Anyways I'm stuck between snow and rain. Day 1 clues are always weak because they're mostly red herrings so more clues would be nice, but with a KP of 5 and only 30 townies, mafia needs 5 days to win, so it might be a good idea to limit their KP until we can kill some mafia and lower it that way.
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Anyways I'm stuck between snow and rain. Day 1 clues are always weak because they're mostly red herrings so more clues would be nice, but with a KP of 5 and only 30 townies, mafia needs 5 days to win, so it might be a good idea to limit their KP until we can kill some mafia and lower it that way. | ||
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Regardless, I voted for snow. Oh and got my role. | ||
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"The option with the most votes will be announced during the lynching and the weather will change immediately." Vote for fog. I assume lynching for day 1 means the election, so we do fog during the election, since you can't even list check mayor voting lists, and we have them lose some hits for the night. And then tomorrow we change the fog to snow and they can list check. Unless there is no weather for tonight. | ||
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On July 03 2009 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think Snow will actually not be that helpful this early because getting twice as many Day 1 clues is probably not going to be that helpful. We don't know how Plexa is doing clues either... KP is... holy fuck 5! So I guess that means at least 5 clues per day post and Snow probably doubles that? Maybe Snow just adds a constant number or multiplies the clue number by less than 2, who knows... OK nvm, we wouldn't get more Day 1 clues but Day 2 clues so this could be pretty helpful. Not necessarily, since Plexa could do clues where only a few mafia have clues linked to them each day. But I agree, until we know how clues are, if they're tidbits from the mafia's profile/whatever else and expressed through traits such as physical traits, tendency to use a weapon, or what not, or if the tidbits are just shown in the scene. Or if Plexa draws heavily on a theme or if he picks from this and that, we don't know yet. | ||
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List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia. | ||
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On July 04 2009 07:59 HeavOnEarth wrote: + Show Spoiler [BWdero] + ? I don't know who this character is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bolt | ||
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On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game) I'd post more but it seems like there's not much to discuss now? Tbh I only go inactive when I'm mafia lol. I'd clue analyze but it's only day 1. I like to wait until at least day 2 to start looking at it. | ||
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On July 03 2009 21:44 Plexa wrote: "were strung up on lines like a human clothes line." "He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device." "he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck." "You will all pay for what you have done to me”. So so far only two characters have been mentioned, "tall and lanky" and "Mr. Explosive." I THINK that the person who killed Plexa was another person, perhaps a stealthy person (like a ninja, why is there always a ninja). Also, the "strung up on lines like a human clothes line" is VERY strange, what a weird way to phrase an odd scene. And of course, the note. But, being day 1, I can't think much of these except a preliminary outline of how clues will be? | ||
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8/8 Mafia alive. (Current killing power = 5) 1/1 Suicide Bomner alive. 1/1 Godfather alive. so, 6 non-Godfather, non-Bomber mafia. With fog... 6 pledges, 1 non, 1 god => 3/2+1/2+1=3 total hits 5/2/1=>5/4+1+1=13/4=3.25=4 total hits 4/3/1=>1+3/2+1=7/2=3.5=4 total hits 3/4/1=>3/4+2+1=15/4=3.75=4 total hits 2/5/1=>1/2+5/2+1=4 total hits 1/6/1=>1/4+3+1=4.25=5 total hits So not bad for reducing KP by 1. I guess we can always figure out a way to get pledges without the voting list check. | ||
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But it's okay, I understand your position, you don't have any legit suspects so you pick on people who you say will be inactive. And if you actually did any research into me, you'll realize that I almost always vote even if I don't post in the thread, and this is construed as inactive how? Whatever. Non-voters: L inertinept clasic kuja rebirth scamp Looking at the high number of abstains, I'd say it's unlikely that either of the two candidates are mafia. | ||
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Whatever. Once we get mafia down to 4 kp (not due to weather), if the priest role claims publically and all angels protect the priest, and we vote rain every day, mafia will have no way of killing the priest. And, as the ability travels between people, we get more and more confirmed townies. And if mafia decides to role claim priest, the real priest should speak up, but I guess then there will have to be some trust in deciding who the real priest is. | ||
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On July 06 2009 07:48 Lenwe wrote: Quite a lot is revealed about Mr. Julia. He is new to the mafia (a first time player?). He is a safe cracking expert and, I might be mistaken, but I believe there could be something wrong with his body, considering his reaction to getting burned and him passing out when kicking his victim. As all three other members instantly knew what had happened, I think this is a clue as well. The Mr. Julia thing may be a nod towards the pledge-ness of the mafioso member. Or it may be that Mr. Julia is an inept person who burned himself and then couldn't control his rage. | ||
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The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out. Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place. side by side comparisons of the only two people we can pinpoint as the exact same from day 1. Aside from explosions and tall guy, anything else stand out? EDIT: "The two began setting the device" vs "As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted." so they both require some sort of preparation or some sort of planning. Might be insignificant. | ||
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Remember, Plexa goes (probably) from INFO->CLUE and so we need to see what links TO foxglove seeds and not what foxgloves seeds links to. How is Plexa going to go from "The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all" to foxglove? When someone shows me this connection, I'll vote Araav. But for now, it seems that the people who are adamantly trying to get him lynched are very suspicious. Also, clues tend to NOT be many things from a person's profile, but a few select details (from my experience, Plexa may be doing it differently) that are heavily emphasized. Thus the vx70GTOJudgexv is very weak, imo, because why would he be connected to so many different things? The main points of Mr Julia are probably the noobiness (ineptness->inertinept lol), this weird pulsating thing, and this rage, which, like I said before, may be because of the greenness of the character. All in all, I'd say L's analysis seems the most logical to me. | ||
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Anyways, since Plexa is hosting this game, why don't we look at this (from Mafia 2): On April 10 2008 21:26 Plexa wrote: this is the pivotal time in this mafia game - there is an abundance of clues and i encourage every single active member to look for the traits i post up. Seeing as i am now a principle Mafia target everyone needs to know how to analyse these clues - beacuse MAFIA CAN'T BULLSHIT THEIR WAY OUT OF A CLUE. Hence i present to you; <font size='4'>How to catch Mafia 101</font> By Plexa When pinning mafia to clues there a number of factors one must consider; <img src='http://teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/amb_rules/1.png' align='left'> Clues take a single point from a player and extrapolate it out into a thematic idea. Example one; d.arkive had his profile picture linking to "DC" and the mysterious device. That single image was extrapolated into a thematic use of electricity and a recurring device. One feature -> Mafia theme Example two; Queasy had no information in his profile at all, thus the only clue could come from his name - Queasy. By definition Queasy means feeling sick. This definition was extrapolated into a thematic "sickly appearance" of sidewinder. One feature -> Mafia theme Example three; Links aren't always clearcut, Quesidilla from Mafia 1 had a in his profile picture a sign saying "Real men proxy". This quote was extrapolated into the thematic strength/close quarters engagements with his character in mafia one - a hard clue but still; One feature -> Mafia theme <img src='http://teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/amb_rules/2.png' align='left'> Players with many connections to a possible clue are not mafia. This overlaps with point one, but it really needs to be emphasized. Example 1; Ghar had many clues pertaining to him (e.g the Mayoral campaign, various clue references) and there was a really strong case for him being mafia. However, as the clues weren't pertaining to a single defining feature of him - he was innocent and we lynched him. Example 2; Shadowdrgn had a number of references/dual meanings of his name and profile which linked nicely to Mr Blonde. However there was simply too stronger connection between the two - and sadly (as we learned) he too turned out to be town. Its important to remember this as it allows many people to be instantly discarded from being Mafia <img src='http://teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/amb_rules/3.png' align='left'> Never mix traits up between mafia Unlike the first game, these clues are pertain to one mafia only. For instance the thematic idea of gazes meeting (before day 4) was linked to two different mafia therefore is NOT a thematic connection to a mafia; merely a coincidence. <img src='http://teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/amb_rules/4.png' align='left'> Mafia codenames have no relevance to the player. The names are derived from various Tarentino movies and hence purely placeholders. This is important when you look at characters like Mr Pink in relation to HeRoS)PiNK and the like who have pink in their name. The connection is purely fictitious therefore avoid it at all times. <hr> Great, now we have a basic understanding of how these clues work, so how do we apply them? There are two methods, i identified Queasy using one, and d.arkive using the other so both are valid methods. <img src='http://teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/amb_rules/1.png' align='left'> Take a player, analyse his profile for possible themes that could arise This is how i caught d.arkive. I saw his profile and checked out his varying bits of information. Keeping in mind a vague idea of Mafia traits (e.g. Taipan Snakes use of "direct current") his picture eventually clicked with me. DC, direct current. Upon investigating the connection further - everything could be extrapolated from the picture; mafia identified <img src='http://teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/amb_rules/2.png' align='left'> Take a mafia role, analyse the traits against various profiles This is how i caught Queasy. Thinking about Sidewinder i knew that there would be a clue linking to sickness. After checking out a number of profiles i came to the conclusion that the most relevant clue to sickness was indeed Queasy - and hence it transpired that he was sidewinder. Both of these methods are suited for particular situations. I'll do an example, analysing two confirmed innocent players - myself and TranceStorm. I will analyse myself using method one, and trancestorm using method two with the mafia Taipan Snake. Plexa Name: No meaning what so ever, no definitions, no abstract meanings no nothing. (origins actually come from the number "Googalplex" taking the plex at the end and adding an A, but anyone who gets that is a freak) Signature: Clues possibly deriving from being a fan of someone, admiration perhaps? Progamer references are unlikely to be clues thus can be disregarded. Also perhaps a clue linking to the blogs - perhaps writing utencils? Profile: Picture is of Plexa standing in from of the Tan Tien Buddha in Hong Kong thus perhaps some religious connection or perhaps a connection to asia Rationalisation Using the absolute clue hypothesis (see Clue analysis 201) clues must pertain to the entire section of the profile. Thus, as the signature has two very different focii a combination of fanboyism and blogging has no connections to any of the mafia profiles. Similarly when analyzing the picture clue we can reject any asian connections as there are far too many clues like that about hence we should focus on finding a religious theme - which is absent from mafia. Hence Plexa is innocent. TranceStorm + Show Spoiler [Taipan Snake] + He quickly ran through the yard towards his car parked out front but The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device Next door French_Toast was grabbing a midnight snack. He was headed to his computer room to check his email one last time before going to bed when he noticed all the batteries to some of his electronics have been removed and tossed on the floor. He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him French_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean. - Seems to be unarmed (not associated with weapons) -> Used broken glass recently -> Used a taser like device - Electronics connection -> Thematic disabling of electronics -> Thematic use of electricity (DC?) When we glance over at TranceStorm profile and try to match it to the mafia we get; Name: You have an interesting juxtaposition of tranquility against ferocity thus you would expect some kind of explosive mafia, which is calm then erupts in a quick flurry. The alternative is to have links to a Storm - which only somewhat applies Signature: Blank Profile: Blank As we are looking for an Electricity connection, the Storm (and hence ID) don't really apply to this aspect of Taipan. Also, the juxtaposition of the name is also lacking from Taipan - hence it is fairly safe to assume that TranceStorm is not Taipan Snake and hence Trancestorm is not mafia. <hr> Well there you have it, happy analysing! I encourage anyone and everyone to start analysing clues for yourself. It's really easy, and with this outline the town should be hitting mafia in no time. Expect to see an updated list of profiles very shortly!! | ||
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Mmm if town loses because of inactivity don't start complaining. Oh and flip-flopping? I don't want to be too sure on any position and confirm anything that I don't know for sure, and so I like to keep my options open. Araav is strong? LOL? Not that I say that he's not mafia, but COME ON, a mention of some obscure, poisonous plant, and you link it to him because of his flower quote? Like I said, how does he even get to "foxglove" from this flower, unless he has knowledge of this foxglove thing before and was like, "flower..oh I'll make a poisonous flower BECAUSE THAT ISN'T AN OBVIOUS LINK AT ALL." If anything, I'd say that it isn't a clue and instead the clue is that the mafioso tends to prepare/use explosives. Myself and Pyrr are most likely most known for spending time on clues. Well it seems that you're spending time on behavior analysis and not clues. Your clue analysis, which was very weak. Whatever. I see that you have no other options at this point and to prove that you're not an incompetent leader you have to get a lynch off. And, seeing as you have no other options, why not go for the guy who stands out, right? Btw, vote for fog tonight, better to get -1 KP than more clues that this so-called emperor can make poor analysis of and get more innocents killed. Oh and "pulsate" can refer to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=iLoveKT who hasn't been posting at all here, yet is active enough to vote. | ||
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By that I meant your analysis sucks right now and until more people with better clue analysis can show up, it's better getting the confirmed -1 kill. | ||
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Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place. “Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead. The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out. Traits: -always in 2's -one tall and lanky, other uses explosives (on hand) -tall and lanky is aware of his surroundings (found Plexa) -explosive user likes to set things up + Show Spoiler + The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure. Traits: -arrogant -fast -eyes peeled, "bursting" -causing shock -"Disappointed that there was only one occupant" overachiever? + Show Spoiler + There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Traits: -new -smart (puzzle solving) -pulsating when on fire -rageful, gets stronger and stronger, doesn't stop -low energy? (passes out) + Show Spoiler + Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two. Traits -comes from nowhere -causes drug-like state? -may not be a mafia by himself (4 mafia had entered only, may be the remnants of Mr. Julia) | ||
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On July 07 2009 03:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: But if he had read the thread, then he would have realized that "Oh wow! The priest role changes hands after every resurrection!", hence putting all angels on one player and voting rain, yes eliminates the suicide bomber, but 1) Leaves MBH wide open for hits 2) Puts our prots on one person who is now a townie. Read my quote. once we have the mafia down to 4 kp I realize it's a bad plan but it gives us a slew of confirmed townies, which is what bLOODYc0BBLER wanted with killing MBH, right? | ||
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Seeing how their last hits failed to hit any blues except Shikyo, then I'm guessing their behavior analysis isn't great. Rain also frees up the list checks, so when my green blood flows, you can see how many of those evil minion pledges were quick to jump on the bandwagon (or not and vote for someone else in an attempt to seem non-bandwagon-y) So do we play conservatively or aggressively? | ||
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Regardless, when I die and turn green, I suggest everyone take a good hard look at our emperor (not saying lynch him but keep an eye out for him.) -He says he is good at clue analyzing and then posts crap as analysis and tries to behavior analyze -Since I'm green and he's think he's got me, it shows his behavior analysis sucks - quite akin to the poor hits by mafia when they tried to behavior analyze. -Says he was responsible for the fog plan; nope, check again, page 1, me and motbob start off the thread talking about weather and oh look we decided on fog, something bc clearly neglects to mention. -Says he's helping the town by killing MBH; but oh wait, why would he kill MBH when he says that by Day 2 or 3 we can easily tell his alignment? Unless..oh that's right, priests give out clues when they try to revive someone. Maybe he's trying to use his gosu clue analysis to kill off the priest before the resurrection. -Clearly, to anyone reading the thread not taking part in the game, I'm green. Maybe he thinks that I'm defending myself too hard and I MUST be a blue and, what better power-play than to lynch a blue? -His analysis on me is solid? Whatever happened to "Let's kill ydg because he goes inactive?" So when I'm inactive you want to kill me, and when I'm active, you want to kill me? Why are you so focused on killing me, maybe it's because you think something is odd because I posted so early in the thread and so I must have some sort of special role (either mafia or blue). What else.. -He must be caps-blind or something, how else can he misspell my name millions of times in this thread by posting it in all caps when clearly there are no caps in these three letters? -His profile has a name, Rhaegar, which means (according to urban dictionary) "Untrustworthy person who steals things from his friends." -He uses a 0 instead of an o Anyways, hopefully better clue analyzers will appear and MBH will be successfully revived. Some buried posts:+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote: First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote: I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1 Day 2 Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringer First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900 Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote: hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + araav Photo: Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. BloodyC0bbler Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !] Total Posts: 2476 Average Posts Per Day: 1.40 Average Posts Per Week: 9.80 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. Bockit Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 23rd of November 2004 Birthday: December 15, 1987 Country: Australia Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I'm on a boat] Total Posts: 1897 Average Posts Per Day: 1.13 Average Posts Per Week: 7.91 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Mafia Forum! And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator. And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob Source Oh sorry I forgot you can't read binary. - Sonuvbob You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing Source Have a moderate day. - Chill Thank you so much Klockan, this thread had me all depressed SC2 is like christmas when you're 5, to me. 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Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of May 2009 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 135 Average Posts Per Day: 2.75 Average Posts Per Week: 19.25 Posts made in the last week: 5 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. GoodWill Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821 << Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation /edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821 Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect << Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. HeavOnEarth Photo: Joined TL.net: Monday, 3rd of March 2008 Birthday: October 01, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [http://l0lhi.mybrute.com we can't be sure of anything in this world, it's the only sure thing i know ] Total Posts: 3377 Average Posts Per Day: 6.93 Average Posts Per Week: 48.51 Posts made in the last week: 92 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + C J O S U D L PQ T V X AB FGHI K N R YZ E M W What's the pattern? no really tell me, i have no clue :O iLoveKT Photo: Joined TL.net: Monday, 6th of October 2008 Birthday: March 20, 1988 Country: Philippines Quote: [TL Mafia Forum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| BackHo: zizi yO, Leta: pp, GoRush: a] Total Posts: 1195 Average Posts Per Day: 4.43 Average Posts Per Week: 31.01 Posts made in the last week: 45 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + inertinept Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Friday, 23rd of May 2008 Birthday: Country: Bangladesh Quote: [With a gust of wind, perhaps.] Total Posts: 773 Average Posts Per Day: 1.91 Average Posts Per Week: 13.37 Posts made in the last week: 9 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. iNfuNdiBuLuM Photo: Joined TL.net: Sunday, 11th of May 2003 Birthday: February 11, 1988 Country: United States Quote: ["All the sounds of the Earth are like music" - Oscar Hammerstein II - TL MAFIA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31] Total Posts: 1098 Average Posts Per Day: 0.49 Average Posts Per Week: 3.43 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + JeeJee Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Monday, 28th of July 2003 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [(\o/)It brings tears of joy to my eyes to see the tears of angst in theirs. /_\ aka feelShinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 )] Total Posts: 2103 Average Posts Per Day: 0.97 Average Posts Per Week: 6.79 Posts made in the last week: 17 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Fear is the strongest driving force in competition. Not fear of one's opponent, but of the skill and high standard he represents; fear, too, of not acquitting oneself well. In the achievement of higher performances, of beating formidable rivals, the athlete defeats fear and conquers himself. -Franz Stampfl Kuja900 Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Saturday, 6th of October 2007 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Julyzerg Fighting! Both Starleagues! Support my Brute: http://kuja900.mybrute.com] Total Posts: 2356 Average Posts Per Day: 3.71 Average Posts Per Week: 25.97 Posts made in the last week: 36 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2009 12:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: kuja pushes to the front and says "fakesteve, to be blunt it's doubtful at most that you wrote that post" fakesteve replied, "whatever, cunt" L Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 29th of January 2008 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. ] Total Posts: 1345 Average Posts Per Day: 2.58 Average Posts Per Week: 18.06 Posts made in the last week: 28 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. Lenwe Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 4th of March 2008 Birthday: August 10, 1984 Country: Netherlands Quote: [What's up?] Total Posts: 555 Average Posts Per Day: 1.14 Average Posts Per Week: 7.98 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. LucasWoJ Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Saturday, 19th of May 2007 Birthday: May 19, 1992 Country: United States Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut] Total Posts: 556 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 18 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Alright, how can I make myself a prime mafia suspect...hmm, here are some vague references (they can refer to anything!) - Pirates have always been elusive figures. - Oh the times! Oh the morals! - Lasciat ogni speranza, voi che intrante. - ”凡事须得研究,才会明白。“ - 鲁迅 - Focus the machine! - white, blue, red, red, yellow, green, purple, brown, black, colors! - "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s. - Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read There, clues shouldn't be too difficult to think up with all that junk. SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see... Knife, gun, burning alive, matches, broken bottle, movie sign, punched to death, kicked to death, boiled to death, run over by a car, abducted by aliens, asphyxiation, defenestration, hanging, flaying, flagellation, robbery, arson, etc. electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories. CAR CAR CAR cat, dog, any other pet, lion, tiger, wolf, Little, medium, large You got me Caller; you got me. I completely omitted an entire section of what could substantiate a clue. Songs. Ipod. Michael Jackson. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. The beatles. Frank Sinatra. Wang Lee Hom. Bing Crosby. There. War. Arrow, scythe, hammer. Moonlight. Alley. Malongo Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 19th of November 2005 Birthday: August 11, 1982 Country: Chile Quote: [Im improving my English. Any comments about my redaction and word use will be appreciated. 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MAFIA FORUM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31] Total Posts: 2740 Average Posts Per Day: 6.44 Average Posts Per Week: 45.08 Posts made in the last week: 49 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Figured I better update my profile before the next mafia game so if I roll mafia I won't be dead at the first bird-related clue. Former policy debater. My favorite song: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zxf_to-here-knows-when Great short story: http://fiction.eserver.org/short/araby.html My blog (will set to work on it this summer): http://hegesonic.blogspot.com/ redtooth Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 27th of December 2008 Birthday: February 05, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [Ketchup] Total Posts: 715 Average Posts Per Day: 3.79 Average Posts Per Week: 26.53 Posts made in the last week: 22 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Ketchup (also spelled catsup or catchup), also known as tomato ketchup, tomato sauce, red sauce, Tommy sauce, Tommy K, or dead horse, is a condiment, usually made from tomatoes. The ingredients in a typical modern ketchup are tomato concentrate, spirit vinegar, corn syrup or other sugar, salt, spice and herb extracts (including celery), spice and garlic powder. Allspice, cloves, cinnamon, onion, and other vegetables may be included. Ketchup started as a general term for sauce, typically made of mushrooms or fish brine with herbs and spices. I'm pretty angelic. Some popular early main ingredients included blueberry, anchovy, oyster, lobster, walnut, kidney bean, cucumber, cranberry, lemon, celery and grape. Ketchup is often used with chips (French fries), hamburgers, sandwiches and grilled or fried meat. Ketchup is also used as a base for various sauces. Scamp Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 2nd of October 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Cheese is good for you!] Total Posts: 132 Average Posts Per Day: 0.48 Average Posts Per Week: 3.36 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. Scaramanga Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 6th of March 2008 Birthday: August 24, 1992 Country: Australia Quote: [IM ON A BOAT MOTHER FUCKER DONT YOU EVER FORGET Youngho, Sangwon and Kangmin, Allkill please! fLb altitude team hwaiting!] Total Posts: 3056 Average Posts Per Day: 6.32 Average Posts Per Week: 44.24 Posts made in the last week: 55 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. So no fek Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Sunday, 12th of June 2005 Birthday: January 26, 1990 Country: United States Quote: [#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36] Total Posts: 1072 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 27 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + I lurk TL.net. :O StorZerg Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 27th of February 2008 Birthday: November 14, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 928 Average Posts Per Day: 1.89 Average Posts Per Week: 13.23 Posts made in the last week: 259 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. TruthBringer Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 13th of November 2003 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Carbon FC] Total Posts: 469 Average Posts Per Day: 0.23 Average Posts Per Week: 1.61 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + And on the 8th day, God created ownage . . . vx70GTOJudgexv Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Sunday, 30th of November 2008 Birthday: October 28, 1990 Country: United States Quote: [Entusman #25 - GO BERSERKER!!!! /// Team MA/CT HWAITING!] Total Posts: 1685 Average Posts Per Day: 7.83 Average Posts Per Week: 54.81 Posts made in the last week: 59 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Team Massachusetts/Connecticut W-L: 1-0 (+1) Individual: 3-1 (+2) Week 1: vs. Florida Win (3-1) Week 2: TBD Week 3: TBD Week 4: TBD Week 5: TBD Individuals: 3 Lions (C): 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) alphafuzard: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) fOrTT: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) NiceGuy(i2): 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) nbtnbt5: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) vx70GTOJudgexv: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) Jaysmurff[PvT]: 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) yenta: 1-0 (vT 0-0, vP 1-0, vZ 0-0) Demonic_Phate: 0-1 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-1) ydg Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD -Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather. Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort. Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues. Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb. I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today. Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him. Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people. Now, Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day. I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote: The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating. There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread: Fishball: "Passing by. Role confirmed." "I see a lot of math... If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first." "I abstain" Shikyo: "Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day." (after death) "Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet." "Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town." "I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. " Elemenope: "/confirm As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5. Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets. As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain). And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one. I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?" "Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?" "WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET" "hurrdurr" "I abstain from voting." Vivi57: no posts in main thread "just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep" "I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability edit: bolded properly" BONUS: JeeJee: "also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote: To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page). Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post. | ||
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On July 07 2009 11:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So just stop. OK. Btw why do you capitalize my name? | ||
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On July 07 2009 11:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Habit from my first game I ran, I had you capitalized on all my spreadsheets and word docs i wrote up. Oh okay. Haha, it just looks out of place when you post and it screams out. | ||
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On July 07 2009 16:21 redtooth wrote: not done reading through (on page 19) but i would like to note that an overly hostile figure has a high chance of being mafia. that means you ydg. That's unfair...bc and L are just as hostile as me . On July 07 2009 19:54 HeavOnEarth wrote: Why is Truthbringer NOT voting ydg Simple. They are both Mafia. Truthbringer is a pledge, ydg is mafia, or GF or suicide bomber. Like i said beforem there is a LOT of new votes for truthbringer If i was mafia i would just slightly sway the number of votes, nothing like that. Thoughts? Or it could be that he is....INACTIVE?? He hasn't posted anything here in a while. On July 07 2009 20:14 HeavOnEarth wrote: - Truthbringer is taking the bullet for ydg - mafia simply don't care because truthbringer is townie - they are both townie and well, mafia are all holding a bag of popcorn and laughing and spelling gosu with their hitlists all these scenarios make it beneficial to lynch ydg Most likely the third one, I believe one of the slew of people who just posted to pose as active is mafia and neither me nor truthbringer are mafia. In fact, that's exactly what we did in Pyrrh's game, we just sat back and watched teks and zeks and Shikyo go at it and flew under the radar. But hey, I'll take my vote off truthbringer and let's watch how the deciding votes lie. | ||
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On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones... Just taking my vote off of Truthbringer and having to put it on someone, didn't want to abstain since then people would suspect me of not wanting to be on a list anywhere. And hey look, since I'm now vulnerable to be lynched, let's see who piles onto me to force me to be lynched instead of Truthbringer! | ||
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On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote: Some buried posts:+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote: First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote: I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1 Day 2 Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringer First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900 Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote: hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + araav Photo: Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. BloodyC0bbler Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. 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Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821 << Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation /edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821 Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect << Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. HeavOnEarth Photo: Joined TL.net: Monday, 3rd of March 2008 Birthday: October 01, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [http://l0lhi.mybrute.com we can't be sure of anything in this world, it's the only sure thing i know ] Total Posts: 3377 Average Posts Per Day: 6.93 Average Posts Per Week: 48.51 Posts made in the last week: 92 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + C J O S U D L PQ T V X AB FGHI K N R YZ E M W What's the pattern? no really tell me, i have no clue :O iLoveKT Photo: Joined TL.net: Monday, 6th of October 2008 Birthday: March 20, 1988 Country: Philippines Quote: [TL Mafia Forum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| BackHo: zizi yO, Leta: pp, GoRush: a] Total Posts: 1195 Average Posts Per Day: 4.43 Average Posts Per Week: 31.01 Posts made in the last week: 45 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + inertinept Photo: None uploaded. 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Joined TL.net: Monday, 28th of July 2003 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [(\o/)It brings tears of joy to my eyes to see the tears of angst in theirs. /_\ aka feelShinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 )] Total Posts: 2103 Average Posts Per Day: 0.97 Average Posts Per Week: 6.79 Posts made in the last week: 17 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Fear is the strongest driving force in competition. Not fear of one's opponent, but of the skill and high standard he represents; fear, too, of not acquitting oneself well. In the achievement of higher performances, of beating formidable rivals, the athlete defeats fear and conquers himself. -Franz Stampfl Kuja900 Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Saturday, 6th of October 2007 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Julyzerg Fighting! Both Starleagues! Support my Brute: http://kuja900.mybrute.com] Total Posts: 2356 Average Posts Per Day: 3.71 Average Posts Per Week: 25.97 Posts made in the last week: 36 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2009 12:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: kuja pushes to the front and says "fakesteve, to be blunt it's doubtful at most that you wrote that post" fakesteve replied, "whatever, cunt" L Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 29th of January 2008 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. ] Total Posts: 1345 Average Posts Per Day: 2.58 Average Posts Per Week: 18.06 Posts made in the last week: 28 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. Lenwe Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 4th of March 2008 Birthday: August 10, 1984 Country: Netherlands Quote: [What's up?] Total Posts: 555 Average Posts Per Day: 1.14 Average Posts Per Week: 7.98 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. LucasWoJ Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Saturday, 19th of May 2007 Birthday: May 19, 1992 Country: United States Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut] Total Posts: 556 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 18 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Alright, how can I make myself a prime mafia suspect...hmm, here are some vague references (they can refer to anything!) - Pirates have always been elusive figures. - Oh the times! Oh the morals! - Lasciat ogni speranza, voi che intrante. - ”凡事须得研究,才会明白。“ - 鲁迅 - Focus the machine! - white, blue, red, red, yellow, green, purple, brown, black, colors! - "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s. - Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read There, clues shouldn't be too difficult to think up with all that junk. SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see... Knife, gun, burning alive, matches, broken bottle, movie sign, punched to death, kicked to death, boiled to death, run over by a car, abducted by aliens, asphyxiation, defenestration, hanging, flaying, flagellation, robbery, arson, etc. electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories. CAR CAR CAR cat, dog, any other pet, lion, tiger, wolf, Little, medium, large You got me Caller; you got me. I completely omitted an entire section of what could substantiate a clue. Songs. Ipod. Michael Jackson. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. The beatles. Frank Sinatra. Wang Lee Hom. Bing Crosby. There. War. Arrow, scythe, hammer. Moonlight. Alley. Malongo Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 19th of November 2005 Birthday: August 11, 1982 Country: Chile Quote: [Im improving my English. Any comments about my redaction and word use will be appreciated. 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Scaramanga Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 6th of March 2008 Birthday: August 24, 1992 Country: Australia Quote: [IM ON A BOAT MOTHER FUCKER DONT YOU EVER FORGET Youngho, Sangwon and Kangmin, Allkill please! fLb altitude team hwaiting!] Total Posts: 3056 Average Posts Per Day: 6.32 Average Posts Per Week: 44.24 Posts made in the last week: 55 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. So no fek Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Sunday, 12th of June 2005 Birthday: January 26, 1990 Country: United States Quote: [#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36] Total Posts: 1072 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 27 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + I lurk TL.net. :O StorZerg Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 27th of February 2008 Birthday: November 14, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 928 Average Posts Per Day: 1.89 Average Posts Per Week: 13.23 Posts made in the last week: 259 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. TruthBringer Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 13th of November 2003 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Carbon FC] Total Posts: 469 Average Posts Per Day: 0.23 Average Posts Per Week: 1.61 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + And on the 8th day, God created ownage . . . vx70GTOJudgexv Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Sunday, 30th of November 2008 Birthday: October 28, 1990 Country: United States Quote: [Entusman #25 - GO BERSERKER!!!! /// Team MA/CT HWAITING!] Total Posts: 1685 Average Posts Per Day: 7.83 Average Posts Per Week: 54.81 Posts made in the last week: 59 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Team Massachusetts/Connecticut W-L: 1-0 (+1) Individual: 3-1 (+2) Week 1: vs. Florida Win (3-1) Week 2: TBD Week 3: TBD Week 4: TBD Week 5: TBD Individuals: 3 Lions (C): 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) alphafuzard: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) fOrTT: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) NiceGuy(i2): 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) nbtnbt5: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) vx70GTOJudgexv: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) Jaysmurff[PvT]: 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0) yenta: 1-0 (vT 0-0, vP 1-0, vZ 0-0) Demonic_Phate: 0-1 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-1) ydg Photo: None uploaded. Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD -Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather. Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort. Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues. Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb. I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today. Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him. Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people. Now, Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day. I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote: The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating. There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread: Fishball: "Passing by. Role confirmed." "I see a lot of math... If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first." "I abstain" Shikyo: "Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day." (after death) "Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet." "Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town." "I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. " Elemenope: "/confirm As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5. Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets. As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain). And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one. I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?" "Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?" "WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET" "hurrdurr" "I abstain from voting." Vivi57: no posts in main thread "just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep" "I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability edit: bolded properly" BONUS: JeeJee: "also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote: To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page). Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post. | ||
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On July 08 2009 08:10 So no fek wrote: ydg, out of curiosity, why haven't you changed for vote from ecomania to TruthBringer? Granted you may think Truthbringer is innocent (or it's a mafia mind game, I don't know), but you would think that if you're going to be lynched, that you'd put your vote on the currently leading lynch choice, putting that extra layer of security between you being safe and you being lynched. Please don't change your vote because of me, I'd just like to know why you're okay with being so close to a lynch. Oh I actually voted for Truthbringer (was the second to do so), and, knowing that I'm green, if Truthbringer turns out to be red, voila there's a huge list of people who have voted for me at the end in an attempt to sway me to be lynched (if I don't get lynched, that is). If it so happens that I do get lynched, then again these people are under suspicion because I really don't think there's any reason to lynch me, but they're just voting for me (like chaoser, Kuja, scara) out of nowhere. I also made my peace with being lynched yesterday lol. So I guess I'm trying to bait mafia, in case Truthbringer is in fact mafia? If I don't get lynched then either Truthbringer is not mafia (why wouldn't mafia want to save one of their own when it's so close), or they don't want to risk it. Also, if I were mafia, I wouldn't risk myself like this, would I? | ||
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On July 08 2009 07:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Why are you reposting the same shit repeatedly? Shit? My my, what a dirty mouth, why so offensive? Let me try it: Why do you keep posting the same spamming pieces of shit that come out of your useless mouth instead of information that would help the town? Instead, the only things you've posted are useless, or shit that defends yourself from a weak clue connection. Hell, you didn't even have to post that shit because it was so weak, I guess you wanted to distance yourself from bc, right? Too bad, because if bc is mafia, I'm pretty sure you are too. As to why I repost it, well no one is posting anything and no one seems to have seen it (especially my phoenix connection which I think warrants discussion) and why the fuck can I not repost it? Do I have to fucking listen to every thing that comes out of your useless mouth? Who the fuck gives you the authority to say what I can and can not post? If you don't want to see what I have to say then don't read it maybe? No need to be a troll. There, did that work? | ||
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On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over. Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it. I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object." The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird. Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think. And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct. But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it. | ||
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On July 08 2009 09:18 ydg wrote: Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it. I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object." The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird. Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think. And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct. But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it. OH AND http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/014105.html Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix have the same birthday. Hence, Mr. Julia. I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL. | ||
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@vx70GTOJudgexv Then have one of your mafia goons vote to lynch me, I mean it's tied right now. Seeing as how I won't break the tie by voting Truthbringer, you tell me. Alright Pyrry, no need to get SO FUCKING WORKED FYAESGHJDNFHEBFEJFYEO TYBU AGSBRT NRSTH UP about it, lol. So it's not a clue and it doesn't point to you. | ||
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On July 08 2009 13:30 So no fek wrote: Might be a waste, but a quick question for Plexa: Would it be too late to call the double lynch now? And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if ydg is innocent (or Truthbringer for that matter), but they're our best bets at the moment, and their behavior has been suspect enough. I'm going to laugh if ydg flips green, and then we can forever call him a stupid townie. Stupid townie? Quite contrarily, look what I've accomplished with regards to vx70GTOJudgexv, bc, and to an extent, Pyrrh. I never directly talked to vx70GTOJudgexv at all and yet he confronts me for no reason at all, and they're all hostile; I wonder why. Like I said before, they're probably all mafia and think I'm some important blue and so they want to get rid of me. I really hope truthbringer turns red because then there's a slew of info in the vote lists. | ||
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On July 08 2009 14:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I guess this could mean redtooth knows TruthBringer is innocent and wants to get his vote off of co-mafia YDG and by abstaining he won't be among those looking suspicious for picking the innocent TruthBringer + won't be able to be checked by the Mystic. Mm both likely reasons. I suppose it's up to you, your choice. It all comes down to you (unless you can't handle the pressure lol.) If you think I'm mafia, switch your vote to me. If not, stay on Truthbringer. | ||
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On July 09 2009 02:27 redtooth wrote: *sigh*. okay. the reason why i voted abstain instead of truthbringer is by abstaining i sort of guarantee truthbringer's death (it was 12-12 with him and ydg but abstaining gave truthbringer a lead almost minutes before votes were finalized) but i don't increase the votelist count so mystics have more names to deal with. i understand its only a difference of 1 but it is enough of a difference. stop making retarded assumptions. e: just wanted to mention that i was actually thinking about voting myself (e.g. I vote redtooth) to keep myself off the abstain list and create a possibility for a virtual rolecheck in an isolated list but didn't know if that was legal. so question: is it legal? You should have voted for economia with me then, it had the 3rd most votes. And with a tie, the person with the most votes first gets lynched, and in that case it would have been Truthbringer (I think). Nice job with the lynch! Good job L, I hope you post your analysis soon in case you get hit. | ||
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On July 09 2009 02:59 redtooth wrote: btw, rereading Mr. Julia's descriptions makes me inclined to say that he is the Hulk (anger, skin color changing, erratic punching). I don't know much about the Hulk but my question is does the person pass out afterwords? Don't know how it connects to "Julia" though. And doesn't explain his adeptness at numbers either. "Banner, a genius, is emotionally withdrawn in most fashions" from wikipedia, so I suppose that could be why he's good at numbers. EDIT: "Under the writing of Paul Jenkins, Banner was shown to be a capable fugitive, applying deductive reasoning and observation to figure out the events transpiring around him. On the occasions that Banner has controlled the Hulk's body, he has applied principles of physics to problems and challenges and used deductive reasoning." Lol I found that funny | ||
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"Soon after, the building rage within Bruce stemming from all of the stresses building up around him activates his gamma-radiated DNA, transforming him into the Hulk. After the destruction at the lab, Bruce is found unconscious and at home by Betty. Bruce barely remembers his transformation, a sensation similar to birth." | ||
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"Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him." I know he's talking about being a townie in mafia but he says "green skin." I'll keep looking | ||
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Quite simply, we need his double lynches. And now that we KNOW how Plexa's clues are, we should be able to nab a few. He quite obviously links players to characters and gives them traits, much like Chuiu did in mafia 2. Case in point; vx70GTOJudgexv is a Berserker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker I can't believe you weren't mafia LOL) and Truthbringer is the skeleton in his picture. Look right here: Mr Julia had been given a strict set of instructions to follow, and the first required him to wait until exactly 3:14am. He sat outside motionless as the fog rolled over him. He knew his skin was beginning to form bulbs as he was not familiar with these conditions. As predicted, vx70GTOJudgexv left the building at the precise time. vx70GTOJudgexv was a strong man in the town, arguably the strongest in all of Liquiville. Mr Julia walked up behind him and put his military training to good use – hitting vx70GTOJudgexv in the exact position to cause him to collapse to the ground. However as vx70GTOJudgexv fell he reached to Mr Julia’s face and grabbed a leather strip covering his face revealing a whole where his nose should have been, and the scars of countless surgeries. The bulbs on Mr Julia’s skin began to change to a chilling shade of yellow as he realised he did not have much time left. He picked up vx70GTOJudgexv and ran towards the cheese factory as fast and he could and dumped him inside. L was exceptionally pleased with his efforts in swaying the towns vote the previous day. Indeed he had returned to the Cheese Factory to scope out more clues for the town. Upon his investigation he saw the unconscious body of vx70GTOJudgexv lying around on the ground. The sight was troubling as he knew the tremendous responsibility that had been thrust upon vx70GTOJudgexv the night before. He looked down at the ground and noticed that the blood from the previous night had not yet dried and instantly knew that his life was over. Scamp threw himself at the two targets and annihilated both L and vx70GTOJudgexv in a magnificent explosion. Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. The morning rooster crowed, and both Mafioso knew that So no fek still had to be dealt with. Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour. Now we have Mr. Julia now has -(yellow) bulbs (because of weather?) -military background -leather straps and no nose? along with yesterday's clues Now I don't know what this could be but someone here should immediately recognize this. The two that killed Caller and So no fek; "while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. " "Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour." Obviously a Medusa or a Gorgon or a Basilisk or something else that can turn things into stone. "While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter" "As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down." This could be the same bomber as before or not. But, "glided down from the tree" immediately brings to my mind Batman. But why is he laughing? The Joker? A mix of Batman and the Joker? I say today we nail the easiest clue, and that is the Medusa/Basilisk, since I can't think of what the other two could be. If anyone else has any ideas, please say. | ||
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ecomania: + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2009 06:03 ecomania wrote: got my role On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote: I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC. In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post. I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like "Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff". So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes. As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent. It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let people with more experience do the voting. Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on the mafia. On July 05 2009 23:08 ecomania wrote: A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho. So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer. I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail. On July 06 2009 03:15 ecomania wrote: Well I already wrote a post explaining why I voted for L and why I seemed inactive... did you miss it or am I still on the hit list anyway? On July 06 2009 23:36 ecomania wrote: Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest. If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived. On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones... On July 08 2009 20:31 ecomania wrote: Doesn't that make araav/Caller innocent? I guess a mafia wouldn't eat the cheese he poisoned himself. StorrZerg:+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2009 22:19 StorrZerg wrote: been a bit inactive in this game So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone? other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct? On July 06 2009 23:42 StorrZerg wrote: but it won't be a mafia member correct? also is it a big chance the mafia will try their hardest to get MBH killed again, so that we the townies are left with no one to trust again? On July 07 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote: I don't get the end.. Under a lot of _____ ??? On July 07 2009 01:24 StorrZerg wrote: Thanks by medics do you mean angles? On July 07 2009 04:31 StorrZerg wrote: be the worst game ever if we lynched the priest lol there goes all the hard work and planning lol. On July 07 2009 07:24 StorrZerg wrote: aggressively sounds fun on with the lynching! or not.... I'll vote for rain On July 07 2009 11:34 StorrZerg wrote: spreadsheets holy crap... well people need to vote in, and then the game can move on. On July 07 2009 21:56 StorrZerg wrote: darn i was hoping to survive this game by following blind orders On July 08 2009 00:06 StorrZerg wrote: Voting is ended i think... O_o On July 08 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote: when does it end now then O_o? On July 08 2009 03:16 StorrZerg wrote: 18:00 KST time he just said. don don. we got some time. On July 08 2009 12:46 StorrZerg wrote: anyone who posts near 100k is mafia i agree On July 08 2009 22:28 StorrZerg wrote: i think hes sleeping right now... So if BC is the grandfather, alliance checks won't work on him right? so there really is no way to find out? On July 08 2009 23:47 StorrZerg wrote: so is there any other way it could be? 1 GF 4 Mafiosos 3 Pledges? On July 09 2009 00:33 StorrZerg wrote: <3 for the math On July 09 2009 02:12 StorrZerg wrote: maybe they should move in together? On July 09 2009 02:20 StorrZerg wrote: o why your mafia and calling it out all ready? or sin? On July 09 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote: cause i can't see in fog.... i mean i stumble along the paths and trip. sorry just trying to liven up the game On July 09 2009 02:59 StorrZerg wrote: yeah that requires the angles 2 people 4 saves (rain) to protect what 20 people? the odds of that happening are far less, and just gives mafia more kills rather than less On July 09 2009 04:22 StorrZerg wrote: Seeing that sun made me think of a new day On July 09 2009 08:06 StorrZerg wrote: wanna predict whose gonna die? lol On July 09 2009 10:33 StorrZerg wrote: thought this game was suppose to stay in here lol less mafia kills me now lol, so i guess that means you think im a townie On July 09 2009 11:31 StorrZerg wrote: cool On July 09 2009 21:41 StorrZerg wrote: im so lost as to whats going on.. how did they find the priest? On July 09 2009 23:51 StorrZerg wrote: seems like our angles are dumb / smart since they did not protect him Now these are the same people LucasWoj said were mafia (along with judge and chaoser lol) and what have their posts been? Not much. Not helping the town. Especially StorrZerg, he has so many posts yet not one of them is helpful at all, or even trying to be helpful. StorrZerg also voted for Truthbringer towards the end, when it was around 12-10, him being the 12th. Ecomania voted for me with his lame pretense "But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P" Finally, these two have no profile information besides their names. So it should be easy to look up clues for them. EDIT: spoilers | ||
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On July 10 2009 03:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Weak clue would be to bockit however though. The animation in his profile could be very hypnotizing, and he used it to hypnotize so no fek and caller, but caller resisted and ran, while so no fek succumbed. Also would suggest why he didn't fight back at all during this entire endeavour. as for the nautical theme bockit has a quote saying "i'm on a boat" Its weak but I will look more seriously into the clues soon. I don't think it's as much as a hypotnizing as it is a turning to stone thing, because why would they dump the body in the ocean which would then sink? infundibulum's quote comes from a song: http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyrics/beautifulmorning.html "All the cattle are standing like statues, All the cattle are standing like statues" | ||
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Mr Julia had been given a strict set of instructions to follow, and the first required him to wait until exactly 3:14am. He sat outside motionless as the fog rolled over him. He knew his skin was beginning to form bulbs as he was not familiar with these conditions. As predicted, vx70GTOJudgexv left the building at the precise time. vx70GTOJudgexv was a strong man in the town, arguably the strongest in all of Liquiville. Mr Julia walked up behind him and put his military training to good use – hitting vx70GTOJudgexv in the exact position to cause him to collapse to the ground. However as vx70GTOJudgexv fell he reached to Mr Julia’s face and grabbed a leather strip covering his face revealing a whole where his nose should have been, and the scars of countless surgeries. The bulbs on Mr Julia’s skin began to change to a chilling shade of yellow as he realised he did not have much time left. He picked up vx70GTOJudgexv and ran towards the cheese factory as fast and he could and dumped him inside. "bulb" what an interesting word. When I first read this, I thought like pustules and those nasty pus-filled things. But then I looked it up: "Anatomy. A rounded dilation or expansion of a canal, vessel, or organ." That's not what I imagined. In fact...maybe he actually meant a bulb. As in a lightbulb. Which turns yellow, well, when it turns on? He needs the bulbs because...he can't see in the fog? Or it could be a bulb, like a plant? Anyways if someone can show me that he did mean what I thought he meant, then I'll retract this, but for now, yeah. | ||
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It's possible it's some light man or something strange like that, given that Truthbringer is a skeleton. | ||
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On July 10 2009 09:41 LucasWoJ wrote: Interesting, I think of a bulbasaur. Is anyone into Pokemon? chaoser's a pokemon master | ||
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But, we can't lynch bc today. Why? We need his double lynches. Once he's done with his double lynches, then if we still have suspicions on him, we lynch him. Simple as that. And I still think that Plexa's clues are character related (Truthbringer=skeleton, vx70GTOJudgexv=berserker), and so we're looking for a character that resembles Mr Julia (or maybe Mr Julia cycles between characters) the medusa/basilisk, and the flying-funny man, but if kuja turns out to be mafia then I'll have to rethink. @weather: Sunny, we don't have any good targets, don't vote. Snow, could be useful. Fog, -1kp but I think now we need the lists, especially for tonight's scattered voting. Rain, we haven't had any protections yet, but it's all a mindgame. I would say it's between rain and snow, snow might be better for the next day once we really understand how his clues work. That said, I'm voting rain. Cmon medics make it good. EDIT: is->might be | ||
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http://vampirefreaks.com/ilovekt That said, Mr Julia could be a vampire, as the thing that knocks into vivi | ||
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Oh crap you're right, the suicide bomber can kill 2, my bad. | ||
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On July 11 2009 15:33 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Oh, weather! With only 1 mystic left, fuck voting for rain. Fog - guaranteed kp drop to 3. This isn't bad at all, and is certainly the safest choice right now. Sunny - a gambit. I'm pretty sure our assassins can pick some solid targets by now. If we don't vote it today, next day for sure. Snow - also a gambit because all we get is clues, and depending on who dies we could be fucked for clue analysis. Sunny is a safer vote than this. I'm voting Fog. Uh, mystics are dets. We still have angels. On July 11 2009 15:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Go look at all of my clue analysis about BC from earlier, and then look at all the connections to vampires we've made from Mr Julia. In that bloody cobbler blog i showed earlier there's a "You scored as Dracula." post. Chezinu has green skin, while this mafia's is yellow and I've seen none of the other many Mr Julia traits pop up for him. LucasWoJ could fit with the MJ surgery and the colors and the time thing, but again I think I've made better cases for Falcynn and BC. Vampires can also be linked to a ton of other people though, like iLoveKT (google his name, 4th result) or even Scaramanga (guy who played Scaramanga played Dracula) There are 4 mafia left that we know of: -Tall and lanky -Person who likes bombs -Mr Julia -Petrifier and maybe -Funny dressed, odd sense of humor, guy If we can draw some connections from bc's list to these guys, then that would help a lot (still going with clues=describe person's physical and behavioral attributes) | ||
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The prospect of having -1kp seems too lucrative, but with a good double lynch, we essentially get the same thing. The problem being, we can have that two more times if we don't kill bc, and if we do, we need some sun and some good lynches to end the game quicker, or else it will be drawn out at least 5 more days. | ||
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Plexa doesn't use more than one attribute in the suspects. Iirc, you said Kuja was the flying bomber, but then that uses Kuja's flying and his brute's bombers. It seemed like a perfect fit, except it wasn't. This means that Plexa doesn't take different things. I strongly think he's doing something like Qatol in Qatol's game, that is, characters as suspects and their actions are indicative of who they are. Let's look at this bomber now: Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place. “Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead. Not much there..except the use of a bomb. Now, why is he using a bomb? Either the clue is that he's a bomber, OR it's his weapon of choice, in order to allow us to identify this mafia in future days (sort of like how Qatol used Caller's syringe) Second day we get more about this bomber: The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out. I first thought this fox glove seed thing was a load of bull, but bc mentioned something about terrorism and ecomania, and now that he's innocent, let's look at that link again. The bomber sprinkles seeds onto food. Fair enough. Most of this is about this tall, lanky, AWARE person (I believe the key is the awareness, who else is, say, a psionically-attuned character? Now the next day, assuming that bombing is his signature: Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. The morning rooster crowed, and both Mafioso knew that So no fek still had to be dealt with. Upon checking his wallet they established his ironic death by making So no fek sink in the harbour. Okay bomber, bingo, same guy. Now we get him in detail. First, "A twig behind them snapped." At first this sounds like some sort of filler, but then, read the paragraph again. Who is doing the snapping, which is behind them and causes Caller to turn back and run? So this snapping must be important. And hmm snapping a twig...sounds like destroy some environmental stuff.. Secondly, strangely clothed guy falls down and laughs. Someone mentioned this before and said it seemed like a maniac, and I agree, he sounds kind of crazy. In fact, he uses a Finally, he uses a trap, I first envisioned it like an animal trap, but that doesn't explain why it hoisted him up (can animal traps do that? if not then nevermind, this guy has some psychic abilities). Anyways using an animal trap is another nod to the theme of environment (as is the setting, a park). Since this bomber isn't Kuja, I'd have to say that he's ecomania. Ecomania, with no other information in his profile, must have clues linked to his name. Eco-mania. I think Plexa could look that word up and see the weird definition "An obsolete term for a syndrome of domineering behaviour at home and humility toward persons in authority." but that's weird and afaik it's not even a legit definition. Anyways, aside from these (weak I admit) clues, his behavior is also interesting. He hasn't posted much here (mostly junk) and his votes... (last lynch) last vote on bc, second to last vote on kuja. (2nd to last lynch) voted for me towards the end (mayoral vote) middle to vote for L Now either he's a townie not paying attention and just following bandwagons (not v useful), or he's mafia. If any clues turn up on the next day that have this theme of environment or something disturbing the environment, or the bomber like causing a forest fire or something, I strongly recommend we lynch ecomania. | ||
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Glad I got the ecomania thing and in PMs to Foolishness I was like, motbob's a walking watchtower?? Never would have gotten the Pyrr one though, and your HARSH reaction to my (wrong ) clue thing made me question you very much but then I just ignored you after that, lol oops. | ||
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