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[OSL] Semi-Final: Kal vs Effort

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[OSL] Semi-Final: Kal vs Effort

Text byWaxangel
May 20th, 2010 06:55 GMT
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by WaxAngel and KwarK

These may be dark times, but we must remember this: We have something very special here, and no betrayal can make the love and support of the fans any less real.



Semi-Final Battlereports
by KwarK

Kim Gu Hyun ((P)Kal) vs Kim Jung Woo ((Z)EffOrt)

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Aka, the Dragon versus the Alien. Thanks to Trap for this cuddly picture


Game One - Great Barrier Reef - VOD

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Effort got green at 12 while Kal spawned at 8 in white on Great Barrier Reef. Effort opened overpool while Kal went for pylon gateway in main, a very unusual throwback to the 20th century. His scout probe went the wrong way but reached Effort's natural in time to block a FE, not having to urgently scout the main the way a standard protoss FE opening would. Effort responded by expanding to the natural at 5, following it up with a third hatchery at his natural.

Kal feigned some pressure with one gate zealots but it was just to limit drone production and he quickly rewalled his ramp with zealots rather than risk having his single gateway overrun. He then hid a citadel at the bottom of his main, killing the scout overlord before it was seen and adding a stargate. Then the moment the overlord died Kal cancelled the stargate, upgraded zealot speed and added two more gateways. The build he was faking, DTsair/reaversair rush, has several counters. One of them, a greedy hydralisk/spire with overlord speed, would have been hard countered by the speedlot rush. Unfortunately for Kal, Effort opted for a different counter, a quick ling allin to hit the one gate tech before it gets its important units.

Effort cut drones completely, barely mining either of his expansions, focussing on a mass zergling allin to break Kal's 'tech build'. Effort caught Kal before his three gateways kicked in and easily busted through the ramp. With three gateways, Kal was able to make a group of zealots large enough to not get flanked and overwhelmed but by this point Effort had seen what was up and any momentum Kal might have hoped for was gone. Effort had gotten lair up and added a spire while setting up a speedling concave at the base of Kal's ramp, keeping him contained.

Two mutalisks arrived and started taking free shots at Kal's zealots, forcing them to pull back to a single cannon at his nexus. The mutas went to work killing the single pylon powering the gateways and Kal decided to sacrifice his zealots to buy time to get anti-air. The zealots ran down the ramp into the waiting zergling concave with mutalisks raining fire from above. Although they bought enough time for a cannon to cover the gateways they extracted little value for their sacrifice. Effort had spent the last minute fixing his economy, spending his gas on mutalisks and his spare minerals on more drones. He'd gotten a second gas up and a decent clump of mutalisks, enough to start sniping probes. Meanwhile Kal had cut probes to speedlot allin and now found himself having to retech to dragoons while contained and without much money. Eventually he was forced to move out and the mutalisks promptly sniped all but five of his probes for negligible losses. His mass dragoons allined against a zerg with three hatcheries, a spire and speedling tech with predictable results. GG.

In many ways Kal was unfortunate here. He faked a tech rush perfectly, enough for me to believe he was going 2005 era dt sair. However I don't know if Effort recognised the possibility of mass speedlots and went for a counter that would work against both or if he just tried to break one gate tech and got lucky (Wax: Interview says he went speedlings because he was suspicious). Either way, once he saw the situation he played it perfectly. His mutalisk switch was extremely difficult for Kal to follow with a switch of his own and the speedling muta combination forced Kal to engage unfavourably over and over. Kal went for a clever cheese, faking a build while countering the counter to his fake but after Effort went massling and then saw the speedlots it was over.


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Kwark's Player Ratings
Effort: 4 of 5
Kal: 2 of 5

Effort 4 for a competent game with no mistakes and the possibility of an excellent read on Kal's build.
Kal 2 because I really don't know how good he's playing because he did something weird. His straightup play is top notch so I'm knocking him down from a 3 simply because not playing normally is a bad strategy when your standard is as good as Kal's.

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 1 of 5.
One base tech losing to 3 hatch lings is one the most boring, one-sided ways a match can end.


Game Two - Fighting Spirit - VOD

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Kal got teal at 1 while Effort got brown at 7 on Fighting Spirit. Kal opened FE while Effort went for an overpool. Kal scouted with a single probe, first to 5, then to 11 natural, before going forge-nex with a late forge. This is of course terrible play that loses instantly to a nine pool opening but I'm sure Kal thought the gains were worth the risk of an instant loss some of the time. Effort followed his overpool with an expansion and a wave of lings which were able to break through the wall of Kal which had a single cannon, killing four probes, stopping a maynard and wasting a lot of mining time.

Having punished Kal for his gambling opening Effort felt free to powerdrone, expand to 9, tech to lair and scout around Kal's base with a single remaining ling. Four more zerglings kept Kal playing completely blind by denying probe scouting, while Effort headed to mutalisks with a very strong economy. Effort took that strong economy and added three more hatcheries, going up to a six hatch macro build with powerdrones and mutalisks for map control. Kal's corsairs came too late to compete with three active hatcheries of mutalisks and despite Kal's four gateways of units Effort still had total map control.

Mutalisks harassed Kal's natural with scourges behind them threatening quick death to corsairs if they dared to intervene. In the meanwhile, the rest of the hatcheries came to life and pumped hydralisks and drones. A +1 zealot stab at the zerg natural was thwarted with a solid simcity and mutalisk support, and a dt that went to 9 found Effort's overlord and sunken coverage was perfect. Kal added gateways for a big push, unable to take an expansion without map control, but mass units was not a game he was going to win.

Mutalisks sniped a high templar but were forced back by a huge number of corsairs. Effort refused to accept this setback and responded with a huge flock of scourge to overwhelm the corsairs by force of numbers, and returned to sniping ht with a new group of mutalisks. With most of the templars dead he was free to attack move hydralisks into Kal's natural, and despite attacking head first into a big concave of speedlots and dragoons he was still able to batter Kal down with sheer numbers. GG.

This was a money game and Effort had the resources to play it exactly like he wanted. The ht sniping was a great example of it, Kal knew Effort wanted to snipe ht and made seven or so corsairs, destroying the mutalisks for a single ht loss the first time Effort tried it. Rather than accept this setback and allow Kal his air control Effort was able to respond by retaking air control by force thirty seconds later, and a few seconds after that sniped all the ht with a new group of mutalisks. It didn't matter that Kal anticipated his actions and countered them. So the question is how Effort got such an advantage. Kal's build was bad, one cannon was bad, losing those probes was bad, playing blind was bad, getting scouted continually by a ling was bad. Effort didn't have to make a single zergling more than was absolutely required throughout the early game because he could see exactly what Kal was doing. And that meant that at the point where a zerg usually goes five hat spire Effort could go six. Kal was in the opposite position, playing blind, afraid of possible cheeses and forced to do general builds capable of countering anything. Add into that the probe losses and the resource battle wasn't even close.


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Game of the Week
Kwark's Player Ratings
Effort: 4 of 5
Kal: 2 of 5

Kal 2 for his bad opening, his play was average from then on but when you've already lost the game in the first four minutes you deserve a 2.
Effort gets a 4. His play was good, he scouted the situation and he played it correctly. Macro, micro, strategy and tactics were all on form. The only thing stopping him from getting a 5 is that he didn't have to do anything special to win after that opening. The victory with the hydralisks wasn't the result of some exceptional play, rather the extrapolation of a lot of early drone production.

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 3 of 5
Clinical zerg play from effort.


Game Three - Match Point - VOD

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Kal spawned at 1 in purple while Effort got 7 in yellow on Match Point. Effort overpooled again while Kal went for a FE. Effort went for an eleven hatchery at the 6:00 neutral expand, following it with a quick third hat at his natural with just two zerglings. Effort pumped drones and took his gas, heading for lair, while Kal scouted 11 and 9 hoping to find the third hat. Effort eventually killed the scout probe and pumped out a dozen lings but Kal had added a second cannon and made enough units to be safe against speedlings.

Kal transitioned into stargate, reavers and mass sairs while Effort went for three hatch spire into six hatch hydra as he did in game 2. Corsairs and scourge clashed, Kal displaying some decent scourge bugging micro when he was paying attention, and gave away sairs for free when he wasn't. The net effect was about what he'd have gotten if he'd just attack moved, saving a few corsairs and throwing a few away. Effort's hydralisks moved to 3 and began to threaten Kal's natural but reavers and zealots pushed them back.

Effort's army was composed entirely of hydralisks and scourge while Kal had reavers in speed shuttles, speedlots, corsairs and HTs on the way. However in one moment of sloppy micro Kal managed to lose six of his eight corsairs to scourge for no kills other than the scourge suicide. Realising his army was now defenceless against a mutalisk switch Kal immediately pushed out, his speedlots and reavers pushing the hydralisks back with two good storms. Trying to make the most of the seconds before mutalisks retook map control Kal took his mineral only at 3 and switched to dragoons. The mutallisks succeeded in killing a reaver and a ht but there were sufficient dragoons and corsairs out to protect Kal's army by the time they were done. Effort used overlords to check Kal's push across the map, and he split his forces and launched a simultaneous counterattack at Kal's natural and mineral only.

By the time Kal saw this counter, his army was too out of position to return and he was forced to try for a base trade. Kal charged into Effort's natural as his mineral only fell. A round of zealots from his gateways combined with two reavers and a shuttle should have severely delayed the hydralisks pushing up the ramp into his natural, but the Kal was focusing on the wrong place at the wrong time, allowing the hydralisks to kill the two exposed reavers for little trouble. With cannon support, blocking buildings, room to retreat and a narrow choke, reaver-shuttle micro and speedlots flooding in could have stalled the hydralisks indefinitely, but instead both reavers met a meaningless death.

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Lose the reavers, storm the mutas. Not going to help vs all those yellow dots on the mini-map.


Kal and Effort's naturals both died at the same time and neither player was able to kill the other's main, as lurkers and dts were defending respectively. Kal made a hidden expansion at 5 and covered it with cannons while Effort camped at 6. Unfortunately for Kal his robo had been at his natural and has been destroyed, leaving him with just one observer. As lurkers hit his main it was defenseless and easily destroyed. Kal's observer had gone with his army to 6 so Effort's main, defended by lurkers, had survived. Effort had all his tech in his main, allowing him to crucially scourge snipe Kal's only observer. Effort was able to retake his natural with a few lurkers and scourge, killing the observer and recovering his economy.

The game calmed down briefly as neither could attack the other but it was clear that Effort had more money to fuel his recovery. His natural hatchery was followed by two more in his main and then another two at 9 and 11 bringing him back up to six hat and although Kal's new robo was finally complete he had only two gateways. An attempted harass was thwarted by Effort's mutalisk switch and Kal was left with just a tiny corner of the map against Effort's four bases. Effort's mutalisks and lurkers were together able to destroy Kal's dragoons and Effort just steamrolled him. GG.

Kal wasn't actually in a bad position when they were forced to allin trade bases. The game was decided by inspired play by Effort in relying on lurker defences to offer a base trade and then hold his main and by terrible play by Kal in not microing those reavers and not killing the main. Kal had a single observer and a big army, along with two possible targets, the expansion at 6 and the main at 7. The main had the spawning pool, spire and lair while the expansion had two hatcheries and more minerals. Kal attempted to attack both but his one observer went to 6 and Effort held his main. With his own expansion coming at 5 I feel Kal could have allowed 6 to survive and still have been in the game (especially because 6 is way too cramped to add more hatcheries) while by allowing the main to survive (which still had a fair few minerals) he allowed Effort to remacro considerably faster than he could without any damage to his tech. If he had killed Effort's main then he would not have had to deal with the scourge or the muta or the quick four hatcheries, assuming Kal's army maintained map control. Effort's money would have stacked up but without map control or anywhere to place hatcheries it would have been pointless. A great game by Effort of course but I feel Kal lost this by neglecting to add micro to the defence of his natural and by destroying the wrong base.


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Kwark's Player Ratings
Effort: 4 of 5
Kal: 2 of 5

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 3 of 5
Base trades add a certain degree of excitement to a game, but Kal's play should have been smarter in a chaotic situation.


Game Four - Eye of the Storm - VOD

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Effort won the series 3-0


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Effort won the series 3-0


Game Five - Great Barrier Reef - VOD

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Effort won the series 3-0


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Effort won the series 3-0

Winner Interview - by Smix
Results and Standings Mega-Thread


Coming Up...

Oh heck, let's get on with it already....


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Image by Keit


Here we are again, at the pinnacle of all things E-Sports, the OnGameNet Starleague final. While here at TeamLiquid, we try to be rational and even cynical to some degree about the progaming scene, we can't help but let out a little bit of the fanboy inside us for such a special event. This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average. And yet, as always, we dare to hope for something epic.

Flash is playing for a chance to be one of the best ever. There's no formula to becoming a "Bonjwa," that much debated word, but a dual-league win would be the deciding factor in the minds of many fans. Flash is playing at a transcendent level, but he needs the tournament results to turn the tide of his momentumt into a lasting legacy. And at the very least, it would be nice to have a 24k golden mouse to polish and admire every now and then.

For Effort, there's the weight of an entire team resting on his shoulders. The last champion CJ produced is now their deepest shame, sullying the legacy of one of E-sport's oldest teams and its beloved coach. Victory is vindication and redemption, proving that honest sweat and tears will outshine even the darkest deeds. But more than anything, it's about what OSL has meant since its beginning: One man's chance to achieve greatness.

Did I mention it's taking place in an aircraft hangar?



How they got there


(T)Flash
Previous winner, seeded into tournament

Round of 16
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Quarter-Finals
(T)Flash 2-0 (T)BaBy

(T)Flash > (T)BaBy on Eye of the Storm
(T)Flash > (T)BaBy on Great Barrier Reef

Semi-Finals
(T)Flash 3-0 (P)Pure

(T)Flash > (P)Pure on Great Barrier Reef
(T)Flash > (P)Pure on Eye of the Storm
(T)Flash > (P)Pure on Match Point


(Z)EffOrt
Top 16 finish in previous tournament - seeded into Round of 36

Round of 36
(Z)FireFist > (T)PianO on Great Barrier Reef
(Z)FireFist < (T)PianO on Fighting Spirit
(Z)FireFist > (T)PianO on Eye of the Storm

(Z)FireFist > (Z)EffOrt on Great Barrier Reef
(Z)FireFist < (Z)EffOrt on Fighting Spirit
(Z)FireFist < (Z)EffOrt on Eye of the Storm

Round of 16
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Three way tie


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Round One
(T)go.go <Match Point> (Z)Shine
(T)go.go <Eye of the Storm> (Z)EffOrt
(Z)EffOrt <Great Barrier Reef> (Z)Shine
Three way tie

Round Two
(Z)Shine <Eye of the Storm> (T)go.go
(Z)EffOrt <Match Point> (Z)Shine - This game was re-played due to a hardware error
(Z)EffOrt <Great Barrier Reef> (T)go.go
Three way tie

Round Three
(Z)Shine <Great Barrier Reef> (T)go.go
(Z)Shine <Eye of the Storm> (Z)EffOrt
(Z)EffOrt <Match Point> (T)go.go
Three way tie

Round Four
(Z)Shine <Match Point> (T)go.go
(T)go.go <Eye of the Storm> (Z)EffOrt
(Z)EffOrt <Great Barrier Reef> (Z)Shine

Effort qualifies for Korean Air OSL quarterfinals.


Quarter-Finals
(Z)EffOrt 2-0 (Z)ZerO

(Z)ZerO < (Z)EffOrt on Great Barrier Reef
(Z)ZerO < (Z)EffOrt on Match Point

Semi-Finals
(Z)EffOrt 3-0 (P)Kal

(P)Kal < (Z)EffOrt on Great Barrier Reef
(P)Kal < (Z)EffOrt on Fighting Spirit
(P)Kal < (Z)EffOrt on Match Point


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Bracket by SilverskY



Matchup Analysis


This matchup seemed so clear-cut a week ago. Flash was 9-1 in TvZ since his loss to Jaedong in the controversial Nate MSL finals, and he already had a ridiculous record coming into 2010. On the other hand, Effort went on a nine game ZvT losing streak from January to April that only ended when he beat the Go.go, a weak TvZ player (and a terrible human being, apparently. I do not suspect these games were fixed, as the investigation had already started when these games were played). It didn’t help his cause any that he went an even 2-2 with Go.go in the OSL tie-breakers. To make things look even worse for Effort, Flash showed some great series planning ability against Pure and Free, by mixing up cheese and normal builds to great effect.

In short, I thought Flash was going to crush Effort after some token resistance. Yet I should have known it was too simple to be true, and the world conspired to make the story slightly more complicated over the course of a couple of games.

Exhibit A:


Who knew these two would meet up in the Pro-league less than a week before their Finals date? In an absolute shocker, Effort beat Flash very handily on Judgment Day. As you can see from the game, Effort’s play in the game was very solid as he safely rode a significant early advantage to a slow victory. Flash’s play was very mediocre for his standards, though it was not terribly surprising he lost after his early setback. In a later interview, Flash expressed his plain take on the game: “The game was decided in the first battle, and there’s nothing I can do about that. I thought it was important that I try my best, and I don’t regret anything. Proleague is Proleague, Starleague is Starleague.” Effort was similarly nonchalant, saying “Proleague and individual leagues are different things, so it’s no big deal. Still, I’m happy that I took a game versus Flash before the finals.”

What do we learn from this game? The main thing I noticed was that Effort’s mechanics had improved. He seems to be macroing and microing much better than he was a month ago, when he was struggling to keep up with players like Go.go or scratching out a messy win against the TvZ disaster known as Fantasy. While it’s a different matchup, his semi-final versus Kal showed some much improved mechanics as well. As for Flash, it’s just his second TvZ loss since he lost to Jaedong. It just reminded me that he can have a bad day, no more and no less. Also, while Effort stopped Flash’s low-fat cheese rush with ease in this particular game, it showed that the mind games have already started.


Exhibit B:


It’s almost impossible to beat Flash in a long game, when he goes into turtle mode and plays half map vs half map. Action didn’t succeed at beating Flash in that scenario, but he showed that there is hope. With extremely good defiler use, Action backed Flash into a corner even though Flash was in his all time favorite position of camping with a bazillion tanks while vessels irradiate everything in sight. It didn’t look easy, but Action made it look like it was at least possible to beat a turtling Flash in ZvT.

Unfortunately, I find this more relevant to Jaedong than I do for Effort (or Calm, as long as we’re talking about MSL). While Action is lacking in many respects, his ZvT defiler use is quite possibly the best in the world. His ability to always have swarms in the right place at the right time reminds me of Savi- I mean, I’ve never seen anything like it! Effort is far from being a poor user of defilers, but I don’t know if he can exhibit the virtuoso level of hive management Action displayed in that game. Still, a glimmer of hope is still hope, and Effort will definitely want to learn whatever he can from that game.

On a side note, the game was played on the last PL day before the final. Both KT and CJ were playing, yet CJ saved Effort from revealing anything while KT went ahead and let Flash play (although he did not play in the ace-match). In another tangent, Flash was rather animated in his post-match interview. He seemed more than a little ticked off at not being his normal dominating self, and couldn’t seem to wait for the finals as he promised a 3-0 victory over Effort (here I realized Flash has the “really hates to lose” gene, notably possessed by other great players such as Boxer and Jaedong. On the other hand, a player like iloveoov had the “really loves to crush his opponents” gene. But I digress).


In conclusion, Effort looks miraculously better than he did just a month ago, when he looked like a very mediocre player. He is definitely running hot, but it's hard to tell if fire will become a raging inferno, or just burn itself out. While Effort has improved during his OSL run, I can’t really put a huge amount of value into one good win against Flash. Similarly, while this is the ‘weakest’ five day period Flash has had in a while, I can’t take what amounts to a just few bad days too seriously. While I definitely think Effort has a better chance than I did a week ago, Flash was already so far ahead in my mind that it doesn’t change my prediction. Flash wins, 3-0.



Predictions


WaxAngel: Flash wins 3-0

Kwark: Flash wins 3-0
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I gave both Effort and Flash 4s for their semifinal games so off that basis this final should be rather interesting with whichever player ups their game to a 5 taking it. My instinctive urge is towards Flash, both because he's Flash and because we know he has much more to give than he has recently. Obviously Effort's recent win over him has to be weighed into any judgement but I just don't believe that Flash was properly prepared or using his best builds. With commitments in all three leagues and recent Protoss opponents Flash faced disadvantages in those games that will not be repeated in the final. The final will show us Flash playing like Flash, rax FEs without any mech nonsense, valks or fOrGG style mass rax allins. He'll play safe, solid and standard and, with his skills, he'll take it down. In the past there has only ever been one man capable of taking on Flash's 1 rax FE and Effort is not that man. Flash will be at his best and I just don't think Effort has it in him.


We also asked the PL and MSL writers to give us their opinions, as well as a few other members of the staff.

l10f: Flash wins 3-2
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Set 1: Effort > Flash

There's something with Flash and Match Point. He's 3-4 against Zergs on this map, and seeing how Effort took down Flash on Judgement Day after Flash made a couple of mistakes, if Effort is in shape, this is one set that he should definitely be taking.

Set 2: Flash > Effort

Both players' stats on this map are pretty good, but seeing how T > Z on this map overall, unless Effort pulls out a really good strategy, it'll be Flash vs Type-B all over again (fixed game apparently). And that wasn't pretty for the Zerg.

Set 3: Effort > Flash

Effort had a really good (but somewhat sloppy) game against fantasy on here not too long ago. If Flash opens and stays with a bionic build, Effort has a good chance of taking this one as long as he doesn't let Flash take another main expansion.

Set 4: Flash > Effort

I have a feeling Effort will try an all-in build here. Flash will defend it easily for the win. Even if Effort does not all in, this El Nino remake favors the Terran. The semi-island style also works well with Flash's strong mechanics and harassment.

Set 5: Flash > Effort

If this goes to the 5th set, I feel like Flash will most likely win. Although Match Point TvZ seems to get Flash often, I don't think Flash will lose to the same person on the same map twice. He even beat JD on this map in proleague after losing to him in the MSL finals.

flamewheel91: Flash wins 3-1
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Going into this finals, with the maps all being Terran favoured, plus Flash being the favourite over EffOrt anyway, it's hard to say that "oh well even though X is better, map is favourable toward Y." Even given EffOrt's recent hot streak, it'd be hard to think that he could take this OSL (and golden mouse opportunity) from Flash.

Flash < Match Point > (Z)EffOrt

It is interesting that Flash is 3:4 on Match Point, which is pretty heavily TvZ favoured. At first, I was like "oh well Jaedong probably accounts for two of these losses" but then it turns out that he's 1:1 with Jaedong on this map... with losses to Hyun, hyvaa, and ZerO otherwise. EffOrt also has a losing record vT on this map, to lesser terrans like go.go, Bogus, and Lomo. EffOrt has shown that he can beat Flash in a straight up game, and he is on a monster streak, but let's be real here: Flash is still Flash, and because he is he should win the game, but I wouldn't be surprised if EffOrt does.

(T)Flash < Eye of the Storm > (Z)EffOrt

This map is also TvZ favoured, but it's not by that much. Flash is 4-0 vZ and EffOrt is 3-0 vT, but EffOrt's wins were over go.go and CuteAngel... Going to call for Flash taking this one as well, unless EffOrt brings a tricky strategy a la Jaedong on Fighting Spirit last MSL.

(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (Z)EffOrt

Another TvZ favoured map, with Flash being 7-2 and EffOrt being 1-2, but with the 1 being most recently against fantasy with a cool build. Bringing up Jaedong again, and barring power outages (for this isn't MSL) if EffOrt takes an early lead and keeps Flash from tank-switching for long enough, he could take this one.

(T)Flash < Great Barrier Reef > (Z)EffOrt

There haven't been too many matches played on this map (8-6 TvZ) but since it's close to an El Nino clone, you'd expect it to behave as such. As such, the semi-islands will support Flash's defenses and mechanics, and should allow for strong dropship use for harassment. Flash takes this, and takes the Golden Mouse.

Oh, and if it gets down to it, Flash wins the 5th set because he's Flash.

(T)Flash 3-1 (Z)EffOrt

pangshai: Flash wins 3-2
+ Show Spoiler [Details] +
I haven't watched the CJ vs KT games, and probably won't, but holy s***, Flash showing a chink in his armour, so close to the finals? I'm worried - losing 2 games in a night is not good form, especially when the second match is the ace match against some noob called Snow. Then again, what am I getting upset over. Flash has won basically every damn game he's played since 2010. He's probably the only progamer ever to get people anxious over a single loss. I'm going with Flash 3-2 Effort just on gut feeling.

heyoka: Flash wins 3-2
+ Show Spoiler [Details] +
Hoping for EffOrt, predicting Flash 3-2. EffOrt is good enough to give him problems, and the series opening on Match Point is a tick in his favor. Unfortunately for him Flash is fighting for a golden mouse which means 20 hour practice days are probably on the short side for this week.

GTR: Flash wins 3-2
Nazgul: Flash wins 3-0
Emlary: Flash wins 3-0
Hot_Bid: Effort wins 3-1
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kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
May 20 2010 07:04 GMT
#2
I'm so hyped for finals!!!!
8==========))
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 20 2010 07:05 GMT
#3
Lovely article.
I'm going to be happy either way- I love witnessing Flashes dominance but I'm a Zerg fan at heart. My hope is to see some serious new Zerg play- some 10 base shit- and maybe a 3-1 for EffOrt.

Either way, I don't see EffOrt getting rolled. This will be a good set in any event.
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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
May 20 2010 07:05 GMT
#4
Go Effort!
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
May 20 2010 07:06 GMT
#5
Sick article, wax.
This matchup is so awesome.
Can he defeat Flash?

kek
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Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 20 2010 07:07 GMT
#6
Somebody still predicts Effort will win. So, not everything is lost for this final yet.
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Profile Joined January 2010
Canada22 Posts
May 20 2010 07:07 GMT
#7
hot_bid is the only one with faith
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 07:11:19
May 20 2010 07:10 GMT
#8
Hot_Bid is on target
(just this once)
Especially if Flash tries more of that Mech stuff he's been pulling.
I think he's been trying to tie his TvZ in a bit more with is TvP, to make them both easier to dominate for him.
Though... I think he really needs to go back to that strong MnM play to deal with EffOrt. His macro is WAY too good to let him take bases on a slower Mech army.
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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
May 20 2010 07:11 GMT
#9
Effort will get owned, no doubt.

Flash will seize his trophy no matter what EffOrt tries to throw at him
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Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
May 20 2010 07:12 GMT
#10
Now I'm waiting for both Jaedong/Clam and Effort to destroy Flash, so the whole SC community goes FUUUUUUU-

Nice writeup
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
May 20 2010 07:20 GMT
#11
Poor Hot_Bid.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 20 2010 07:28 GMT
#12
yeaaa hotbid prediction ftw
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
May 20 2010 07:28 GMT
#13
PUMPED!!!!!!!!!!

Don't care who wins as long as there are 5 games of pure fucking skill and the winner leaves the booth a blubbering pile of sweat!

Bring on Saturday.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 20 2010 07:39 GMT
#14
I like how none of us staff want EffOrt to win... but Hot_Bid.

Go Flash~
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TheMunkey
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada470 Posts
May 20 2010 07:42 GMT
#15
If effort somehow wins I will stop terrorism my self.
Never give up
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
May 20 2010 07:46 GMT
#16
Awesome, gonna read this in more detail when I get home. Nice work Keit.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
May 20 2010 07:50 GMT
#17
I wonder what Kim Carrier will predict because if he takes Flash it'll probably break the curse.
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frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
May 20 2010 07:52 GMT
#18
On May 20 2010 16:06 Trozz wrote:
Sick article, wax.
This matchup is so awesome.
Can he defeat Flash?

kek


Haha nice one!

No, I don't think EffOrt can beat FlaSh though... He's too good...
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42249 Posts
May 20 2010 07:56 GMT
#19
On May 20 2010 16:50 Crunchums wrote:
I wonder what Kim Carrier will predict because if he takes Flash it'll probably break the curse.

Didn't he already break it with Stork over Fantasy?
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traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
May 20 2010 08:02 GMT
#20
i feel good about myself voting for effort in the "who has the best shot to beat flash?" poll a few weeks ago. doubt he'll win more than a single game, though...
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
May 20 2010 08:05 GMT
#21
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW PUMPED I AM
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 20 2010 08:19 GMT
#22
On May 20 2010 16:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 16:50 Crunchums wrote:
I wonder what Kim Carrier will predict because if he takes Flash it'll probably break the curse.

Didn't he already break it with Stork over Fantasy?


Jaedong also broke the Kim Carrier curse twice already.
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1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
May 20 2010 08:19 GMT
#23
On May 20 2010 17:05 0mgVitaminE wrote:
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW PUMPED I AM


Yes. We do.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
May 20 2010 08:28 GMT
#24
On May 20 2010 16:39 flamewheel91 wrote:
I like how none of us staff want EffOrt to win... but Hot_Bid.

Go Flash~


A prediction is not about who someones wants to win. Just an objective view on the outcome, innit?
TheMute
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
May 20 2010 08:46 GMT
#25
EFFORT HAS GOT THIS. 4 POOL GOGOGOGO

Effort is good. Was indeed slumping but I think he's back. Give him some credit.
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
May 20 2010 08:48 GMT
#26
i hope effort will make this an epic series
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7760 Posts
May 20 2010 08:54 GMT
#27
I hope Effort puts up a fight... but Flash will definitely take the series...
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
May 20 2010 09:10 GMT
#28
lol @ hotbid for predicting effort win.

you probably didnt read flashs most recent interview: FLASH IS IN THE ZONE!
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
antiq
Profile Joined June 2008
Slovakia191 Posts
May 20 2010 09:16 GMT
#29

...
Hot_Bid: Effort wins 3-1


HotBid, you maverick!

Looking forward to this.
It's the perfect matchup, each player the embodiment of his race - perfect weapon/robot terran Flash and the alien swarming zerg Effort.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2584 Posts
May 20 2010 09:16 GMT
#30

imo this video is worthy to be in OP writeup : P
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Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
May 20 2010 09:52 GMT
#31
On May 20 2010 18:16 chongu wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVoBLdgd774
imo this video is worthy to be in OP writeup : P

ho. ly. shiiiit.

whoever made that deserves a Nobel Prize or Academy Award or TL Front Page or some prize equally godlike
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
May 20 2010 10:41 GMT
#32
Flash wins 3-0 in less than 35 minutes.
Worst OSL final ever.
hi man O_O
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Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
May 20 2010 10:49 GMT
#33
nice write up!! gogog Lee Young Ho~
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
May 20 2010 11:11 GMT
#34
On May 20 2010 18:52 Wings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 18:16 chongu wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVoBLdgd774
imo this video is worthy to be in OP writeup : P

ho. ly. shiiiit.

whoever made that deserves a Nobel Prize or Academy Award or TL Front Page or some prize equally godlike


Holy hell i am stoned as fuck and this had me all hyped all throughout
good shit what the fuck
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Inkblood
Profile Joined February 2010
United States463 Posts
May 20 2010 11:15 GMT
#35
Nice article. I'm totally looking forward to the finals, I expect Flash to win pretty handily. Hopefully we'll get great games regardless.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
May 20 2010 11:44 GMT
#36
Seriously there is a long time i don't watch vods and sc related stuff, but god damn i want so much to see this finals! Go flash!!! Golden Mouse plus two big wins in both finals
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
arlber
Profile Joined June 2009
United States58 Posts
May 20 2010 12:02 GMT
#37
Effort 3-2

I have faith.
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
May 20 2010 12:18 GMT
#38
Just like when Jaedong played against calm and fantasy, flash is gonna win over jaedong and lose to effort :D

That would be so lol!
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
May 20 2010 12:39 GMT
#39
Hot_Bid: Effort wins 3-1

I agree with you Hot_Bid, EffOrt will win this.
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
May 20 2010 13:02 GMT
#40
EFFORT
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 20 2010 13:48 GMT
#41
lol @ roommate using british spellings (and overusing "favo[u]r")

flash 3-1, with effort doing some all prepared "strategic play"
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durd
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12 Posts
May 20 2010 14:29 GMT
#42
Looking forward to a great series, especially after the fashion in which Effort dismantled Kal. Interesting that the mouse-malfunction tiebreaker has led effort to this situation.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
May 20 2010 15:11 GMT
#43
Effort will take this. You heard it here first.

Umm.... No you didn't. Hotbid beat me to it.
WWJDD??
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 15:31:11
May 20 2010 15:30 GMT
#44
95% chance of flash winning, but i bet in my 5%
BW is back
pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
May 20 2010 15:32 GMT
#45
Fuck yeah, Lee Bonjwa.

I only hope Effort can give him a good run for his money. I loves me some exciting SC. Especially considering their game on Judgement Day.

GOGO TERMINATOR TERRAN
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
May 20 2010 15:44 GMT
#46
flash 3-1
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ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
May 20 2010 15:48 GMT
#47
3-1 Flash

Match Point twice has me slightly worried...not too worried though
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 16:10:47
May 20 2010 16:10 GMT
#48
On May 20 2010 15:55 Waxangel wrote:This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average.

Honestly, this kind of negativity has been going on for several weeks now, isn't it time to give these players their due? I mean, why is it even necessary to mention this, let alone the fact that there's really no basis for this assertion anyway?

This is going to be a good final, and we can all hope for a great final, can't we?
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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
May 20 2010 16:13 GMT
#49
Effort 3-0.

Flash is about to get rolled.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 16:22:16
May 20 2010 16:21 GMT
#50
On May 21 2010 01:10 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 15:55 Waxangel wrote:This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average.

Honestly, this kind of negativity has been going on for several weeks now, isn't it time to give these players their due? I mean, why is it even necessary to mention this, let alone the fact that there's really no basis for this assertion anyway?

This is going to be a good final, and we can all hope for a great final, can't we?


I hope for a great final, doesn't mean it's not a sub-par card.

I'm not concerned with hype for hype's sake.
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jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
May 20 2010 16:59 GMT
#51
hot bid went rogue
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
May 20 2010 17:07 GMT
#52
its efforts time to win a starleague! GOGO Effort
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Gnizz
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Germany44 Posts
May 20 2010 17:37 GMT
#53
Ooooh this will be so exciting, I hope for at least 1-2 epic matches.

3:2 Flash!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32271 Posts
May 20 2010 18:06 GMT
#54
Hot_Bid is right.

also lol at the hype video. It's amazing.
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
May 20 2010 18:13 GMT
#55
lol. effort vs flash
is this even going to be a challenge for Flash
i hope so
cw)minsean(ru
Oddysay
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada597 Posts
May 20 2010 18:49 GMT
#56
effort will win
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
May 20 2010 19:03 GMT
#57
good article, but i have to go with hot_bid on this.

+ Show Spoiler +

Matchpoint; Flash > Effort
Eye of the Storm: Flash < Effort
Fighting Spirit: could go either way, probably Flash > Effort
Great Barrier Reef: Flash < Effort
Matchpoint: Flash< Effort (if needed)

Final:
Flash 2 - 3 Effort
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
May 20 2010 19:28 GMT
#58
Hot_Bid -_- Seriously?
Part Time Ninja
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 20:05:24
May 20 2010 20:04 GMT
#59
Effort to hit a 14 win streak
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
May 20 2010 20:07 GMT
#60
On May 21 2010 04:28 Arhkangel wrote:
Hot_Bid -_- Seriously?

lol...someone's gotta do it
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
May 20 2010 20:36 GMT
#61
I think Flash will win... but I want Effort to put up an 'effort' for the ages! OSL finals haven't been epic in a while....
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36373 Posts
May 20 2010 20:47 GMT
#62
Effort has this easy, 3-1 with the only loss to bunker rush.

CJ needs this and it'll happen.
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C0rrupt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States57 Posts
May 20 2010 21:33 GMT
#63
This isnt even fair for effort
The corruption has begun
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
May 20 2010 21:58 GMT
#64
I'm actually more excited to watch Flash vs. Effort than I am Flash vs. Jaedong, if you can believe that. Flash vs Jaedong? Whoever wins, no one will really change their perceptions of either player, it's a guaranteed battle of titans either way. But what if Effort beats flash? What if effort beats flash 3-0 in a surprise display of dominance and brutality matched only by bisu dethroning savior? Effort when he's playing well is one of the most dangerous players in the game.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect flash to win. But I think it would be way more entertaining if Effort roflstomped him. I want good games, no stupid shit, and I'm definitely not rooting against flash -- but I do want effort to win.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36373 Posts
May 20 2010 22:21 GMT
#65
On May 21 2010 06:33 C0rrupt wrote:
This isnt even fair for effort

Yeah maybe they should give Flash a 1-0 lead.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
May 20 2010 22:44 GMT
#66
Hahahaha Hot_Bid predictions = awesome.
But I predict effort 3-0 Flash
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 20 2010 22:48 GMT
#67
EffOrt is going to show you all how its done.
Flash will play over confident, and skip shit like Turrets or Firebats or Harass and subsequently get owned.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:13:47
May 20 2010 23:13 GMT
#68
Lol only Hot_Bid thinks that EffOrt is going to win. : ( Go go EffOrt fighting!!!
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
May 20 2010 23:15 GMT
#69
On May 20 2010 16:07 VisuaL. wrote:
hot_bid is the only one with faith

Or the only fool arround?
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 20 2010 23:19 GMT
#70
One thing for sure, even if Flash 3-0 Effort, the games would still be exciting (not one-sided)
"Start yo" -FlaSh
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
May 20 2010 23:31 GMT
#71
guys guys I hate to interrupt but we all know how this is going to end ...

(T)Flash > (Z)EffOrt
(T)Flash > (Z)EffOrt
(T)Flash < (Z)EffOrt
(T)Flash < (T)Power outage
(T)Flash < (Z)EffOrt
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:56:20
May 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#72
On May 21 2010 05:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
Effort has this easy, 3-1 with the only loss to bunker rush.

CJ needs this and it'll happen.


Actually, I kind of agree with this. CJ and Effort NEED this.
It's like, how the Saints needed to beat the Colts; without it, there's no meaning. Effort needs to win, and for that, he will win.

Also, I love action's play. If he could get his multi-tasking up a little more, he'd be GREAT, like, GGPlay in his OSL finals.
darkness overpowering
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 20 2010 23:53 GMT
#73
haha i really liked the reference to savior
it's very true, action is ridiculously good at the late game, although he seems somewhat inept at times

im hoping for 3-2 effort but chances are it's gonna be 3-1 flash.
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #49
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 21 2010 00:42 GMT
#74
On May 21 2010 05:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
Effort has this easy, 3-1 with the only loss to bunker rush.

CJ needs this and it'll happen.

Effort will need to go for a huge econ lead in every game and pray that flash doesn't bunker rush. Sure Effort has a shot, but come on...
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 01:06:25
May 21 2010 01:05 GMT
#75
On May 21 2010 01:21 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 01:10 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 20 2010 15:55 Waxangel wrote:This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average.

Honestly, this kind of negativity has been going on for several weeks now, isn't it time to give these players their due? I mean, why is it even necessary to mention this, let alone the fact that there's really no basis for this assertion anyway?

This is going to be a good final, and we can all hope for a great final, can't we?


I hope for a great final, doesn't mean it's not a sub-par card.

I'm not concerned with hype for hype's sake.

What I meant is that I'm not even convinced it's a sub-par finals. It's certainly a better match (on paper) than the last two OSL finals.

I just don't think you can make that kind of an assertion so casually beforehand.
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Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
May 21 2010 01:32 GMT
#76
I think flash will win realistically, but I am rooting for effort to 3-0! Go go CJ!
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
May 21 2010 01:43 GMT
#77
Sure FlaSh is the smartest prediction, but it would be Epic if EffOrt won a game
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
May 21 2010 02:03 GMT
#78
2 games on Match Point???? Flash is in trouble...
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32271 Posts
May 21 2010 03:23 GMT
#79
On May 21 2010 09:42 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 05:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
Effort has this easy, 3-1 with the only loss to bunker rush.

CJ needs this and it'll happen.

Effort will need to go for a huge econ lead in every game and pray that flash doesn't bunker rush. Sure Effort has a shot, but come on...


Yeah we all know how well Flash did a bunker rush against EffOrt last time they met.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#80
On May 21 2010 10:05 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 01:21 Waxangel wrote:
On May 21 2010 01:10 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 20 2010 15:55 Waxangel wrote:This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average.

Honestly, this kind of negativity has been going on for several weeks now, isn't it time to give these players their due? I mean, why is it even necessary to mention this, let alone the fact that there's really no basis for this assertion anyway?

This is going to be a good final, and we can all hope for a great final, can't we?


I hope for a great final, doesn't mean it's not a sub-par card.

I'm not concerned with hype for hype's sake.

What I meant is that I'm not even convinced it's a sub-par finals. It's certainly a better match (on paper) than the last two OSL finals.

I just don't think you can make that kind of an assertion so casually beforehand.


Just to make sure, I just looked through all thirty OSL finals. Yeah, it's pretty much below average in terms of matchup parity, and somewhat below in terms of combined name value.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 04:54:15
May 21 2010 04:53 GMT
#81
On May 21 2010 12:47 Waxangel wrote:
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On May 21 2010 10:05 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 21 2010 01:21 Waxangel wrote:
On May 21 2010 01:10 tree.hugger wrote:
On May 20 2010 15:55 Waxangel wrote:This card on paper is nowhere near the best we've seen, and maybe it's even not even meeting the average.

Honestly, this kind of negativity has been going on for several weeks now, isn't it time to give these players their due? I mean, why is it even necessary to mention this, let alone the fact that there's really no basis for this assertion anyway?

This is going to be a good final, and we can all hope for a great final, can't we?


I hope for a great final, doesn't mean it's not a sub-par card.

I'm not concerned with hype for hype's sake.

What I meant is that I'm not even convinced it's a sub-par finals. It's certainly a better match (on paper) than the last two OSL finals.

I just don't think you can make that kind of an assertion so casually beforehand.


Just to make sure, I just looked through all thirty OSL finals. Yeah, it's pretty much below average in terms of matchup parity, and somewhat below in terms of combined name value.


I checked them too, and I'll give you that.

But Flash is playing better terran than anyone else has... ever. While EffOrt might only be the second best zerg around currently, that doesn't tell you that much if the best zerg is the greatest of that race of all time. EffOrt's multi-task might be the best in the game, his mechanics are almost unparalleled.

Now obviously we both know this, but I'd suggest that the combined starcraft skill of these two players is beyond anything we've ever seen before. And then there's the possible golden mouse, and the CJ/sAviOr storyline. I feel like you're underselling this, and I'm not sure why.

Hype for hype's sake? I know TL's not strictly selling anything, but I feel like part of the job of the newsposts and TL's coverage should hype up events like a starleague finals. Why not? If more people are excited about these events, and more people watch the streams, and talk, and discuss and rage about it, then that builds this community.

I'm not trying to in anyway put the weight of the community on your shoulders, and please understand, I've loved your season of coverage, I think TL's coverage keeps improving every year, but something about the tone of this and the last few articles have just seemed dismissive, and I can't see the reason for it. There's plenty to be excited about, plenty of storylines to follow, and some excellent games ahead.

If each game is as interesting, exciting and crazy as the two Flash v. Z's that you've linked to, then we're going to be in for the best starleague in recent memory. And if every game sucks, well then, that would be disappointing. But I'd bet on an entertaining starleague final.
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19130 Posts
May 21 2010 08:10 GMT
#82
Effort 3-1 go!
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AncienTs
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan227 Posts
May 21 2010 08:36 GMT
#83
3-1 flash ?
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freezer222
Profile Joined August 2008
5 Posts
May 21 2010 08:43 GMT
#84
Flash 3-2 Effort OSL Finals
Jaedong 3-2 Flash MSL Finals
gg
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
May 21 2010 12:20 GMT
#85
Screw effort, go flash.
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nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
May 21 2010 13:03 GMT
#86
Effort 3-0
micromegas
Profile Joined November 2008
Denmark171 Posts
May 21 2010 13:25 GMT
#87
On May 20 2010 21:02 arlber wrote:
Effort 3-2

I have faith.


You mean:

Effort 3-2.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.
We need help, the poet reckoned.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6163 Posts
May 21 2010 14:29 GMT
#88
On May 21 2010 22:25 micromegas wrote:
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On May 20 2010 21:02 arlber wrote:
Effort 3-2

I have faith.


You mean:

Effort 3-2.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.

You mean

Effort 3-2

THE IMPOSSIBLE SCENARIO

Go Flash !!!!!!!!! Rape that Alien
n_n
Fts
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden369 Posts
May 21 2010 17:34 GMT
#89
great read. Cant wait for the finals
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
May 21 2010 18:06 GMT
#90
Effort > Flash, 3-0.
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
May 21 2010 19:08 GMT
#91
before the PL Effort vs Flash game I thought this would be a very one-sided finals, but after Flash lost... there seems to be some hope for Effort! Although, beating Flash in a boX will be much more difficult than to take one game from him...

3-2 Flash!
jaedong imba
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 21 2010 22:47 GMT
#92
Flash gonna take this 3-1
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Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
May 22 2010 00:01 GMT
#93
hey don't take the credit away from savior's defiler play... you don't have to only focus on the bad things a person does, just because hes caught in a scandal, doesn't mean he's necessarily always like that, we all have our "bad" days. savior just happened to have a "really" bad day and ofc im not saying what he did was justified, but just getting some perspective makes the world more understanding.
cloudJR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States266 Posts
May 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#94
Will this be shown live and if so where can it be viewed?
All I can hear are thousands of children screaming imbalance.......
auskal
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia5 Posts
May 22 2010 01:20 GMT
#95
hey Kal, u stole my name ive been using since like 1999 =] looks like its brought you luck!
permission to use deadly force?
ZBusterZ
Profile Joined October 2009
Peru49 Posts
May 22 2010 04:47 GMT
#96
3-1 Flash WWLW but If Effort take the second match probably 3-2 Effort..
"the pain is tenmporary-the victory is forever"
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
May 22 2010 05:15 GMT
#97
As much as i would like to see effort win this I think Flash will take it...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
May 22 2010 11:44 GMT
#98
wow
domination
hatred outlives the hateful
sushi.oi.zz
Profile Joined December 2009
Hong Kong72 Posts
May 22 2010 13:28 GMT
#99
I KNEW IT:

[22/05/2010 7:44:42 PM] sushi.oi.zz: okay
[22/05/2010 7:44:44 PM] sushi.oi.zz: they're playing again
[22/05/2010 7:44:44 PM] nuke_rush: Flash 2-0 Effort
[22/05/2010 7:44:45 PM] sushi.oi.zz: wow
[22/05/2010 7:45:13 PM] sushi.oi.zz: i sense a reverse all kill
[22/05/2010 7:46:20 PM] nuke_rush: such a shit final
[22/05/2010 7:46:25 PM] nuke_rush: Flash 3-0 Effort
[22/05/2010 7:46:25 PM] nuke_rush: hai


~O_o
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
May 22 2010 13:34 GMT
#100
well, shit
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
May 22 2010 13:52 GMT
#101
woo. hot bid!
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36373 Posts
May 22 2010 14:09 GMT
#102
Sorry guys my 3-1 prediction turned out wrong, but its really hard to predict monitor cheese.
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Fate25
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore47 Posts
May 22 2010 14:12 GMT
#103
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omg effort won the OSL? I gotta watch those games soon..... That really is an underdog win!
jackofclubs81
Profile Joined January 2010
United States196 Posts
May 22 2010 16:46 GMT
#104
i really hope flash loses
he has the boringest personality of any of the players that dominated their era and shouldnt be the one that defines this one.
Trinton07
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 20:01:25
May 22 2010 20:00 GMT
#105
+ Show Spoiler +
In Game four flash did a porxy which completely failed, and in game five flash went for an insanley fast expansion, and effort just made mass zerglings to win. I really think if flash played standard those last two games he would've won <.<
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 22:56:02
May 22 2010 22:55 GMT
#106
On May 22 2010 22:28 sushi.oi.zz wrote:
I KNEW IT:

[22/05/2010 7:44:42 PM] sushi.oi.zz: okay
[22/05/2010 7:44:44 PM] sushi.oi.zz: they're playing again
[22/05/2010 7:44:44 PM] nuke_rush: Flash 2-0 Effort
[22/05/2010 7:44:45 PM] sushi.oi.zz: wow
[22/05/2010 7:45:13 PM] sushi.oi.zz: i sense a reverse all kill
[22/05/2010 7:46:20 PM] nuke_rush: such a shit final
[22/05/2010 7:46:25 PM] nuke_rush: Flash 3-0 Effort
[22/05/2010 7:46:25 PM] nuke_rush: hai

Then again, you also said this in the LR:

On May 22 2010 20:50 sushi.oi.zz wrote:
FLASH. I HATE YOU. GO DIE.

Which makes me somewhat doubt your impartiality as a prophet.
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TC02
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada29 Posts
May 23 2010 01:13 GMT
#107
A side note in the battle report for game 3 between Kal vs Effort. Kal actually forgot to upgrade goon range that entire game or else he wouldn't have failed so miserably.
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