[GG] Red Army Mafia

On July 30 2009 01:30 Caller wrote:

showtime! is one of my political officers.
double accounting is strictly prohibited by the rules.

On July 30 2009 02:05 Shikyo wrote:
Well... what happens when an NKVD checks an NKVD posing as an Ukrainian? If all NKVDs pose as Ukrainians, how can you ever trust in an Ukrainian rolecheck? Or are you planning on just getting them all killed and hoping that none of them is an NKVD agent? I'm not completely convinced if the gains outweigh the losses.

On July 30 2009 02:27 Shikyo wrote:
Someone might decide to use clue checks instead. And another thing is that if a NKVD checks another NKVD, we have a confirmed townie. I guess I'll wait for some experienced player's input. =P

On July 30 2009 02:40 Ace wrote:
If an KNVD agent poses as a Ukrainian not only do they risk getting killed by a role check from a legit DT, but they also have to hope a Ukrainian checks them. Let's assume this worst case scenario indeed does go right - they get in with a Ukrainian.

That night they send in their hits and the KNVD agent's hit doesn't go through - oh shit? Are you going to say he was a Vet/protted especially if it was a random target? How about the fact that no clues seem to point towards you? So you end up dying and trade yourself for 1 mafia, when if you just did it straight RC wise you'd get a Mafia for free. That idea is just dumb.

It also doesn't matter if DTs could use up all their RCs - they will always be useful because the Ukrainians won't know IF they indeed have used up all their RCs.

On July 30 2009 02:52 Ace wrote:
No, because he could also be RC'd by a legit NKVD. If his defense fails, now the legit NKVD agent is going to be put up to be hanged - o damn we just lost 2 NKVD agents because one guy thought it was smart to pose as a Rebel.

Now we also would have to deal with a situation where if every time someone gets Rolechecked and flips Ukrainian they just say "I'm an NKVD agent, I was just posing as a Rebel". Now what do we do? Wait a day and RC him AGAIN? Sweet, we waste another day and he kills again that night. We've just once again traded 1-1 or even 2-1 for a Rebel. That's not a good idea.

In both scenarios the Red Army comes out fucked. You've been drinking too much Spetnaz Vodka.

On July 30 2009 04:57 Ace wrote:


Yes they do - the hit list. If I were Ukrainian and I RC'd someoen and they came up as a Rebel the first thing I'd ask is who did they kill the previous nights. An NKVD agent has no idea who the Ukrainian knows at that point, so they'd have to lie. A real Rebel of course has nothing to hide and will tell the truth. If it was an NKVD agent asking them they'd tell who they killed anyway because if it goes to shit they themselves can also say they are just an NKVD agent posing as a Rebel - now how do you sort through the liars?

Come on, think of this as if both sides wanted to stay alive for as long as possible. You are literally giving people way too many outs to lie from and that isn't good when the safest plan is just don't pose as a Rebel.

On July 30 2009 11:18 Ace wrote:


Because at night Rebels have to kill. If the Rebels approach each other and say prove it by killing X there isn't enough time to bullshit.

On August 01 2009 03:31 Caller wrote:
I got that message too -_-

On August 01 2009 11:31 Ace wrote:


actually it's a bit more than that. Normally on Day 1 the accusing DT is lynched first so we know which direction to go. However this game is a bit different:

1.) NKVDs can disguise as Rebels.
2.) We've already exhausted the idea that no NKVD should disguise themselves as Rebels

With both 1 and 2 out of the way, this brings about the fact that anyone investigated is really likely to be a Rebel. Even ignoring Clazz's pitiful defense for a while I normally wouldn't have even brought it out into the open but Clazz had another strike against him - this:



This is the list of people that voted for L. I wasn't kidding when I said this list is suspect. Everyone who voted on this list with the exception of L himself painted them self a suspect. L literally ran on NO platform and said so himself. Myself and MountainDew were the only ones who made a real platform, while L and Lucaswoj didn't. It would even be better if any of these people stated a reason for voting L that made some sense but barely anyone did. These were my first suspects of the game along with the people who have been shadowing me. So Clazz got caught on a very suspect list, got RCd and flipped Rebel which we know is damn near accurate right now and is using the Vivi57 defense of lynch me and you'll be mad which we know is shit.

Clazz has 3 strikes against him. It's over.

On August 02 2009 06:21 Ace wrote:
Well that would be a valid concern if I was scum, but since I'm not I have 0 care for their well being. Hell Lucas could be a DT too and I'd still have 0 use for him. After this Kuja rape fest is over, it's between him, ~Opz~, and that Chilean coffee bean clown for the next lynch.