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This is a response I wrote to Ketomai`s original thread, which was now closed. As such, I am posting the reply here.
I am probably going to sound like a jackass for saying this, but....while I personally am indifferent towards whether Nongmin should participate or not, I can understand why the TL staff made the decision not to allow him into TSL2.
Ketomai, you dismiss Nongmin`s skill level as something trivial. Yet, it is a generally accepted fact that (in most cases) Korean players are a level above their foreign counterparts (for example if a Korean player is C level on ICCup, then a foreigner would have to be B in order to match him). Considering this and the fact that Nongmin is A on iCCup, that alone already makes him superior then the majority of top foreigners. Also, while the fact that Korean players can live off of playing StarCraft certainly contributes to the gap, the fact that SC has a greater mass appeal in Korea then anywhere else (in spite of it`s mainstream fame, SC has more of a niché appeal outside of Korea itself) is the primary reason why Korean players generally fair better then their foreign counterparts.
True, it is not his fault that he is Korean. However, neither is the fault of the Chinese that their goverment wants to control internet traffic, nor is the fault of the other foreigners that they were not born and raised in a society that lives and breaths StarCraft. Yet, TL staff still needs to take these issues into account when organising such an important event, especially since the prize pool makes this the most prestigious foreigner event yet.
No matter what way you slice it, Nongmin is not a foreigner and TSL2 is intended to be a foreigner event. If he was allowed exception, how would that be fair to some of the other Koreans who have contributed to TL like Sea[Shield] and members of eSTRO? And if even they were allowed, then TSL would quickly become what the SC tournament in the WCG Grand Finals is...a competition to see which Korean player would take the gold this time.
Again, I personally am indifferent to whether or not Nongmin gets to participate in TSL2. However, you are trying to imply that this is a simple problem with an easy solution. But it is neither simple nor easy and the TL staff has (at least for now) simply decided on the more safer option.
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If you read the original post, skill level has nothing to do with it (and I did not dismiss it at all, in fact I heralded his A level gameplay as "rare"). It's the fact that they have chance in their environment (Korea) with sponsors, competitions, and the like that we are banning koreans. We don't ban koreans because they are good, we ban them because of WHY they're good. Nongmin does not benefit as a "korean" living in America. I feel like a broken record repeating the same thing.
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On November 10 2009 17:12 Holgerius wrote:
I've seen Nongmin's stream, and his early game spamming is so bad. I was not impressed at all. Based on that, he wouldn't stand a chance against Idra or Ret.
Obviously you've never seen his late game.
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Kennigit
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Please don't discuss the nongmin issue in this thread.
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On November 12 2009 09:49 Kennigit wrote:
Please don't discuss the nongmin issue in this thread.
Where can we discuss it then  ?
Haha, seeing as the other thread was closed and such; sorry for another off-topic post though.
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On November 12 2009 09:56 Aresien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 09:49 Kennigit wrote:
Please don't discuss the nongmin issue in this thread. Where can we discuss it then ? Haha, seeing as the other thread was closed and such; sorry for another off-topic post though.
As mentioned in the other thread (which is locked), the staff will make a decision and then release it. Until such a time, it is desired to avoid having lots of idle speculation and inaccurate rumors passed around, not to mention the derailing of other topics.
At such a time as the decision is announced, I suspect you will be able to discuss the decision.
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On November 12 2009 10:07 HnR)Insane wrote:
As mentioned in the other thread (which is locked), the staff will make a decision and then release it. Until such a time, it is desired to avoid having lots of idle speculation and inaccurate rumors passed around, not to mention the derailing of other topics.
At such a time as the decision is announced, I suspect you will be able to discuss the decision.
Cheers for the answer Insane 
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Vatican City State491 Posts
Wow the prizes are insane :O
Thanks pokerstrategy.com!
I hope all replays will be published
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what team should i join and what account should i use to ladder?
can i use my main account or do i have to make an asl-morrow account?
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I think that info should be coming out soon. It is already Nov. 15th Korean time so I'm hoping they release the map pool sometime soon.
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On November 15 2009 10:13 Jonoman92 wrote:
I think that info should be coming out soon. It is already Nov. 15th Korean time so I'm hoping they release the map pool sometime soon.
agreed. Maybe they're waiting for it to cross over on the wast coast.
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Im guessing no Koreans/Chinese players this time aswell?
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Excellent! Thanks PokerStrategy.com!!
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