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On November 01 2008 23:21 Falcynn wrote: hmmm...us using these random lists is so obviously a joke...but you actually seem intimidated by it. Maybe one of your mafia buds is on our list(s)? Or maybe I can run the same test a few times and see how many times YOUR name comes up (or edit my results so that I can further put doubt on your reputation). Maybe then you would somehow be a mafia too? Please. | ||
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On November 01 2008 23:53 Falcynn wrote: What? That doesn't even make sense, I just admitted that these tests are a joke (as in I'm not being serious at all with them) yet you're getting pretty defensive about all of this. If you want to run the test a few times and my name comes up...then fine, like I said I'm/we're screwing around and the fact that you're getting defensive about it just seems odd. Lol I said it was silly, so in essence we were saying the same thing, except you pointed a finger for no reason. I could just as easily say you could have an interest in downplaying the results as "screwing around." It's simply pointless and baseless, which is exactly what I said. I know that the average IQ on TL is around 180, but there are exceptions that might think there is a high chance of real mafia names coming up from these, and I don't want to have people going with random number generators over actual clues that aren't even released yet. | ||
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On November 02 2008 00:00 fusionsdf wrote: there are no mayors lol It might still be smart to nominate a leader of some sort who seems to have a good plan or at least a reputation for being intelligent lol. That way townies can organize a lot better, and I don't think the same kind of misdirection is as likely as it was with Ace. Not to discredit Ace, I liked his system, just there were too many bad interpretations and too many townies. EDIT: And I'm taking care of the list right now n_n | ||
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On November 02 2008 00:10 Plexa wrote: nominating a leader just helps the mafia... I guess that's true, considering there is no Mayor/Bodyguard position in this game, and there won't be enough medics if mafia all decide to gang up. On the other hand, it doesn't make much difference, seeing as it is usually the active posters who are pointing closer to the truth in clue analysis that are taken out out of self-preservation, and those are also the people who would be good choices for leadership. Either way, people who are useful will perish. At least having a set group of people that could organize things between each other while they perish one by one will help us narrow down the list of mafia, and if these people are smart, they won't have blue roles. That way by eliminating the active clue analyzers, we would also be potentially forcing the mafia to focus on plain townies, while leaving the useful blue names alive for longer. | ||
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On November 02 2008 01:06 Empyrean wrote: Ok. Don't rally behind anyone at the moment, mainly because they could be mafia. That way, when they release some "convincing" clues, it could just be the mafia giving out false information. Actually, the mafia could rally the town to lynch another mafia member the first day, thus building trust in the first mafia member. Their kill count won't decrease, anyway. Then, they'll say something along the lines of "hey paramedics, protect me please! I think I'm going to die because I'm giving you guys all this information!". At the end, when all the paramedics are protecting him, if the first mafia was the suicide bomber, he'd just go and suicide himself against some random townie, killing a townie, and multiple paramedics along with him. So watch out for that. That's what I was going to do if I were mafia. Uh, wouldn't detectives obviously have to check out any person that is garnering a lot of support and authority? | ||
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On November 02 2008 01:35 fusionsdf wrote: yeah but its pretty hard for town to tell the difference between DT and mafia There is a pretty easy way to check it, but it would waste time that could spent doing other things. But I can see what you mean, how it would still be somewhat based on trust I guess. EDIT: Empyrean's post says it better, I forgot for a moment that it'd be dangerous for DTs to let ANYONE know their identity now. | ||
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On November 03 2008 00:55 Falcynn wrote: We'd do the same thing we did for the mayor plan last game. If a detective speaks up we lynch him. If he's red he's dead (I love rhymes  ) and if he's blue then we kill the person he spoke up about.It may be unlikely that a DT would sacrifice himself...but it's all we got. This. Wouldn't it be safer to lynch the person he spoke up about, and if he DOESN'T come up red then lynch the DT? By lynching the DT you have a 1:1 ratio of blue : red losses at best. With the idea I just posted, a DT who has verified himself by giving a red name could keep producing results, thus being far more useful to the town than was if he was dead. It would also take away the whole sacrifice element that would prevent DTs from speaking up; I think they would become relative loners and would try to make posts that are convincing but not too convincing, acting as one of the analysts, in order to hide their role, and their factual knowledge of who is mafia and who isn't could be lost. | ||
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On November 03 2008 01:08 Falcynn wrote: There's also the small chance that the mafia will false claim and get one of their own killed in order to gain the trust of the town. If the town believes that a mafia is detective, he can have a lot of sway over how the town votes. But if the next name comes up blue, then the fake DT gets lynched and you have lost 1 blue name and killed 2 mafia. I don't see why this is not plausible. I am not deviating too far from the strategy Ace mentioned: the DT will be lynched, but only if one of the people he names does NOT come up red. While the names keep coming up red, the DT stays alive. As soon as his information is faulty, we lynch him. How is this not more practical? | ||
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My list. I think it's better for finding specific people, whereas araav's is better for general clue searching. | ||
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On November 03 2008 07:05 Scorch wrote: What if we lynch someone with a meaningless name and profile, like ulszz, KH1031, ZBiR or KF91? If one of these is mafia, the clues will have to be so obscure that they'll be hard to pin down. Of course that only makes sense as long as we don't really have anything better to do. On the contrary, Chuiu always said that when the information he has is limited about a member, the clues get more obvious. Hence, weird names and lacking profiles are easy ways to actually catch a mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2008 07:56 xDark.Carnivalx wrote: I don't like the idea of lynching based on a few clues and nothing else to crossreference, but I'm pretty sure we have to lynch, unless we can all abstain and wait for the next day with more clues. I'd rather go with clue based lynch than someone who is busy and didn't get the time to post here, so they get killed off and we get lucky or not. I think this is an especially good idea (I didn't think we could abstain) since anyone with blue names would try to keep quiet, as quiet as mafia might. It's a stab in the dark and nothing more, and statistically speaking this is not a good bet. Although, if we DO have to lynch, an inactive might be our best bet. If we can though, I vote to abstain. | ||
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On November 03 2008 08:06 Scorch wrote: May I remind you that KF91 was the penultimate mafia alive last game? Just because the clues aren't obvious to the few people who go through the trouble of posting lengthy analysis doesn't mean that the clue isn't obvious in general. By more obvious I don't mean it will have like their name backwards or something, I mean that it is easier to just keep their name in mind (if that is all they have) and just try to place it in every sentence. | ||
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Too many bullets being fired in a glass house, breaking pretty windows T_T | ||
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On November 03 2008 17:19 Mandalor wrote: Did Folca use his second role check already? I've read through the last pages, but probably missed it. If you haven't, I suggest checking either nemY or SoleSteeler. It really only is a gut feeling I have, but first of all they posted the exact same things: "I abstain, because I don't have a clue. Good Luck to the town blah blah." Sort of. It's the exact same thing 80% of us mafia did at the beginning of the last game before we had a plan. I vote to lynch Folca, for now. I have to disagree with you. People abstain from voting when they don't agree with the current trends in the game (the current Folca vs Ace thing is kind of ugly and fishy to me, it seems a bit too weird that someone would impale themselves on the cross for 1 Mafia kill. There is definitely a ploy in there to fuck the town over, imo.). Mafia would be more likely to play along with the plans in motion so as to mix themselves in with the crowd. At least that's how I see it. EDIT: Good night all. | ||
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On November 04 2008 05:26 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: to all people abstaining, abstaining hurts the detectives' job. Please, i encourage to vote for either of the 3 prime candidates for lynching, with is Ace/Folca/Decaf. DT'S Cant check abstain lists, and splitting into to many candidates will make it useless. if you want to really abstain vote for the lowest vote count candidate. Right now i think folca is most likely lynched so vote for ace or decaf I guess you're right, I didn't think that the abstain list can't be checked. Fine. I feel bad for Chuiu, though, always re-counting votes. I'm voting for Ace. Like I said, I didn't really want to vote, but since it really will hurt the town I guess... Here is my reasoning on all current suspects, hopefully many of you will take the time to read this and will agree: 1) Ace Ace is smart, active, and a constant force in Mafia games. What does this mean? That he is always a threat to the opposite side. Other people have listed the possible motives or combinations of roles for the Folca vs. Ace collision, so I won't go too in depth on it. If he is Mafia, he is pretty fucking good at covering up his intent, or somehow making the Mafia's benefit seem like the town's benefit. I'm not 100% on his innocence (maybe like 50%). I am not 100% sure that it's a good idea to lynch a strong player like him, but I am 100% sure that he is capable of some shit like this. The clues pointing to him are interesting ones (the trusting authority being a possible connection to last game's mayor... it would be a great clue). Given that I assume he has the ability to trick us all and mislead us into doing Mafia's dirty work, I am voting Ace. 2) Folca Folca had some good posts, some terrible posts (in terms of logic). Also his hyper-aggression is a bit unsettling, seeing as he only allegedly used one check and only one person... Who also happens to be one of the most useful players in the game. It would be very beneficial for the Mafia to kill off Ace even if he is just green at the cost of one of their own, because their killing power does not decrease, and on top of that the people Ace defended are now up for suspicion as well, diluting the list of actual Mafias on the suspect list. However, all this doesn't eliminate the possibility that he is just inconsistently smart and is actually a DT. If this is the case, then losing him would also damage the town, as losing a DT for a Mafia is not a fair trade, even if the town chooses to go after decaf or MG after and find them to be red. At this rate, we'd lose all our DTs pretty fast... I strongly advise all other DTs to not do what Folca did. This brings me back to the point that a good DT with the town's best interest in mind wouldn't act like he did, though he is like 15 (not that age matters, but it might) and inconsistently smart like I said, it makes his legitimacy suspicious to me. Maybe I am making a long stretch in this one, but I think it's interesting to find little clue connections like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/24404.jpg?1162781569 ^ From Folca's profile. "Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet." Doesn't that look like the cats in the picture? Oh well... Still don't want to risk losing a potential DT. 3) Decafchicken I think that the evidence for him is ridiculous, and he has done absolutely nothing else incriminating otherwise. I don't see how people don't get that COFFEE DOES NOT ALWAYS = DECAF. Jesus, are chickens and coffee permanently taboo topics as long as decaf is in the game? We went over this in Mafia 2, this is just hot air to me. If Ace turns up red, I don't think his support of decaf is incriminating either, seeing as it is plain logical. Poor guy should just use a different name for Mafia games, seriously. 4) MidnightGladius I find the clue pointing to him to be stronger than any indications from his behavior. However, he is not the town's focus right now, and rightfully so, since we only have one decent clue in his direction. 5) Plexa Another strong player. The authority hint might point towards him, and like Ace I fully expect him to be able to twist shit to make us believe he is a townie. However, I can't say that I am too swayed in either direction about him simply because his views have been moderate and logical, as they always are. 6) MTF Yet another strong player. Ironic, isn't it, how all the heavy hitters are instantly suspects? I don't know what to think about all of this, I don't see reasonable evidence for any of them as of now, but it is interesting. Maybe it's because Folca is accusing/incriminating those that are most logical (in my eyes, at least), because they are the most likely to eliminate Mafia as more clues arise? I wish I knew. 7) JeeJee Lol. So, I vote for Ace. | ||
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On November 04 2008 08:52 Folca wrote: Keep in mind people, if you really do believe that i am a Detective.. Ace is trying his best to discredit what im saying, contradicting myself Dont fall into this, keep true to what you really think is the truth Keep in mind Folca that no one knows for sure that you are a detective so I don't see why anyone should believe you ENTIRELY. It is just as possible that YOU are MAFIA and want an important member of the TOWN dead, seeing as he is very useful even if he is GREEN, but if he is BLUE then you doubled your profits. AM I CLEARER NOW? | ||
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On November 04 2008 09:01 clazziquai wrote: That's the thing that I'm worried about. A mafia member sacrifice is very well worth it for someone like Ace dead. But I hope that this isn't a trick. I think that is what is on everyone's mind right now, I was just making it a point to Folca that he is not gaining anyone's confidence by making desperate emphasized posts, in fact he makes me doubt my vote for Ace even more... I really don't want to switch again but I might. | ||
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On November 04 2008 17:19 araav wrote: AHHH FUCK YOU kids... congrats of losing one of the best roles in this game vigis killlllll Ace please, next night of course It's more Folca's fault than anyone else's, honestly. DTs need to play smarter than that. | ||
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On November 04 2008 22:56 HeRoS)Pink wrote: Well, atm if ace is mafia he did his job by slowing us for 1 day on day 2 , we should not waste our lynch on him why? 1) eveeryone will vote for Ace so there wont be any information with the vote count thats almost certain , so we would have lost 2 day/night circle to kill 1 mafia? not that good to me. 2) we should ask vigi to kill him at night (remember that even if 3 vigi goes on him, 2 of them wont work and wont be lost) What im trying to say is that we will lose important information from the day 2 lynch if we kill ace cuz as we have seen today almost none of us respected the instruction we had all agreed on and we will also lose information on voting pattern I agree, we need vigis to hit Ace so we can investigate a different set of lists tomorrow, and possibly eliminate a mafia by lynching one of the current suspects. | ||
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On November 05 2008 01:18 Empyrean wrote: Ace, decaf, and MidnightGladius supported each other as early as page 18 onward. Well, here is how I see it, logically. Case 1) Ace is mafia, decaf and Gladius are innocent. Variant A As you said, he defended them pretty early on. He knew he was mafia, and knew that they weren't. He defended them logically, playing it as if he was a townie - saying exactly what he would say if he wasn't Mafia at all. This way he is trying to appear as a protector to the town, keeping the town's best in interest in mind. This would raise his rep, make him appear less like a mafia. I find this alternative to be highly possible. Variant B I am taking your word on the fact that he defended them before the accusation here, so this is making this variant unlikely, but he could have been setting plans for the future. He probably knew it wouldn't be long before someone checks him, as most important players in the game ought to be checked to make sure they aren't misleading the town. As I and many others have said, it is very possible that he is that conniving and foreplanning given his reputation from previous games. This way, as I think you or fusion suggested, when people go back and see who Ace was adamant about defending, those 2 names would come up, and Ace would be taking two townie lives with him, or at least raising some sort of suspicion to once again dilute the list of actual Mafia being suspected. Of course he didn't know how soon his time would come, but that is irrelevant if you follow this logic. Although this seems possible, it is somewhat unlikely. Case 2) Ace is mafia, decaf and/or Gladius are Mafia. Variant A - Both are Mafia. Ace is trying to defend his fellow Mafia from the gallows. Although this would be logical and highly probable in a normal situation, I don't think Ace is that simple. Maybe I am overestimating him, but I don't think he would overlook the fact that (as I mention in 1;B) he will be checked at some point in the game. With the presence of other strong players such as MTF, you, fusion, Plexa, etc., he should KNOW that someone would backtrack and try to find allegiances and connections based on behavior. The tenacity with which he defended them tells me that this is an unlikely case, it would make him and them too obvious. Like you said before, he would be trying to keep the town's best interest at least superficially in mind to limit any suspicions placed on him in the future. Hence, I find this unlikely. Variant B - Only one is Mafia. Ace is trying to defend his fellow Mafia from the gallows, and is trying to dilute the amount of Mafia he is directly defending. I find this possible, but given what I said in 2;A, I don't think this plan is as good as what Ace would have probably come up with (1;A). Thus, since I find 1;A to be the most likely variant, I don't think I would point a finger at either decaf or MG based on Ace's defensiveness. I would look more into the clues. To me, the decaf clue is (as many have stated, and have been either suspected as Mafia or ignored) weak, and common, and serves as no evidence due to game 2. I doubt Chuiu did it on purpose as a red herring, it's just a normal thing, as cobbler said. The MG clue is pretty strong in my mind, and if no better suspects come out due to the upcoming clues, my vote will lie with him. | ||
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On November 05 2008 08:13 clazziquai wrote: d_so: how do you play it in real life?? That's usually how its done xD | ||
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On November 05 2008 11:24 ZBiR wrote: One thing - Ace knew Folca was legit, and also knew that lynching him will reveal his identity. Why would he then want to rush his death? First possible reason is that he was just being dumb. I think we could exclude it, knowing Ace from previous game (although I would be far from calling it 100% true, cause he seemed to panic a bit after being confronted by Folca) The second reason - much more likely - is that he knew he's going to die so he didn't care about that, but killing Folca right now gave him (or rather the mafia team) additional benefit. That benefit would be saving other mafia member that was supposed to be lynched instead of Folca, namely decafchicken (or maybe Gladius, but he was really unlikely to die then). It was always either Ace or Folca to be lynched, I don't see where you're coming from. Also, what stops us from lynching decaf tomorrow or the day after (if vigi fail hardcore)? There is simply no logic behind this. | ||
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On November 05 2008 17:44 clazziquai wrote: So what's going to be our next plan? Lynch who? Defend who? What should Mad Hatters do? Jacks? Detectives? I'm thinking we wait on lynch until we get more clues. As far as defending, medics should have a few obvious choices in mind at the moment, namely useful apparent townies. DTs analyze the Ace/Folca lists, use any extra ability to check suspicious players. Jacks can work as vigi to kill Ace in case vigis don't do it. That is what I would do anyways. | ||
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On November 06 2008 02:17 fusionsdf wrote: why is any of this relevant? lynch ace, we'll have a new set of clues, and go from there It's relevant because the ulterior motives of people's behavior is often a good clue in itself, like the Ace vs. FS argument. I would have to side with XCetron, it does seem like Ace and FS are trying to add another mafia to the non-suspect list by creating this fight, since FS's behavior (inactivity, cynicism, abstaining from the vote) is kind of suspicious. | ||
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On November 06 2008 04:53 nemY wrote: Pretty sure FS was like this in the first game; just ignore his behavior. As for lynching Ace... let's wait and see what clues the Day post possibly brings. If it brings down some solid concrete evidence that "x" player is mafia lynch him and vigi ace. If it brings ambiguity, then let's just lynch Ace. emirite? I don't think there is ever solid concrete evidence, just highly likely or not likely, which can also be up to personal discretion. Vigi hits, however, are guaranteed. However I agree with you, as I said before, I base my vote on clues not speculations. | ||
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*cough* Ace... EDIT: For convenience: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81500 Updating shortly. | ||
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On November 06 2008 15:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That would be way to simple of a clue wouldnt it? At first I didn't think so, but now that I see the list of names... It does seem highly likely to me that my interpretation is probably false. There is no way Chuiu would give 1 option for N and 2 options for I, it's basically 2 free Mafias for the town. Anyone have any other ideas? | ||
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On November 06 2008 15:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The names for these suspects Anonymous Man Individual (nefarious) Neighbour Guess, we are trying to tie people to these names correct? My impression is Anonomyous is not ace as well, he is anything but that As for Neighbour, his bit ends with the words Nevermore This reminds me of two things, Dota which i doubt would be that obvious and Edgar allen poe's The Raven Who likes poe or is linked to a bird Falcynn? I always thought that was a play on falcon... Kind of a stretch though. I don't know any others. | ||
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What have I done? fusion, let's wait and see what other people say. | ||
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On November 07 2008 13:13 fusionsdf wrote: ok but if hes innocent we lynch you next, ok? I support this. But what if he is a DT or something and thought that this cute facade would throw suspicion off of him? Can we risk that? On November 07 2008 13:14 Mynock wrote: You don't reply to a PM and send it to the wrong person. If you reply, you already have the person in the address, so you have to manually change it in order to "accidentally" send it to somebody else. So what you're saying is either Ace faked it all the way or they are both Mafia and bum was trying to point a finger away from himself early in the game by faking it... | ||
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On November 07 2008 13:17 Mynock wrote: Just Ace having his fun... I told you to dismiss everything he says... All those role-claims he did included. Isn't it possible that the latter option I stated is true also? I can see a Mafia going out of their way to make the most out of a bad turn of events (losing Ace). EDIT: In this scenario bum would be the one faking it, and I doubt Ace is stupid enough to suggest something like this. | ||
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On November 07 2008 15:35 Jimtudor wrote: Lol, that's ironic of course now that i look at it. Just why the hell would anyone pm roles to strangers....sigh. Is this some elaborate facade to make us believe you're a vet and not a mafia? Because it's kind of failing. | ||
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Lol... You start a sentence with "Ace said..." and you expect me to believe anything that follows? | ||
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On November 07 2008 15:47 Jimtudor wrote: there will be nothing there because there is nothing there. Epic. | ||
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On November 09 2008 06:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: * Denotes people who didn't vote on Day 1 1.imDerek* 6. XCetron 19. araav 33. Yogurt 37. KH1031* 43. Plexa 44. KF91 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 49. [GiTM]-Ace 50. G.s)NarutO Only two people have never voted even once. That's not overly helpful since it will be hard to formulate clues based upon their user names. Derek is easier than KH at least. You should count abstaining as not voting. | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:25 Chuiu wrote:To finish Mandalor off he pulled the blade all the way to the other end of his stomach. Doesn't this sound kind of like a harakiri? Granted it's not suicide, but it's might be a direction we could go on in the clue. | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: seeing as well, two of the two dead mafia seemed to have rather, insanely strong clues pointed towards them, Scorch would fit the bill of a link to fire and burning and Midnight Gladius for a link to a knife as per his image in his profile or araav as he has a zealot in his profile, and we all know a zealot has two blades for the link to who killed bumatlarge, it seems to be that another martial artist fought him, and as i said, going by how the clues seemed to be obvious ones, id nominate naruto as well, naruto is a shinobi in a manga, who would have the ability to fight with martial arts edit: as per duality reference, infundibulum's profile has a dog with two tennis balls, and a link to a game called gladiatus hero of rome which would explain the knives Wow, those are pretty fucking good o: | ||
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someone has PMed me claiming to be a detective, and they used a role check on fusionsdf he is mafia (if you believe the PM, which I do, since mafia doesnt gain a ton by faking it) so do we switch votes tonight, or lynch midnight gladius and lynch fusionsdf tomorrow? tl;dr: fusionsdf is mafia --- Does anyone find this asinine finger pointing as stupid as I do? Mafia does gain a ton, because like I said before they are simply working to dilute the suspects list with people who aren't mafia. They saw that MG is getting a lot of votes, didn't want to lose KP, and now have faked a PM claiming I am Mafia. Everyone bandwagons because fusionsdf posted it in the thread, I get lynched, flip green, and their KP remains the same for one more night. Let us work off of clues, not random PMs that are just as likely to be BS Mafia plots as real DT PMs. EDIT: And it's just as likely that fusionsdf made up this whole PM story in order to do the same thing, to take attention away from other likely candidates for at least another day or two. Hmm, let's see, who could that be? Any of the following: Scorch BloodyCobbler MidnightGladius, most of all. Can anyone find any clues linked to me, at all? Probably not. Why? Because I'm not Mafia. Can we find clues linked to those 3 individuals? Yes. Why? Because they are probably Mafia. THINK before you BANDWAGON, people. | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:32 fusionsdf wrote: um its not finger pointing its a DT rolecheck. If its correct, you die and we are down a mafia. If its a lie, I already have systems in place to make the name of the 'DT' public. In which case that mafia will die. Either way, a mafia is dying tonight (probably) or tomorrow (if all else fails) And what if you are a Mafia and the name of the DT is another townie (hopefully a blue), so when I turn up green (since you know I'm not Mafia), you make everyone lynch the supposed DT, who will also turn up green/blue. Kind of a beneficial circumstance, especially if someone trusted you early on like they trusted Ace and PM'd you information on our roles. Here is what I suspect is happening: DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. Are you all really so blind in your bandwagon that you can't see this? | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:45 Bockit wrote: Except if the dt is legit and pm'd fusion and fusion is mafia then the dt is dead anyway as nobody knows his name for paramedics to save and mafia will definitely kill him tonight. If this is the scenario the dt is lost anyay so it's just tossing up between you and fusion. That said, this situation is so implausible it's not funny. Why would a REAL dt (because this situation you're describing requires a REAL dt) pm a random townie with FALSE information (which is what is required if you are green/blue as per the circumstances you describe), he is risking everything for NO GAIN (town lynches a blue/green instead of a red) and also his own life when he is so important. You misunderstand. A real DT PM'd him about some finding he had, trusting fusionsdf to be his mouthpiece (without rolechecking HIM first, obviously, kind of like how people PM'd Ace). Fusions is a Mafia, and finds out that _____ is a DT. He puts out false information to stall the town's lynches, get rid of a DT, and a green/blue (me) at the same time. After what happened with Ace, is it really so hard to imagine? Come on Bockit, I thought you would understand at least the theory behind this. | ||
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FanatIcism, maybe. Fanatacist, no. It's a bastardization of a Russian word that me and my friends used as a band name back in the day. EDIT: On November 10 2008 12:45 fusionsdf wrote: well there is another factor which makes this unlikely, but I cant reveal it to town, because that would benefit mafia. fanatacist, if a real DT PMed me a name, and I take that name and replace it with fanatacist, the DT can speak up and say a) this original target is mafia and b) fusionsdf changed the target, so he is mafia as well. then we trade 2 mafia for a green and a blue yeah not a good deal for the mafia How convenient. I'm assuming they didn't PM you a name but a list analysis. If it was a name and you did that, he would have done as you just described. | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:55 Bockit wrote: I misinterpreted what you meant then. Except again, you're missing something important there. The real dt can now speak up. In fact, if this is the case (that fusion is a mafia and is putting forward the false name), I ask for the dt to speak up so that we don't lose a green/blue. If this is the correct scenario, you are going to die anyway (fusion is a mafia and you are now known as a dt). If this happens (the dt who pm'd fusion calls out fusion as a liar), you're clean fanatacist. I have my doubts at this stage. You probably wrote this as I made my edit above, so I will just restate that it is possible that the DT sent a list analysis and not a specific name. It was probably an incriminating analysis for a Mafia (fusionsdf) to pull this out of the hat, although like I also mentioned earlier, wasting time, greens, and a DT for the sake of ONE Mafia (while other suspects like MG and whoever is on this list keep on living) is more than worth it. There is no real reason for me to be a DT either, I don't see where you pulled that from. I am not a DT, I am not Mafia, I am just a townie who can see through the shit curtain being pulled down to cover up MG as soon as that bandwagon started rolling, probably clearer than many of you because I am obviously not going to be joining a bandwagon to lynch myself since I know I'm green. | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:57 Bockit wrote: Why do people keep using this argument of what their names *actually* mean, to them. How you interpret your name is completely irrelevant to how Chuiu interprets it. he doesn't know the backstory, he might only see a word that looks very similar to fanaticist. You're not the first to do this too. The clue is pretty damning. I understand this point, but the spelling is not the same. Cat and hat are off by one letter, does that make one of them a possible clue for the other? No. If you want me to look up clues in this fashion I'm sure I can give you a rather long list of names where you change one or two letters to make it apply to a phrase in Chuiu's post. | ||
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On November 10 2008 13:02 fusionsdf wrote: if it was just a vague list check that I altered, I could kill the DT quietly instead its the choice between getting a blue for free, or sacrificing a red for a blue and a green doesnt make much sense If the DT saw that you didn't speak up about his information he would understand that you are Mafia, and would then have TWO important pieces of information to reveal to the town if it came down to that. | ||
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On November 10 2008 13:06 ShadowDrgn wrote: I don't think there's a DT involved at all. Fusionsdf is mafia, makes up the DT story (real original since it's already been used for real this game), and we're supposed to lynch the person he chose. After fanatacist turns up green/blue, we lynch the supposed DT, which is going to be another name fusionsdf makes up. Three days later, we kill him. Doing this makes perfect sense if MidnightGladius is actually mafia and fusionsdf is covering for him to buy time (and kills). I realize this is going to look really bad for me if fanatacist gets lynched and turns up red.  That's another possibility, probably even more probable, but less profitable for Mafia than if a DT is involved. ~Opz~, fusionsdf is on the same list, is it not possible that he was worried of the same and went out of his way to single me out? What if both him and Chezinu are Mafia; they kill Mynock, which instantly would throw suspicion onto them and myself. In order to get at least one mafia out of this list, they would scapegoat me. | ||
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On November 10 2008 13:25 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: ### I change my vote to Fanatacist the attitude speaks for itself. If fanatacist was a townie, he would rather make sure the town get a hold on fusion or the "DT" that pm'ed him. Instead of fighting desperately for his life. Mafia cant risk helping him out because they would be revealed as well. Sorry fanatacist, if you're town, you'll be sacrificed to a greater good. I think I was doing both, by giving that explanation for why fusion/this hypothetical DT could be Mafia or non-existant respectively. fusionsdf, this is also a possibility, but clearly I find it unlikely due to what I know about my role and what I suspect about yours. ~Opz~, I didn't leave it out, you added it in after I quoted you. | ||
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On November 10 2008 13:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: Can you please do this then? Please? Stop throwing out the fact that your name is extremely close to fanaticism. Bockit's response to this post of mine basically made it pointless for me to do this. | ||
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