On November 19 2008 02:49 Kweezy wrote: That's what I thought the plan was. If you weren't going to make it public, why would you just trust Caller to have it in his hands?
I expect Caller is going to follow his modified version of Ace's plan, which did not involve any revealed bodyguards at all.
And I already stated why I trusted the list to Caller in my previous post. If you aren't going to make the effort to read the thread, then at least try not to be impulsive.
On November 19 2008 02:49 Kweezy wrote: That's what I thought the plan was. If you weren't going to make it public, why would you just trust Caller to have it in his hands?
I expect Caller is going to follow his modified version of Ace's plan, which did not involve any revealed bodyguards at all.
And I already stated why I trusted the list to Caller in my previous post. If you aren't going to make the effort to read the thread, then at least try not to be impulsive.
Try not to be impulsive? Based on odds, I could choose any random player from this game to reveal my role too and more than likely they will be innocent. Is it smart? NO. But that's EXACTLY what you did.
On November 19 2008 02:58 Kweezy wrote: Sorry, I misread the BG plan. But that still doesn't explain why Caller should have the list. If he's Mafia, then they have the list regardless.
First, I trust Caller. He has been making sense, he has a plan (I liked Ver's better, but I won't argue the point), and he is significantly less likely than me to be mafia in the first place.
Second, he needed the list to enact the plan. Because of the last-minute push by Plexa and several others, I got shot into the mayoral spot at the last minute. This was unwanted by me and, indeed, most of the active town in general. This is a suspicious move that I can't prove I didn't orchestrate. So, the most logical choice for me to prove my innocence is to share the list with Caller and hope that I'm right in trust him.
Otherwise, I have little doubt that there'd be some sort of motion towards killing me off right now.
On November 19 2008 02:58 Kweezy wrote: Sorry, I misread the BG plan. But that still doesn't explain why Caller should have the list. If he's Mafia, then they have the list regardless.
First, I trust Caller. He has been making sense, he has a plan (I liked Ver's better, but I won't argue the point), and he is significantly less likely than me to be mafia in the first place.
Second, he needed the list to enact the plan. Because of the last-minute push by Plexa and several others, I got shot into the mayoral spot at the last minute. This was unwanted by me and, indeed, most of the active town in general. This is a suspicious move that I can't prove I didn't orchestrate. So, the most logical choice for me to prove my innocence is to share the list with Caller and hope that I'm right in trust him.
Otherwise, I have little doubt that there'd be some sort of motion towards killing me off right now.
That makes sense. It's sketchy as hell, but it does make a little sense.
On November 19 2008 02:49 Kweezy wrote: That's what I thought the plan was. If you weren't going to make it public, why would you just trust Caller to have it in his hands?
I expect Caller is going to follow his modified version of Ace's plan, which did not involve any revealed bodyguards at all.
And I already stated why I trusted the list to Caller in my previous post. If you aren't going to make the effort to read the thread, then at least try not to be impulsive.
Try not to be impulsive? Based on odds, I could choose any random player from this game to reveal my role too and more than likely they will be innocent. Is it smart? NO. But that's EXACTLY what you did.
No, it isn't exactly what I did. If you'll follow my reasoning, Caller ran for mayor before the roles were even passed out. Which means his placement is less likely mafia-backed than any other person running. For this to make any sense at all if he were mafia, he'd have to have drawn Godfather/AoC after running for mayor. If he's just a plain red, then rolecheck will reveal it.
On November 19 2008 03:11 Caller wrote: still waiting on the day post before saying anything
I continue to urge people to send me roles, a few people have done so but I need more please
remember false information hurts the town, b/c we might end up lynching you as a result T_T
And why would we be sending you roles when we aren't sure you're innocent? This just doesn't make sense.
You will never be sure I'm innocent. Not in this game. I could be the Godfather or the Traitor. That's a 4/84 chance. Even a DT check won't turn that up.
But think about it logically. There is an 80/84 chance that i'm not one of those. If i was AoC, I would have killed everybody by now after revealing the bg list. but i haven't done that, probably because I can't. And what if I'm regular mafia? A simple role check would be enough to screw me over. Would I risk putting myself into the limelight if I were normal mafia? Obviously as you can see in the other game prominent people get role checked fast. And I most likely got rolechecked.. fast.
As no DTs have spoken out yet I'm pretty sure both me and MTF are "innocent." now mtf might be a traitor or a godfather or something but w/e. you have to take chances in this game.
if you send me ur info what's the worse that 'll happen? people will die, and it will become blatantly obvious what happened. you could easily pick a trail of my supporters and whatnot and get good info before those roles went down too. But that's a 4/84 chance.
Take the probability right. Take a chance. Take the right move. Send me your info.
Would it be likely that the plexa train decided to jump ship to MTF randomly? or is it more liekly they didnt want a towny in office??
^To add to that last bit, seeing as it's somewhat leaning towards incriminating me in either direction, I'd like to bring back up the point that I am under immediate suspicion by what happened at the end last night. I also believe they may have been hoping that people would panic and jump from me to Caller to put him back in first, and then jump back from me to Plexa to get him in as Pardoner.
In any case, classtime for me. I'll be back in 3-4 hours.
Caller, I don't think the DTs (or any other role for that matter) could already have used their powers yet. Now, I might be wrong, but I don't think so. Call me over-cautious, but I believe people should wait till the DTs have had the ability to speak up, before sending you or MTF any of their roles. This also means, that if you or MTF are and AoC I don't think you could have used your abilities yet either. I'm not sure tho, a clarification from Ace would be nice.
I agree about the chances tho, of course (because honestly, you ran before the game, so your chances are random, also, MTF is a prominent clue-analyzer with a lot of auto-support, so I just don't want to believe our chances are so rotten, that both or one of you is a Traitor or Godfather). Of course the chances aren't zero, but they're not 100% either. So still, I'd suggest we wait till we definitely know no DTs have spoken up, and after that, everybody with a role SHOULD post them to you and the BGs asap.
We should not be pming Caller roles at all right now We must wait until there's been time for DTs to check him. I am disappointed that my revised bodyguard plan is not being followed, and now somewhat suspicious that Caller is asking for roles before anything. I do think it's very unlikely that he is a non-Godfather/traitor, if mafia at all (also unlikely), but it is still out of place.
I don't think Plexa's zombie army going to MTF makes him any more suspicious. This just seems like the idiot townies that messed up game 1 by mass voting Fakesteve. I definitely want these people on a vote list early. I'll post something more comprehensive in the afternoon.
That said, medics I am going to be dead come first day if I don't get protection (for very very obvious reasons). I am good at behavior analysis and want to get at least some work done. The other likely targets are Showtime! and randombum.
No one can use their roles until the game officially begins.
That's when Ace posts Day 1.
Furthermore, even if anyone were to try to use their role, Ace is not logged in and won't be until he posts Day 1, so it's null and void. No info could be gathered using powers if you are a Blue.
DUE TO THIS, EVERYONE SHOULD HOLD OFF ON SENDING ROLES TO ANYONE.
Give the DTs time to do their work.
Caller, if any DTs have contacted you already, you should organized them so that one is checking you, another is checking MTF, and another is checking MTF's vote list.
This will provide us with the most information.
Furthermore, why don't you guys (MTF/Caller) implement Ver's plan? Just 'cuz he did not get in office doesn't mean we can't use it.
On November 19 2008 03:50 Versatile wrote: No one can use their roles until the game officially begins.
That's when Ace posts Day 1.
Furthermore, even if anyone were to try to use their role, Ace is not logged in and won't be until he posts Day 1, so it's null and void. No info could be gathered using powers if you are a Blue.
DUE TO THIS, EVERYONE SHOULD HOLD OFF ON SENDING ROLES TO ANYONE.
Give the DTs time to do their work.
Caller, if any DTs have contacted you already, you should organized them so that one is checking you, another is checking MTF, and another is checking MTF's vote list.
This will provide us with the most information.
Furthermore, why don't you guys (MTF/Caller) implement Ver's plan? Just 'cuz he did not get in office doesn't mean we can't use it.
we're planning on doing so
i can't provide info right now as to who contacted me yet. Like I said as soon as Day 1 comes around we should begin the ball rolling.
That's probably a good idea versatile. But I think that there is still some merit in sending me role claims now.
I still think we should do the bodyguard plan at least for 1-2 days. Pming roles to Mayor before DTs act, while not probability wise high, is still a great risk and I don't like it.
We cannot check vote lists of the Mayor election.
We definitely need to set up some vote lists within the first two days though. There's some large contingents of people who are either really stupid, don't read before they post, or are mafia aligned. Knowing how many mafia are out of them is really important so we waste as little of time as possible. Again, I will post up some lists in a few hours when I have more time.
I would much rather do the bodyguard idea at least for the first day, than anything else. Then we tell the medics to randomly protection one of bodyguard/me/showtime/randombum. That will get us the most kill wastage of anything we can do I believe. Mafia won't have an idea of how many hits are needed, and might overload to kill them, or not put in enough.
And It gets even better with the other mafia.
Now both mafias will be either wasting a lot of kills stacking hits on the same people, or they will be hoping that the other mafia does the dirty work for them, and if both think that way, key town members live. Either way, we have to reduce the enormous kill count early and this seems like the best plan.
So, my class was cancelled (for the third time this semester, big deal seeing as it's a three hour lecture) and I'm back home now.
I think medics are going to be the key players this first night, simply due to the overwhelming number of mafia hits and the possibility that they will overlap.
On November 19 2008 04:06 Ver wrote: And It gets even better with the other mafia.
Now both mafias will be either wasting a lot of kills stacking hits on the same people, or they will be hoping that the other mafia does the dirty work for them, and if both think that way, key town members live. Either way, we have to reduce the enormous kill count early and this seems like the best plan.
Also keep in mind that the mafia families may unwittingly target each other, so that is a potential loss in kp. either way i think the number of dead on night 1 will be huge, and then drastically less the following nights. survival of the fittest, if you will!
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