On May 19 2009 14:47 Incognito wrote:
Ver never has to contact a mafia to make the plan to kill Ace. Its all a natural result of him wanting to make chaos.

And how the hell can ver hit the BGs if he is traitor without contacting mafia?

Scaramanga

Australia8092 Posts

May 19 2009 07:28 GMT

#865

Yeah Ver has gotta be mafia, looking pretty bad for him
double lynch imo

Canada4732 Posts

May 19 2009 07:38 GMT

#866

Do not vote Ver yet. YEAH THAT MEANS YOU CAMLITO/SCARAMANGA.

There's a better way to go about this.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 19 2009 07:39 GMT

#867

Double Lynch for what. No need to rush anything.

Malongo

Chile3472 Posts

May 19 2009 07:41 GMT

#868

Lynch Plexa.

Malongo

Chile3472 Posts

May 19 2009 07:44 GMT

#869

Sea is a clue. Why do you think the SS Liquia is gone?

Canada4732 Posts

May 19 2009 08:04 GMT

#870

Double Lynch for what. No need to rush anything.

Dropping KP as fast as possible is in the town's favor. Double lynching means we have data from day 1/2/3. You don't vote for a double lynch the same way we declared double lynches in Mafia 2: you do it before they're needed so they're available when the lynches need to go through.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 19 2009 08:07 GMT

#871

Guess this means nemy and Ver are gonna die then. Oh well.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 19 2009 08:10 GMT

#872

On May 19 2009 17:07 Ace wrote:
Guess this means nemy and Ver are gonna die then. Oh well.

? i thought u wanted this

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 19 2009 08:15 GMT

#873

I did, Im just being off handed about it

Mynock

4492 Posts

May 19 2009 11:36 GMT

#874

OK, dont have a lot of time here now, so Im gonna try to be brief about it.

Ver is Mafia, this is obvious (maybe Traitor, maybe). I wish I posted this as soon as I saw his post-election message. I was expecting exactly 3 blues to die tonight, altho I didnt expect them to be BGs. Why? Because Ver told us so. He said the Mafia will probably go out sniping blues, so that ONCE that happens, he can come out and say "see, told ya". Which is exactly what he did.

Also, something else, the long Night, Qatol waiting for hits? Ver was waiting for the two BGs to roleclaim to him (and I agree with Ace here, I doubt they even READ the rules, and knew they were unknown to the elects), after which he put the kills on them. This is why I think hes more likely Mafia than Traitor.

Yet another point, Vers defense right now is shit. All he does is he tries to avoid any issues Ace brings up, and tries to shift the blame on others (me in particular, as hes done it before). Ver is basically trying to play the same card as last game (which he also admitted, he didnt target me because I was a suspect), and derail the suspicion from him.

One more thing to note: Ver is also more likely Mafia because of the voting patterns. He is the only candidate in the bunch who never actually lacked in votes. He is the one candidate who ran ASAP and posted maybe 1-2 posts throughout the whole thing. In his spare time he was busy arranging things with his Mafia buddies.

Theres more, but I tried to keep it brief, and this foreign keyboard is killing me

Summary: Lynch Ver now, dont repeat the mistake of the previous game.

dreamflower

United States312 Posts

May 19 2009 14:33 GMT

#875

Removed by request of Qatol. Sorry.

Qatol

United States3165 Posts

May 19 2009 14:54 GMT

#876

On May 19 2009 23:33 dreamflower wrote:
Removed by request of Qatol. Sorry.

Mods who can read what this post said or anyone who saw it before it was changed, please just ignore it.

Bockit

Sydney2287 Posts

May 19 2009 14:58 GMT

#877

Ok, I'm gonna put this out there see what everyone thinks. I read the day post earlier today when it came out, and declined to comment on the fact that we have 2 bodyguards dead, I wanted to see what everyone else would say about the situation. I didn't have any expectations about what people would say but I find it interesting that people are suggesting that they roleclaimed to Ver. Get real imo, this is a veteran game. Mikeymoo and lucaswoj are both aware of the perils of doing so and that people keep suggesting they did is a bit dodgy.

But arguing about whether or not they roleclaimed is sidetracking. I believe that Ver is mafia and this is why:

1) Posting habits.
Ver as part of his platform posted this:

I don't have anything to say about accountability because I'll make it glaringly obvious that I'm on the town's side. Because being mafia takes so much time I only make the minimum number of posts; when I'm town it's the exact opposite

Pretty much unfulfilled. It's day 2 and we haven't even heard the word 'plan' from you. All you've done is give half-arsed defense of yourself. You keep saying 'I've got a bunch to say' and never say it. I could go on but you all get the point. He gave us the signs of what we were to look for if he was innocent, and they haven't arrived.

On top of this, I beg you all to take a look at the last game if you have the time. Read Ver's posts. There aren't too many. He's posting in the same style as he was then, and he's posting the same amount he was then. Oh and he was mafia back then too.

2)The traitor

Ver to Nemy
Here's what I think: you're the traitor

Ver on what he thought lucaswoj's role was (post death)
I never talk with MM and lucas thought I was the traitor

Really? Did you? Cos I could swear you thought nemy was the traitor. Funny thing about traitors in this game. There's only one. Did you change your mind? Why didn't you lynch nemy then? If you thought lucas was the traitor, then nemy must have been mafia (in your mind, as an innocent), because you along with most of us here think that nemy isn't a dt.

Oh and did I forget to mention? Let's have a look at your good ol' percentage list.

From the 2nd list he posted
nnocents list:
Caller 97%
BC 93%
Malongo 85%
Tricode 84%
Lucaswoj 83%
Incognito 80%
Fusionsdf 77%

Innocent traitor eh? Nice work.

3) Infinity21
You lynched infinity21 out of nowhere. Seriously nowhere. You asked town what they thought out of MTF, Amber[light], MBH.

You asked Ace what he thought about Amber[light] or MBH.

And then you decided, hey, let's go with this other guy, who not only hasn't been brought up in previous first-day lynch discussions, was only on the bottom of your suspects list, at a measly 70% compared to a bunch in high 90s and 80s. You're so suspicious of Mynock and you still went for infinity21. Nice.

I'm pretty damn confident Ver is mafia. And I'm voting to lynch him, and I urge you all to do so as well. I've written this in an emotional rather than analytical style because I want to elicit responses. To see who comes to defend Ver.

I'm also tempted to vote for a double lynch, but I'm not sure if that should go ahead quite yet. I'd suggest we wait till the 2nd realtime day of this day till we decide on that, hopefully new info will come up.

Now to start some clue analysis.

MrBabyHands

United States72 Posts

May 19 2009 15:06 GMT

#878

On May 19 2009 23:58 Bockit wrote:

2)The traitor

Show nested quote +

to be fair, the quote says that LUCAS thought VER was the traitor-- not the other way around.

other points stick tho-- ver, the man with the plan, has yet to really implement something the town can rally behind.

this alone doesnt mean he's dirty, but it does add to the cumulative evidence against his innocence.