EPTYou basically have to apologise in a situation like this, so all you can really do is not try to make excuses or come with some long poetic apology to make people feel bad for you, which is what type-B did.
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
You basically have to apologise in a situation like this, so all you can really do is not try to make excuses or come with some long poetic apology to make people feel bad for you, which is what type-B did. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:11 KristianJS wrote: I don't think type-B's apology came across as selfish or stupid. I mean it was short and blunt without any attempt at explaining himself and he blatantly said he didn't intend to be forgiven just like that. You basically have to apologise in a situation like this, so all you can really do is not try to make excuses or come with some long poetic apology to make people feel bad for you, which is what type-B did. Yeah, because this is the only way you can apologize without looking like a complete tool. Doesn't change the fact that he's only doing it because he got caught. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:11 KristianJS wrote: I don't think type-B's apology came across as selfish or stupid. I mean it was short and blunt without any attempt at explaining himself and he blatantly said he didn't intend to be forgiven just like that. You basically have to apologise in a situation like this, so all you can really do is not try to make excuses or come with some long poetic apology to make people feel bad for you, which is what type-B did. Wait, so your saying that type-b's apology cam across as "short and blunt" However, then your saying that Type-b made a "long poetic apology to make people feel bad for him" At one point, your saying that he is being short and blunt and another he's being long and poetic?? I don't get...plz explain??? | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:28 Housemd wrote: Wait, so your saying that type-b's apology cam across as "short and blunt" However, then your saying that Type-b made a "long poetic apology to make people feel bad for him" At one point, your saying that he is being short and blunt and another he's being long and poetic?? I don't get...plz explain??? You misunderstood his post. | ||
conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
On May 18 2010 05:27 Rekrul wrote: apologies are the funniest thing man has ever invented people place so much value in them yet they are totally selfish and mean nothing I don't know about that, apologies are a way for people to admit fault, express remorse, and acknowledge to wronged parties that they acted selfishly/stupidly/whatever. On top of that the value people place in an apology has its limits. Perhaps the truly funny thing is how badly people often want apologies from individuals whom they're never going to forgive anyways. Half the time people really only want apologies as concessions. Obviously a lot of the time apologies aren't really meant and are offered (and successfully) as a means of obtaining forgiveness rather than a way of genuinely expressing regret, but that doesn't mean the concept of apologizing is silly. If someone can tell an apology isn't really genuine, often times it's worse than not apologizing at all. In this case, did Type-B really mean his apology? Perhaps not, but I think he did. Some kid working long days for little in the way of riches and glory who didn't know about anything besides Starcraft got coaxed into accepting some money to throw some games. Probably knew it was wrong and felt a bit uneasy about it but figured since no one was getting caught whatever harm he was doing was more than worth the free extra cash he got. Then all hell broke loose, everyone in an outrage, talk of huge consequences and damage and ethical violations with public condemnation and criminal trials facing everyone who got caught. We're talking about a Korean teen whose life experience consists of playing video games all day and whose crisis management skills consist of rebuilding key tech buildings at expos and whoring sunken colonies. Probably scared him shitless and I'm sure the old Korean shame factor kicked in once it went from a shady under the table deal to the greatest moral outrage in the history of eSports. Does it really matter? No. He still did what he did and no matter how sorry or not he really is, he'll never play professionally again, not to mention carry this stigma for a long time. | ||
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Sky.Technique
United States271 Posts
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
oh...i get now, type-b didn't make a long and poetic apology, my bad....  | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:26 Rekrul wrote: Yeah, because this is the only way you can apologize without looking like a complete tool. Doesn't change the fact that he's only doing it because he got caught. Unfortunately not... | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:05 Housemd wrote: I don't that you get it: 1. Player A has a match vs. Horang2 2. Player A is approached with the opportunity to make some cash 3. Player A bets against himself 4. The day of the match approaches 5. Player A purposely makes mistakes that he would not make 6. Player A loses 7. Player A wins money That's how i think it goes. You don't that I get it when that's how you think it goes? (lol that was fun to say) Anyways, no that's not how it goes. The players aren't just betting on themselves, other people are in on it and making profits off of it. I think I get it just fine. The thing that bothers me the most, is you're uncertain about you're own understanding, but you still have the nerve to question mine. Like... wtf? | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
While much more casual than a lot of people, I understand the rage. It's the same with any sport. It's about betrayal. You cheer for people, and curse when they lose, and jump up when they win. It doesn't matter whether or not you've never met them, those emotions are real. In some ways, its worse in this case; Esports is an endeavor in its infancy and threats against it's integrity strike at the heart for people who love the game. Yes, people are being vitriolic to the point of absurdity, but this has nothing to do with logic. No one really wants to strangle these players, obviously. The rawness of these words reflect more than anger: they reflect hurt. And it is hurtful. Yes, in a sense this is the validation of Esports as real sport and yes, Esports will survive. But a match fixing scandal in any sport where sponsors, teammates and fans are counting on the players (who are not there by force) to do their best and nothing more and nothing less will never be cause for celebration. Well, that's my first post. I wish it could have been a happier one. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:41 number1gog wrote: You don't that I get it when that's how you think it goes? (lol that was fun to say) Anyways, no that's not how it goes. The players aren't just betting on themselves, other people are in on it and making profits off of it. I think I get it just fine. The thing that bothers me the most, is you're uncertain about you're own understanding, but you still have the nerve to question mine. Like... wtf? Well....i was 95% sure that this is how it goes and im going to go with those odds most of the time ^^. Also, the response was intended for QiblingZero ^^ I get that people are going to bet on the sports as well...(heck that goes on in most sports) but the thing that i thought that i though the poster would not get is the players are betting on themselves as well. I guess he understands it and i prob just clarified it for no reason or something^^ | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 18 2010 06:41 number1gog wrote: [QUOTE]On May 18 2010 06:05 Housemd wrote: [QUOTE]On May 18 2010 06:01 number1gog wrote: [QUOTE]On May 18 2010 05:54 QibingZero wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever understand how you could make money having players like type-b and justin throw games. Consistent starleague players like Hwasin definitely, but who in the hell is betting on these guys to win at anything resembling even odds in the first place?[/QUOTE] Type-b was absolutely on fire in the Bacchus OSL. I mean he beat Leta! And then, irony or all ironies, he lost to Yarnc in the next round. lol.[/QUOTE] I don't that you get it: 1. Player A has a match vs. Horang2 2. Player A is approached with the opportunity to make some cash 3. Player A bets against himself 4. The day of the match approaches 5. Player A purposely makes mistakes that he would not make 6. Player A loses 7. Player A wins money That's how i think it goes.[/QUOTE] You don't that I get it when that's how you think it goes? (lol that was fun to say) Anyways, no that's not how it goes. The players aren't just betting on themselves, other people are in on it and making profits off of it. I think I get it just fine. The thing that bothers me the most, is you're uncertain about you're own understanding, but you still have the nerve to question mine. Like... wtf?[/QUOTE] Well....i was 95% sure that this is how it goes and im going to go with those odds most of the time ^^. And where did you get the notion that i was uncertain? I said that "i think" which means that i was stating my opinion, not being uncertain Also, the response was intended for QiblingZero ^^ I get that people are going to bet on the sports as well...(heck that goes on in most sports) but the thing that i thought that i though the poster would not get is the players are betting on themselves as well. I guess he understands it and i prob just clarified it for no reason or something^^ | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
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ArKaDo
France121 Posts
On May 18 2010 05:27 Rekrul wrote: apologies are the funniest thing man has ever invented people place so much value in them yet they are totally selfish and mean nothing I think apologies are really important. Well maybe not that way. I've read some sociology books where some guys try to explain what is important about apologies as a ritual, the way you do it, how you do it. Some guy even link apologies and respect directly to socialism, yeah yeah really (well i'm saying some guy, but in fact i'm talking about marcel mauss and pierre bourdieu there, for the one who knows them). The problem is, in this thing, type-b didn't hurt anyone except his reputation. The guy is over, with or without apologies. It would have been way more interesting for him to take responsability and justify his acts like a real baller. That would have create the real debate about progamer' life conditions and everything. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On May 18 2010 07:06 ArKaDo wrote: I think apologies are really important. Well maybe not that way. I've read some sociology books where some guys try to explain what is important about apologies as a ritual, the way you do it, how you do it. Some guy even link apologies and respect directly to socialism, yeah yeah really (well i'm saying some guy, but in fact i'm talking about marcel mauss and pierre bourdieu there, for the one who knows them). The problem is, in this thing, type-b didn't hurt anyone except his reputation. The guy is over, with or without apologies. It would have been way more interesting for him to take responsability and justify his acts like a real baller. That would have create the real debate about progamer' life conditions and everything. What Rekrul said is debatable. Think of it this way: You get into a fight with your mother, knowing what you did was totally wrong. You come to apologize, however if you do it again, the apologize really did not mean anything. However, if you manage to not fight about the same thing, your apology can be considered unselfish and people can see that you have put some thought and value into what you think you have done wrong. So, Rekrul can be right at some points and wrong at others. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
Savior, I loved you once, but now I absolutely loathe you. And just because you were undeniably Bonjwa doesn't save you from anything; in fact, that makes it worse for you and for ESPORTS. You were a figure everyone looked up to and respected. So disappointed. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On May 18 2010 06:05 Housemd wrote: I don't that you get it: 1. Player A has a match vs. Horang2 2. Player A is approached with the opportunity to make some cash 3. Player A bets against himself 4. The day of the match approaches 5. Player A purposely makes mistakes that he would not make 6. Player A loses 7. Player A wins money That's how i think it goes. Yeah pretty much, not to mention all the people involved knowing he's going to lose making money on several different bookies, websites, you name it. He could even sell the information on when he's going to lose to shady betters to make more money. It's just endless opportunity!.. I mean.. very bad very bad. | ||
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