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A Day at Blizzard: Fansite Community Summit 09

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A Day at Blizzard: Fansite Community Summit 09

Text byKennigit
August 26th, 2009 03:59 GMT
Blizzard Fansite Community Summit 09


Every year, Blizzard invites members of the Starcraft, Warcraft, and Diablo community sites to it's Irvine headquarters for a special pre-Blizzcon event called the Fansite Community Summit. This year I had the chance to represent Teamliquid, and really had my eyes opened to one of the grayest areas of discussion on this forum...what actually goes on at Blizzard Entertainment.

At 9:30 on Thursday. I met downstairs with a slew of other NWEs (Nerds with Egos) and was handed an NDA by Bashiok, the Diablo 3 community manager. Many familiar sites were present including Starcraft:Legacy, Gosugamers, PGR21, Broodwar.de and after a short wait we all jumped on the bus and headed off to Blizzard HQ.

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hubba hubba



Theatre Event
We were shown a sneak peak of Diablo 3 which would be shown on the floor the next day – of course we weren't allowed to talk about it but apparently it managed to sneak it's way onto the internet anyways...Bashiok did a quick play through one of levels to be shown at Blizzcon and even for a relatively casual Diablo fan it looks like it's shaping up to be a really good game. We finished up, and I realized that the person sitting next to me was an admin from PGR21 – Sam. If you aren't aware of this Korean esports site, PGR21 is regarded as the highest quality korean progaming forum – members are required to wait 2 months after registration before they can even post (...and you kids think we are hardcore) replies let alone make threads. After sharing some progaming tales and agreeing to meet up later for dinner, we all headed off for the real meat of our visit – a tour of the Development Area.


Starcraft 2 Development Area
Sorry – no cameras allowed. The team is broken into Artists, Designers and Programmers all of whom have their own separate work areas/lounges but have a common room where they can congregate and create magic/wizardry. We first made our way through the Artist area which featured a sea of models, manga posters, toys, and concept art. We were able to see some of stuff the artists were working on – one asked if any of us were from mmo-champion.com because “if you need to use the bathroom I know where you can take a leak” - I laughed, not sure if anyone else got the joke. On an unrelated note I saw that Sam Diddier had a parking violation notice stuck on his office door. I love the idea that you can head a metal band, direct art on of the most hyped games of the last two years but still not be immune to parking tickets – fantastic.

The Programmers. As colorful and inspiring as the artist area was, the programmers were a complete juxtaposition – blank walls, clean tidy surfaces and white boards with some coding scribbles. A few coders were quietly typing away but the whole area was much more quiet and stoic than its neighboring designer/artist offices (i guess it needs to be that way to harbor clean coding practices...).

In the Designer area we saw David Kim in his office and when I called him “Oh SC2 Bonjwa” he laughed but insisted on being very humble about his #1 position...i felt he should have flexed or bragged about destroying everyone at Blizzard since 2009 – humble shmumble. Karune tried to take us the the Diablo 3 development area, but as was to be expected, it was a minefield of PR nightmares/leaks waiting to happen – off to lunch we went!


Developer Lunch
Lunch was where my whole notion of Blizzard's developers really changed. I think a lot of people in this community have this idea that because we aren't communicated with directly by developers on the SC2 team that they a) don't read the forums b) Are too busy to keep up to date with community feedback – both of these are false.

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Tony (Producer on Starcraft 2), Rich (Level Designer on Starcraft 2)


Tony and Rich were nothing but class – seriously, just two cool guys who clearly love the jobs they've been blessed with. We spent about half an hour talking about everything from “terrible terrible damage” (an out of control joke that infects every discussion/meeting..they love the youtube montages) to the LAN issue, to development in general.

Tony described his job as one that changes on a daily basis. Typically he is required to meet with Dustin and other team leaders /members to ensure that deadlines are being met and that schedules are coordinated accurately between each part of the development team. Rich who is a map designer works on both single player and multiplayer maps. I asked him how much influence he takes from Proleague maps and he noted that a lot of the internal maps he and other map designers work on have their roots in professional Korean maps. He also mentioned that he had seen the thread a couple days earlier about having lava rise in multiplayer maps – they are listening kiddies. He thought it was a great idea and wanted to explore it more – one of the biggest points he pressed home to me was that he wants a lot of feedback on what we think of maps especially when we hit beta.

We touched on the LAN issue briefly but as was to be expected they couldn't be too direct ...they are discussing options etc but they both mentioned that one of the defining reasons for the old gas mechanic being removed was the response from the community – keep that in mind in the future when posting your bleeding heart tirades about the horror that is Starcraft 2 macro (the new mechanics are awesome). Rich is a big fan of GOMTV and Tony recounted his trip to Korea for the Starcraft 2 announcement as being “eye opening” when he saw the reaction of korean fans to the big reveal.

We always see smiling faces in interviews with Blizzard employees but I asked them how much stress they feel and if the magnitude of this project had ever lead them to think “...woah”. Tony said that “well, we are basically creating the sequel to Korea's national sport...” but when you are surrounded with a team of people as passionate about what they do as Blizzard's employees are, the negative effects of stress aren't as big factor as one might imagine.

David Kim

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"Quiet, i'm thinking about timings"
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"Let me throw some knowledge at you nerds"



What a guy. I've spent years listening to top Broodwar players lecture each other on timings but listening to the guy who's job it is to create those timings was a leap in thinking. David "The SC2 Bonjwa" Kim a game balancer for Starcraft 2. He plays the game, tweaks everything from build times to unit stats and releases a new internal build of the game up to 5 times per day. We talked briefly about some of the concerns people had had previously with the surround AI and the muta stacking. Muta stacking is doable but not in the same fashion it was for Broodwar, you can spam click your group of mutas and they will group but not to the degree of the game's predecessor. Honestly though, after 2 days of playing around with the new Zerg tech tree I don't see this to be an issue – there will be more discussion about that in our Gameplay writeup once we finish it.

David noted our concerns about the surround AI especially with early game harass (1 zealot/probe for example). He said that the team don't really see it as an issue because Starcraft 2 is much more about unit position (you can hold a zealot between certain mineral patches and not be surrounded) and that he is just as effective as he was in Broodwar. "Once you get the hang of how it plays, it's fine".

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After lunch we headed back to the theatre where Karune and Rob Simpson (The Real Voice of Esports) casted a match for us. Can't talk about it – it was amazing.
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Blizzard gave each attendee a piece of signed art from Peter Wei who is one of Blizzard's concept artists as a gift and shortly after we jumped back on the bus to head back to our hotel and rest up (get drunk) before Blizzcon the next day.
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Overall it was a humbling and eye opening experience. The guys at Blizzard who I met are as smart and enlightened as the general reputation would have you believe. More importantly however, they are down to earth and open to everyone's opinion (including the community), and I was left with the impression that these are just some really hard working guys who have been blessed with the chance to develop some of the best games in the world. Starcraft 2 is in very capable hands and I can't wait to have another taste of the Starcraft 2 pie once beta hits.
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(July 17th 2009 yo)


I want to say a big thank you to the developers who came to talk with us and let us tromp through their offices and to Karune and the rest of the community team who work way harder than I usually give them credit for. They continue to plan great events like this and keep us in the know.


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In a few days we will be releasing our report on Blizzcon as a whole and following that a report on the state of multiplayer game play in the Blizzcon build of Starcraft 2.

Stay tuned!

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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
August 26 2009 04:50 GMT
#2
Cool writeup. I like the reserved for Starcraft sign on the lunch table.
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
August 26 2009 04:51 GMT
#3
great write up. I skimmed most, but enjoyed reading about david kim and the effort he puts in.
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
August 26 2009 04:51 GMT
#4
Nice writeup, kinda worried about Kim's views on auto surround after hearing all the complaints about it but there's alot of time to think it over =)
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4338 Posts
August 26 2009 04:53 GMT
#5
Nice Article. I love SC2. ^^
So wait? I'm bad? =(
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
August 26 2009 04:53 GMT
#6
this was a nice read, cant wait to hear about the gameplay
Dwell
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-26 04:55:33
August 26 2009 04:55 GMT
#7
I wonder if the Blizz team (including DKim) will be playing in the beta ladder?
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
August 26 2009 04:59 GMT
#8
Nice, was eagerly awaiting the inevitable TL report on the state of Blizz-con, was getting anxious.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5456 Posts
August 26 2009 05:02 GMT
#9
Oh very nice. When you said you couldn't talk about the casted game, did you mean you would in the next article? I hope so!
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
August 26 2009 05:02 GMT
#10
Cool stuff!
aers *
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1210 Posts
August 26 2009 05:04 GMT
#11
On August 26 2009 14:02 SoleSteeler wrote:
Oh very nice. When you said you couldn't talk about the casted game, did you mean you would in the next article? I hope so!


Probably means its under the NDA.
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
August 26 2009 05:04 GMT
#12
its already august and still no sc2 beta =[
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United States3001 Posts
August 26 2009 05:08 GMT
#13
Thanks. :D
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 26 2009 05:11 GMT
#14
Awesome write up man.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
August 26 2009 05:11 GMT
#15
very cool

although it's really too bad that july 17th didn't end up working out
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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
August 26 2009 05:16 GMT
#16
Great write up kennigit. Being the game balancer must be ridiculously difficult though :S poor sc2bonjwa
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
August 26 2009 05:17 GMT
#17
On August 26 2009 14:04 aers wrote:
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On August 26 2009 14:02 SoleSteeler wrote:
Oh very nice. When you said you couldn't talk about the casted game, did you mean you would in the next article? I hope so!


Probably means its under the NDA.


It's probably the next battle report. Word at Blizzcon was that BR4 was coming soon.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
General Nuke Em
Profile Joined March 2008
United States680 Posts
August 26 2009 05:18 GMT
#18
David noted our concerns about the surround AI especially with early game harass (1 zealot/probe for example). He said that the team don't really see it as an issue because Starcraft 2 is much more about unit position (you can hold a zealot between certain mineral patches and not be surrounded) and that he is just as effective as he was in Broodwar. "Once you get the hang of how it plays, it's fine".

What's that supposed to mean? You're supposed to micro your guys into position so the AI can do its stuff as opposed to try to micro your guys to do things in spite of a terrible AI (dragoons I'm looking at you)?
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
August 26 2009 05:21 GMT
#19
Haha wonderful article. Gotta love David Kim and the general impression your writing creates of these developers. Think that's a huge relief for a lot of people on nerd-boards like this, knowing the people at the steering wheel are down to earth and pay attention to the community.

Great job mr K!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
August 26 2009 05:22 GMT
#20
David Kim Deserves a personal interview and MOUR pictures!
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