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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 19 2009 15:14 GMT
#881
Oh. I get what you guys were saying about the unlikelihood of Ver being traitor. It makes sense, although if he's mafia that is awful poor play. Like you've said, this is a veteran game. Anyway, leaving Ver alive doesn't make sense either way as he is causing the town chaos, and even if he is traitor, that's 3 votes for the mafia....
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dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
May 19 2009 15:18 GMT
#882
MTF, that was beautiful clue analysis, especially given the clues we've had to work with, and I can't describe how sad I am to be one of the suspects you listed. Here are my responses for your post.

Mafia A

I agree, I like infundibulum for this one too. He's the only player whose profile contains anything medically-related; I couldn't find anything else about medicine, syringes, needles or even drugs. (Of course, this might also be influenced by the fact that in Chuiu's game, someone was killed with a syringe and everyone assumed it was infundibulum, including me.) Furthermore, the emphasis on sounds in the later part of the paragraph really suggests infundibulum, whose profile is full of musical references and the Hammerstein quote.

The only other potential flaw I could think of is that syringes are not funnel-shaped (I hope) or at least are usually thought of as cylinders with only a small funnel at the very end near the needle. However, that was an extremely minor part of your analysis.

Mafia B

Again, this is fantastic analysis, and damn, I wish I weren't the suspect you arrived at in the end. Linking the quote at the end was excellent, though I would argue that the answer to mikeymoo's prayers would not have been an end to his sore throat, but his life. So, in that sense, his prayers were not answered.

The behavior of the Mafia seems to indicate being easily distracted and not perceptive, as shown by his watching LucasWoJ's death instead of going after mikeymoo right away and then totally missing mikeymoo. However, he does exhibit focus when he hunts after mikeymoo, so it's not as though he were totally devoid of mental processes. He just misses details, even glaring ones. Someone sleepwalking or daydreaming would probably have completely wandered off or forgotten, instead of being distracted for a moment before hunting mikeymoo down quite attentively and thoroughly.

Because of the focused brutality of the killing and the fact that the killer misses details, I might tentatively suggest Heavonearth. His quote at the end includes a link that reads "http://l0lhi.mybrute.com." I didn't click on the link, but the words "my brute" does fit the way mikeymoo was killed. In addition, his profile also includes a series of letters (rather like an eye chart), followed by the sentence: "What's the pattern? no really tell me, i have no clue :O" This suggests someone who doesn't notice patterns or details, like mikeymoo's killer.

Mafia C

Good Lord, but that is a horrible way to die. I thought of Ver as well, because of his rape quote and the rake up the butt. My only point of disagreement is that it's Fishball who died, and I remember that Ver said he's always had a hard time reading Fishball. I don't know if that has changed, but I'm not sure he normally would have been able to discern his role. For my part, I admit I immediately thought of MrBabyHands because of his quote. Just because it references both, ahem, butt holes and manliness, and the only other thing that can be used to make clues for him would be his name.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
May 19 2009 15:21 GMT
#883
On May 20 2009 00:14 Incognito wrote:
Oh. I get what you guys were saying about the unlikelihood of Ver being traitor. It makes sense, although if he's mafia that is awful poor play. Like you've said, this is a veteran game. Anyway, leaving Ver alive doesn't make sense either way as he is causing the town chaos, and even if he is traitor, that's 3 votes for the mafia....


I still feel more inclined about mafia then traitor. But I guess it doesn't matter which he may be at this moment.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 19 2009 15:41 GMT
#884
On May 20 2009 00:18 dreamflower wrote:
MTF, that was beautiful clue analysis, especially given the clues we've had to work with, and I can't describe how sad I am to be one of the suspects you listed. Here are my responses for your post.

Mafia A

I agree, I like infundibulum for this one too. He's the only player whose profile contains anything medically-related; I couldn't find anything else about medicine, syringes, needles or even drugs. (Of course, this might also be influenced by the fact that in Chuiu's game, someone was killed with a syringe and everyone assumed it was infundibulum, including me.) Furthermore, the emphasis on sounds in the later part of the paragraph really suggests infundibulum, whose profile is full of musical references and the Hammerstein quote.

The only other potential flaw I could think of is that syringes are not funnel-shaped (I hope) or at least are usually thought of as cylinders with only a small funnel at the very end near the needle. However, that was an extremely minor part of your analysis.

Mafia B

Again, this is fantastic analysis, and damn, I wish I weren't the suspect you arrived at in the end. Linking the quote at the end was excellent, though I would argue that the answer to mikeymoo's prayers would not have been an end to his sore throat, but his life. So, in that sense, his prayers were not answered.

The behavior of the Mafia seems to indicate being easily distracted and not perceptive, as shown by his watching LucasWoJ's death instead of going after mikeymoo right away and then totally missing mikeymoo. However, he does exhibit focus when he hunts after mikeymoo, so it's not as though he were totally devoid of mental processes. He just misses details, even glaring ones. Someone sleepwalking or daydreaming would probably have completely wandered off or forgotten, instead of being distracted for a moment before hunting mikeymoo down quite attentively and thoroughly.

Because of the focused brutality of the killing and the fact that the killer misses details, I might tentatively suggest Heavonearth. His quote at the end includes a link that reads "http://l0lhi.mybrute.com." I didn't click on the link, but the words "my brute" does fit the way mikeymoo was killed. In addition, his profile also includes a series of letters (rather like an eye chart), followed by the sentence: "What's the pattern? no really tell me, i have no clue :O" This suggests someone who doesn't notice patterns or details, like mikeymoo's killer.

Mafia C

Good Lord, but that is a horrible way to die. I thought of Ver as well, because of his rape quote and the rake up the butt. My only point of disagreement is that it's Fishball who died, and I remember that Ver said he's always had a hard time reading Fishball. I don't know if that has changed, but I'm not sure he normally would have been able to discern his role. For my part, I admit I immediately thought of MrBabyHands because of his quote. Just because it references both, ahem, butt holes and manliness, and the only other thing that can be used to make clues for him would be his name.


I'm doing some clue analysis of my own and just started going through your stuff now, just a note about Mafia C: it's not particularly relevant that fishball died. Whoever figured out that fishball is a medic isn't necessarily the one who killed him. And if it was, it's just chance.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 19 2009 15:53 GMT
#885
On May 19 2009 14:54 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
this kind of ad hominem is not helping..
Did you read what he wrote? That's not how the game's rules work. All night actions happen at the exact same time. All of them work. You can't kill a vig in order to prevent his hit, nor can a vig drop the kp of mafia to reduce the amount of kills that happen. Medics can't be killed to remove their protection during that night.


To be fair to Vivi, in past games it hasn't always worked this way. For example, in Mafia 3 when we had a hit on NemY, Chuiu didn't let it go through because one of our mafia died in the night lowering our kp. Ace especially was pissed off about this, and I'm sure he remembers.

I don't know what Qatol's policy on night actions in this game is.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 16:15:33
May 19 2009 16:02 GMT
#886
Ok as promised, some clue analysis. I've never had the best luck with this, so take it for what it's worth. I didn't post my day 1 stuff because there's not much.

Day 1: Person 1:

Nothing I can really define as a clue.


Day 1: Person 2:

unable to locate the speaker
a blur as his assailant leapt at him

Traits: Nothing I can really pull out of this



Day 2: Person 1:
one of them screamed and charged at LucasWoJ
attacker pulled out a syringe and slammed it into LucasWoJ's right eye
The assailant bellowed again
the only sounds left were guttural yells

Traits:
Yelling, screaming, bellowing, loud noises, syringe


Day 2: Person 2:
initially transfixed by the brutal killing
suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt
couldn't find anyone
After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time
~ he heard mikeymoo sneeze (Red herring I think)

Traits:
Short attention span/memory, easily distracted


Day 2: Person 3
the man calmly following him
the other man surveyed the inside of the shed
"This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that,"
~ quipped the Hitman (Possibly a literary device, unusual word though to describe the assailant (unusual in the context of this and previous games))
He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could.

Traits: Meticulous, calm, controlled, rape.

EDIT: I edited the title of the first person, accidentally listed as 'Person 2'
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 16:08:52
May 19 2009 16:07 GMT
#887
On May 20 2009 00:53 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2009 14:54 L wrote:
this kind of ad hominem is not helping..
Did you read what he wrote? That's not how the game's rules work. All night actions happen at the exact same time. All of them work. You can't kill a vig in order to prevent his hit, nor can a vig drop the kp of mafia to reduce the amount of kills that happen. Medics can't be killed to remove their protection during that night.


To be fair to Vivi, in past games it hasn't always worked this way. For example, in Mafia 3 when we had a hit on NemY, Chuiu didn't let it go through because one of our mafia died in the night lowering our kp. Ace especially was pissed off about this, and I'm sure he remembers.

I don't know what Qatol's policy on night actions in this game is.

All night actions happen. If mafia kill a vigi but they submitted a hit, both hits go through.
Uff Da
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 19 2009 16:08 GMT
#888
Forgot to mention, I haven't tried to tie the clues to anyone yet :/ Will get to that tomorrow.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 19 2009 16:22 GMT
#889
I have to go to a couple job interviews. I'll post my thoughts on everything when I get back (i bet you all can't wait).
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dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
May 19 2009 16:39 GMT
#890
On May 20 2009 00:41 Bockit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 00:18 dreamflower wrote:
MTF, that was beautiful clue analysis, especially given the clues we've had to work with, and I can't describe how sad I am to be one of the suspects you listed. Here are my responses for your post.

Mafia A

I agree, I like infundibulum for this one too. He's the only player whose profile contains anything medically-related; I couldn't find anything else about medicine, syringes, needles or even drugs. (Of course, this might also be influenced by the fact that in Chuiu's game, someone was killed with a syringe and everyone assumed it was infundibulum, including me.) Furthermore, the emphasis on sounds in the later part of the paragraph really suggests infundibulum, whose profile is full of musical references and the Hammerstein quote.

The only other potential flaw I could think of is that syringes are not funnel-shaped (I hope) or at least are usually thought of as cylinders with only a small funnel at the very end near the needle. However, that was an extremely minor part of your analysis.

Mafia B

Again, this is fantastic analysis, and damn, I wish I weren't the suspect you arrived at in the end. Linking the quote at the end was excellent, though I would argue that the answer to mikeymoo's prayers would not have been an end to his sore throat, but his life. So, in that sense, his prayers were not answered.

The behavior of the Mafia seems to indicate being easily distracted and not perceptive, as shown by his watching LucasWoJ's death instead of going after mikeymoo right away and then totally missing mikeymoo. However, he does exhibit focus when he hunts after mikeymoo, so it's not as though he were totally devoid of mental processes. He just misses details, even glaring ones. Someone sleepwalking or daydreaming would probably have completely wandered off or forgotten, instead of being distracted for a moment before hunting mikeymoo down quite attentively and thoroughly.

Because of the focused brutality of the killing and the fact that the killer misses details, I might tentatively suggest Heavonearth. His quote at the end includes a link that reads "http://l0lhi.mybrute.com." I didn't click on the link, but the words "my brute" does fit the way mikeymoo was killed. In addition, his profile also includes a series of letters (rather like an eye chart), followed by the sentence: "What's the pattern? no really tell me, i have no clue :O" This suggests someone who doesn't notice patterns or details, like mikeymoo's killer.

Mafia C

Good Lord, but that is a horrible way to die. I thought of Ver as well, because of his rape quote and the rake up the butt. My only point of disagreement is that it's Fishball who died, and I remember that Ver said he's always had a hard time reading Fishball. I don't know if that has changed, but I'm not sure he normally would have been able to discern his role. For my part, I admit I immediately thought of MrBabyHands because of his quote. Just because it references both, ahem, butt holes and manliness, and the only other thing that can be used to make clues for him would be his name.


I'm doing some clue analysis of my own and just started going through your stuff now, just a note about Mafia C: it's not particularly relevant that fishball died. Whoever figured out that fishball is a medic isn't necessarily the one who killed him. And if it was, it's just chance.


That's a good point. I think I was just influenced by the confluence of Ver's and Fishball's names in the same sentence in MTF's analysis.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 19 2009 20:49 GMT
#891
Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 19 2009 20:49 GMT
#892
On May 20 2009 05:49 0cz3c wrote:
Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.

I don't need protection. Nemy needs the protection most, he's essentially a confirmed dt.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 19 2009 21:05 GMT
#893
He's not a confirmed DT stop saying that nonsense.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 19 2009 21:07 GMT
#894
On May 20 2009 06:05 Ace wrote:
He's not a confirmed DT stop saying that nonsense.

his cluecheck came out the way one would believe. I sincerely doubt that he would intentionally put that "red herring" picture in there for no good reason.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 19 2009 21:08 GMT
#895
Haven't you guys learned anything about clue checks yet?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 19 2009 21:10 GMT
#896
On May 20 2009 06:08 Ace wrote:
Haven't you guys learned anything about clue checks yet?

aside from the fact that they are crap? lol no
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 19 2009 21:21 GMT
#897
On May 20 2009 05:49 0cz3c wrote:
Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.


There's only one medic left...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 19 2009 21:25 GMT
#898
On May 20 2009 06:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 05:49 0cz3c wrote:
Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.


There's only one medic left...

orly?
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 19 2009 21:33 GMT
#899
neither ver or ace look like they are red.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 19 2009 21:36 GMT
#900
Although Ace does link to day the last killing of day 2, he seems more like a pitbull this game than anything else
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