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It's a very frustrating feeling for me, when my clue analysis etc. went largely ignored and nobody ever really discussed and then i get killed :s
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
It's a very frustrating feeling for me, when my clue analysis etc. went largely ignored and nobody ever really discussed and then i get killed :s | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On December 28 2008 03:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well gg. I was kinda frustrated this game. I honestly tried really hard to clue analyze and create discussion, but got like maybe 2-3 people responding with me. I was never part of any inner circle or anything, meaning my interpretations were only me based on the extremely little i could glean from the Day posts and a couple people's posting style. I was sure a couple of my clue connections were right, but nobody ever followed up on them after I died, being the obvious target I was. Then I got pissed at Amber for that whole bit, why would roleclaiming vigi having 1 hit left have mafia target you? It's funny in retrospect though, and cmon you can't blame me for thinking you're mafia It's a very frustrating feeling for me, when my clue analysis etc. went largely ignored and nobody ever really discussed and then i get killed :s haha I'm terribly sorry about misleading the town you can ask Qatol I felt bad doing what I did. I knew I would be under suspicion it didn't matter since I needed you guys to want to lynch me anyway. It was the only thing we could do to be clever was to have me roleclaim vigi :p | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On December 28 2008 01:50 Mynock wrote: BC, sorry for being aggressive, you deserve praise for even starting and doing it in the first place, I was just a bit irritable, sry again. :/ But yeah, a mynock eats electricity, so there is a definite link there of course, but the problem is, with clues, you have to make sure they don't connect to like 12 people on the list at the same time, so it's just not as easy as linking a person to SOMETHING, you have to link a person to SOMETHING while considering EVERYBODY else as well. That's why it's hard to make clues imo, and that's why this game virtually no clue was connected to the proper person at all. But whatever, we all improve with time, I think for your first ever attempt, this game definitely deserves praise, as it was fun. Inactives: YES, ban those who only register to check if they can get Mafia. I bet you a 100 bucks people like kuja or AZ would just meld into the inactive Town had they not gotten a Mafia role, they're just that kind of general category. They play it not for the game, but for some thrill of being a bad guy. As if getting a Mafia role in a Mafia GAME actually constitutes that. This is not what the game is about, so you should be VERY CLEAR on that before you start in it in the first place. And as for the whole silencer thing: WTF? How comes the silencer came up on the Mafia role check then? Shouldn't the silencer show up as green before recruited? And the list was made BEFORE malongo was recruited afaik. Where do i come off like that? You dont know me, i withheld posting this round to not flount my siggy cause i thought i was camulus after googling him. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On December 28 2008 02:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I demand apologies of all of you that thought I was mafia! :[ eh im still not sure about you, got some red in your blood somewhere | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On December 28 2008 03:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well gg. I was kinda frustrated this game. I honestly tried really hard to clue analyze and create discussion, but got like maybe 2-3 people responding with me. I was never part of any inner circle or anything, meaning my interpretations were only me based on the extremely little i could glean from the Day posts and a couple people's posting style. I was sure a couple of my clue connections were right, but nobody ever followed up on them after I died, being the obvious target I was. Then I got pissed at Amber for that whole bit, why would roleclaiming vigi having 1 hit left have mafia target you? It's funny in retrospect though, and cmon you can't blame me for thinking you're mafia It's a very frustrating feeling for me, when my clue analysis etc. went largely ignored and nobody ever really discussed and then i get killed :s Early on alot of your analysis was kind of garbage, no offense mate so we let you live then you started getting better and while the town didnt notice you the mafia sure did we lynched you to prevent your ideas from gaining ground. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On December 28 2008 04:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: haha I'm terribly sorry about misleading the town you can ask Qatol I felt bad doing what I did. I knew I would be under suspicion it didn't matter since I needed you guys to want to lynch me anyway. It was the only thing we could do to be clever was to have me roleclaim vigi :p yeah it was a shitty situation and i definitely understand the angle you tried to play it from now. it's too bad i was an idiot about it during the game though! | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On December 28 2008 04:22 Kuja900 wrote: Early on alot of your analysis was kind of garbage, no offense mate so we let you live then you started getting better and while the town didnt notice you the mafia sure did we lynched you to prevent your ideas from gaining ground. haha none taken. i knew i was going to die after i had started making those lists, but was ok with that because i thought my death would ultimately help the town. but that's not really the way it worked out haha | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On December 28 2008 03:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well gg. I was kinda frustrated this game. I honestly tried really hard to clue analyze and create discussion, but got like maybe 2-3 people responding with me. I was never part of any inner circle or anything, meaning my interpretations were only me based on the extremely little i could glean from the Day posts and a couple people's posting style. I was sure a couple of my clue connections were right, but nobody ever followed up on them after I died, being the obvious target I was. Then I got pissed at Amber for that whole bit, why would roleclaiming vigi having 1 hit left have mafia target you? It's funny in retrospect though, and cmon you can't blame me for thinking you're mafia It's a very frustrating feeling for me, when my clue analysis etc. went largely ignored and nobody ever really discussed and then i get killed :s Funny thing was I had originally wanted you, Scaramanga and Caller to be my inner circle instead of Scaramanga, Ace, and Caller. However, I wound up not having any choice in the matter when Scaramanga decided he "trusted Ace and Caller" and PMed them that I was a DT. At that point, I just didn't want too many people to know I was a DT so I stood a better chance of getting off my rolechecks/votechecks, and I figured that 3 was about as stable a number as I was going to get. I figured if I died then either the mafia would have to use a lot of hits on townies, or they lose another mafia to take me out. Regardless, I was watching your clue analysis decently carefully. However I was trying to cluecheck only people that were not on the lists and you didn't really put forward many candidates. Mynock and I kinda tried to follow up on your clue analysis, but neither of us really got that far. I wanted it discussed in the thread, but I was trying to play "inactive townie" because anyone who posted (or voted) died. I must say, it is kinda frustrating to be trying to post everything through other people though. Sometimes things just don't get posted that quickly, other times they aren't posted correctly. Did I totally misread how my votechecks worked with the silencer? I was under the impression that I would only get the silencer with them if he was red when he voted, not when I checked the list. And yeah, I like the ability to check the no vote list, it was just bad this time because the mafia didn't know about it. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
(PM from Fishball to Mynock) Plan eh? Don't worry. I don't give a flipping fuck to whatever you guys are doing. I'm really neither a townie or mafia. As I've told Ace, I'm just a guy playing for his own entertainment. Just FYI, I've already talked to a couple people through PM/MSN for the sake of boredom and to discuss my general observations, but I never posted anything in the thread to "persuade" the town or pull a movement in the background. I really care-less whoever wins at the end. So whatever I enjoy doing, I'll continue to do so. Also, take note that I never trusted you. I trust no one. But you(guys) don't have to convince me anything, mafia or not, as my existence shouldn't matter to either parties. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Night 1- Ver (hit) Night 2- Spike (miss) Day 3- Capek vigied (hit) Night 3- AttackZerg (hit) Day 4- Dimnsab vigied (hit) Night 4- Kdog (miss) 4/6 is really good tbh, especially since the misshits were only green townies. Although part of that was due to Capek/Attackzerg REALLY messing up, 4/6 is simply great. Everything after that delved into inactivity+imbavotelistigotyou land. This blows how we did last game out of the water, compares favorably with mafia 2, is roughly even with mafia 3 (6/8), and let's not talk about mafia 1 heh. I still disagree with Camlito that the medics should have gotten a ton of saves. Obviously who they did save was TERRIBLE but in days 2/3 the medics a) have no direct leadership and have to guess who the others would save b) have no idea what kind of targeting the mafia is doing c) have no idea how much the mafia knows. I think that Ace, Showtime, and Hyperbola would've been saved if there were good medics, but anything beyond that is a bit of a stretch. I mean yeah, a good medic could've figured out that SA was a blue, and a really smart one would've known that Camlito was DT, but would they risk saving those people when it's unlikely the mafia would know that? Last game we had central control of at least a couple medics but we still had no idea how the mafia were aiming until it was too late. In mafia 3 the mafia aimed for all the inactive townies. This game we followed a probable blue list. That became apparent after day 2 (or people chalking it up to luck/infiltration lol) but at that point they also started to deviate from that list with the (bad) double hit on Caller and going for active greens later. I do agree with Camlito though that both sides are potentially overpowered, and like with a mayor/pardonner setup, it can swing violently towards one or the other depending on how things played out. This game I felt actually was a good balance, since the DTs/vigis were really accurate while the mafia was too but we were lucky it came this close. It came down to losing me on day 1 vs inactivity as the twin deciding blows and the latter won out (barely). I think that overall there needs to be less of a range on that scale, cutting down KP and DT power and not deciding the game so much by who the mafia kills on the first few days. Just like in the last game, everything rests upon those first few nights and that's not good. Otherwise, we need some better blues, and not just actionwise. It's been two games in a row now that the blues got raped by pure behavior analysis by 3 different people. Seriously, you guys have to realize that there are enough smart people here who will see through the 'I'm blue so I should try to be active while lying low so the mafia doesn't hit me.' DOESN'T WORK NO SIR. Time to think up ideas for future games and to get some lists down. If anyone has any thoughts on how to make future games better it'd be great if you could post it. We're in this together! Edit: Why on earth is this in sports & games. I'm positive this led to decreased inactivity for a number of people who couldn't even find the thread for a few days. I remember decaf came in late because of this; naturally this effects the wishy washy people the most (semi-inactives who don't care as much) but it still does hurt overall activity and I'd recommend it go back in general. Simple thing but it might help a fair bit. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On December 28 2008 06:00 Qatol wrote: Also, this attitude of Fishball's was really frustrating to work with: (PM from Fishball to Mynock) Plan eh? Don't worry. I don't give a flipping fuck to whatever you guys are doing. I'm really neither a townie or mafia. As I've told Ace, I'm just a guy playing for his own entertainment. Just FYI, I've already talked to a couple people through PM/MSN for the sake of boredom and to discuss my general observations, but I never posted anything in the thread to "persuade" the town or pull a movement in the background. I really care-less whoever wins at the end. So whatever I enjoy doing, I'll continue to do so. Also, take note that I never trusted you. I trust no one. But you(guys) don't have to convince me anything, mafia or not, as my existence shouldn't matter to either parties. That is 80% true because he blindsided me. There was just too many flaws. Why would I trust him? I only trust the color of dead people. It would have been 50% before the hatter incident. But it is true I really don't give much of a crap to town. I play for chaos, for fun. I specifically got myself into that 3/4 Mafia list as I figured some DT would check it. That is what I call fun. Too bad AZ bailed me out and took away half of it. Also, Mynock already knew I was veteran as of our second PM. But on the bright side, at least I did use legitimate vote on the last day, though not that it matters, again. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On December 28 2008 06:07 Fishball wrote: That is 80% true because he blindsided me. There was just too many flaws. Why would I trust him? I only trust the color of dead people. It would have been 50% before the hatter incident. But it is true I really don't give much of a crap to town. I play for chaos, for fun. I specifically got myself into that 3/4 Mafia list as I figured some DT would check it. That is what I call fun. Too bad AZ bailed me out and took away half of it. Also, Mynock already knew I was veteran as of our second PM. But on the bright side, at least I did use legitimate vote on the last day, though not that it matters, again. Yeah, I assumed you were in contact with Ace and/or Caller. You being veteran didn't make it's way to me I don't think haha. We would have had a role discrepancy at that point because Scaramanga was convinced Clazz was a vet as well. He later roleclaimed green to Amber or Mynock (I don't remember which), which had me suspicious enough that I was planning on getting him lynched next after the guaranteed lists got taken care of. Oh well, that's what I get for trying to do everything via a mouth. | ||
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
On December 28 2008 06:15 Qatol wrote: Ver, I'd like to point out that only 1 vigi hit going through on night 2 kinda messed up the killing power of the town really badly. I thought that was the worst mistake the town made all game. I agree that the kills themselves were pretty strong, however we had 2 more misses and 1 more hit with the bomber/ last vigi hit. And remember, all of the lists we had were 50% or better. I don't think a 5/9 is really that amazing because of that. I mean, my strategy early was to check small lists so we could try and get some obvious targets for the mafia/medics to deal with (hence checking the folca/ scaramanga lists) and then do a listcheck on a big list, leaning towards the no vote day 1 list because it had the best chance of being really good for us. This worked better than I ever imagined it would, and I don't think our kills really reflected that. Yeah agree that the vigi double stack was a big error but it would've been worse for the town since I'm pretty sure Fishball would've been hit instead of dimnsab later on lol. I thought your list targets were great and normally would've won the game; no qualms there. I didn't want to add in anything after day 4 since the results would be skewed with you guys having gotten the wrong end of the 5/9 list first because the game ended before you killed the rest. | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On December 28 2008 06:20 Qatol wrote: Yeah, I assumed you were in contact with Ace and/or Caller. You being veteran didn't make it's way to me I don't think haha. We would have had a role discrepancy at that point because Scaramanga was convinced Clazz was a vet as well. He later roleclaimed green to Amber or Mynock (I don't remember which), which had me suspicious enough that I was planning on getting him lynched next after the guaranteed lists got taken care of. Oh well, that's what I get for trying to do everything via a mouth. I actually thought I made it super obvious throughout my posts. You know, "Expecting a hit, but not expecting to die" and all, I thought everyone knew my role already. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On December 28 2008 06:36 Kuja900 wrote: Qatol i must say you played great you werent on the mafias radar at all well played sir, definetly town mvp. His coordination really helped get the good townies semi-organized and the planning and clue checks were excellent =] | ||
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