EPTSecond, why is partnering with GomTV not the single most brilliant thing and something that KeSPA should be happy for? GomTV has the internet market and international casters (tasteless), KeSPA has the television market and the players. With both of these things combined they can create an international market and make even more money. There is big money in streaming over the internet now.
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
Second, why is partnering with GomTV not the single most brilliant thing and something that KeSPA should be happy for? GomTV has the internet market and international casters (tasteless), KeSPA has the television market and the players. With both of these things combined they can create an international market and make even more money. There is big money in streaming over the internet now. | ||
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ymirheim
Sweden300 Posts
I really wish that the two of you get a job in the game industry, you clearly deserve it. | ||
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Ideas
United States8180 Posts
On June 01 2010 01:14 Ahzz wrote: 1. Kespa does it in benefit of the fans? Come on. Boycotting GOM's tournament was TOTALLY in favor of the fans, especially foreign fans right? Telling teams to stop playing in it etc was totally promoting e-sports and making it bigger, destroying the tournament with biggest prize pools and most relaxed schedules etc 2. 'Blizzard just suddenly came out of nowhere demanding our respect for their IP'. ... What are they talking about? The whole IP thing started when they started SELLING BROADCASTING RIGHTS for starcraft. 3. They're just dodging the questions where they're 'accused' of not respecting IP. Both are greedy, thats certain, but in no sense is kespa better than blizzard. honestly gom kinda sucked pretty bad (especially in 3rd season) and progamers were definitely getting overworked with a 3rd individual league (see JD/flash/stork/jangbi etc around last summer) so yea lol IMO sorta made pro SC better even if it was a dick move. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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StarStruck
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On June 01 2010 01:48 Bill307 wrote: Then, recently, GOM came along and introduced its own league. They even got Tasteless to provide english commentary, which is something UNHEARD OF from the ranks of OGN and MBCGame. How did KeSPA respond? Did they try to make e-sports bigger? Did they embrace GOM and help them to become big like OGN and MBCGame? Nope. KeSPA kicked e-sports in the nuts by forbidding progamers to play in GOM, effectively shutting GOM down. Why shouldn't they? It's funny how people are constantly bashing KeSPA while feeling entitled to its players. They're sponsors. If they don't think they're getting good value for their money by having their players in some internet-only tournament (hell, the sole initial purpose of GOMTV was to promote the GOM player), then they pull out. Also, you can't at the same time express concern about the welfare of progamers and support the existence of a third league that increases their already heavy workload. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On June 01 2010 01:21 LosingID8 wrote: i would highly disagree the statement that esports was "already successful" before kespa managed stuff. i mean sure, if you think having a bunch of teenagers stuck in a 1 room apartment living off of 1 bowl of ramen a day, only able to feed themselves off of tourney winnings rather than a salary/sponsorship by large corporations is a successful esports scene then i guess you have a point. So they're better-off now, but they're still slaves. (I actually don't remember conditions being as bad as you say they were, but whatever.) I wonder if their living conditions would've improved anyway as e-sports grew from its own momentum? I have yet to see anyone make a convincing argument that the people who run KeSPA now were crucial to the growth of StarCraft as an e-sport. People seem to assume e-sports would've just stagnated if it wasn't for KeSPA. And the guys who run KeSPA now are not necessarily the ones who ran it in the past, either. They may be working under the same name, but that doesn't mean those people actually did anything useful themselves. Today, I see KeSPA as nothing more than a selfish money-making entity that supports e-sports only so far as it earns KeSPA more money. The thing is, anyone can do that. If Blizzard ends up doing the same selfish thing, then maybe they'll be as bad as KeSPA, but they won't be worse. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:07 StarStruck wrote: Yeah, they were getting over worked. OSL, MSL and PL is more than enough to keep the top players occupied. I can see why many teams wanted to opt out. 80000 dollars. . . | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:10 Bill307 wrote: Today, I see KeSPA as nothing more than a selfish money-making entity that supports e-sports only so far as it earns KeSPA more money (see what they did to GOM as an example of money > e-sports). The thing is, anyone can do that. If Blizzard ends up doing the same selfish thing, then maybe they'll be as bad as KeSPA, but they won't be worse. How is KeSPA making all this money? They're sponsors. They don't charge entry fees, they don't sell merchandise. The broadcasting rights they sold were a one-time affair, and I doubt they even cover all the costs. | ||
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cognizantfire
Hong Kong77 Posts
Come on, Blizzard. Just go back making games and not try to dominate the whole eSports scene. We don't need you in that. And we don't need your evil ploy in destroying the BW scene to make way for the SC2 scene. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:08 snowdrift86 wrote: Also, you can't at the same time express concern about the welfare of progamers and support the existence of a third league that increases their already heavy workload. edit: I totally fucked up what I was saying, haven't slept. Let me start over. The bottom line is GOM had the biggest prize pool in BW history. It should be a team's responsibility to give their players ANY chance at making money. The pro-league schedule was out of control then. It is slightly better now and there could be plenty of room for another star league. | ||
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sunsun126
China7 Posts
于是....... 我大胆猜想：其实星际也是韩国人的，暴雪公司也是属于韩国人的 | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:13 snowdrift86 wrote: How is KeSPA making all this money? They're sponsors. They don't charge entry fees, they don't sell merchandise. The broadcasting rights they sold were a one-time affair, and I doubt they even cover all the costs. They must pay their staff in love. | ||
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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iounas
409 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:10 Bill307 wrote: I wonder if their living conditions would've improved anyway as e-sports grew from its own momentum? You mean improved by getting sponsors who pay everything or magically improved by will power.. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:08 snowdrift86 wrote: Also, you can't at the same time express concern about the welfare of progamers and support the existence of a third league that increases their already heavy workload. I'm pretty sure the progamers are going to be playing their 11-13 hours a day with or without a 3rd league. And I don't see why they can't choose to focus on only one or two of the leagues, unless they have no choice in the matter, but that'd be the fault of the teams and sponsors, not GOM's existence. On June 01 2010 02:08 snowdrift86 wrote: Why shouldn't they? It's funny how people are constantly bashing KeSPA while feeling entitled to its players. They're sponsors. If they don't think they're getting good value for their money by having their players in some internet-only tournament (hell, the sole initial purpose of GOMTV was to promote the GOM player), then they pull out. Honestly, is it REALLY going to affect OGN and MBCGame THAT MUCH if some of the players are playing in GOM as well? Like, is there going to be a measurable decrease in player skill that will result in a measurable number of fans leaving? Are the OSL, MSL, and Proleague noticeably better now that GOM isn't around? KeSPA doesn't care about e-sports. They care about money. | ||
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hejakev
Sweden518 Posts
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NonY
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:23 andeh wrote: its pretty funny that they refer to CGS as a failure league ROFL http://www.sk-gaming.com/blog/TheSlaSH/19934-The_CGS_and_how_marketing_works__sometimes | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:24 iounas wrote: You mean improved by getting sponsors who pay everything or magically improved by will power.. How do you think OnGameNet got sponsors for its Starleagues before KeSPA? | ||
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