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Vatican City State15 Posts
Yea talking behind the scenes is no fun, we all got to be more active. layoffrage that was an excellent clue post there. I really like the SatouxKisei link. Makes a lot of sense. We need more of it. The military man/SatouxKisei fits well but the others are a lil tenuous. Wizards does seem like a red herring, but we might need another day to understand the sand man figure. It'd be super cool to hear some other opinions on this stuff though. Everyone start talking!
You listed sandman twice by the way  So only 4/6 mafia members have been shown ?
One thing I noticed was that the clues said Sacrifice was intelligent and impressed the mafia. Does this mean he was a good player? Or that he was a powerful role? We might've lost a dt guys 
Right now I think we can trust the dt and lynch poweroverwhelming. He's not exactly convincing either. Who is he anyway? Why would someone cover him rather than keeping a mafia member safe? We need everyone to post good clue analysis to find people to rolecheck, not sit on their high horse touting how awesome they are.
But yeah if poweroverwhelming turns up falsely accused we just kill whoever lied about him being mafia. Seems like a simple way to do it. Im likin how roflsupplecakes thinks.
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Theres a couple reasons I'm wary of the poweroverwhelming lynch.
1. no connection to the "jerk in a hockey puck hat" clue, at least that I can see. I think we can all agree that it is not a red herring?
2. Look at the guys saying they were in the 'mini network' - upeth and MasonBob. Now MasonBob made some good yet ill-formatted posts after a weird reply to Acidic Pirate and we have no idea what could have been said in the PMs. But if I put myself in the shoes of a DT, would I PM those players based on their posts in the thread so far? Doubtful.
You guys are saying "lynch PO, if hes townie side we kill MB." The problem is the worst case scenario here is pretty damn terrible for us and there's two ways for it to happen: PO was covered or is a Miller. Then we have to lynch MB to make sure he isn't a mafia - what are the chances that MB is town aligned as well? We already missed one lynch...
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It might benefit us to just vigi hit him, especially since there was a 2nd person that confirmed the PM sent about PO being mafia.
Posting for the record, of course:
On August 05 2009 09:17 MasonBob wrote:
so my mini network contacts have served me well and i have gotten word from a friendly dt that role checked on poweroverwhelming telling me that he is a red
not happy with the snake fellow leaving but i was also informed he was a bad player so its not a huge loss to our cause
On August 05 2009 09:24 upeth wrote:
I'm also part of the mini network and got the same pm. Overwhelming is red.
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*There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check.
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I'm just going to come out and say it: this game was too easy.
We got 4 out of 6 pretty much nailed.
1. PowerOverwhelming
2. Bratia_Karamazovy - they decided to make Matt the GF
3. Azura
4. DreamFlower who we believe to be mOceaNu
Perhaps you should just concede now, or do you want to prolong the inevitable?
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You're too confident for your own good. I'm town :\
Bratia and moceanu have been on my small list of suspects this game as well - for some contentless posts and the best[alive] vote, respectively.
PowerOverwhelming I don't know - his defense was rather thin, but the circumstances behind the rolecheck/dt claim strike me as very odd. I think the possibility of him being covered/miller is also being foolishly under-discussed. What do we do if that happens? We pretty uch have to kill masonbob and maybe upeth, and if that turns up dry where do we go from there? I'll at least vote for double lynch, we need to get that shit rolling and town needs to be voting for it.
Also if I were mod I'd have you offed for blatant disregard of the OP even after players asked you to stop ^_^
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On August 06 2009 21:38 mOceaNu wrote:
*There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check.
No, we would have to kill them. if they are mafia "holding off" kinda loses the game for us
with that in mind however, I would say only 1 of them is mafia at most. There's be no good reason (that I can think of right now) for 2 mafia to poke their heads out and draw attention to a rolecheck situation where they could both be implicated.
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On August 06 2009 22:47 Azura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 21:38 mOceaNu wrote:
*There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check. No, we would have to kill them. if they are mafia "holding off" kinda loses the game for us with that in mind however, I would say only 1 of them is mafia at most. There's be no good reason (that I can think of right now) for 2 mafia to poke their heads out and draw attention to a rolecheck situation where they could both be implicated.
Well if that's the case wouldn't one of them have said that they were unsure as to how the other got that information? Of course mafia probably infiltrated this group so there's always that option.
So with the death of PO:
Do we want to try and vigi hit someone if PO turns green (mason or upeth)?
Who is getting protected tonight regardless of outcome?
Has the other detective come out to anybody yet, what will be the moves tonight?
And who is in these groups? and if they could share some information that would be great since there's a bunch of us still in the dark.
Also are we going to go ahead with the double lynch for tomorrow? I'll throw my vote in there if we have some steady leads.
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this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
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On August 06 2009 22:58 mOceaNu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 22:47 Azura wrote:On August 06 2009 21:38 mOceaNu wrote:
*There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check. No, we would have to kill them. if they are mafia "holding off" kinda loses the game for us with that in mind however, I would say only 1 of them is mafia at most. There's be no good reason (that I can think of right now) for 2 mafia to poke their heads out and draw attention to a rolecheck situation where they could both be implicated. Well if that's the case wouldn't one of them have said that they were unsure as to how the other got that information? Of course mafia probably infiltrated this group so there's always that option.
Given the reliability of town circles in the past I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mafia in it.
So with the death of PO:
Do we want to try and vigi hit someone if PO turns green (mason or upeth)?
Who is getting protected tonight regardless of outcome?
Has the other detective come out to anybody yet, what will be the moves tonight?
And who is in these groups? and if they could share some information that would be great since there's a bunch of us still in the dark.
1. I would think so, yes. If PO flips town I'm sure Mason/Upeth will have something to say about it.
2. I would protect players like LayOffRage, Spoonman, best(maybe)
3. Dunno. If someone is in contact with the other DT I'm sure they will only post about when the time is right.
4. Why would anyone answer that? Posting the names of players in PM networks helps only the town.
Another option is to lynch someone else today and do a clue check on the flag clue to PowerOverwhelming. It is not a good option and we probably shouldn't do it, because of the unreliability of clues.[/QUOTE]
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also I meant to say "4. 4. Why would anyone answer that? Posting the names of players in PM networks helps only the mafia.
and also "tags."
I post bad when I'm in a hurry lol
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Stop trying to hide it. You gave me everything I needed to verify what we have. m just responded too lol.
All it takes is one line.
GJ.
You guys failed miserably. No line of damage control can save you now.
Furthermore, what I did to discover your roles and akas was borderline but it was within the rules.
I got straight to the point in every post. You can sugarcoat it as much as you want, or rage like Ace. I personally don't care.
EDIT: I might host the next game, so you guys don't have to worry about me going for the jugular so quickly.
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well the word of mouth came from a dt through one of our now dead players so im not sure what we can do to get to the dt since it was through a dead person that had the contact
upeth was also a third party to the dt through the dead guy so again not sure what to do so we can get the dts head if he was deceitful
i like that flag analysis clue bit though it doesnt seem like pyrrs style of quotes considering what he did to the newbie game with google clues hope it fans out though as id hate to have been misinformed
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On August 06 2009 23:05 StoneForest wrote:
this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
Well WTF do you want me to do? I'm not an admin so I can't edit or ban or anything and I can't PM Plexa twelve times a day to fix all this shit. I guess I can strike anybody that does it from now on with lightning, is that what you want?
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On August 06 2009 20:57 BarBaPoPPa wrote:
Right now I think we can trust the dt and lynch poweroverwhelming. He's not exactly convincing either. Who is he anyway? Why would someone cover him rather than keeping a mafia member safe?
Forgot to mention earlier that cover only makes town players check as mafia, it doesn't work the other way around.
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On August 07 2009 03:34 MasonBob wrote:
well the word of mouth came from a dt through one of our now dead players so im not sure what we can do to get to the dt since it was through a dead person that had the contact
upeth was also a third party to the dt through the dead guy so again not sure what to do so we can get the dts head if he was deceitful
i like that flag analysis clue bit though it doesnt seem like pyrrs style of quotes considering what he did to the newbie game with google clues hope it fans out though as id hate to have been misinformed
Brilliant. The DT's mouth is dead. Which means the info is obviously mafia defiled. Typical mafia strategy, pass on DT information then kill the mouth. No trace back to the mafia. Anyway, even if that didn't happen, we need to know if the DT told anyone he was going to make that check before it happened. If he did we're screwed because of the high chance he told a mafia who just covered him. And why are we calling for double lynch? Is it just because bEsT says he got 4? Seems like this town will just trust anything anyone says. I could think about it but I dont know if I want to waste my effort on this town.
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On August 07 2009 05:01 glugluk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2009 03:34 MasonBob wrote:
well the word of mouth came from a dt through one of our now dead players so im not sure what we can do to get to the dt since it was through a dead person that had the contact
upeth was also a third party to the dt through the dead guy so again not sure what to do so we can get the dts head if he was deceitful
i like that flag analysis clue bit though it doesnt seem like pyrrs style of quotes considering what he did to the newbie game with google clues hope it fans out though as id hate to have been misinformed Brilliant. The DT's mouth is dead. Which means the info is obviously mafia defiled. Typical mafia strategy, pass on DT information then kill the mouth. No trace back to the mafia. Anyway, even if that didn't happen, we need to know if the DT told anyone he was going to make that check before it happened. If he did we're screwed because of the high chance he told a mafia who just covered him.
I pretty much agree with you here.. Keep in mind it's also possible that one of the dead players was the DT and pretended to pass information indirectly. It could explain why the actual DT has not said anything yet. If PO flips town, should we trust that Mason and upeth were really just 3rd parties and leave them alone? I don't really know yet... The only way of knowing whether the DT told anyone who he was checking is from the DT himself, so if he doesn't say anything we have to act without that knowledge. Still, PowerOverwhelming is one of the 'power players' of past mafia games and the mafia may have covered him simply because of that.
And why are we calling for double lynch? Is it just because bEsT says he got 4? Seems like this town will just trust anything anyone says.
Because the longer we wait for double lynch, the harder it is to pass it as townies die b/c we need 1/2 to vote for it to pass. However, we do only have 2 double lynches. Tomorrow, there will be new clues/deaths, PO may be dead, and this might be enough information to make a double lynch useful. Best made a list of 4 people and said they were all mafia, but without any evidence/argumentation it is not very convincing. Not to mention that I'm on the list and am a townie, so he could have made other mistakes as well.
It really comes down to gambling that we'll have good enough information to lynch right tomorrow, or waiting another day. If we don't use it soon (ie withing 1-2 days) we risk falling behind especially if we miss lynches today or tomorrow.
I could think about it but I dont know if I want to waste my effort on this town.
Yeah, morons like us could never hope to understand the staggering intricacy of your genius veteran plan.
edited tags.
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On August 07 2009 01:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Ace is bad
that is all
only ride my dick one game at a time,thx
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