gameshack codes and get a bunch of rare candies and other items and own every single thing the computer can throw at me. I never realize that there is a "metagame" in pokemon lol. It's just a cheesy game for kids don't be too serious it is better to speak about the metagame of Starcraft lol
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
July 05 2010 14:17 GMT
#68
Well played by Fantasy, talk about being a terrorist with the vultures.
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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
July 07 2010 23:13 GMT
#69
I guess Jaedong would be Salamence. Has the ability to intimidate his opponents, and when he's angry, his outrage will destroy your army.
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