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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Town is in utter chaos. Massive finger pointing at almost every suspect possible. Reading things out of context. Drawing implications out of the air from the slightest behaviour changes. All assumptions without any solid evidence. We're basically unable to agree on anything. Someone comes up with a long post and boom I'm now a suspect. But I guess Teks you've done a damn good job on me. Well I'm trying my best to avoid this massive finger pointing, any real accusations I make (such as this one on you), I make after long consideration and a lot of reading. If this accusation is inaccurate, I'm sorry, there is no way for me to be sure of anything before they are dead. :/ And this "solid evidence" you speak of, what would that be? Clues? Too early to point out a sure clue at this point imo. Just see what happened to Jayme that everyone was so sure of. Voting patterns? Everyone has agreed on every vote we have had up until now. Nothing to read there. What remains is behavior, which I have done my best to objectively view in the eyes of a mafia, and it all came together. If that isn't strong enough proof for you, I'm sorry. I don't know what else I could have done, really. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Teks, do you think you're so good that if I were a GF I'd pick people off your list? Your analysis has barely any good content and usually you're just restating other peoples points. I don't think I'm good at all. This is my first game, I'm just trying to be productive and helpful. I know that this is basically a list of other people's points, that's what makes a case. I can't invent points other people have said before me, but they still count. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Why would a GF kill people you suspect? If anything if I were a GF I'd leave them alive because I know they are green, and if you were town of course you'd be in shit trying to figure out if they're green and I could kill off others. You'd leave them alive because you know they are green OR blue. You can't know that they aren't important to the town. If you believed that I was a medic, my suspect list would be a good place to start picking victims, because I'm not very likely to protect them. Is it a coincidence that 2 of the 4 people I said I suspected died that night, and the third could also be on that list? Possibly. There's no way to be sure, the point is that it all adds up. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Why would I think you're a medic? Wouldn't I ask who do you trust rather than who do you suspect? It's true I've been asking about people's suspicions, I won't lie. The reason I think you picked people off of my list is because you thought I was a medic. I don't know why you would think that, but it was the option that made sense when I thought about why you're asking me these questions. Asking who I trust wouldn't give the same results, even if I trust someone they're not necessarily likely to get hit, or likely for me to protect. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: I asked you guys a question, you answered it. If you asked me a question, I answered it too. Teks you never asked me anything, and you're suspicious so why do I have to keep the PMs going? You're the one who PMed me out of the blue, suddenly asking those questions, then after getting answers, not talking to me again. If you think I'm suspicious, why would you even talk to me at all? It's possible that this is how you play the game, by PMing many different people to try to understand where they stand and what they think. If this is the case, I'm sure I'm not the only one you have been talking to in PM. This would be a good time for other people to confirm this, did anyone else receive similar questions? On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Okay, I admit my mistake there. I still disagree with the vigi plan because of how hard it is to orchestrate it. And yes if you were wondering, in past mafia's people had names. No I am not against a confirmed townie, because I suggested the DT-Rolecheck idea, and I listed pros and cons for all 3 ideas. I didn't say you were against a confirmed townie, but that you were against a confirmed townie through that method (the vigi plan). The DT-Rolecheck idea is in another league, as you were basically stating that you wanted to act as the mouthpiece, which would obviously be in favor of the mafia if you were to be the godfather. As a mafia associated player, you would be opposed to getting a confirmed townie except if that townie were to be you. If your DT rolecheck plan was legit it would seem alot more sincere if you had suggested to organize a town vote on who the mouthpiece was going to be, instead of just stating that you wanted to do it. And btw, maybe we can stop calling the medic and vigi plans for.. well, plans. They're not really plans because there will always be an element of luck involved. It was more in the likes of "if these things happen, it would be great", not "hey let's do this", except for the part where we encourage the vigi's to message a few people before hitting their target(s). On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Here is what I said: Page 8. I was in support of the medic plan, in fact I wanted that plan first before using my DT-rolecheck plan. Just to be clear, I quoted you on that too, you make it seem like I left it out. Anyway, I got the feeling that you were so opposed to the chances of us getting a medic block, and you didn't even mention that vigi's can't hit on day 1, so to me you were basically saying WHEN we are done trying the medic plan. You're saying you were in support of the medic plan? Doesn't seem that way to me. 1) You're saying this: "Nowhere does it say that the medic will know the role of the person he has saved." 2) Then, you go on to state this: "as a medic in previous games myself, it's pretty hard to judge who is going to get hit every night" 3) "Also, in the less likely case of saving a mafia from a vigi - the medic may mistrust the saved mafia for a good guy." You're right, you did point out all the flaws. You just didn't point out the good things about it. That being that the first night is vigi free, and that a vigi (hopefully) would state in the thread that he was blocked after making a hit, so that no medic's would trust the one who was protected. Normally, this wouldn't be a big deal, but for an experienced player, I would have expected you to point these things out. Ok, I shouldn't have said "denied the whole idea", that was exaggerating. Sorry. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: As for my pitch for mayor: If I were mafia do you know how dangerous it would be for me to run for mayor that late? First I'd be sticking my head out for suspect and second I'm probably not going to win. If I had pleaded my case for mayor earlier (around when JeeJee or Shikyo did theirs) I think I'd have a legit shot for a spot. I ran for mayor so town can see other options: I never expected to win at all. How could I win when I had my election speech as first post? I wasn't involved until page 8 when things have already boiled up. Any mafia who wanted in at that point was going to have to stick their head out. As I said early in the thread, I would think that the mafia would take time to organize before running for mayor. And there are always late candidates, it can't be expected that people will be online at the exact time the game starts. There were candidates after you as well (.. I think?  ), that doesn't necessarily mean that person is red. If I was unclear in my original post, I'll try to state it clearer this time: I don't think that any person joining the election race is mafia. But there would be many reasons for mafia to join in that late. That's all.Why don't you find me someone who suggested lynching an inactive AND with clues pointing to them? People were agreeing on me because I came up with the idea, while people like you only thought of lynching based on inactivity OR clues. I believe you when you say that you came up with the idea, my point was that it's explanatory. Oh, is inactivity+clues better than just inactivity or just clues? Who would have thought. I guess no one mentioned it because they didn't think it was necessary to state something that obvious. At that point, we hadn't even started (seriously) analyzing the clues. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: I'm placed on all the medic lists because I am trusted by the town. My suggestion for therapy was a reply to BWDero when he wanted a name out there - so I gave him one. And Shikyo was pretty quick to support me without any reason. You're placed on all the medic lists because you are active, and active people are good for the town. Just like me. For instance, Jimtudor was on the medic lists, yet many people didn't trust him. He was on my list as well, and I said to you in PM that I didn't trust him yet. The point is that active people are better to protect than inactive ones. Why Shikyo supported you isn't up to me to respond to, but for the record, I agreed on you at that point too. It was the best idea at that time, which probably says a lot about how little we had to go on at that time. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Trying to protect Shikyo while attacking me at the same time? Busted? ^^ Nah, I was just remembering someone using the same phrase I was going to use, "posting a lot of fluff and no real content". Yes. Was this not what you meant? Because the quote I used was in the middle of the discussion of the medic list. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: I didn't lie. I will admit to this mistake that I missed the veteran possibility. If this is enough to warrant me guilty then so be it, but that was just my misunderstanding. Ok. I probably shouldn't have said lied, but you were so sure in your case that the two possibilities you brought up were "obviously" the only scenarios. You being an experienced player, it's weird that you didn't think of a veteran hit. Of course, this alone isn't any proof, anyone can forget something or post too hastily. But it all adds up, which is what I'm getting at. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: What have chaoser, Judge, Shikyo figured out that I didn't say in my own plan? Do tell. I was the first person to bring up the godfather possibility. They encouraged DT's NOT to roleclaim to you, because they didn't want to take that chance. You, on the other hand, was obviously willing to take it (which would also make sense if you were townie aligned, I'll give you that). The fact that you brought up the godfather possibility doesn't mean that you aren't one. If you hadn't mentioned it, you would have been called on it right away. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: I don't give a FLAMING FUCK if I'm removed from the medic list. The medic list meant shit from day 1. It's just a stupid list of who posts the most (see the correlation of most posts -> medic list? I do too!). I didn't feel ANY safer than I would be not on the medic list. Wow. Strong words! Anyway, if that's how you feel I guess we all agree on removing you from the medic list then. If you are green or blue, the mafia will probably use this opportunity to try to take down one of the most active players in this thread, since you probably won't be protected tonight. At this point, if you make it through the night, I'm afraid the suspicion on you won't be any less. I'm sure you also know that. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: If you look at teks arguments with quotes on me, he chooses the stuff he wants to quote, and leaves out the rest because it contradicts his arguments. Read my posts again and you'll see different than what he has posed. That wasn't my intention at all, and I'm sorry you took it that way. This time I have made sure to quote everything you said. I didn't quote EVERYTHING you wrote because that would be too much irrelevant information, like I said, you did post alot of fluff. I was trying to pick out the important parts of all your posts. You pointed out one of my contradictions, I'll give you that. Sometimes I use too strong words. I too will join in on your encouragement: Read his posts again. By all means, read the whole thing if that helps you guys take a stand in this matter. Believe it or not, but this isn't some devious plan to frame you. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: Lol and the cherry on top: the ultimatum to everyone. By the time you get lynched it'd be night 4, and if you are TOWN like you say you are, then we'd probably have hit 0 mafia till then, which is pretty much game over. I don't want to be lynched. I was stating that not as an ultimatum, but to say that I believe in my case, and to state that I am indeed risking myself by accusing you, someone who actually fights back, as opposed to the inactive ones we have been lynching. If I manage to sway people to believe me, getting you lynched followed by you turning green/blue, I'm sure people won't be happy with me. And I wouldn't blame them for that, this was my goal after all. They will surely think that I am red, and make clue connections all over the place. If that is what the town sees fit at that point, so be it. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: What are you trying to pull an iloveKTF? Except you're smarter than him I admit. You're not going to go down that easily right? You're going to "take responsibility" on a failed lynch, rather than requesting a mod kill. You're just trying to make it seem like you have nothing to lose, putting your life on the line, empathizing with the majority of the town. I'm not trying to pull anything, and I won't request a mod kill. I just wrote it the way I saw it, these are serous accusations being made to an active and experienced player. If I'm wrong I'll take responsibility for my errors. That's all I'm saying. If it makes you feel better, how about this: If zeks dies and he is not red, please don't lynch me even though I was fighting for this case. Try to understand why I came to my conclusion, then choose whether or not you think I'm red. On May 23 2009 22:51 zeks wrote: That ends my rebuttal for teks. If you want me to cover anything I didn't, by all means feel free to call me out again. I will be following up with my clue analysis later on today or tomorrow, and I assure you, mine will be WAY MORE spectacular than what teks has told you. Phew, finally done answering. There's not really anything else I can bring up at this point, except that I'm looking forward to seeing your clue analysis, especially after your promise on it being WAY MORE spectacular. Can't wait | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 18 2009 23:13 teks wrote: I saw in the other mafia game going on that they were talking about rolechecking the losers of the election, as it would be a big chance that atleast one of them would be mafia. Interesting that you were the first person to bring this up way back on day 1. Let's assume for a second that at least one of the candidates that ran for office in our game is mafia (a relatively reasonable assumption). Now all that's left is to figure out who it is. Say zeks is indeed mafia like everyone is claiming. What does he have to gain from killing JimTudor the first night? Only the fact that a townsperson is dead. zeks has played in past mafia games so we know he is not a first timer and has some idea of what's going on. It is very common to rolecheck and suspect losers of the election. If he killed JimTudor during the night, that would make him prime suspect for this case (as we have just seen). Honestly what a stupid move on his part. He kills the competition (JimTudor was suspected by many many people), now he's the only one left that looks suspicious. Do you think zeks is this stupid (gj crate)? Seems unlikely. Let's consider the other alternative. Shikyo is mafia. He is a smart man, and knows that losers of the election are going to be accused. He decides to kill two birds with one stone. He kills JimTudor the first night, knocking out one of the 'major' candidates for the election. His plan is then to come out with "evidence" against zeks. Although he has not directly said it, Shikyo is basically saying "one of the candidates for election has to be mafia. Well, it's not me, I don't think it's JeeJee. JimTudor is dead. Oh! Must be zeks!" Perhaps he was going to come out with this plan right away on day 2. Unfortunately there was such a bandwagon for killing Jayme that seemed like it wouldn't get overturned. Shikyo decides, alright we can sack Jayme since we know he's clean. As soon as night rolls around I can start the plan against zeks. What do you think is more likely? zeks the stupid mafia or Shikyo the mastermind? | ||
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United States3241 Posts
On May 22 2009 12:41 JeeJee wrote: My main problem with lynching Jayme is that when the wagon started, there was no voices to stem the tide or shift the suspicion on someone else. Like, literally, 0. This town shouldn't agree on anything unanimously, because like 1/4 of the people here are mafia. I wouldn't be surprised (I'm expecting it in fact) if Jayme flips an apathetic townie. So far the two lynches we have, Jayme and Therapy, both seemed to be a complete bandwagons, with NO mafia interference. Using this idea, we can create a list of players who supported both Jayme and Therapy's lynch (basically the whole town) and expect most, if not all, of the mafia to be there. + Show Spoiler + People who voted for Jayme + Show Spoiler + So no fek vx70GTOJudgexv teks motbob Phelix EsbenPM chaoser ydg Koopie Ra.Xor.2 zeks wurm l10f SugiuraMidori Pawsom People who supported the lynching of therapy, or voting of Shikyo/JeeJee which eventually led to the lynching of therapy + Show Spoiler + Shikyo teks softer Knutti EsbenPM l10f Pawsom omG.[RaYnE] clazziquai Therapy Jimtudor JeeJee BWdero ydg iLoveKTF Jayme Ra.Xor.2 crate zeks The_Master Koopie so no fek Taking out all the dead people, the people that appear on both lists are + Show Spoiler + So no fek teks EsbenPM ydg Koopie Ra.Xor.2 zeks l10f Pawsom Of course, the Jayme vote was obvious that it was going to go through, so some of the mafia could have abstained. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
We don't have the time to wait for solid evidence. We don't have the time to just sit around just CLUE ANALYSING. Hey, when was the last time a town won a game based on clue analysis alone? It really is unaccurate and it's extremely easy for mafia to point out potential clues for non-mafias. It's fascinating how you're so experienced but don't realize that we indeed have to analyse the behavior, as it is the best method of catching mafia until something like day 4. Actually, I think it's the best method period. It's cool if you don't mind being off the medic list. Maybe I'll just make it clear that I don't want medics to protect you. Is that better? It seems like in your argument with teks, you do your best to correct unimportant things that really don't matter in the long run, like him using a too powerful tone or whatever, but you really just asked stupid rhetorical questions and actually failed to prove anything. But hey, I can't fault you for that, either. It definitely is something I would do if I was mafia. I'd point out the unimportant flaws of my opponent's arguments. It's a good way to sway the attention away from, say, you being the Godfather. That being said, let's see what you'll post about me, now. I think chopping those quotes is way too troublesome so I'll just quote all of it at once. On May 23 2009 23:26 zeks wrote: Now that I've dealt with teks, let's deal with Shikyo's argument deconstruction. Why were you so quick on lynching therapy? Oh, as I recall, you were the one who dropped the axe on him? No one even slightly challenged my case to lynch therapy. I was hoping for other options to be out there, but no one said anything. This by all means doesn't mean I'm not taking responsibility for his death. If the DT rolechecked me I'd only initially be communicating to that one DT. I agree with you that I haven't been the biggest help lately. But I assure you, and everyone else that it will all change by tonight or tomorrow morning. was a reply to . When have I ever pointed a finger at you? When have I even mentioned your name in an analysis? What part of is directed at you, Shikyo? Why do you think I'm talking about you when I say mafia? Stop pulling random implications out of what I'm saying. I've said to "read my posts as they are". You want to play with "time"? Sure, two can play that game. May 22 2009 21:43 - May 22 2009 23:06 - Do the math, 23:06- 21:43. Less than fucking 2 hours. Sorry if I'm not 24/7 devoted to this game, and a rebuttal less than 2 hours later is not good enough for you. Stop using such backhanded tactics to incriminate me. I never said Jim was a good hit enough to warrant 2 hits - you can try to quote me on it. I never said it was suspicious for you to put him on the list - you can try to quote me on that too. All I am saying is that the option of a mafia putting Jim on his/her medic list is totally probable. I never directed anything at you, so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Read my posts as they are. See why are you so stuck up that you think I'm targeting you? I'll repeat it once more. All I said in that exchange was that the option of a mafia putting Jim on his/her medic list is totally probable. Don't make it look like I'm against you now. Although you've built up quite a case on me (or at least had a good attempt to), I'm not going to start going finger-pointing-crazy. I didn't contribute that much for the night 2 lynch, and I admit my fault. But I assure the town that after you read my analysis that I will have for tonight (12 hours) tomorrow (24 hours) there will be no doubt of my contributions. If anyone wants me to clarify anything I've said I'm very willing to now as I am now forced into a defensive position. First of all, sorry about saying "being silent for a while", it was meant for more of the storytelling rather than using it to accuse you of something. Oh, you meant the "never to be seen again"? Yes, that was before these last few posts of you. I indeed meant that the convo was in those last few quotes, that I quoted after I had said that. I thought it was apparent Was I really that unclear with what I meant? I wonder if someone else was so confused about this. It was really important, after all, so it definitely is worth mentioning. Right? That wasn't actually even my mistake, you just happened to misread. I know what "Mafia may want to have a mixed list maybe? Would mafia want to make the whole medic list full of mafia?" was a response to. Hey, didn't you just say to not read your posts out of context? And then you tell to read them how they are? No, I won't read how they are. I will look in between the lines. Indeed, if teks is defending my decision to put Jimtudor on the list, and then asks how it would benefit the mafia to put their target on the list, and then you come up with an answer(that makes no sense, I think you forgot to address how stupid your suggestion is), it implies that you think it's possible that I did it as mafia after all. Reading posts in the right context, weren't you advocating that yourself? To me, a terrible, forced suggestion like that in that context makes it seem like you're trying to find some way to make me it seem like I could make that decision as mafia, implying again that it's possible, even likely, that I'm mafia. But hey, maybe I'm reading it all wrong and your brain just stopped functioning as you posted that. That definitely is possible, as well. It's not a random implication, it definitely is justified. Do you know why it's justified? It seems like you forgot something important. It was none other than I who personally made the final medic list. Of course it implies I'm mafia if you say that mafia could have put him on the medic list and try to find justification for it? That's like saying "This game's host is doing a great job!" and then asking you to quote me ever saying that "Pyrrhuloxia is doing a great job". If you didn't catch it, it means the same thing. Maybe I should ask my English teacher if there indeed is an implication there? Seems like you based the mayority of your argument around that implication that I see there. That makes me happy, it means that your case for defending yourself must be pretty weak. And how can you call it random? I'm sure you've read my explanation numerous times by now. And haha, you didn't seem to understand the main point about that post of mine and the one after it, did you? Well, it is that it actually is NOT totally probable or intelligent for Mafia to put Jimtudor on their medic lists. Why? People WERE casting suspicion on him. It would have been really simple to go along with that and take him off the list, maximizing the chance of hitting him. Your arguments are dead wrong. That's the point. Hey zeks, was this your defense? Because you are doing an abysmal job with it. Oh, and "I will post something in x days" is the oldest trick in the book. I partially agree with zeks quoting the post by JeeJee, but I think I'm going to post some more accurate directions for the medics later on. For now, don't protect zeks  | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 24 2009 03:44 Foolishness wrote: Interesting that you were the first person to bring this up way back on day 1. Let's assume for a second that at least one of the candidates that ran for office in our game is mafia (a relatively reasonable assumption). Now all that's left is to figure out who it is. Say zeks is indeed mafia like everyone is claiming. What does he have to gain from killing JimTudor the first night? Only the fact that a townsperson is dead. zeks has played in past mafia games so we know he is not a first timer and has some idea of what's going on. It is very common to rolecheck and suspect losers of the election. If he killed JimTudor during the night, that would make him prime suspect for this case (as we have just seen). Honestly what a stupid move on his part. He kills the competition (JimTudor was suspected by many many people), now he's the only one left that looks suspicious. Do you think zeks is this stupid (gj crate)? Seems unlikely. Yes that is a reasonable assumption that zeks would know that he would be a suspect. But also consider what I said and what they were discussing in the other game, rolechecking the losers. I'm sure I don't have to remind you that the godfather is immune to rolechecks. After rolechecking and disregarding zeks, the way to suspecting the elected people - Shikyo and JeeJee, would be much shorter than if they had to work through Jimtudor as well. And to the mafia, I'm sure this town would seem gullible enough to believe that zeks isn't the GF, and with no clues leading to him on day 1, they could be feeling safe that he wouldn't be found out. Either that, or maybe he just saw this as a good chance to get rid of Jimtudor before he got to prove his innocence, because he could have been a useful person to the town. By the way, did noone read through my clue analysis? Was it that useless?  | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
First... I want to thank teks for that well laid out clue analysis, and even noting things that I had not researched.. really nice job.. just be careful the mafia doesn't get too scared of you and remove you from assisting us :/ Second... chaoser's word choices in this post stood out to me as being distant from the town, as if he was a mafia himself: I've been active, that's the most I can do. I've offered a timetable on how much time we have, I've helped with clue analysis, I've voted. But I'm not an elected official. As an elected official you're suppose to be the HEAD OF THE TOWN. YOU ARE IN A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP. That means thinking of a game plan, branching out and trying to start up a web. Try to get in touch with a mouth. We either had a vet hit once or a medic protecting someone that first day. Those people, if they have found a mouth, should obviously work with the elected officials. The officials should be actively trying to set up a web. If you had a DT working with you guys this lynch could have been prevented. Seriously, in every other game with elected roles, the elected roles have been the MOST active. You are leaders, it's about time you acted like one. Personally.. I would have indicated more 'ownership' to the leaders being our leaders for the town. Now I can't match and clues to him beyond what I've already done... but I've been trying to look at how different people use their grammar and find things that stand out..Of the others I've skimmed, he stood out the most.. Just my two-cents, take it as you please. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
teks, that kind of clue analysis is definitely useful and is a nice format for it. The amount of detail is just kind of... yeah. About lynching Therapy, I wasn't even considering that I would become the mayor. Then when I was just about to go to sleep, I thought "Hmm who is the town for lynching? Therapy seems like the agreed on option, let me send that", and then sent it. It was late at night, and I fell asleep soon afterwards. I'm not sure if Pyrr is allowed to verify this, but my PM I sent to him was something like "Therapy for now, but I might change it later", implying that I was unsure. Unnecessary information, but someone might want to look at that. On May 24 2009 03:44 Foolishness wrote: Interesting that you were the first person to bring this up way back on day 1. Let's assume for a second that at least one of the candidates that ran for office in our game is mafia (a relatively reasonable assumption). Now all that's left is to figure out who it is. Say zeks is indeed mafia like everyone is claiming. What does he have to gain from killing JimTudor the first night? Only the fact that a townsperson is dead. zeks has played in past mafia games so we know he is not a first timer and has some idea of what's going on. It is very common to rolecheck and suspect losers of the election. If he killed JimTudor during the night, that would make him prime suspect for this case (as we have just seen). Honestly what a stupid move on his part. He kills the competition (JimTudor was suspected by many many people), now he's the only one left that looks suspicious. Do you think zeks is this stupid (gj crate)? Seems unlikely. Let's consider the other alternative. Shikyo is mafia. He is a smart man, and knows that losers of the election are going to be accused. He decides to kill two birds with one stone. He kills JimTudor the first night, knocking out one of the 'major' candidates for the election. His plan is then to come out with "evidence" against zeks. Although he has not directly said it, Shikyo is basically saying "one of the candidates for election has to be mafia. Well, it's not me, I don't think it's JeeJee. JimTudor is dead. Oh! Must be zeks!" Perhaps he was going to come out with this plan right away on day 2. Unfortunately there was such a bandwagon for killing Jayme that seemed like it wouldn't get overturned. Shikyo decides, alright we can sack Jayme since we know he's clean. As soon as night rolls around I can start the plan against zeks. What do you think is more likely? zeks the stupid mafia or Shikyo the mastermind? Foolishness, that's actually a great point you bring up. Your Shikyo-Is-Mafia obsession aside, that indeed does make sense if zeks is the godfather. Listen to this, people. On May 19 2009 09:09 Shikyo wrote: JeeJee, this argument isn't leading anywhere. His way of talking, albeit odd, wasn't really my main concern. I was just stating what I thought and observed, it's up to you to make out of it what you will. I would also like to propose that DTs rolecheck the losing parties of the elections asap. As was said in the other mafia game, it's likely at least one mafia is attempting to get elected, and so the losing candidates would be ideal targets for the DTs, assuming that no other, higher priority targets come up. This post was written before zeks ran for office, meaning that he knew about my plan all along. Now just imagine that zeks is the Godfather, and think about this scenario: Zeks is the godfather, so he's safe from rolechecks. He notices that we're going to check him if he's not elected. He starts posting really late. He knows he has no chance of winning the elections anymore, but he runs for office anyway. Why is that? He was planning on losing the elections all along. Why did he ask for people to vote for him in so many occassions? He wanted to be considered a prime candidate, someone we indeed should rolecheck after the elections are over, just according to the plan. His DT R/C plans and such all complement this story. This also gives a possible answer to the mysterious, seemingly stupid, hit of Jimtudor as well. He was an obvious third, and he would have been the prime candidate for a DT rolecheck. In fact, he was almost sure to be rolechecked. He'd have been shown as innocent, and the town could have started trusting him. However, zeks wanted to be the one who people see as innocent, so he killed Jimtudor off. It's likely he even used 2 hits against him because he wanted to be sure to take him out. Now, a DT would R/C him according to the plan, see he's an innocent(although he isn't), and the town would give all of their information to him. However, it was not to be. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
SugiuraMidori, you're absolutely correct. That also adds up to his strange, random post in the middle of all kinds of analysis and accusations. I think that he too would be a good choice for a lynch in the coming days. | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 24 2009 04:34 SugiuraMidori wrote: First... I want to thank teks for that well laid out clue analysis, and even noting things that I had not researched.. really nice job.. just be careful the mafia doesn't get too scared of you and remove you from assisting us :/ Yay! I'm so paranoid that I actually think I'm dying every night. I made my clue analysis now instead of tomorrow because in the case that I die tonight, I wouldn't have left anything unsaid. Hopefully I'll live through the night (Hi medics) so that I can keep working on it tomorrow. Day 3 clues should be nice Good going on the distance analysis by the way. I didn't notice that. And yes I SHOULD treat the mafia as distant, since that's what they are to me ^^ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 24 2009 05:00 chaoser wrote: regarding my word choices, i really did mean THEY. I meant the elected. I am not an elected, we are not elected, JeeJee and Shikyo are elected. They are the "they" I talk about. and what random post are yo talking about? the one where I said the elected should do more? I wrote that up last night, and then went to a party before I could post it and when I woke up this morning i posted before i refresh So you're only saying we should do more, when I've spent the last 10 hours typing and checking up the post history? What the fuck? | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
By the way, I propose a new medic list:
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
teks SugiuraMidori vx70GTOJudgexv crate Now, it seems like the list is going to be only 4 names... but I really think it should be longer. Any suggestions? I think that teks should be the highest priority to protect tonight, but everyone shouldn't protect him. It really would be easier to organize if the medics could somehow contact each other. Oh well, let's hope they already have something set up. Don't protect zeks, iLoveKTF, or other suspected mafia. It's pretty obvious why, vigis might want to decide to take action. Tonight is far more important in that aspect than the last night, since now we have to worry about not blocking vigilante hits. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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crate
United States2474 Posts
I'm not sure about compressed air causing a windshield to shatter either. However I haven't had time to think about what zeks has posted yet so I am not jumping to any conclusions right away. | ||
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