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On July 04 2009 09:03 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 07:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:This has gotta be the least active game ever nothing has really happened in the last 6 hours. I guess JeeJee started running and Heavonearth finally gave a platform but meh. Not good for town. How's this not good for the town?
Page 9: Heav0n's throwing down absolutely terrible analysis. The man with the golden gun's weapon was tiny, for instance.
The above quote is very interesting: If you've been in any other game you know that the real 'killer' mentioned in the above post is inactivity. Inactive means we have less information. Means mafia can sit back and pick us off.
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OR YOU WILL BE MOD KILLED well i think so anyways
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BC[5] TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia
redtooth HeavOnEarth ydg LucasWoJ
L[8] So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu ecomania motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo
Abstain[4] redtooth <-- from BC BloodyC0bbler Fishball Bockit
Elemenope[0] Ace <3
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These clues are hard..I tried finding something to get the town talking about clues but found nothing..
Stuff I found important:
The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. a maid?
Both were flattened into human pancakes. pancakes was so close to Plexa's icon. Anyways, possibly a cook?
He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. tried searching tall and lanky on the forums but just found Rekurl
So I basicly wasted a lot of time trying to find something..
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On July 04 2009 10:30 L wrote: First impressions, midway through page 8: HeavOn is 100% right about the likely hood of one of us being GF compared to him. His chance is a straight 1/38, ours are much higher.
That said, that was the exact same reasoning we used to almost get randombum into mayor during mafia 2 (LOL WAY TO GO INACTIVE MAFIA MEMBERS). We got him pardoner instead, which ended up netting us some info, so I'd suggest people vote the person they're most comfortable with. I personally can't favor the math here because I know i'm 100% innocent, which forces me to favor my candidacy.
As for one of us three being GF, I can see mafia advancing GF to take DT checks and establish a fake circle of trust, but GF isn't a standard mafia member in this game. He has a straight KP and Cover, which might FAR outweigh the risk/reward of getting into office, but it seems to me from my initial analysis that that's not the case. Either way, even if its favorable, most players play suboptimally in all mafia games, so it wouldn't be surprising if the GF wasn't running.
The reason WHY pre-running was removed is that it gives the pre-running player a much lower risk of getting in, and the move is made pre-role distribution which means that their candidacy gives us nearly zero information.
Moving onto page 9 now. This is gonna be like learning Santa Claus isn't real all over again (hope I didn't spoil anyone), but the people who run these games don't usually assign the roles in a perfectly random way. They usually make sure a total noob doesn't become GF, for example, and the GF is usually randomized around until it lands on a player who is at least somewhat experienced, which fits all three people running. Don't forget that a player who announces their candidacy before the election can always pull out after the game starts if they roll blue and don't want to draw attention to themselves, or are green and would rather a blue win, or are red and don't want to get checked or have the cover on them all game long (for any of these reasons they could come up with some excuse not related to the game). Any GF who started running before receiving their role would certainly yell "jackpot!" and stay in the race. Heavonearth's chances of being GF are certainly higher than 1/38, and, all things considered, probably not very different compared to L's or BC's.
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On July 04 2009 12:01 Chezinu wrote:These clues are hard..I tried finding something to get the town talking about clues but found nothing.. Stuff I found important: a maid? pancakes was so close to Plexa's icon. Anyways, possibly a cook? tried searching tall and lanky on the forums but just found Rekurl So I basicly wasted a lot of time trying to find something.. BC does the cooking section for the Pony Express. Rekrul is in Chaoser's profile. 5000 minerals and 2500 gas say that neither of those passages link to those two.
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Any GF who started running before receiving their role would certainly yell "jackpot!" and stay in the race.Heavonearth's chances of being GF are certainly higher than 1/38, and, all things considered, probably not very different compared to L's or BC's.
One problem with that. I stopped running and casted my vote for BC
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
One thing I like about L (and why I voted for him) is because it looks like he's put more thought into the mechanics of this mafia game in particular... thinking about how the Godfather can use covering, about weather, etc.
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On July 04 2009 12:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2009 10:30 L wrote: First impressions, midway through page 8: HeavOn is 100% right about the likely hood of one of us being GF compared to him. His chance is a straight 1/38, ours are much higher.
That said, that was the exact same reasoning we used to almost get randombum into mayor during mafia 2 (LOL WAY TO GO INACTIVE MAFIA MEMBERS). We got him pardoner instead, which ended up netting us some info, so I'd suggest people vote the person they're most comfortable with. I personally can't favor the math here because I know i'm 100% innocent, which forces me to favor my candidacy.
As for one of us three being GF, I can see mafia advancing GF to take DT checks and establish a fake circle of trust, but GF isn't a standard mafia member in this game. He has a straight KP and Cover, which might FAR outweigh the risk/reward of getting into office, but it seems to me from my initial analysis that that's not the case. Either way, even if its favorable, most players play suboptimally in all mafia games, so it wouldn't be surprising if the GF wasn't running.
The reason WHY pre-running was removed is that it gives the pre-running player a much lower risk of getting in, and the move is made pre-role distribution which means that their candidacy gives us nearly zero information.
Moving onto page 9 now. This is gonna be like learning Santa Claus isn't real all over again (hope I didn't spoil anyone), but the people who run these games don't usually assign the roles in a perfectly random way. They usually make sure a total noob doesn't become GF, for example, and the GF is usually randomized around until it lands on a player who is at least somewhat experienced, which fits all three people running. Don't forget that a player who announces their candidacy before the election can always pull out after the game starts if they roll blue and don't want to draw attention to themselves, or are green and would rather a blue win, or are red and don't want to get checked or have the cover on them all game long (for any of these reasons they could come up with some excuse not related to the game). Any GF who started running before receiving their role would certainly yell "jackpot!" and stay in the race. Heavonearth's chances of being GF are certainly higher than 1/38, and, all things considered, probably not very different compared to L's or BC's.
Oh, I know that. We've had the godfather being re-randomized outing before.
Either way, 1/possible players is quite a bit less than 1/role induced candidacy. Doesn't really matter either way because he dropped out of the race. We can actually deduce rather quickly that Heav0n is unlikely to be a mafioso or pledge if he decided to run seriously. The fact that he pulled out and made a really shitty set of clue interpretations works against him.
Speaking of being active, I have a habit of voting late. When does the current day end? I'll assume July 6th 0:00 KST?
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huh well this is kind of lame. I just read everything and there isn't much to comment on. The only semi decent clue link was pyrr like 4 posts up about BC/Chaoser and food/rekrul. But those both suck ass anyway. Heavon dropped out so it looks like our two main candidates are BC and L. But yeah, I am going to wait until I see a voting time frame before casting mine, L's insanity could be hard to read in office and BC's experience could be annoying to determine alignment so by the end of this I might just be coin tossing. I figure this game I might as well practice some clue analysis though so after day two I will probably start posting some stuff that hopefully doesn't suck.
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On July 04 2009 16:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: huh well this is kind of lame. I just read everything and there isn't much to comment on. The only semi decent clue link was pyrr like 4 posts up about BC/Chaoser and food/rekrul. But those both suck ass anyway. Heavon dropped out so it looks like our two main candidates are BC and L. But yeah, I am going to wait until I see a voting time frame before casting mine, L's insanity could be hard to read in office and BC's experience could be annoying to determine alignment so by the end of this I might just be coin tossing. I figure this game I might as well practice some clue analysis though so after day two I will probably start posting some stuff that hopefully doesn't suck.
bolding the important part.
For voters, do you want someone whos experienced and NOT insane, or someone whos unpredictable, and insanely hard to read (also the same guy who protected a confirmed mafia while medic last game).
It comes down to that for who you should vote for.
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All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.
I tried to bold the parts that stood out for me as extra info that didn't add anything to the story but could be seen as clues and I tried to italic the parts that said something about the diffirent mafia members. With red hearrings in there and little to act on day 1 is to early to hunt for clues really, but I am gonna try to use this for further reference.
At first BC seemed like the logical choice to vote in as Mayor, but the strange 'conversation' he had with Heavenonearth a few pages back worried me a little bit. All of sudden they went from arguing that one of them three (L, BC or Heavenonearth) had to be the godfather to one (Heavenonearht) of the two supporting the other (BC). I'll abstain for now, but probably change my vote later on, with L being the best candidate for me right now.
I agree that fog is the best choice for the first day, but I don't agree with spamming throughout the entire game. For now I voted fog though.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Three things. 1) Don't bother voting sunny redtooth. Assassins can't attack until the second night ie if you vote in sunny you'll be wasting your weather choice for the day. 2) Contrary to what I said to one of the Mystics earlier, and possibly more of you, this is what I typed up in the game rules for the Mystic
Mystic You have the gift of being able to determine who is a member of the Mafia. However, you are old, and cannot use your abilities indefinitely. You have three different abilities you may choose from each day. You can only activate one of them per day. You may PM me asking about the number of Mafia who voted for a particular person to be lynched (not elected) three times total. I will PM you back the number of Pledges who are on that list. You may PM me asking about weather a particular person is a member of the mafia three times throughout the game. I will PM you back either "Yes" or "No". You may PM me asking whether a particular clue links to a specific person as many times as you wish throughout the game. I will PM back either "Yes" or "No".
When do I activate my ability? Please PM Plexa with your selected choice of ability during the Day. I was wondering why there was a loophole when pmd that Mystics can use their ability at night (hence allowing free checks during the night). This explains it nicely I had my own rules wrong. The above still holds so I hope those of you I fed misinformation read this. 3) The weather votes are a good indicator of activity in this game. Roughly 50% have voted atm.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Plexa, when exactly is the day going to end at? And what is your plan about dealing with inactives?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
When exactly is around 24 hours from now. The reason day has been extended is because when i last checked the two candidates were locked at 50% a piece. Many players have abstained and there are still some to report in - there is sufficient confusion to justify the extra time. My plan to deal with inactives is to do nothing. I'm not going to modkill anyone. I will probably mass pm everyone when a new day posts arrives but that is the extent to which i will deal with this.
On July 03 2009 21:43 Plexa wrote: Please cast your vote here for the role of Emperor. Voting will close, at most, 48 hours from now. If I can see that a clear consensus has been reached then voting could end sooner. Dno how I could make it clearer other than actually spilling out the time and day
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People shouldn't be drive-by voting when people are bitching in-thread about activity. That goes for everyone that voted. If you aren't posting here and toss a vote into the vote thread, just pop in and go "i voted xyz because abc".
But more importantly; What, exactly, should DTs be doing post check? Should they out themselves to the person they checked? I don't mind them outing themselves to me because I know i'm legit, but they don't. They can't, either. They can't post in-thread about it without putting a big 'fuck me in the face first night plz" target on themselves. They can't really do much at all besides raise a flag if a pledge or mafioso was running, and we already have a massive deterrent against that set-up in the proposed DT checks.
As for tomorrow onwards, the emperor can be covered to mafia too.
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L, much like you I know im legit.
The dt's if they check one of us, must either take the chance on us, or wait till later. It all determines on how the dts should act.
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Well, that's the thing, as high an opinion of ourselves as we have, we can't assume they know as much as we do, especially since we've all agreed that GF running wouldn't be a bad idea.
So if they can't be assumed to come out into the open, the checks today essentially do nothing more than prevent a later check from being switched with cover, because the threat of checks itself has been here for around a day and no pledge/mafioso would run.
Which is why I'm wondering what the fuck DTs should do.
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