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On December 27 2008 18:14 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
gg town. mafia outplayed you badly
Yeah the mafia really deserved this one. I felt my role was WAYYY too strong. And that 5/10 votecheck wasn't THAT lucky. I guessed the mafia didn't read the DT role carefully (BC didn't even know I could do that when I asked him about it at first) so I decided I would try and catch them hiding once we had a few targets to work on through smaller lists. I think it might be a little more balanced with less DTs and more vigis?
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This would have been a bit hard for mafia, but thanks to the work of this great town, 2 dts got killed off early, and mafia was 100% to win from there (also to the lack of non gullible townies -_-)
Honestly it's imba for both in ways, this game is pretty much if town is in any way inactive = auto mafia win (if dts are killed off enough), and imba for town that 4 dts with heaps of checks would own mafia. But in reality, it is 11 vs 39, which really sucks dick.. so next game it should be add more townies, nerf DTs/take 1 dt away or take away silencer and nerf dts.
But this sucked.. i finally got a non mafia blue role and i just died straight away with the most obvious hit (also spiral) which the mafia probably felt proud of...? And im stuck reading the stupid town getting sucked in and raped.. and now end of the game the mafia are all dissing the town and saying they suck (rightfully so) yet im a part of that town and have to take there shit.. which is just gay.
GG anyway :D
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On December 27 2008 18:53 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 18:14 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
gg town. mafia outplayed you badly Yeah the mafia really deserved this one. I felt my role was WAYYY too strong. And that 5/10 votecheck wasn't THAT lucky. I guessed the mafia didn't read the DT role carefully (BC didn't even know I could do that when I asked him about it at first) so I decided I would try and catch them hiding once we had a few targets to work on through smaller lists. I think it might be a little more balanced with less DTs and more vigis?
Look at chuiu's dt in mafia 3 and compare to mine, WAY less powerful. And overall the 5/10 list stops them from being inactive ;p so is worth the keeping.
As to more vigi's no, mafia 3 town had more KP than mafia did, sooo not right, 2 vigis + 1 Jack + mad hatter is still 8 KP if used correctly which is pretty rough.
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The only post out of the garbage that has been posted for the last 3-4 pages here that I can agree with is Ver's.
Also, if someone is going as far as calling his fellow players in a FRIENDLY game of Mafia "dumb cockbags", especially after the game is over... That really speaks volumes of the person. It also speaks volumes about how the game was played out. People like kuja really fell in their role. If only they would ever post it would rat them out immediately, because people like that (AttackZerg, kuja, etc...) would shine trough like big bulbs of red, if ONLY they were actually required to post. But they aren't. So all the Mafia had to do (and what they were doing) is come to this thread every so often (one of them is enough in fact), choose a couple targets, send in the hits, relax for 3 more days. While the Town has to suffer the full effect of inactivity.
Also, the Town had this WON before the mass vote switching. But BC wanted it over with (has been since some 3 nights already), and even after we said it won't go anywhere if this inactivity continues, instead of an answer like "yes, let's switch inactive Townies" or "no, I won't switch inactive Townies" he just closed the vote with like 4 Townies voting total. 5 Mafias come and sway the vote. And Town's victory is taken away.
Why do I say Town's victory was taken away? Because we even knew both malongo and Artanis were mafia. I was to lynch malongo after kuja, and once he turned out to be silencer, we would know that the remaining 2 on that list were also Mafia, since we knew the silencer was not even on that role-check list before. Pitching malongo vs Artanis was another dumb move by mafia which exposed both of them. Here's proof (a PM from me to LTT):
Yes, you're correct on both those accounts. In fact, I always thought both of them are probably mafia... :/ ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 05:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Guys, my theory is that Malongo is probably the silencer. Why?
At day 3, he was silenced. However, the game rules state that the silencer IS allowed to silence himself. Why would he do this? Obviously to throw off suspicion of himself. Why would a silencer silence someone that really hasn't been that helpful to town at all instead of Ace? To throw off suspicion. Luckily thanks to the 3/4 list I managed to find this out since knowing that I'm innocent makes me 100% sure that he is mafia.
I am 95% sure that Malongo is the silencer. If I am correct and he dies, we'll have Ace back as well. He's arguing that Malongo is the silencer. This is a terrible, terrible argument if you stop to think about it. The list check came before the silencer was mafia. If we were to believe Artanis, that would make the list 100% Mafia, which would mean Artanis himself was Mafia... -___- I don't think he thought that one through at all.
Mafia made some dumb moves this game (a'la AZ), but they still won't lose, because they are not palying against people, they are playing against a list of inactive nicknames.
I'm not really good at clue analysis, but I'm damn sure NONE of those clues ever helped the Town either. Not a single one. Even kuja couldn't find himself there. Neither could I find myself tbh.
And the bottom line, I'm not playing another Mafia game without enforced activity. I could of course do it like most people here, namely sign-up, wait to see if I'm Mafia, and if I'm not, go take a shit on the whole thing, but I don't feel like being such an ass.
FFS, even after I told all the vets to send me in their roles, there was one guy who NEVER EVER DID. He was a blue and he still didn't give a crap about this game. Really, who was the last vet?? The key to the victory for Town at the end, when every life counts. We knew about Ace, 0cz, and...??
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I guess the game still hasn't ended. I'll re-post this post once it has.
Edit: Apparently it is over. I'm surprised Nevake wasn't lynched right after Ver. To an outsider he was by far the most blatant mafia ever. The guy was so passive with everything it seemed like he didn't care about the game. He'd just stop by, say "Oczec, analyze some clues if you want to help!" and then leave. 
Town was outplayed, but at least it played fairly. Dead mafia aren't allowed to talk. Seeing someof them blabbing was quite disconcerting. :/
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sorry for disappointing you guys, i guess i have bad interpretation skills as i failed to save anyone
TBH i was pretty excited having a blue role, this is technically the first mafia game ive ever played (i played mafia 2 but as a townie and died day 2)
not trying to say i didn't suck, but blue roles are picked randomly so you can't really expect everyone to play like you want them to
so i guess town got unlucky stuck with me being a noob as medic.
gg
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Mynock not trying to argue against you but i want to make some points clear:
- I was the silencer, artanis was green. That is a little error on your post.
- The town lost because of inactivity: yes, but mafia had to deal with inactivity too and most of the time there were just a few trying to do some research/infiltration.
- Mafia made some very bad moves: true, with capek and attackzerg the most obvious. But the town made some very bad moves too (not related to inactivity) like the paramedic work, the bombing placement and some veteran targets. This is just part of the game.
- The town cant win with a few people active, so the argument "the town had it won" is somehow invalid to me. Of course IF all the people playing were active i agree that town would have won.
- Im not sure 100% but the last veteran was fishball judging his gamestyle, mafia was almost sure about it.
- Hopefully most of the imbalances were discussed after BC declared a mafia win, inactivity included. Im pretty sure next game will be much more balanced for both sides.
- The game was very interesting to me, im not saying this just because i was mafia but because it was really fun to me and to a lot of people. In fact my last msg to mafia was something like "shit if we lost this sway were screwed, meh its fun anyways". Even dead townies like caller and scaramanga, camlito, ver and LTT were interested.
-Maybe we can look at the bright side of the game: the pace was very good, interaction was fun, lol moments were freaking hilarous, and finally while i see your point about mafia "garbage posts" they were just showing fun. gg Mynock gore
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On December 27 2008 23:44 Mynock wrote:The only post out of the garbage that has been posted for the last 3-4 pages here that I can agree with is Ver's. Also, if someone is going as far as calling his fellow players in a FRIENDLY game of Mafia "dumb cockbags", especially after the game is over... That really speaks volumes of the person. It also speaks volumes about how the game was played out. People like kuja really fell in their role. If only they would ever post it would rat them out immediately, because people like that (AttackZerg, kuja, etc...) would shine trough like big bulbs of red, if ONLY they were actually required to post. But they aren't. So all the Mafia had to do (and what they were doing) is come to this thread every so often (one of them is enough in fact), choose a couple targets, send in the hits, relax for 3 more days. While the Town has to suffer the full effect of inactivity. Also, the Town had this WON before the mass vote switching. But BC wanted it over with (has been since some 3 nights already), and even after we said it won't go anywhere if this inactivity continues, instead of an answer like "yes, let's switch inactive Townies" or "no, I won't switch inactive Townies" he just closed the vote with like 4 Townies voting total. 5 Mafias come and sway the vote. And Town's victory is taken away. Why do I say Town's victory was taken away? Because we even knew both malongo and Artanis were mafia. I was to lynch malongo after kuja, and once he turned out to be silencer, we would know that the remaining 2 on that list were also Mafia, since we knew the silencer was not even on that role-check list before. Pitching malongo vs Artanis was another dumb move by mafia which exposed both of them. Here's proof (a PM from me to LTT): Show nested quote +Yes, you're correct on both those accounts. In fact, I always thought both of them are probably mafia... :/ ----------------------------------------- Original Message: On December 27 2008 05:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Guys, my theory is that Malongo is probably the silencer. Why?
At day 3, he was silenced. However, the game rules state that the silencer IS allowed to silence himself. Why would he do this? Obviously to throw off suspicion of himself. Why would a silencer silence someone that really hasn't been that helpful to town at all instead of Ace? To throw off suspicion. Luckily thanks to the 3/4 list I managed to find this out since knowing that I'm innocent makes me 100% sure that he is mafia.
I am 95% sure that Malongo is the silencer. If I am correct and he dies, we'll have Ace back as well. He's arguing that Malongo is the silencer. This is a terrible, terrible argument if you stop to think about it. The list check came before the silencer was mafia. If we were to believe Artanis, that would make the list 100% Mafia, which would mean Artanis himself was Mafia... -___- I don't think he thought that one through at all. Mafia made some dumb moves this game (a'la AZ), but they still won't lose, because they are not palying against people, they are playing against a list of inactive nicknames. I'm not really good at clue analysis, but I'm damn sure NONE of those clues ever helped the Town either. Not a single one. Even kuja couldn't find himself there. Neither could I find myself tbh. And the bottom line, I'm not playing another Mafia game without enforced activity. I could of course do it like most people here, namely sign-up, wait to see if I'm Mafia, and if I'm not, go take a shit on the whole thing, but I don't feel like being such an ass. FFS, even after I told all the vets to send me in their roles, there was one guy who NEVER EVER DID. He was a blue and he still didn't give a crap about this game. Really, who was the last vet?? The key to the victory for Town at the end, when every life counts. We knew about Ace, 0cz, and...??
Mynock, I fully understand what your getting at, and had you asked for people to be replaced at day 4ish instead of you know day 6ish, you would have more likely gotten it. The later people start to bitch about inactivity is when its harder to deal with as swapping at that point is almost guarenteed to fuck mafia over as most inactives are greens so it gives you the (oooh theres like 5 more confirmed greens) sort of pitch and heavily imbalances.
The next game I run, i will be finding all the inactives from the previous games and straight out banning them from playing. As well as tweaking a few roles to again bring about balance.
As for not helpful clues? Go google your name, you will hit something called project mynock which was a style of basically tech jamming tie fighter, hense overall theme. Im sorry that no one bothered to grasp onto generalities, and 90% of you didnt even attempt clue analysis, except "oh chronus and camulus fight alot" Seriously, they weren't that hard, just harder than "omg his name is decafchicken and someone did while coffee was around"
I do appreciate the feedback, and next game it will hopefully work out better.
Also fishball was the last vet
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update to LTT post: the listcheck came after the silencer was mafia im pretty sure as i wanted the opposite.
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Hey BloodyCobbler,
Would you mind if I help you typing up your Day posts? Whenever I read through them, I saw too many grammatical mistakes. I just assumed that they were intentional (because in writing, everything ought to be intentional), but I couldn't make anything out of them. Furthermore, the mistakes with syntax took away from the reading experience, and I could barely understand what you were attempting to articulate. Sometimes you left out verbs, many times you left out prepositions, and all too often you let sentences that ought to have ended just run.
I'm assuming that you would just sit at the keyboard and type (i.e. not edit). That's OK, since clues are there to be found, but an awful post serves not only as a distraction, but also as a tool for inactivity. After I read the very first post of mafia lynchings, I thought to myself, "Oh boy. I will not be able to deal with this. Let's not go inactive, though [hahahaha]."
I'm not trying to bash on you, for you did an excellent job running this game and ensuring that all the day and night posts came within a desired time. The management was great. But I don't know how to put it more delicately: it just seems like you put no time into your writing (and it was a turnoff).
Edit: Also, I think I can make the day posts very enjoyable to read (that is to say make them similar in word choice to my initial posts, though they will have events and actions).
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I cannot believe Shadowdrgn was not mafia!!!!! We thought 100% that he was mafia and we were putting a bomb on Decaf in order to increase our odds on the list, but damn haha. Things don't really work out the way you think right?
I cannot believe the town was so persuasive to actually follow me for a lynch to someone who we had really no clues towards. The town played horribly in this game, and a lot of the active townies did not actually think Ace was a townie early because of his past in mafia games, but that was the point. You cannot compare people to other mafia games, because we always switch roles.
It was pretty sweet to play the mad hatter, but I never had a blue role so I didn't know what to do. I should have come out earlier (like day 2) and speak for the town as I was supposed to be a risk for the mafia to kill, but whatever what's done is done.
And 0cz3c, next time, please do not do what you did this mafia game. It was so annoying and bad for the town early on. It sucks when we have to deal with the way you are acting since you are putting a target on your back, and now we are put in a mental position where we want clues to go towards you because of your attitude early on towards the game. But whatever we moved on and you finally decided to help, and thanks for that : )
Good Game guys, and everyone who I was in contact with this game... we will analyze clues better next time haha. And sorry Ace, we never spoke though being in the same group
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BC, sorry for being aggressive, you deserve praise for even starting and doing it in the first place, I was just a bit irritable, sry again. :/
But yeah, a mynock eats electricity, so there is a definite link there of course, but the problem is, with clues, you have to make sure they don't connect to like 12 people on the list at the same time, so it's just not as easy as linking a person to SOMETHING, you have to link a person to SOMETHING while considering EVERYBODY else as well. That's why it's hard to make clues imo, and that's why this game virtually no clue was connected to the proper person at all. But whatever, we all improve with time, I think for your first ever attempt, this game definitely deserves praise, as it was fun.
Inactives: YES, ban those who only register to check if they can get Mafia. I bet you a 100 bucks people like kuja or AZ would just meld into the inactive Town had they not gotten a Mafia role, they're just that kind of general category. They play it not for the game, but for some thrill of being a bad guy. As if getting a Mafia role in a Mafia GAME actually constitutes that. This is not what the game is about, so you should be VERY CLEAR on that before you start in it in the first place.
And as for the whole silencer thing: WTF? How comes the silencer came up on the Mafia role check then? Shouldn't the silencer show up as green before recruited? And the list was made BEFORE malongo was recruited afaik.
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Oh, and BC, what 0cz said makes some sense. I spent 10 minutes looking for references to Camulous coming up with nothing. The name was written like this several times, so I thought it must be a specific writing, used in StarGate or something...
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I demand apologies of all of you that thought I was mafia! :[
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On December 28 2008 01:50 Mynock wrote:
And as for the whole silencer thing: WTF? How comes the silencer came up on the Mafia role check then? Shouldn't the silencer show up as green before recruited? And the list was made BEFORE malongo was recruited afaik.
It was done AFTER, in fact i wanted it to be delayed so i passed as a townie but never happened. Thats why you misread the "both are mafia" argument from LTT. Artanis was green you should have lost a lynch and a townie.
Artanis: sorry to use you as both knew you were the townie and malongo the mafia. But as you see this was working very well for us... haha.
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gg. so when's a new one starting up? finals have ended so i'm sure more people will be active this time around =]
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On December 28 2008 03:13 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 01:50 Mynock wrote:
And as for the whole silencer thing: WTF? How comes the silencer came up on the Mafia role check then? Shouldn't the silencer show up as green before recruited? And the list was made BEFORE malongo was recruited afaik. It was done AFTER, in fact i wanted it to be delayed so i passed as a townie but never happened. Thats why you misread the "both are mafia" argument from LTT. Artanis was green you should have lost a lynch and a townie. Artanis: sorry to use you as both knew you were the townie and malongo the mafia. But as you see this was working very well for us... haha.
Doen't matter. On sheer numbers it would have been an exciting game at the end. But not by culling it in mid-air, and not with all the inactives.
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amberlight: I think you made a huge mistake on your targerts: idk if you knew who mynock was targeting Night 5, but the best posible shot for the madhatter was to bomb 2 people on the 4/7 list (it was 4/6 for u). Also you thought mafia could have killed you that night when it was clear that mafia couldnt hit someone in that list without revealing themselves.
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I agree with what Mynock said so far. Way the game was run was pretty good despite how it ended, there not much you can do about that about what has been suggested (banning inactives, etc). While I don't think the writing was that bad (well it may only be that I don't see as many english syntax errors since i'ts not m main language), I agree that it can detracts from clue analysis.
Anyway, those were my first mafia games (this one and Ace's) so I cannot speak much about role balance, etc, but I'm looking forward for more now that I understand a bit more what's going on and can participate more actively
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