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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
May 20 2010 20:42 GMT
#961
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 20 2010 20:50 GMT
#962
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 20:52:59
May 20 2010 20:51 GMT
#963
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


Are you speaking from the perspective of the Korean scene?

Savior did "create" the word, "bonjwa".

People used to chat his name after his victories.
Vathus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 21:13:31
May 20 2010 21:13 GMT
#964
Did savior actually fix any of his own games? Or was he bribing/paying other players to throw their games and then taking some of the money that he was supposed to pay the other players with? or both?
tomfle
Profile Joined June 2008
7 Posts
May 20 2010 21:42 GMT
#965
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 20 2010 21:56 GMT
#966
Anyone want to translate Hwasin's apology please?
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 20 2010 21:57 GMT
#967
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 20 2010 21:59 GMT
#968
Also, there's an article on fomos about ACE in connection with Darkelf I presume. Any summary of content or translation would be greatly appreciated.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
tomfle
Profile Joined June 2008
7 Posts
May 20 2010 22:02 GMT
#969
On May 21 2010 06:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior


Obviously they are not. Only need to point out one thing: they let Boxer and Savior to relay the 2008 olympic torch, not Nada or Oov.

Btw, Savior refuted to take part, quoting China's poor human rights. At that time I thought he was a good guy, or maybe he really was...
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 20 2010 22:26 GMT
#970
On May 21 2010 06:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior


not anymore
why so 진지해?
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
May 20 2010 22:40 GMT
#971
On May 21 2010 07:02 tomfle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 06:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior


Obviously they are not. Only need to point out one thing: they let Boxer and Savior to relay the 2008 olympic torch, not Nada or Oov.

Btw, Savior refuted to take part, quoting China's poor human rights. At that time I thought he was a good guy, or maybe he really was...

savior was paid 20,000,000 won to not do the torch relay by gambling site
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
May 20 2010 22:42 GMT
#972
On May 21 2010 07:02 tomfle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 06:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior


Obviously they are not. Only need to point out one thing: they let Boxer and Savior to relay the 2008 olympic torch, not Nada or Oov.

Btw, Savior refuted to take part, quoting China's poor human rights. At that time I thought he was a good guy, or maybe he really was...

He did it to fight the system! With this spectacle he intended to draw attention to the poor conditions of the progamers - he wouldnt have gotten attention like this with conventional means

Ma Jae Yoon 4ever!!
If you have to ask, you don't know.
NeoScout
Profile Joined April 2010
United States103 Posts
May 20 2010 22:44 GMT
#973
so sad
Sawajiri
Profile Joined June 2007
Austria417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 22:52:49
May 20 2010 22:51 GMT
#974
Hwasin's apology:

죄 송합니다
I'm sorry.

죄송합니다.
I'm sorry.

정말 죄송합니다. e스포츠 관계자분들과 구단분들, 그리고 무엇보다 우리 팀 동료들과 저를 지켜봐주시고 믿어주신 팬 여러분께 진심으로 머리숙여 죄송합니다.
I'm really sorry. I apologize sincerely to everyone involved with and working in e-sports, and especially to my team mates and all my fans who've been watching me and believing in me.

감히 죄송하다는 말씀 드릴 자격도 없지만.. 가만히 있는 것은 더욱 도리가 아닌 것 같아, 이렇게 부끄러운 사죄의 글을 올립니다.
I know I don't even have the right to apologize... I'm uploading this apology with the thought that keeping silent on the matter would be even worse.


어린 나이도 아니고, 한 순간의 실수였다고 용서를 빌 수 있는 일이 아니라는 거.. 알고 있습니다. 모두 한 순간의 유혹을 뿌리치지 못한 저의 잘못입니다. 정말 진심으로 후회하고 있습니다.
At my age, I can't claim it was a moment's mistake and hope for forgiveness... I know that.
It's my fault for not being able to resist the temptation of the moment. I'm regretting it from the bottom of my heart.

지난 7년간 수많은 분들이 저를 응원하고 아껴주신 것 알고 있는데.. 덕분에 겨우 지금까지 올 수 있었는데… 정말 제가 왜 그랬는지.. 제가 정말 어리석었습니다.
I know that for the last 7 years, hundreds of people have been loving me and cheering for me... Thanks to them, I made it (as a progamer) until now.... why did I do this... I was so immature.

제 자신이 용서가 안 되는데, 이런 글 몇자로 여러분의 용서를 바랄 수도 없고, 제 죄를 덜 수도 없다는 걸 알지만… 그래도 진심으로 죄송하단 말씀 드립니다.
I know that it's unforgiveable, that I can't expect to earn your forgiveness through a few letters, that it doesn't make my sin any better... But still. I will tell you how deeply sorry I am.

그 어떤 말로도.. 그간 저를 응원하고 아껴주신 분들께 충분히 사죄할 수 없겠지만…
There are no words through which I could ever apologize enough to the people who've been supporting and loving me all this time. But...

정말. 정말.. 죄송합니다.
Really. I'm really... sorry.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 20 2010 22:58 GMT
#975
Thanks for translating Sawajiri.

Hwasin is still the man.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 20 2010 23:02 GMT
#976
Poor Hwasin

Thanks for translating.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
May 20 2010 23:03 GMT
#977
On May 21 2010 07:02 tomfle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 06:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior


Obviously they are not. Only need to point out one thing: they let Boxer and Savior to relay the 2008 olympic torch, not Nada or Oov.

Btw, Savior refuted to take part, quoting China's poor human rights. At that time I thought he was a good guy, or maybe he really was...

Do tell me you are kidding. NaDa is THE most consistent player of all time, the first winner of the golden mouse, has been on countless TV-shows and have won a variety of tournaments for the last 9 years, one coinciding with the death of his dad. iloveoov could in his prime be compared to the Flash of today. That guy basically invented macro.
In 2008 Saviors achievements were still fresh in memory and people thought he could make a comeback. That does not mean he's been as influental as two of the most important and inspiring progamers in the history of professional Starcraft, nor that he has had more fans or anything like it.
NaDa is probably the most famous and well liked progamer after Boxer, and that says a lot. oov on the other hand is the apprentice that beat his master, which just so happens to be Boxer as well.

Savior will only be remembered as the cheating bastard that had a good run of a little more than two years a few years back.
1000 at least.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 20 2010 23:20 GMT
#978
On May 21 2010 08:03 sushiman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 07:02 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 06:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 21 2010 06:42 tomfle wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:50 Ryo wrote:
On May 21 2010 05:42 dukethegold wrote:
E-sports just got raped, hardcore.

An e-sport icon, a champion, a finalist, and two semi-finalists are involved.


Savior, although bonjwa, has never been regarded as the kind of role model Boxer, Nada or Oov are. BW will survive.


nada or oov is nowhere near savior, in terms of symbolic influence and pool of fans at least. boxer though of course is of his own category.


spoken like someone who got into starcraft in 2007. nada and oov are bigger names than savior


Obviously they are not. Only need to point out one thing: they let Boxer and Savior to relay the 2008 olympic torch, not Nada or Oov.

Btw, Savior refuted to take part, quoting China's poor human rights. At that time I thought he was a good guy, or maybe he really was...


Savior will only be remembered as the cheating bastard that had a good run of a little more than two years a few years back.



I think this is a bit excessive. This isn't like an illegal drug abuse scandal. saviors accomplishments still happened, he was still incredibly dominant. Not that I'm trying to make excuses, of course his name will be forever tainted and in infamy, but it's not as if savior wasn't skilled. He was just a terrible sportsman with no integrity.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
May 20 2010 23:23 GMT
#979
Wait, where's the source of Hwasin's apology?
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 20 2010 23:28 GMT
#980
On May 21 2010 08:23 ndralcasid wrote:
Wait, where's the source of Hwasin's apology?


...1 page back.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2010 05:05 Ryo wrote:
Hwasin has apologised:

2010.05.21 금 03:13

죄 송합니다

죄송합니다.

정말 죄송합니다. e스포츠 관계자분들과 구단분들, 그리고 무엇보다 우리 팀 동료들과 저를 지켜봐주시고 믿어주신 팬 여러분께 진심으로 머리숙여 죄송합니다.

감히 죄송하다는 말씀 드릴 자격도 없지만.. 가만히 있는 것은 더욱 도리가 아닌 것 같아, 이렇게 부끄러운 사죄의 글을 올립니다.

어린 나이도 아니고, 한 순간의 실수였다고 용서를 빌 수 있는 일이 아니라는 거.. 알고 있습니다. 모두 한 순간의 유혹을 뿌리치지 못한 저의 잘못입니다. 정말 진심으로 후회하고 있습니다.

지난 7년간 수많은 분들이 저를 응원하고 아껴주신 것 알고 있는데.. 덕분에 겨우 지금까지 올 수 있었는데… 정말 제가 왜 그랬는지.. 제가 정말 어리석었습니다.

제 자신이 용서가 안 되는데, 이런 글 몇자로 여러분의 용서를 바랄 수도 없고, 제 죄를 덜 수도 없다는 걸 알지만… 그래도 진심으로 죄송하단 말씀 드립니다.

그 어떤 말로도.. 그간 저를 응원하고 아껴주신 분들께 충분히 사죄할 수 없겠지만…

정말. 정말.. 죄송합니다.

http://www.cyworld.com/hwasin0405

-------

My Korean is not fantastic so I'm not translating this in case I get anything wrong. Someone fluent in Korean, pls translate, thanks.

Edit:
He posted this in his diary, not his sidebar, so he opened it to replies from Korean fans. Several very strong mixed reactions.

I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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