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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 04:54:15
May 21 2010 04:53 GMT
#81
On May 21 2010 12:47 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 10:05 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 21 2010 01:21 Waxangel wrote:
On May 21 2010 01:10 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 20 2010 15:55 Waxangel wrote:This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average.

Honestly, this kind of negativity has been going on for several weeks now, isn't it time to give these players their due? I mean, why is it even necessary to mention this, let alone the fact that there's really no basis for this assertion anyway?

This is going to be a good final, and we can all hope for a great final, can't we?


I hope for a great final, doesn't mean it's not a sub-par card.

I'm not concerned with hype for hype's sake.

What I meant is that I'm not even convinced it's a sub-par finals. It's certainly a better match (on paper) than the last two OSL finals.

I just don't think you can make that kind of an assertion so casually beforehand.


Just to make sure, I just looked through all thirty OSL finals. Yeah, it's pretty much below average in terms of matchup parity, and somewhat below in terms of combined name value.


I checked them too, and I'll give you that.

But Flash is playing better terran than anyone else has... ever. While EffOrt might only be the second best zerg around currently, that doesn't tell you that much if the best zerg is the greatest of that race of all time. EffOrt's multi-task might be the best in the game, his mechanics are almost unparalleled.

Now obviously we both know this, but I'd suggest that the combined starcraft skill of these two players is beyond anything we've ever seen before. And then there's the possible golden mouse, and the CJ/sAviOr storyline. I feel like you're underselling this, and I'm not sure why.

Hype for hype's sake? I know TL's not strictly selling anything, but I feel like part of the job of the newsposts and TL's coverage should hype up events like a starleague finals. Why not? If more people are excited about these events, and more people watch the streams, and talk, and discuss and rage about it, then that builds this community.

I'm not trying to in anyway put the weight of the community on your shoulders, and please understand, I've loved your season of coverage, I think TL's coverage keeps improving every year, but something about the tone of this and the last few articles have just seemed dismissive, and I can't see the reason for it. There's plenty to be excited about, plenty of storylines to follow, and some excellent games ahead.

If each game is as interesting, exciting and crazy as the two Flash v. Z's that you've linked to, then we're going to be in for the best starleague in recent memory. And if every game sucks, well then, that would be disappointing. But I'd bet on an entertaining starleague final.
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19138 Posts
May 21 2010 08:10 GMT
#82
Effort 3-1 go!
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
AncienTs
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan227 Posts
May 21 2010 08:36 GMT
#83
3-1 flash ?
Starcraft Disclaimer Language: There is no imbalance, nothing is OP.
freezer222
Profile Joined August 2008
5 Posts
May 21 2010 08:43 GMT
#84
Flash 3-2 Effort OSL Finals
Jaedong 3-2 Flash MSL Finals
gg
I'm here in the shadows *Stalker Voice*
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
May 21 2010 12:20 GMT
#85
Screw effort, go flash.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
May 21 2010 13:03 GMT
#86
Effort 3-0
micromegas
Profile Joined November 2008
Denmark171 Posts
May 21 2010 13:25 GMT
#87
On May 20 2010 21:02 arlber wrote:
Effort 3-2

I have faith.


You mean:

Effort 3-2.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.
We need help, the poet reckoned.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
May 21 2010 14:29 GMT
#88
On May 21 2010 22:25 micromegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 21:02 arlber wrote:
Effort 3-2

I have faith.


You mean:

Effort 3-2.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.

You mean

Effort 3-2

THE IMPOSSIBLE SCENARIO

Go Flash !!!!!!!!! Rape that Alien
n_n
Fts
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden369 Posts
May 21 2010 17:34 GMT
#89
great read. Cant wait for the finals
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
May 21 2010 18:06 GMT
#90
Effort > Flash, 3-0.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
May 21 2010 19:08 GMT
#91
before the PL Effort vs Flash game I thought this would be a very one-sided finals, but after Flash lost... there seems to be some hope for Effort! Although, beating Flash in a boX will be much more difficult than to take one game from him...

3-2 Flash!
jaedong imba
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 21 2010 22:47 GMT
#92
Flash gonna take this 3-1
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
May 22 2010 00:01 GMT
#93
hey don't take the credit away from savior's defiler play... you don't have to only focus on the bad things a person does, just because hes caught in a scandal, doesn't mean he's necessarily always like that, we all have our "bad" days. savior just happened to have a "really" bad day and ofc im not saying what he did was justified, but just getting some perspective makes the world more understanding.
cloudJR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States266 Posts
May 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#94
Will this be shown live and if so where can it be viewed?
All I can hear are thousands of children screaming imbalance.......
auskal
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia5 Posts
May 22 2010 01:20 GMT
#95
hey Kal, u stole my name ive been using since like 1999 =] looks like its brought you luck!
permission to use deadly force?
ZBusterZ
Profile Joined October 2009
Peru49 Posts
May 22 2010 04:47 GMT
#96
3-1 Flash WWLW but If Effort take the second match probably 3-2 Effort..
"the pain is tenmporary-the victory is forever"
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
May 22 2010 05:15 GMT
#97
As much as i would like to see effort win this I think Flash will take it...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 22 2010 11:44 GMT
#98
wow
domination
hatred outlives the hateful
sushi.oi.zz
Profile Joined December 2009
Hong Kong72 Posts
May 22 2010 13:28 GMT
#99
I KNEW IT:

[22/05/2010 7:44:42 PM] sushi.oi.zz: okay
[22/05/2010 7:44:44 PM] sushi.oi.zz: they're playing again
[22/05/2010 7:44:44 PM] nuke_rush: Flash 2-0 Effort
[22/05/2010 7:44:45 PM] sushi.oi.zz: wow
[22/05/2010 7:45:13 PM] sushi.oi.zz: i sense a reverse all kill
[22/05/2010 7:46:20 PM] nuke_rush: such a shit final
[22/05/2010 7:46:25 PM] nuke_rush: Flash 3-0 Effort
[22/05/2010 7:46:25 PM] nuke_rush: hai


~O_o
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33579 Posts
May 22 2010 13:34 GMT
#100
well, shit
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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