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On May 20 2009 09:23 L wrote:Show nested quote +L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it.
L fears you'd pardon dreamflower if we use a double lynch on Ace/Dreamflower day 3 after killing Ver today. And that would be 100% logical if you're mafia because confirming yourself would do nothing: You'd already be the target of the double lynch. I've explained this to you twice.
But you keep ignoring this other fact: Who said I feel like pardoning dreamflower? Dream flower has not been confirmed as OBVIOUSLY Mafia so your point is moot. If I pardoner her in that instance then you have every right to get rid of me. But that hasn't happened now has it?
Stop thinking of worst case scenarios and LOOK at what we know.
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On May 20 2009 09:21 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 09:11 Incognito wrote:
@ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think? I trust Ace more at this point because Ace hasn't done anything fishy in my opinion. I don't like the way he's going after Ver but I can't deny I've had some suspicions about Ver as well. Right now I suspect that Ace isn't mafia and is pushing that hard because of it. However, I'm still not convinced that Ver is mafia either. Then we have L and BC complicating things even further. I've got to believe that at least one of the four are mafia. I said that three BLUES are way beyond coincidence FOR ME. What I think is that someone has gotten themselves really close to powerful people behind the scenes and is using it to fish out really good information.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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On May 20 2009 09:25 L wrote:
Also, its quite possible both of you are dirty. The only person who would know otherwise would be you, so you can't assume people know you're innocent without roleclaiming or some shit.
I told you guys I was a green townie.
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Scamp, ace has done plenty of fishy things, hense why he was getting accusations of being red day one, i mean hell, look at all the vote swapping to him during the last few hours of the election
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On May 20 2009 09:25 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 09:21 Scamp wrote:On May 20 2009 09:11 Incognito wrote:
@ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think? I trust Ace more at this point because Ace hasn't done anything fishy in my opinion. I don't like the way he's going after Ver but I can't deny I've had some suspicions about Ver as well. Right now I suspect that Ace isn't mafia and is pushing that hard because of it. However, I'm still not convinced that Ver is mafia either. Then we have L and BC complicating things even further. I've got to believe that at least one of the four are mafia. I said that three BLUES are way beyond coincidence FOR ME. What I think is that someone has gotten themselves really close to powerful people behind the scenes and is using it to fish out really good information. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
hey man why you hating on my swagger?
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On May 20 2009 09:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Scamp, ace has done plenty of fishy things, hense why he was getting accusations of being red day one, i mean hell, look at all the vote swapping to him during the last few hours of the election
um...what? That says NOTHING about me but about the people voting for me. LOL wow you are WAY off on that one.
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Know what we're missing?
Useless posts by RebirthOfLegend.
Wonder what happened.
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On May 20 2009 09:25 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 09:23 L wrote:L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it.
L fears you'd pardon dreamflower if we use a double lynch on Ace/Dreamflower day 3 after killing Ver today. And that would be 100% logical if you're mafia because confirming yourself would do nothing: You'd already be the target of the double lynch. I've explained this to you twice. But you keep ignoring this other fact: Who said I feel like pardoning dreamflower? Dream flower has not been confirmed as OBVIOUSLY Mafia so your point is moot. If I pardoner her in that instance then you have every right to get rid of me. But that hasn't happened now has it? Stop thinking of worst case scenarios and LOOK at what we know.
Oh wow, playing stupid again.
Let me lay this out for you.
I want you to die now because I believe you and ver in death will offer up at minimum 1 mafia and dreamflower's pretty much in the bag, netting us a drop in KP. What order do I want you to die in?
LET US EXAMINE:
Ver / Aceflower
v
Ace / Verflower
Scenario 1. If you are mafia, you ALWAYS FUCKING PARDON AS YOU DIE. you're saying "well, I wouldn't because that would confirm me but YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. YOU'RE TRADING USELESS INFORMATION FOR -1 LYNCH.
If you aren't, you die without pardoning.
Scenario 2.
same people die, no threat of pardon.
THIS IS SO FUCKING SIMPLE. THE PARDONER CAN GET WHOMEVER HE'S BEING DOUBLE LYNCHED WITH OFF THE HOOK. EVEN IF DREAMFLOWER IS NOT MAFIA, YOU WOULD PARDON.
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On May 20 2009 09:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 09:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Scamp, ace has done plenty of fishy things, hense why he was getting accusations of being red day one, i mean hell, look at all the vote swapping to him during the last few hours of the election um...what? That says NOTHING about me but about the people voting for me. LOL wow you are WAY off on that one.
Eh, last minute mass vote swapping is one thing that could indicate guilt. I'm not saying its 100%, but its not like its a ploy mafia wouldn't use or convince.
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On May 20 2009 09:30 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 09:25 Ace wrote:On May 20 2009 09:23 L wrote:L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it.
L fears you'd pardon dreamflower if we use a double lynch on Ace/Dreamflower day 3 after killing Ver today. And that would be 100% logical if you're mafia because confirming yourself would do nothing: You'd already be the target of the double lynch. I've explained this to you twice. But you keep ignoring this other fact: Who said I feel like pardoning dreamflower? Dream flower has not been confirmed as OBVIOUSLY Mafia so your point is moot. If I pardoner her in that instance then you have every right to get rid of me. But that hasn't happened now has it? Stop thinking of worst case scenarios and LOOK at what we know. Oh wow, playing stupid again. Let me lay this out for you. I want you to die now because I believe you and ver in death will offer up at minimum 1 mafia and dreamflower's pretty much in the bag, netting us a drop in KP. What order do I want you to die in? LET US EXAMINE: Ver / Aceflower v Ace / Verflower Scenario 1. If you are mafia, you ALWAYS FUCKING PARDON AS YOU DIE. you're saying "well, I wouldn't because that would confirm me but YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. YOU'RE TRADING USELESS INFORMATION FOR -1 LYNCH. If you aren't, you die without pardoning. Scenario 2. same people die, no threat of pardon. THIS IS SO FUCKING SIMPLE. THE PARDONER CAN GET WHOMEVER HE'S BEING DOUBLE LYNCHED WITH OFF THE HOOK. EVEN IF DREAMFLOWER IS NOT MAFIA, YOU WOULD PARDON.
But you keep ignoring the fact we lose BOTH powerful offices in your rabid scenario. Find BETTER alternatives to come up with reasons to lynch insteado f "oh shit I googled Ace it links to some shitty woodshit I know nothing about GG fuckface!"
Do better.
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Ace, how about he uses this instead
fishball had a rake stuff up his ass, this means he prob died crying, so it ended in tears.
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On May 20 2009 09:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ace, how about he uses this instead
fishball had a rake stuff up his ass, this means he prob died crying, so it ended in tears.
win
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L, why is dreamflower in the bag? I did suspect her in the beginning...but that was off some shoddy behavior and some clue analysis that is probably wrong. A day 2 clue analysis doesn't do much better...
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BOTH powerful offices Both offices do nothing for town besides for +2 votes on Ver if he was town aligned which you don't believe. You're just pissy you die under the scenario. You and ver being confirmed as mafia/innocent holds the most possible amount of information for two and both of you are highly suspicious BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.
But okay, I need a better reason.
why don't you look at the post I'm replying to. Your defence was "I wouldn't pardon" and now you realize you're full of shit. Sorry ace, think through your posts before making them.
Vig, please hit him tonight if we dont' lynch him.
L, why is dreamflower in the bag? I did suspect her in the beginning...but that was off some shoddy behavior and some clue analysis that is probably wrong. A day 2 clue analysis doesn't do much better... Behavior, voting pattern, clue analysis and the form of contributions all point towards mafia.
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On May 20 2009 09:51 L wrote: Both offices do nothing for town besides for +2 votes on Ver if he was town aligned which you don't believe. You're just pissy you die under the scenario. You and ver being confirmed as mafia/innocent holds the most possible amount of information for two and both of you are highly suspicious BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. But okay, I need a better reason. why don't you look at the post I'm replying to. Your defence was "I wouldn't pardon" and now you realize you're full of shit. Sorry ace, think through your posts before making them. Vig, please hit him tonight if we dont' lynch him. Show nested quote +L, why is dreamflower in the bag? I did suspect her in the beginning...but that was off some shoddy behavior and some clue analysis that is probably wrong. A day 2 clue analysis doesn't do much better... Behavior, voting pattern, clue analysis and the form of contributions all point towards mafia.
Of course I wouldn't want to die BECAUSE I"M THE FUCKING PARDONER you asshat. Look, you don't even know WHO to lynch because you don't even have a credible case. You want to lynch Dreamflower when Ver is even more suspect, but you'd rather lynch me too in the off case that I'd pardon Dreamflower. So yes, to be "safe" lets kill everyone in the triangle! Brilliant!
I'm the only guy stopping you from making mistakes like the one you're about to make YET you'd still go and do it. I already said SURE it makes sense to kill us both but since we all know ONE of us has to be innocent we don't NEED to kill both roles. THATS why I said DO BETTER and yet you ignore this basic logic. If I die don't be surprised when the town calls for your head.
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ok, you don't even know WHO to lynch because you don't even have a credible case. Yes I do.
You claimed that you wouldn't pardon under the scenario I gave and are now backtracking from it.
You want to lynch Dreamflower when Ver is even more suspect Ah, no, I want to lynch dreamflower AND ver after lynching YOU so we can DOUBLE LYNCH.
I already said SURE it makes sense to kill us both but since we all know ONE of us has to be innocent we don't NEED to kill both roles. You admit my plan makes sense, but say above that I don't know who I'm hitting.
This post is so self contradictory, and has followed such fucking poor play that I'm only getting more convinced that you're in desperation. Lines like
I'm the only guy stopping you are pretty clearly against your cool cucumberness.
So yeah Ace, you're fishy and there's a good way to clear the chaos: Find out who in office was legit and who wasn't. If we knock out both of you we can take a look at the voting record. But I don't even need to explain this, you AGREED TO IT. the part you dislike is the portion wherein you die. Suck it up. Do the town some good.
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Oh, also, if there's a stronger connection than dreamflower developed tomorrow, I really don't mind shifting that hit. I do think the coughing and sneezing motif does link with flowers, though.
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Also, Mynock, start posting more.
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This is just brilliant. And I thought the previous Town was dumb.
BC, you're fishy as fuck. You know, syringes and Showtime!... What? Google showtime and go to the third link on the 2nd Google hit (oh, Google suggest a correction, so press that obv) and scroll down to the third picture from the left and you'll see a syringe in the background? I didn't even bother looking up any of that. You know what the whole BLOODY ordeal reminded me of? A BLOODY COBBLER if anything. But I don't rely on riddles to try to find any connections here. I just look at how you post and what you do. And you're trying to post retarded links out of nowhere. L follows suit because he has a Pardoner fetish and has to somehow deal with his raging hard-on which he had ever since the elections started (has L ever made a post where the word "pardon" appears less than 38 times?)
I found a flaw in my arguments. I'm being too calm and focused here. I have to change that, because people won't understand my points otherwise. I have to do it like Ace, so here goes...
FUCKING LOOK AT VER IDIOTS! What's he doing now? SHIT ALL. The same thing he did last game when he was mafia as well. If we don't lynch Ver tonight I'm gonna fucking PM EVERY GODDAMN Townie after the game, telling them how THEY SUCK and should never ever play a game of Mafia again. 20 PMS AT LEAST! Maybe more...
IF YOU DARE GET DIVERTED FROM YOUR FUCKING MAFIA MAYOR JUST LIKE YOU DID LAST GAME, I WILL FUCKING GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND MURDER YOU!
So, let me get this clear now... Townies vote Ver. If you're a Townie you know you vote Ver. If you're scum, or a paranoid delusional maniac with a Pardoner-fetish you vote whatever else comes to your mind, and we'll deal with that later.
IF VER ISNT MAFIA (or traitor), LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY. If I'm wrong on this one, call me stupid, call me retarded, call me whatever, I'll deserve it.
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So...it seems I chose exactly the wrong afternoon to take a nap, as the thread has exploded in my absence and I seem to be a very popular choice for lynch. Or at least, I seem to be L's popular choice for lynch, as I believe he's the one who's mentioned me most often in the last few pages.
I can see two factors pointing toward me: MTF's clue analysis and my quietness. Let me address those right now:
1. MTF's clue analysis was good, but it was also written from Day Two clues from hosts who have never run a game before. We still don't have a clear picture of how their clues work. Even MTF said that his clue analysis was mostly preliminary and intended to generate discussion, rather than to point a finger unmistakably at anyone. I'm only one of three suspects he comes up with for Day Two, as he also links Infundibulum and Ver to the other killers. The analysis linked to me has strengths and weaknesses, just like the other two. I think the case against Infundibulum is quite as strong as the one against me, with the syringe and the emphasis on sounds.
2. I have been quiet, which I'm sure hasn't helped my case. However, I am usually quiet because I don't like to post without having something substantial to contribute. Thus, I've only posted when I thought I found something to help the town, such as clue analysis, discussion of the game's rules or finding nemY's lie about multiple PMs. I didn't say much during the elections, because I didn't want to get caught in the crossfire between Ace, L, Ver, and nemY especially when I'm not very good with behavior analysis and didn't have a firm reading on any of them. I wanted to help the town, not complicate it further by wading into the middle of a discussion when I hadn't even fully formed opinions of the people involved. Knowing that I don't have good behavior analysis skills shouldn't be a reason to lynch. I tried analyzing behavior last game, only to nearly get a townie (JeeJee) lynched, and I don't want to repeat that mistake again.
Right now, with the two bodyguards dying, I have the feeling that either Ace or Ver could be mafia, but not both. I'm leaning toward Ace, because he was starting to remind me of Qatol from last game because he was pursuing lynches so aggressively. The vote swapping doesn't help either. On the other hand, we've mostly been hearing from Ace and L for the last few pages, and I would like to hear more from Ver as well.
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