• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:53
CET 19:53
KST 03:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC28[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Greetings.. Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery Recommended BW Settings for Mouse and Video Starcraft:Brood War Discord Servers [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away.
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc Nintendo Switch Thread List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Can Game Data Analytics Help Players Improvements
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
VCT 2027 America Kickoff LAT…
anakin.
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11591 users

PokerStrategy.com TSL - Page 23

Forum Index > News
473 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 Next All
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
November 10 2009 14:12 GMT
#441
On November 10 2009 17:12 Holgerius wrote:
I've seen Nongmin's stream, and his early game spamming is so bad. I was not impressed at all. Based on that, he wouldn't stand a chance against Idra or Ret.

lol troll
nicoaldo
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina939 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 14:13:38
November 10 2009 14:13 GMT
#442
On November 10 2009 17:12 Holgerius wrote:
I've seen Nongmin's stream, and his early game spamming is so bad. I was not impressed at all. Based on that, he wouldn't stand a chance against Idra or Ret.



Your basing your assumption in "early game spamming" ... just LOL
I´ve seen him playing and the guy is skilled as hell, awesome mechanincs. And he´s been in the A rank more than idra and ret have... not saying that he will beat any foreigner 100%, but don´t underestimate him because u're not impressed by his "early game spamming".. LOL again

yeah.. i just got trolled
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
November 10 2009 21:08 GMT
#443
On November 10 2009 14:53 oBlade wrote:
How is the ladder going to start Nov 21 and go to Dec 13 when the iCCup season ends Dec 1 ?


They're figuring it out. It's not for you to worry about.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 10 2009 21:46 GMT
#444
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_season.html
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6680 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 22:10:42
November 10 2009 22:07 GMT
#445
Thanks for fixing that.

On November 11 2009 06:08 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 14:53 oBlade wrote:
How is the ladder going to start Nov 21 and go to Dec 13 when the iCCup season ends Dec 1 ?


They're figuring it out. It's not for you to worry about.


I was just curious (because iCCup still had the season ending on the 1st, and I didn't know whether they would prolong that for the TSL, so it looked like something could have slipped through the cracks). Transparency isn't a bad thing, after all.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 23:25:27
November 10 2009 23:21 GMT
#446
nongmin has A rank and blah blah...but I don't think he will come close to winning this if he can play, and I also don't think he is really anywhere near the same skill as, say, idra. That's my opinion, but I'd still love to see him play as well, to see how it goes.

My impression of people who think nongmin is a god is that they are all noobs. The few times I watched his livestream it was just irritating to see the ingratiating cocksucking from all the people who had no idea what was going on. He played one game vs Jianfei on ICC that I watched live and everyone in the channel was just ranting about how nongmin was raping JF and blah blah and wow he's so good, then suddenly JF busted out a bunch of sairs and dt into a huge 200/200 army and rolled nongmin's 5 base ultraling eco in one push. This was extremely obvious, it was clear it was going to happen, yet every single person in teh channel was just jizzing all over themselves at nongmin's insane skillz and how he had 4 mining bases to JF's 2 mining bases. What JF was doing seemed pretty clear to me and I was just an observer. The game was just pure standard zvp, yet apparently when it's shown from FPV instead of regular obs view like in a progame people just lose their shit hardcore, or have no idea what the hell is happening. Or something. Or maybe there were just 150 D+ players in there, which is probably most accurate.

Not saying he's not good. Obviously he's really good. Way better than me. But I think that he is kind of overhyped and that he isn't going to just tear through all the foreign players like some people think.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
CryingCow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada149 Posts
November 10 2009 23:31 GMT
#447
:O Whats this?!
[image loading]

Hi! :)
Cu(oCo)
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Italy358 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 23:34:04
November 10 2009 23:33 GMT
#448
lolol looks pretty mafia
Goons? just vulture toys 휴.휴
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 10 2009 23:57 GMT
#449
On November 11 2009 08:21 Ganfei wrote:
nongmin has A rank and blah blah...but I don't think he will come close to winning this if he can play


As far as i know there is not a single foreigner in the A ranks with a 72% winratio without having dodged half of the ladder, i'd say his chances are more than good. Now obviously he's losing games once in a while, but he usually comes out ahead of the foreigners he has played, like draco for example where he's like 4-1 or something vs him.

Saying that he won't even get close to winning is just as ridiculous as the rabid nongmin fanboys saying he's gonna mdk the entire tournament.
We make signature, then defense it.
Makin
Profile Joined July 2009
Chile36 Posts
November 11 2009 00:46 GMT
#450
why nongmin can play?, I thought it was a foreign tournament.
sAviOr,Bisu;NaDa fan
nicoaldo
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina939 Posts
November 11 2009 01:08 GMT
#451
He lives in the US i think
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
November 11 2009 02:30 GMT
#452
FT.aCt)LOve was allowed to play last time right ? Isn't he a korean living in the USA ?
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
November 11 2009 03:03 GMT
#453
i am thoroughly excited for TSL2. i remember the excitement during the ladder stage of the first TSL, especially during the last few days when ranks were still shifting up and down
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
November 11 2009 03:43 GMT
#454
On November 11 2009 07:07 oBlade wrote:
Thanks for fixing that.

Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 06:08 Durak wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:53 oBlade wrote:
How is the ladder going to start Nov 21 and go to Dec 13 when the iCCup season ends Dec 1 ?


They're figuring it out. It's not for you to worry about.


I was just curious (because iCCup still had the season ending on the 1st, and I didn't know whether they would prolong that for the TSL, so it looked like something could have slipped through the cracks). Transparency isn't a bad thing, after all.


It had been posted at least 5 times in this thread and acknowledged. I was sick of seeing it repeated as if the admins didn't know about. I'm glad Hot_Bid cleared that up.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 11 2009 05:20 GMT
#455
nongmin is in college in like virginia or something
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
foodontable
Profile Joined June 2006
China341 Posts
November 11 2009 09:41 GMT
#456
On November 11 2009 08:57 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 08:21 Ganfei wrote:
nongmin has A rank and blah blah...but I don't think he will come close to winning this if he can play


As far as i know there is not a single foreigner in the A ranks with a 72% winratio without having dodged half of the ladder, i'd say his chances are more than good. Now obviously he's losing games once in a while, but he usually comes out ahead of the foreigners he has played, like draco for example where he's like 4-1 or something vs him.

Saying that he won't even get close to winning is just as ridiculous as the rabid nongmin fanboys saying he's gonna mdk the entire tournament.



This...

Because there are a bunch of foreigners that are A ranked... >.> genius.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-11 11:48:18
November 11 2009 11:47 GMT
#457
On November 11 2009 11:30 JoMal wrote:
FT.aCt)LOve was allowed to play last time right ? Isn't he a korean living in the USA ?


Someone said this was VirginTerran aka Assem.

And nongmin is going to rape face if he plays in this. If he'll lose it will probably be a ZvZ, or him TvZing vs ret or SEn or some very good ZvTer. He has crazy mechanics, but he does make some strange decicions in some of his games ( his 5hatch before pool anyone? ) Whether or not that is due to boredom, or not I dont know.

Also nongmin doesnt dodge good koreans ICCUP, and still maintains the best winning ratio against A- and better players, among foreigners



Btw we should show our appreciation for Korn[pG] in the youtube video of him commentating Blackman vs Boxer from WCG 2002. He's been flamed so much there, yet I think the commentating was really entertaining, despite some of his wrong assumptions(the crowd, commentators etc)

TSL2 fighting! Looking really forward to this. Big thank you to everyone involved.
+ Show Spoiler +
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
November 11 2009 20:47 GMT
#458
On November 11 2009 20:47 Guybrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 11:30 JoMal wrote:
FT.aCt)LOve was allowed to play last time right ? Isn't he a korean living in the USA ?


Someone said this was VirginTerran aka Assem.

And nongmin is going to rape face if he plays in this. If he'll lose it will probably be a ZvZ, or him TvZing vs ret or SEn or some very good ZvTer. He has crazy mechanics, but he does make some strange decicions in some of his games ( his 5hatch before pool anyone? ) Whether or not that is due to boredom, or not I dont know.

Also nongmin doesnt dodge good koreans ICCUP, and still maintains the best winning ratio against A- and better players, among foreigners



Btw we should show our appreciation for Korn[pG] in the youtube video of him commentating Blackman vs Boxer from WCG 2002. He's been flamed so much there, yet I think the commentating was really entertaining, despite some of his wrong assumptions(the crowd, commentators etc)

TSL2 fighting! Looking really forward to this. Big thank you to everyone involved.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNi_vPFYjfQ

Huh? If there was one matchup that he would win vs foreigners then it's definitely zvz.

That's one matchup that has definitely lagged behind among foreigners. (along with TvT)
Moderator。◕‿◕。
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29906 Posts
November 11 2009 21:10 GMT
#459
Draco won with nongminzerg, so what's the deal? This guy is good but do not overrate him so much :\
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
November 11 2009 21:49 GMT
#460
draco won 1 game of 4 games they played...
and how many other foreigners are A rank? a bunch? yeah, i don't think even 10 are A rank (excluding chinese players), and how many have 72% win rates? zero i'm guessing.
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
02:00
Replay Cast Not-Summer Invite
TaKeTV 340
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 335
BRAT_OK 54
MindelVK 17
EmSc Tv 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3233
Rain 1344
Mini 330
Dewaltoss 104
HiyA 88
ggaemo 59
Yoon 59
Hyun 58
Pusan 56
hero 47
[ Show more ]
sorry 18
yabsab 11
Shine 10
Dota 2
Gorgc6899
qojqva2191
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2663
gobbtv229
zeus211
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby2000
Liquid`Hasu240
Trikslyr129
Other Games
singsing1702
Beastyqt702
XaKoH 155
ArmadaUGS96
QueenE90
C9.Mang074
Chillindude18
Railgan7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1186
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
EmSc Tv 1
EmSc2Tv 1
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 46
• Hinosc 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix12
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV463
League of Legends
• TFBlade860
Other Games
• imaqtpie691
• Shiphtur589
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 38m
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
15h 8m
WardiTV Invitational
17h 8m
ByuN vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Solar
Clem vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Lambo vs TBD
Rogue vs TBD
IPSL
22h 8m
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
1d 1h
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 17h
IPSL
1d 22h
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
2 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
SOOP
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-12
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.