We should not take it seriously.
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On May 16 2009 11:47 LTT wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2009 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: aWESOMEEEe 2 hourzzZ? 10:30 is in 10 minutes here ![]() Qatol is in Mountain Time. He decided not to put it in a standard time zone in order to cause as much confusion as possible. Indeed, sultry coin-socks smirk with tree-like booked index belt. Cow petulantly rolls floor bread YES! | ||
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On May 16 2009 13:51 Ver wrote: I am running for office! Qualifications: read the past 5 games. Reasons: I don't feel like dying first night again. Mafia know how much of a threat I am regardless of role. Furthermore, I have absolutely no trust in medics to keep me alive after everyone second guessed protting me the last time I was town while one doofus protted the guy I had declared mafia. I don't have anything to say about accountability because I'll make it glaringly obvious that I'm on the town's side. Because being mafia takes so much time I only make the minimum number of posts; when I'm town it's the exact opposite. Mafia will no doubt wish to discredit or ignore me but that will only lead them to their ruin quicker. During the (only?) game in which you died in the first night, were you not part of the mafia? | ||
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On May 16 2009 14:08 Malongo wrote: If plexa is mafia caller is too. From past experience, I say "Don't listen to malongo in the least bit until the night right before either side wins." Let's do that this time around. Out of curiosity (and I haven't read the posts below yours yet: I'm just responding as I go), why Caller? | ||
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On May 17 2009 00:42 Malongo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2009 23:44 LucasWoJ wrote: On May 16 2009 14:08 Malongo wrote: If plexa is mafia caller is too. From past experience, I say "Don't listen to malongo in the least bit until the night right before either side wins." Let's do that this time around. Out of curiosity (and I haven't read the posts below yours yet: I'm just responding as I go), why Caller? If you dont want to listen my posts then dont pm me my buddy. That makes you fishy as hell. Read my PM. Makes perfect sense why I PM'd you and I, nor anyone else, will not listen to you on the forums. lol | ||
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On May 17 2009 01:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2009 15:00 L wrote: Okay. So L is going to do some math because that's what L does. So we have 30 total people, 1 traitor, 6 mafia total, 23 town. Mafia essentially have 7 total voting power maximum, so town auto-loses when they're under 6 people. In the worst possible scenario, mafia kill 3 per day + 1 mislynch (lets ignore double lynches b/c i'm lazy). Essentially townie numbers go 23-Current 19-Tomorrow 15-Next day 11-Day 4 7-Day 5 Add in a missed vig hit or missed double lynches and we can be out of the game by day 5. We're essentially obligated to hit correctly on day 2 or 3 or we're in the shitter. We can't fuck around and pretend that day 2-3 are clue gathering days and that we can float until day 4 and suddenly start knocking people out. What does this mean? ACTIVITY. Don't have anything to say? Think of something. If 5 pages go by and you haven't said anything you are fucking the down in the butt. I have a feeling people have been a postin' so ima post this, read and then post s'more. L BRAH, YOU AINT COUNTING IN MEDIC PROTECTION AND VETS. He was calculating the WORST CASE SCENARIO. In such a case, the town lynches all of the vets and the medics never protect anyone. | ||
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My own views: The candidates thus far: Ver: extremely strong behavior analyzer. He says he doesn't want to die on night 1 AGAIN, but I think that's only happened once, when he was mafia. Caller: urges us not to bandwagon. More of a "fun" player than a "good" one (not to say he isn't the latter, but he clearly plays the game more for enjoyment). BC: wants to be pardoner, based on his self professed skill in clue analysis. That's odd. Showtime: From past experience, he can really screw with mafia, both intentionally and unintentionally. It just works out that way for him. He also screws up the town though. Mynock: Solid platform. His intentions seem good. Nemy: Not really running. to note: tension between showtime/mynock, mikeymoo backs mynock. | ||
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On May 17 2009 02:25 Ace wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I was actually not doing anything because I was playing DOTA all night ![]() As for me, I'll announce my intention to be Mayor/Pardoner now. Besides the fact that I know I'm great at this game, know how to look at the big picture, and know how to read (^_^) let me just point out one more thing: I have the best SAVIOR sense out of anyone in the game. Easily. What this means is I can easily spot a bs bandwagon for an innocent player and follow the trail to mafia, or in other cases explain how a person is innocent or why they shouldn't die. In game 2 when the town wanted to lynch Ghar I professed he was most likely innocent - and he was. In the game where BC got the Village Idiot role and convinced people to lynch mikeymoo who was it that rose to his defense so strongly? me. Because I saw the true meaning behind the scenario. Remember last game? How I once again jumped to JeeJee's defense even though there was "evidence" and a big ass bandwagon against him? Yup, JeeJee was innocent too. How about that time in Tracil's game when I was a medic and saved NatsuTerran(the cop) on Day one with only 1 read of the game and no PMs? ^_^ See guys, I'm good at behavior analysis and seeing the game as one big puzzle. I don't jump to conclusions, I play with my head on straight, and I ALWAYS have a plan. Always. Oh yeah, and I'm usually persuasive. Right now the only candidate I think is right for the town is Mynock. Every game we've played we have been on the exact same page. He thinks just like I do and has an intuition for when there's bullshit afoot. However, Ver and BC would just as well get my vote if that were the only reason. So why then? Read his post: he is the only one that pointed out that the Mayor and Pardoner really are not that different.Whoever is running should be glad to get either so that once they are protected they can do some damage and not just sit around bulletproof. Both of those roles are powerful and the town needs them to win. With all that said, I'm hoping enough people vote for me. We all know how dangerous I can be in office to The Mafia. Ace, I'm almost positive at this point that you are indeed mafia. I'm watching TV right now but I'll be back soon to prove it. | ||
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On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: hey ver how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. @ Tricode: Just so you know, you're derailing the thread without having resolved the nemy "situation." Although your post was made in good humor, please don't do that now. Personally, I'm inclined to think that nemy himself would not be clever enough to have thought of what you proposed, Ver (namely, run for mayor, roleclaim blue when he's really the traitor). I doubt anyone suggested the idea to him, too. If I recall correctly from previous games, nemy is generally not a "late-game player, meaning he does not strive to outlive anyone. To me, he seems to be a retarded blue. | ||
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On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote: On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote: On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: hey ver how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon. Notice I never said his post makes no sense. ^_^ I was pointing out that its brevity will not and cannot help the town. A series of consecutive two or three sentence posts, or even shorter ones, go a long way in derailing the thread, and allow an individual to escape suspicion (actually, all of the people who posted the couple-liners), even when they're not mafia (look at the last game as evidence for this). Second, if nemy's a retarded dt who played very poorly and one that has nothing to offer, I don't see the reason to "need to kill him." Ostensibly, mafia could keep him alive, if he were the DT, because he's a guaranteed lynch the next day (unless you mean he should be the first day lynch). Granted, I have not read your "big post" yet (I'm responding as I go), so I don't know the reasoning nor can I think of anything besides "we cannot possibly be sure, so it's a good lynch either way since he could be mafia, traitor, or a stupid townie." | ||
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On May 18 2009 00:34 Bockit wrote: Now to MTF: Show nested quote + On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote: Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice. And yet you swap from showtime to nemy? What the fuck? EBWOP: This. Both Plexa and MTF's voting behavior are extremely suspicious. I think Plexa was accused earlier in the thread on clues and he has yet to post in this thread. In the earlier games, he was terrific at clue analysis, so there's no reason to evade the thread. His vote confirms that he's aware of the thread and is at least somewhat active, so I can't imagine he hasn't read this thread. On a previous note, if nemy is a green townie, as opposed to a traitor, I think the nemy situation could have been better milked by the town. I remember him stating earlier that he had a plan ("c'mon guys, put a little trust in me..."), so that's clearly rubbish as nothing of the sort has been presented. | ||
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On May 18 2009 02:41 Malongo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2009 01:12 LucasWoJ wrote: On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote: On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote: On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote: On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: hey ver how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon. Notice I never said his post makes no sense. ^_^ I was pointing out that its brevity will not and cannot help the town. A series of consecutive two or three sentence posts, or even shorter ones, go a long way in derailing the thread, and allow an individual to escape suspicion (actually, all of the people who posted the couple-liners), even when they're not mafia (look at the last game as evidence for this). Second, if nemy's a retarded dt who played very poorly and one that has nothing to offer, I don't see the reason to "need to kill him." Ostensibly, mafia could keep him alive, if he were the DT, because he's a guaranteed lynch the next day (unless you mean he should be the first day lynch). Granted, I have not read your "big post" yet (I'm responding as I go), so I don't know the reasoning nor can I think of anything besides "we cannot possibly be sure, so it's a good lynch either way since he could be mafia, traitor, or a stupid townie." Im getting more and more inclined to believe you are mafia. Reasons: - Inconsistency: I posted a clue pointing to plexa (Just after the day post). Your response is to directly call people not to believe me without any real reason. Why? i dont know but the problem is not that you try to discredit me publicly, the problem is you try to discredit me publicly AND privately sent me a pm "asking about my thoughts" and trying to discuss the matter. This is a big fishy tactic if you think a player is wrong or doing something bad you dont go next to him trying to get something from him. - Forced activity: Just a quick read on your posts, copy-pasted infundibulum, mimick Ace, and accused me of acting under reckless emotions. If you read my post its plain that I posted more than calm. However the thing here is Are you really active? - Last thing: You put words in my posts that dont belong there: "need to kill him". I never said that. The good thing is: nobody reads my posts besides you, no Lucaswoj? What is the malongo sense telling you? Am I at the 80% tricode was at in the beginning of last game? Again, you're clearly derailing the thread, lol. I'm going to respond to this and make you look even more retarded after the mayor's been elected. | ||
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that's all I have for now. essentially summarize his weak defense of obviously this points to me being more the traitor or what not, but I'm not... that's all I have for now. on page 18. | ||
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On May 18 2009 05:46 MrBabyHands wrote: I vote for Ace | ||
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On May 18 2009 09:42 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + The G9 Mafia, 1 Year ago I'M ABSTAINING FROM VOTING MAYOR AND IF YOU SIDE WITH TUX I'm KILLING YOU OFF BREAK. I KNOW FOR SURE SD GONNA GIVE ME EITHER THE ELDER ROLE OR THE VIGILANTE ROLE TO EVEN THIS SHIT OUT. TUX IS MAFIA AND IF VERSE SIDING WITH HIM OFF BREAK THEN SHE IS SUSPECT NEW MAFIA PERCENTAGES: TUX:80% NARCI: 65% VERSE: 55% Dip: 20% This all Show nested quote + The G9 Mafia, 1 Year ago TY for letting me know who I am Murking the first night MISS. I take this as you are siding with TUX irregardless of your PG vote. You're dead is hayle sistah. Say goodbye... Townies get roles after mayor voting ends... Why as a mafia would any of you even speak to me at all. New Mafia Percentage list TUX: 85% Narci: 75% Miss: 70% Verse: 65% Dip: 15% Now keep fucking jibba jabbing Show nested quote + The G9 Mafia, 1 Year ago Tux please save it. You are Mafia and probably the godfather too. Never did I say I hope I get townie So thats yoru 5th LIE Keep talking Geezus. Listen I'm late for class I ABSTAIN from the mayoral voting and I will bbl New Mafia Percentages TUX: 92% Narci: 87% MISS: 79% Verse: 75% Outlaw: 50% Dip: 15% Looks familiar doesn't it? Well shit of course it does! Show nested quote + On May 04 2009 17:27 Ace wrote: Versatile and MBH were the only 2 I'd say are good enough to play with TL players. When I modded a game here a few of them from the site played and well they performed miserably. There's another guy from there who I'd try to get to play but he's a...very unorthodox player. One time he made a "mafia % list" where every time someone posted he'd update their % of being mafia (wtf). He was an innocent, and his list had all innocents on it. If you argued with him or called him a dumbass your % would jump by like 20% and he'd vote to lynch you ^_^ Pow Pow Pow! Although I had a lot of time reading that and noticing the similarities, what exactly does this prove? ![]() I'm sure there's been a mafia game somewhere where a mafioso ending one of his posts with "Pow Pow Pow!" or something you may have done. I somehow doubt it's characteristic of a mafioso to have a suspect list that they update regularly. | ||
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On May 18 2009 09:57 Incognito wrote: Why has Ver disappeared all of a sudden...? I don't think he left/disappeared. I'm assuming he's typing up a response to Ace + some other posts, a reply that's probably lengthy. | ||
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On May 18 2009 11:29 Tricode wrote: Mynock, i was curious, why not keep him alive? (For now he maybe the best choice but if we find a better choice to lynch then move onto them.) We can just ignore him and if he is a dt we can try to use his r/c asap. And if Mafia kill him, meh he is going to die anyway right? Hmm, i know there is negative things about doing this, but i am just throwing it out there as just a thought. Thought you were watching a redskins game with family or something. Or is that over? | ||
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On May 19 2009 06:31 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2009 06:25 Caller wrote: L and Ace, why are you guys still fighting? This is a really stupid point-whether or not we should lynch nemy-when we've barely started the game. At least wait until Day 2 and see if any clues point to him before you begin you ballasting of the other... Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize. ^_^ Perhaps because you yourself tell us that you skip any post that does not include your name in it. Not hard to beat those assumptions. You could skim or even glance at your posts and you'd topple the expectations you set for yourself. ^_^ | ||
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On May 18 2009 09:10 Ace wrote: I'd tl:dr your post Ver, but I just masturbated and got a sudden burst of energy. I'll also only address the part of your post directly with my name in it, since if a post doesn't include my name I skip it. Show nested quote + Ace is taking this too far. He had his rope. He had his opportunity to go appear innocent. And he hung himself on it. It is not in the town's interests to lynch Nemy. Because here's the thing, we don't want to lynch the traitor. The traitor has no ACTUAL power. The traitor's only power is influence and words. He can cause mass chaos. But if we know who the traitor is, he is POWERLESS. Nemy is not mafia unless he is a sacrifice. That means we have no reason to lynch him! Yet Ace is going all out trying to get this. Look at this from a behavior standpoint: Mafia are the ones who are this aggressive. See RoL and Attackzerg trying to get Ace lyched/discredited in BC's first game. Now for a direct comparison: remember when Ace defended mikeymoo in Caller's game (Ace was innocent so was Mikeymoo)? He was voracious in defending mikeymoo, but he was not voracious in lynching BC even though BC was full of BS. Yes he wanted BC lynched but he didn't go crazy like he is now. Because that's a sure sign of mafia behavior: being overaggressive to get a lynch. In case anyone wants to relate to the Folca/Ace scenario, that is a completely different thing. Because then Folca roleclaimed with a specific intent to prove something, i,e that Ace was mafia. Thus in that circumstance Ace's logic train is true and the correct choice of action (and he would've done it if he was townie I'm sure). Because if you lynch the accuser you know everything about the accused role. However, now here Nemy just plain roleclaimed. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE LYNCH HIM? WE GET NO BENEFIT. NOTHING. Under the present circumstances there is NO reason to lynch Nemy. Ace you screwed up. This is not Savior sense. This is not to the benefit of the town. And you people who agree with his logic (mikeymoo, bockit), you guys better think through exactly what he's recommending. Game 3 and now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Furthermore, the Ace voting train, you guys are all suspect. You people are clearly trying to push him into mayor over me. Not gonna happen. I'll dissect through suspects in a bit. Sorry - but this is where you fucked up. I've said it plenty of times, I'm aggressive because it's how I feel like being. Whether I'm townie or Mafia I play with a free conscience because I honestly don't think anybody can read anything I do and you've just proven my point. You can also ask Mr.BabyHands - I've played an aggressive townie style before. It's not a Mafia trait at all. Now onto your analysis of nemy. You've failed to point out something significant: The difference between this game and the game with BC was that I pointed out that BC might be the Village Idiot hence we don't even care what happens to him. The real danger is lynching mikeymoo because we have no information about him based on what BC did. This scenario is different as there is no one being accused - this is just a role claim at a bad time. What also makes this different is that unlike when Empyrean claimed DT on Day 1, nemy lied. In Mafia 2 I had no reason to lynch Empyrean as soon as I got Mayor because empyrean only claimed to be a DT and didn't say anything about having a way to prove it. So we just let him be. nemy got caught in a lie. Badly. See the difference? If nemy was a DT that just played his hand wrong we could surely just say ok buddy, no office for you and keep things hush after that. He lied on got caught and that changes everything as an innocent doesn't have to lie to the town on information that would help us greatly. Hell, he STILL hasn't even given it to us and when asked he tried to be cool like me - but failed. Also if nemy is a traitor - of course we lynch him. Do we have a better suspect? I don't think so. If he's a traitor that means he isn't working for the town which means he should die. Simple, really. See how all these scenarios are different? Nothing anyone says can explain why nemy lied. Nothing. So he gets the lynch. As for my vote train - meh. Whats so suspect about it? People know a good candidate when they see one. As for me being buddy/buddy with Mynock - what's the problem? I've supported him in every game I've played and there's no secret about it. I don't even have any clue what his role could possibly be but I've said this so many times - there isn't any reliable way to find out anybody's role right now so I base my votes off of ABILITY. Since I believe Mynock is one of the best candidates I voted for him. go ahead and try to analyze that, you'll end up like Versatile and we see how her logic worked out. So once again I'll state your analysis has FAILED. Based on pure playing ability myself and Mynock should be in office over anyone else, with the exception of maybe BC. Showtime! and Caller do better outside of leadership roles. I'm interested in hearing your retort to this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=25#492 Thanks for helping me find this, LTT ![]() EDIT: Btw, thanks Ace, Qatol, and Caller. | ||
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On May 19 2009 08:36 Ver wrote: The most pressing thing I want to know is how many mafia candidates ran. 0, 1, or 2. Yes, that is quite pressing. I wonder, how do you figure this is even possible without RC'ing the people Ace listed as those who must be looked up? | ||
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On May 19 2009 12:18 Malongo wrote: I still think the day 1 clue points to Plexa. Thank you. How so? Apparently, I might have to post that post I promised after all...malongo's still being stupid. ![]() | ||
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On May 19 2009 13:22 Malongo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2009 12:28 LucasWoJ wrote: On May 19 2009 12:18 Malongo wrote: I still think the day 1 clue points to Plexa. Thank you. How so? Apparently, I might have to post that post I promised after all...malongo's still being stupid. ![]() One year older and still dont learn to shut the fuck up unless you have something relevant to post. One day older, actually. Edit: Btw, storing the quote for the future. If plexa or anyone you ever accuse of being mafia actually turns out red, you'll have nothing but blind stupidity on your part to blame. I've give you countless times to post some reasoning, but you refuse. Maybe it's because you have none (in general). ![]() What clues point to Plexa? | ||
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