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Of course L, he PM'd me the same thing. In fact he kept PMing me and every time he was getting worried about Ver and told me he was trying to contact him. For a guy with 62 PMs he sure didn't pay attention to the little people. Who the hell was he talking to? Like he said in a Veteran game surely nobody would role claim - so why does he have so many PMs?
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On May 19 2009 14:34 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. /facepalm and you were doing so well too
I might have just missed something.
All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e.
Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia.
Though i think it could be possible luck what happened.
But Traitor to me seems unlikely.
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If he was wandering around in PMs, and I kinda suspected he was, either he was fishing for information, which I tried not to give him, or he was consistent with the ver/ace/plexa/mtf/incognito suspicion.
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On May 19 2009 14:36 Ace wrote:
Of course L, he PM'd me the same thing. In fact he kept PMing me and every time he was getting worried about Ver and told me he was trying to contact him. For a guy with 62 PMs he sure didn't pay attention to the little people. Who the hell was he talking to? Like he said in a Veteran game surely nobody would role claim - so why does he have so many PMs?
He is mayor after all. Remember when Qatol was mayor? He got mad PMs even though he wasn't confirmed also.
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On May 19 2009 14:36 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:34 Ace wrote:On May 19 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. /facepalm and you were doing so well too I might have just missed something. All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e. Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia. Though i think it could be possible luck what happened. But Traitor to me seems unlikely.
Almost, but you still forgot one scenario:
Ver isn't a traitor - he's mafia.
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On May 19 2009 14:38 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:36 Ace wrote:
Of course L, he PM'd me the same thing. In fact he kept PMing me and every time he was getting worried about Ver and told me he was trying to contact him. For a guy with 62 PMs he sure didn't pay attention to the little people. Who the hell was he talking to? Like he said in a Veteran game surely nobody would role claim - so why does he have so many PMs? He is mayor after all. Remember when Qatol was mayor? He got mad PMs even though he wasn't confirmed also.
ohhhh now you're thinking 
So even if the Mayor isn't confirmed, it shows that people may still send him info like a certain few people did last game right Caller?
Now start putting it all together.
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@Ace No, i said if he did help with those deaths, then he is mafia ;p
I didn't forget that scenario ;p
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Hey I'm not gonna lie, I PMed Ver my info... ;]
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On May 19 2009 14:39 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:38 Caller wrote:On May 19 2009 14:36 Ace wrote:
Of course L, he PM'd me the same thing. In fact he kept PMing me and every time he was getting worried about Ver and told me he was trying to contact him. For a guy with 62 PMs he sure didn't pay attention to the little people. Who the hell was he talking to? Like he said in a Veteran game surely nobody would role claim - so why does he have so many PMs? He is mayor after all. Remember when Qatol was mayor? He got mad PMs even though he wasn't confirmed also. ohhhh now you're thinking So even if the Mayor isn't confirmed, it shows that people may still send him info like a certain few people did last game right Caller? Now start putting it all together.
I would think people would have learned their lessons from last time -_-
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On May 19 2009 14:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:36 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:34 Ace wrote:On May 19 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. /facepalm and you were doing so well too I might have just missed something. All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e. Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia. Though i think it could be possible luck what happened. But Traitor to me seems unlikely. Almost, but you still forgot one scenario: Ver isn't a traitor - he's mafia.
What? Why wouldn't he off his BGs as a traitor? He could just be attempting to make mass chaos. And he did say that if he were traitor he would make mass chaos.
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Explanation: Assume Ver is traitor. He makes chaos. He somehow finds the roles of his bodyguards. He kills them and then assumes that the mafia will off Ace as well.
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He is mayor after all. Remember when Qatol was mayor? He got mad PMs even though he wasn't confirmed also. And this is why i wanted us to use probable blue players over 'good players'.
But despite bolding that shit and writing it everywhere for the past TWENTY FUCKING PAGES and people ignoring this, now half of the previous detractors of my position have turned 180 degrees. Setting up red herrings because office isn't in question? Lol.
Number 1 need town has right now? CLUE ANALYSIS. Get some potential targets, we'll mesh that with the behavior analysis. Remember: attach clues to people, don't attach people to clues.
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On May 19 2009 14:43 Incognito wrote:
Explanation: Assume Ver is traitor. He makes chaos. He somehow finds the roles of his bodyguards. He kills them and then assumes that the mafia will off Ace as well.
That's just so unlikely.
you're saying ver *somehow* got the roles of his bodyguards *then* found a mafia to pm them to all to make a plan to kill ace?
If killing ace was the plan, 3 hits on ace the first night would have gotten him anyway (assuming no med prot)
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On May 19 2009 14:41 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:38 Ace wrote:On May 19 2009 14:36 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:34 Ace wrote:On May 19 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2009 14:16 Tricode wrote:On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote:
Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. /facepalm and you were doing so well too I might have just missed something. All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e. Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia. Though i think it could be possible luck what happened. But Traitor to me seems unlikely. Almost, but you still forgot one scenario: Ver isn't a traitor - he's mafia. What? Why wouldn't he off his BGs as a traitor? He could just be attempting to make mass chaos. And he did say that if he were traitor he would make mass chaos.
uh...I didn't say he wouldnt.
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On May 19 2009 14:45 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:43 Incognito wrote:
Explanation: Assume Ver is traitor. He makes chaos. He somehow finds the roles of his bodyguards. He kills them and then assumes that the mafia will off Ace as well. That's just so unlikely. you're saying ver *somehow* got the roles of his bodyguards *then* found a mafia to pm them to all to make a plan to kill ace? If killing ace was the plan, 3 hits on ace the first night would have gotten him anyway (assuming no med prot)
er, ace had bg protection
lol
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Ver never has to contact a mafia to make the plan to kill Ace. Its all a natural result of him wanting to make chaos.
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Once again, just like last game and every other game ever ignore anything Vivi57 posts. He has NO IDEA what he is talking about. Don't even respond to it.
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On May 19 2009 14:46 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 14:45 Vivi57 wrote:On May 19 2009 14:43 Incognito wrote:
Explanation: Assume Ver is traitor. He makes chaos. He somehow finds the roles of his bodyguards. He kills them and then assumes that the mafia will off Ace as well. That's just so unlikely. you're saying ver *somehow* got the roles of his bodyguards *then* found a mafia to pm them to all to make a plan to kill ace? If killing ace was the plan, 3 hits on ace the first night would have gotten him anyway (assuming no med prot) er, ace had bg protection lol
wait, wouldn't it have gone bg bg ace if 3 were stacked?
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Because ace can only fuck the town with his ability.
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