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Incognito
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On May 20 2009 08:55 Showtime! wrote: Captain Obvious for the win. Killing 2 BGs is a ballsy play. This is strategy man. You can call it dumb all you want. But, who wants predictability? I'm telling you something doesn't add up. Who said vet's aren't capable of stupid plays? Look at what nemY did for christ sake. 3 blues down is major bait, no matter how you slice it. Nemy is always retarded, thats not a change from anything before. Yes, its ballsy play, but for day 2? Ace is acting like a rabid dog, but one who would prefer to be in control than being put down. Ver is playing a similar style to when hes been town. His red play is different, but hey, people can change playstyles, thats cool. As for blue sniping, that isn't as surprising as 2 bgs, bg's you can't behavioural analyze so wow, that means both ace and ver WHO specialize in it if red got lucky? too low of chances mate. Chances of both knowing the roles are even lower. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
There are 2 methods of having hit both BGs. One involves claiming, the other involves luck. Lets examine each. Assume both BGs claim to a mafia office bearer. Mafia know they have 2 non-vet likely non-mediced blue targets. Abusable. Mafia have no reason to fear losing BG protection: BGs protect against them, after all. If both office members are sitting there they have nothing to fear, but can attempt to draw the last medic to them. If they DO hit them, there really shouldn't be much they can't deny: They say it was obviously luck. They say its not in their best interests to hit them. Etc. They use the exact defence you would: Its so obvious that they wouldn't have done it. Well, not really. Ver and Ace also have a proven history of in this thread of that type of behavior. Most obvious instance? Ver's attempt to 'juke' ace with that incrimination and retraction. If only one member is mafia (lets say ace) he can push the event as a clear sign the other member in office is mafia in order to buy time. This corresponds exactly with the events in the thread thusfar. Assume just one did. Same result with a bit of luck. Even less risky. Far more secure in their hits. Assume both are luck: Both office members suspect each other regardless and even amongst themselves they admit there's likely mafia there. The BG kills have ZERO implication on the office running, but the suspicion remains. | ||
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Incognito
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L
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On May 20 2009 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Nemy is always retarded, thats not a change from anything before. Yes, its ballsy play, but for day 2? Ace is acting like a rabid dog, but one who would prefer to be in control than being put down. Ver is playing a similar style to when hes been town. His red play is different, but hey, people can change playstyles, thats cool. As for blue sniping, that isn't as surprising as 2 bgs, bg's you can't behavioural analyze so wow, that means both ace and ver WHO specialize in it if red got lucky? too low of chances mate. Chances of both knowing the roles are even lower. This is a carbon copy of his play last game as godfather. You ran the game. You saw his inactivity. Qatol saw through him first day. | ||
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Incognito
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Your first two assumptions are too unlikely. As for ver vs ace, THEY HAVE suspected eachother since elections, woah wait, they both figured the other was red then, yet TOWN still voted in two "potential" mafia. Man if you seriously want both dead, lynch one then vig the other, dont delay with a double lynch. Asking people to wait to kill someone your basically so sure as red till following day doesn't add up. Much as ace has stated kill the dt whos roleclaiming/calling a person out and then kill the accused, this would be a very similar situation. Kill one, then kill the other as quickly as possible depending on the outcome. As at this point, the mayor/pardoner aren't really going to get any protection at night. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
You guys are making this insanely difficult. So I'll just go over a few of my thoughts. 1: I don't believe any scenerio in which the BGs roleclaimed to anyone. Why would they do that? Neither of them needed any protection against lynches. Also roleclaiming absolutely wrecked us last game. 2: I also don't believe any scenerio where either Ace or Ver purposefully killed off both the bodyguards. Obviously this also goes along with point number 1: they wouldn't even know in the first place. But if for some reason they did know why would it be better to be a mafia with no protection rather than a mafia with protection? 3: Three blues is way beyond coincidence for me. So, if either Ver or Ace are mafia then they killed off both bodyguards by accident. At this point I don't believe we should lynch either of them. I don't really trust Ver at this point but I also don't like the way Ace is going after him so hard. But I still trust Ace more right now. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
@ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:04 L wrote: This is a carbon copy of his play last game as godfather. You ran the game. You saw his inactivity. Qatol saw through him first day. Mainly qatol was about to quit the game, bitched and moaned and the two figured eachother out there, but hey, what do I know about my game, I only stayed insanely active knowing what x did when. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On May 20 2009 08:24 L wrote: is that the reason you voted like a retard too? And ace, google and wikipedia have been used for clues in the majority of games. This is not new. This is not novel. This is probable. I think you're angry that we figured out you + hardware. Also, BC, you say you're up for double lynch, but you aren't voting for it. You're also voting for malongo out of left field with no real explanation. You're also fine with supporting Ver's reasoning, but then don't want to lynch anyone in office even if it is the other person in office despite the fact that the vast majority of people believe something is crooked with at least 1 of our office runners. so you don't think plexa is mafia? oO i'll just come right out and say im not good at midn games so i don't really know what to do with the whole ver/ace/nemY thing except follow the most logical post ( which i can't decide unbiased right now) that said, what plexa did was suspicious, and he hasn't even been active | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:00 HeavOnEarth wrote: *anxiously awaits the next lynch results* Naturally. For what else could a mafia hope? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:11 Incognito wrote: @ BC: Um...L was never pushing to wait to lynch both. He wants to lynch Ace now, but apparently you aren't listening? @ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think? hes pushing to lynch ace today, ver/dreamflower tommorrow. Do read, if you want one dead, vigi the other. Delaying it is retarded. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
for more chaos? -shrug- | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Mainly qatol was about to quit the game, bitched and moaned and the two figured eachother out there, but hey, what do I know about my game, I only stayed insanely active knowing what x did when. Ver was also afk IRL, but that doesn't change the fact that he ran on activity, stated he would be active and his inactivity was why Qatol claimed to HIM. Qatol claiming in the first place was due to the bockit death scenario, but WHO he roleclaimed to was 100% a result of the void where ver should have been. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:08 Scamp wrote: Well Ocz in hindsight you were right all along. None of this would have ever happened if we had just elected you. You guys are making this insanely difficult. So I'll just go over a few of my thoughts. 1: I don't believe any scenerio in which the BGs roleclaimed to anyone. Why would they do that? Neither of them needed any protection against lynches. Also roleclaiming absolutely wrecked us last game. 2: I also don't believe any scenerio where either Ace or Ver purposefully killed off both the bodyguards. Obviously this also goes along with point number 1: they wouldn't even know in the first place. But if for some reason they did know why would it be better to be a mafia with no protection rather than a mafia with protection? 3: Three blues is way beyond coincidence for me. So, if either Ver or Ace are mafia then they killed off both bodyguards by accident. At this point I don't believe we should lynch either of them. I don't really trust Ver at this point but I also don't like the way Ace is going after him so hard. But I still trust Ace more right now. I'll explain. Assume for a second that one of us is mafia. Ver and myself both know it's entirely worth it to get ourselves killed to get rid of the other as it's a massive blow to the town. Look at the confusion this has caused. It's also not even a 1 for 1 trade: 2 BGs, a medic, no Mayor or Pardoner for one of the other. Epic win scenario for the Mafia. Then you have to realize that it's even more possible one of us is the traitor. This is something people keep forgetting - it's entirely possible the Traitor already contacted The Mafia. You guys forget that lots of players like to PM each other a whole lot and do work behind the scenes (I don't need to as I'm a muthafucking G). Hence, it's even better if the traitor gets the other guy killed as now all The Mafia live and lose 0 KP. L, in his rabid haste and foaming at the mouth behavior just didn't fully explain this next point to the town. If one of us is surely bad for the town, we might as well get rid of both of us. We don't have BG protection anyway, down a medic and he isn't willing to lynch nemy. From the Town's perspective this makes sense as this issue needs to be resolved ASAP. The problem of course is - who do you kill first? L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it. Of course I don't wanna die as I'm pretty confident in my abilities and of Ver's multiple fuckups along with nemy. I also DONT want to use a double lynch on this because it's essentially useless as we end up losing both powerful offices when only ONE of us can be dirty. See why I'm not agreeing with this tactic now? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:11 Incognito wrote: @ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think? I trust Ace more at this point because Ace hasn't done anything fishy in my opinion. I don't like the way he's going after Ver but I can't deny I've had some suspicions about Ver as well. Right now I suspect that Ace isn't mafia and is pushing that hard because of it. However, I'm still not convinced that Ver is mafia either. Then we have L and BC complicating things even further. I've got to believe that at least one of the four are mafia. I said that three BLUES are way beyond coincidence FOR ME. What I think is that someone has gotten themselves really close to powerful people behind the scenes and is using it to fish out really good information. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it. L fears you'd pardon dreamflower if we use a double lynch on Ace/Dreamflower day 3 after killing Ver today. And that would be 100% logical if you're mafia because confirming yourself would do nothing: You'd already be the target of the double lynch. I've explained this to you twice. | ||
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