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Think about it, guys.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Tracil or anyone, but in the introduction, it's known that there are multiple mafia.
I'm just a bit suspicious that Tracil's being so helpful. How do we know the mafia aren't acting in collusion to get him elected? He has a large number of votes already. After his election, in which he has the mafia vote AND the townspeople vote, IF he is part of the mafia, the game is effectively over. Mafia + major is a very dangerous position to be in.
That being said, I'm withholding my vote. I want to see Tracil's defense.
I also have dinner plans coming up!
(I only used Tracil as an example. The same reasoning can be applied for the other people as well)
EDIT: Please don't assassinate me tonight, mafia 
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On February 12 2008 08:38 Tracil wrote:
Response
Wow. You sure have set my mind straight 
I guess we'll have to work more together then, if we want to win.
My vote's going to you :D
I vote for Tracil for mayor.
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On February 12 2008 12:18 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting.... You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height. but if you're a mafia member you know that it was a red herring and it points to none of the mafia members. you saw the posts that spent time analyzing that clue. knowing it was a red herring while other people didn't, you intentionally slipped. this 'slip' was supposed to make us believe you arent a mafia member because you wouldn't leave a clue like that. And you cant make the excuse that the clue didnt point to you so your comment has nothing to do with it. okay so the clue didnt point to you and it may not point to anyone, but you did that on purpose to make yourself look like an "idiot mafioso ", but really you knew it would make us all think that you were a townie instead because mafia members can't be that dumb and just give away clues like that.
Man. Your recent wild accusations make me think that you're a mafioso :/
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On February 12 2008 12:25 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
it's strange because i thought the same of you. you play piano right? hmmm.. if i recall don't pianist bow "As if ceremoniously, with an arm extended" to the crowd?
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...pianists don't bow that way. You ever see a performance?
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On February 12 2008 12:29 demonic_phate wrote:
I'm starting to beleive that if you just shut your mouth up and stay quiet you have a much higher chance at survival. Otherwise people will look you up, devise some crackpot reason for you being the mafioso, declare their reasons....
Madness? THIS IS TL MAFIA!!!!!!
Then again, if we're all silent, the mafia might just randomly start picking among us randomly.
And who wants to play Russian Roulette with mafia?
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On February 12 2008 12:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop. So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia? WAT? There's the possibility of both of us lying too. I doubt shallow is mafia anyways, he would be more inclined to lay low, rather than try to start drama that would put him at risk. The REAL situation is basically just a big joke by shallow, which everyone took to be true.
Actually, I'm kind of inclined to agree here.
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On February 12 2008 12:49 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:43 Empyrean wrote:On February 12 2008 12:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop. So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia? WAT? There's the possibility of both of us lying too. I doubt shallow is mafia anyways, he would be more inclined to lay low, rather than try to start drama that would put him at risk. The REAL situation is basically just a big joke by shallow, which everyone took to be true. Actually, I'm kind of inclined to agree here. I smell mafia backup. What would dragoon be lying about? The PM that he now admits he sent? Or is he lying about not being a mafia? Surely it is the former. In any case, both of them being liars just means both of them need to get lynched, although it's just Dragoon who is getting caught up in his web of lies. Plus, he called for Empyrean mafia backup.
Whatever. Let's just vote to lynch both of them. The mafia count'll probably go down, and it's not like we have anyone better to lynch :/
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On February 12 2008 12:55 mahnini wrote:
wait why were you exchanging PMs in the first place?
do you know each other previously OR are you both mafias and after meeting shallow made a joke about you being mafia even though your really are!
I always thought all mafia members knew who each other were.
Or is that not the case? Do mafia members know each other are?
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On February 12 2008 12:56 Empyrean wrote:
I always thought all mafia members knew who each other were.
Or is that not the case? Do mafia members know each other are?
Quote, since I want that question answered.
@ Zelniq:
tl;dr: DrDragoon and Shallow are pretty much candidates for being lynched. Big photoshop deal going on. Tracil's bound for major, Pardoner is still up for grabs.
EDIT: I'm going to sleep now.
EDIT: Nevermind, I read the first post much more carefully. It turns out that mafia members know who each other are.
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When will the next update be! I've been refreshing my page over and over :D
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You should update the first post!
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Until the townspeople decide to band together and kill him....
...if that's what the general sentiment is, of course.
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Haha, looks like we didn't even need to lynch GeneralStan.
TL staff did it for us :D
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So...if, for some reason, Steve dies, does that mean that Tracil will automatically be mayor? Steve can still be lynched even with his bodyguards, so we can depose him if we want!
Maybe townspeople can call for another election or something.
And what about all the people who signed up but aren't participating? That angers me :/
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On February 14 2008 07:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2008 07:37 Yogurt wrote:On February 14 2008 07:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
So does that mean that...I might be dead when day comes? Fucking Mafia. keep tryin to hide it big boy =] Is that a threat?
Well, you've been making massive accusations the whole game. And you're always including in your post something that tries to imply that you're not a mafioso. But all it really does is cast doubt on you and your honesty in this game :/
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On February 14 2008 07:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2008 07:44 Empyrean wrote:On February 14 2008 07:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 14 2008 07:37 Yogurt wrote:On February 14 2008 07:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
So does that mean that...I might be dead when day comes? Fucking Mafia. keep tryin to hide it big boy =] Is that a threat? Well, you've been making massive accusations the whole game. And you're always including in your post something that tries to imply that you're not a mafioso. But all it really does is cast doubt on you and your honesty in this game :/ I've been deciphering clues like no tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure that everyone is implying they're not Mafioso (ie. Zapling's capitalized letters spelling "Me Towny"). I can see why they'd want me dead when I'm interpreting the clues pretty well (in my opinion)
You're interpreting clues "pretty well"?
That's hilarious.
Or just pathetic.
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...
There has to be some way to get Tracil to be a mayor. He knows the most out of everyone in the game, so it's probably the best choice to have him as the mayor.
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Well, not many people have really done anything in the past day.
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If I were mayor, I wouldn't reveal who my bodyguards were to the Pardoner. There's still a chance that the Pardoner's part of the mafia, and after he knows who the bodyguards are, will kill them off so the mayor is left without guards.
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On February 14 2008 12:24 Tracil wrote:
L is a character from Death Note, and he's a brilliant detective. He figures out the villian via how he plays a game of tennis.
SO, anyone for a round of starcraft?! </joke, you'd beat me I suck>
I'd still like you to respond to my previous post (bottom of previous page).
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What will we do in the meantime?
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Well I hope the game doesn't die, then.
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On February 15 2008 12:50 Caller wrote:
chuiu ur killing us here, do you know when the update is coming?
Be patient.
(DISGUISED BUMP!!)
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Hey guys, since he DOES know who the bodyguards are, and if he's mafia, he would know who the mafia AND bodyguards are, he could have killed a bodyguard to throw some blame off of himself. As long as he still has ONE bodyguard, he can't be "killed" by the mafia (but he won't be killed by the mafia anyway, IF HE IS ONE, so he may just kill off some bodyguards for show).
Not saying that Steve's a mafia member, but just my first thoughts.
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On February 16 2008 18:52 Tracil wrote:
I changed my mind on clues after a bit; it's kind of dumb of me to just ignore them. By the same token, I won't be putting much faith in them. Still.
[clues]
Just woke up. This was a good post which combined all the clues we "know" so far.
It's interesting that there are TWO instances in which a mafioso used the victim's gun against him. Coincidence? I think we should probably follow that clue and guess who it is, then corroborate it with previous posts.
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He only has one of those, I believe.
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On February 17 2008 03:11 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2008 02:51 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso. Actually if you're smart and innocent, you can search for clues that point to MAFIA. After all there is 14? mafia out of 72 townies, so pointing strong evidence might lead the crowd into lynching a sure target. You have too much suspicion on you right now, so you're dead. You're probably mafia, as all you did was yell IM NOT and didnt contribute to findings, or at least try. I'll call you stupid after I'm lynched and it shows I'm a townie. Okay? Edit: I guess I was too vague in this post. You don't even know how the game works. I'm screwed unless I cheat. Even If I give up the mafia members I've already figured out, I'll be killed simply because retarded people think they're Sherlock Holmes.
Well who are the mafia members you've already "figured out"?
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On February 17 2008 03:52 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2008 03:50 str wrote:completely off topic but does anyone know how old dr.dragoon is? he sounds like those annoying 12-yeah olds that just whine whine whine when its not going their way. P.S. masterofchaos u better stop posting game related stuff or u might end up like generalstan  How old are you? You sound like one of those 12 year olds who whine, whine, whine, and can't write.
I was about to post something similar, except also point out the fact that he's not in the game XD
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Dr.Dragoon, if you don't want to get lynched, you should tell us your accusations so we can lynch those you're positive are mafia instead of you. People can still change their votes, you know.
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On February 17 2008 06:08 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Mahnini was getting a lead on Shallow[Bay]. Maybe he got hit because he was about to uncover mafia?
He can still participate in non-lynch/vote type stuff after he's dead, so a mafia hit to stop someone from talking is useless.
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It might even work against the mafia, since it'll throw suspicion on them.
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I'm abstaining on all of my votes. I just don't know who to vote for
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Before you die, Dr.Dragoon, you can still help the townies (which, if you want to win and you are a towny, then you'll want to do this) by telling us who your mafia picks are, as well as an explanation. That way, your death won't be in vain.
Of course, if you do turn out to be part of the mafia, then good riddance :/
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This is just depressing
I don't think anyone's clues (THAT MEANS YOU, VHAROX) can really be interpreted and used to convict anyone.
I'm almost glad to see Dragoon gone, though. He didn't share his mafia picks before he died and now we don't know his suspicions (which actually might have been accurate).
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On February 17 2008 23:53 Klive5ive wrote:
(I'm not in the game)
This is really gripping, even if you're not playing.
Come on Townies get your act together, you're getting owned!
Shut up, we're trying >:O
Seriously, if you were actually part of the game, you'd know how frustrating it is. You've been following the thread too, right? Didn't you also think that they were mafia?
Right.
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On February 18 2008 10:47 rpf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2008 10:26 Yog\urt wrote:On February 18 2008 09:46 rpf wrote:
Actually it says "a educated;" oh, the irony. i dont get it MAFIA? The phrase, "a educated" is grammatically-erroneous. Any word beginning with a vowel following the article "a" means the article "a" becomes "an." Show nested quote +On February 18 2008 10:29 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 18 2008 10:26 Yogurt wrote:On February 18 2008 09:46 rpf wrote:
Actually it says "a educated;" oh, the irony. i dont get it MAFIA?
I vote to lynch rpf+ Show Spoiler +
'Erroneous' isn't the right word to use there ;\\
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On February 18 2008 12:40 LTT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2008 12:39 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 18 2008 12:33 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
oh i want dawn already, i want to see the mob hits You sound very confident of being alive come dawn. He was just lynched. I'm pretty sure his confidence is 0.
XD
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Or if they're actually trying to pretend to be innocent townies >_>
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Actually, form a mafia standpoint, it would probably make more sense to kill randomly in order to not have any leads as to who they are.
In my opinion, we should just start lynching people randomly. Just select random numbers from the list and lynch them.
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On February 19 2008 12:11 Falcynn wrote:
lynch #6 and 12 those were the second and third winning lotto numbers of the canadian lottery, there sound good?
fuck I trust Tracil, and #12 is dead, someone else numbers and state.
edit2: the BC lotto has the same numbers as the Canadian lottery page I checked so it's the same.
Ha! What a loser ;D
1, 6.
Indiana.
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Cute :D...I'm gonna have a method too!
Someone give me a country and a fruit. I'll give MY method when I post next!
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Ok,
I take the country, its capital, the fruit genus and species, and count the number of letters in each. I multiply them together, and cube the result. The resulting number will be divided into groups of two (doesn't matter if it's an odd result, I'll just omit the last number). The first group that corresponds with a player will be selected!
Belgium, Brussels, Punica, Granatum
19 | 42 | 17 | 24 | 67 | 2
Player number 19!
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That would be Fen for me :D
EDIT: An appropriate pun would be: "That would be fen with me!"
I deserve to be shot...or lynched. omg.
EDIT 2: For the pun. And really, don't lynch me
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On February 19 2008 12:39 Tracil wrote:
Even relying on clues would be better than random guessing.
You could find an contrived connection with clues to make relying on them akin to relying on random guessing. You saw how positive we were with the clues we had, yet we ended up lynching two innocent townies? Yeah.
On a side note, all three sentences began with the letter Y!
EDIT: Yeah, I'm not being serious either.
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WHAT ARE YOUR METHODS?!?!?!
By the way, I'm going to sleep now.
Be back tomorrow!
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Yeah, nothing happened of use the past few pages.
Off to real sleep now. Seriously.
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Wow, got back and read the last seven pages.
My thoughts:
First, to the people who're calling for a double lynch, it's probably too late now.
Second, just because people were opposed to Shallow doesn't mean that they aren't mafia themselves. It's VERY possible that Shallow was just a "sacrifice" mafioso; he was going to get lynched soon enough anyway after the whole DrDragoon fiasco, so he could have arranged for some mafia members to "go against" him. Once Shallow died, the mafia members who opposed Shallow would have all doubt on them removed since, hell, they voted to lynch a mafia member!
Because of this, I honestly don't think that just because someone accused Shallow, they are an innocent towny.
Tracil, your thoughts on this? I know you're quite experienced in these games so I was just wondering if my thinking was correct.
"Thirdly", these clues are still as vague as ever. Is there any chance Chuiu could make them less, say, ambiguous? It's very easy to find a contrived "connection" to just about anyone from just about any clue. Personally, I think these clues are throwing us off; we should focus on people's responses and play-style more, instead of relying on "clues".
EDIT: "Thirdly"...otherwise I would have had two second points.
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On February 20 2008 12:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you guys are unbelievably stupid
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After this round of lynchings, I'd say to just start randomly lynching people. Or, if any important facts surface or people start acting suspiciously, lynch them.
One thing I'm very interested in: if some mafia members aren't responding, or don't check this thread or something, can other mafia members vote in proxy in their stead? If so, then there may be lots of inactive players who are mafia members whose "mafia votes" are being used by other mafia members. This could change the game dramatically.
EDIT: I'd like to get Dapperdan or Chuiu's response for my question above, if possible. If not, then probably some other knowledgeable person.
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On February 20 2008 10:54 Tracil wrote:
Mmm. I'm not sure overthinking is quite the right word.
Part of my general game theory is that people who talk often and frequently are generally more likely to be town than scum, and if they ARE scum, it'll come out in what they say. Conversly, people who are silent are awful for town.
So... I'm still pretty suspicious of Caller, and actually his latest posts look kinda bad. But I think it would be better if we took some time to yell at people not talking at all.
@Tracil, why do you think so?
@HotZhot, you're probably right. Just throwing stuff out there.
Off to sleep!
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On February 21 2008 08:03 dinmsab wrote:
My vote is for Live2Win.
GTFO.
And it's natural for people to be suspicious, so I don't see why Tracil being suspicious is any indication of guilt.
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On February 21 2008 11:56 CDRdude wrote:
I see a lot of people voting for L2W. Remind me, what clues pointed to him, if any? I never really got a sense of being mafia from him. I guess at this rate, we'll find out.
Well, we had "clues" pointed at other people which turned out to be duds. At the moment, we're just voting based on how people act during the thread.
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On February 22 2008 05:57 Southlight wrote:
Also,
Empyrean
Dogma: I am God.
Connects with
- "you will have to answer for this to god"
Wait...if I were mafia, I will have to answer for this to myself?
Right.
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In the meantime, I'm going to jump on the bandwagon!
I am voting for FakeSteve for no good reason.
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Ok.
I'm voting yes on the extension, just to see how this all resolves out.
And where the hell is the Detective?
Finally, yeah, I just meant to say she LOOKS 15, not she IS 15.
<_<
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You can't vote yes to double lynch; it's entirely in Steve's prerogative.
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Just because people vote against each other doesn't mean that they're both not mafia. Since mafia killing power won't decline if one of them dies, it's very likely that they're just trying to play against the town by pretending that they're both townies. Two mafia wouldn't accuse each other, right?
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After reading the last few pages, I'm going to pretty much agree with Fakesteve here.
I'm changing my vote from the Fakesteve one to no one.
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On February 23 2008 14:24 HotZhot wrote:
Hmm, why wouldn't you pardon steve? because you are next in line?
No, he's not next in line.
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Because if he did, then the town would have suspected that they were acting together and were BOTH mafia. :/
By the way, we can still win, as long as the vigilantes and town end up killing the right people.
However, I highly suspect that at least one of the vigilantes aren't playing in this round, since the first night they could act, there was only one vigilante death.
Which pretty much means our only way of killing mafia is to lynch them.
:/
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I'm just waiting for Tracil's next large post.
He kinda does all the analyzing work for us. I feel like such a moocher
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On February 24 2008 02:16 wurm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2008 01:08 Empyrean wrote:I'm just waiting for Tracil's next large post. He kinda does all the analyzing work for us. I feel like such a moocher Yeah, and look where his analyzing has gotten us. 1 dead mafioso and 18 dead townies. Yes, let's count on Tracil to save us.
Actually, the dead mafioso was from a vigilante :O
And in response to your previous post, I don't believe paramedics can save people from a lynch. Thus, even if someone were a paramedic and wanted to save FS, he couldn't have. Only a pardoner can save someone from a lynch.
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On February 24 2008 06:30 CDRdude wrote:
L2W, I think proof will come tomorrow morning when we find your dead body. Face it, you're pretty screwed now, and so is the town.
What everyone keeps forgetting is that all the mafia has to do is outnumber the voting citizens. Therefore, since we have like 20 inactives, well be pretty screwed in 3 or 4 days. Even worse, most likely at least a portion of the mafia isn't posting. Because of that, we will have a very hard time separating them from inactives, especially given our nomstellar track record for interpretation of clues. I'm pretty discouraged at this point.
Keep in mind that not all of the mafia are necessarily active either. It's very possible that, since they're acting as a team, there is one "mafia leader" who sends a COMBINED list to Chuiu every night. I'm pretty sure that such a leader could kill for the inactive mafia.
Which puts us at a very bad position. There is no "townie leader" that we all trust to vote for the inactives in proxy. However, there is probably a "mafia leader" that does so.
Which means we're pretty much screwed
...especially since I'm pretty sure the other two vigilante are inactives.
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Don't leave, Tracil
You still have to post your large analyzed post!
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On February 25 2008 12:18 Vharox wrote:
I feel like the game has become a drag as of now...
Then participate more!
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On February 26 2008 03:54 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wow you guys fucking suck lozl
I think you're just bitter that you're the only mafia member dead.
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On February 26 2008 08:08 nemY wrote:People who I suspect are mafia: Empyrean For the same reason Alventenie mentioned him, although I thought of him independent of Alventenie's thought. Oh yeah and in the post where he playfully jokes with the now dead ShaLLoW[BaY] Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 05:36 Empyrean wrote:On February 26 2008 03:54 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wow you guys fucking suck lozl I think you're just bitter that you're the only mafia member dead. Bastard also edited his signature to mock us townies (possibly)
1. I tell Shallow to shut up because he's a drag on the game.
2. My signature has always been that. In fact, people thought it was a "clue" even after the first night.
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On February 26 2008 08:12 ZBiR wrote:
2 things:
Firstly, there was something about doing things with speed and grace in some earlier clues, you remember it guys? Then, what do you do with both speed and grace? The only thing that comes to my mind is dance. This gives us dancefayedance and dinmsab ("FBH needs dancing lessons" in quote) as possible candidates of being mafia. I think dancefayedance is more suspicious, since dinmsab contributes to the game. It would be good if a detective checked this.
This is retarded. You know what else needs speed and grace? Hurdles. And gynmastics.
Suspecting dinmsab or dancefayedance because dancing requires speed and grace is just about as stupid as suspecting me because I tell Shallow to gtfo.
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On February 26 2008 08:32 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 08:22 Empyrean wrote:On February 26 2008 08:08 nemY wrote:People who I suspect are mafia: Empyrean For the same reason Alventenie mentioned him, although I thought of him independent of Alventenie's thought. Oh yeah and in the post where he playfully jokes with the now dead ShaLLoW[BaY] On February 26 2008 05:36 Empyrean wrote:On February 26 2008 03:54 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wow you guys fucking suck lozl I think you're just bitter that you're the only mafia member dead. Bastard also edited his signature to mock us townies (possibly) Dogma: I am God. 1. I tell Shallow to shut up because nemY is mafia.2. My signature has always been that because nemY is mafia. You found me out! :D!
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Alventenie, a better way to use your detective powers is to use them not to single out individuals, but to get groups of people in which there are at least a few mafia. This way, we can lynch the whole group. I think around six or eight townies isn't a heavy price to pay if we can kill two or three mafia. Although we have a few townies dead, the mafia deaths are more than worth it.
The trouble is figuring out which questions to ask.
That being said, I'd be glad to help you come up with some potential questions. Maybe other people can help too? Send me a PM or something.
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On February 26 2008 10:00 ZaplinG wrote:
Did no one hear my speech right after day came?
If that doesn't persuade you, then I don't know what will.
To quote Zola,
Je le répète avec une certitude plus véhémente: la vérité est en marche et rien ne l'arrêtera. C'est d'aujourd'hui seulement que l'affaire commence, puisque aujourd'hui seulement les positions sont nettes: d'une part, les coupables qui ne veulent pas que la lumière se fasse; de l'autre, les justiciers qui donneront leur vie pour qu'elle soit faite. Je l'ai dit ailleurs, et je le répète ici: quand on enferme la vérité sous terre, elle s'y amasse, elle y prend une force telle d'explosion, que, le jour où elle éclate, elle fait tout sauter avec elle. On verra bien si l'on ne vient pas de préparer, pour plus tard, le plus retentissant des désastres.
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Very good post :D
I'm going to vote for Romance_us to be lynched!
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I think what the mafia tried to do was bank on the fact that most of the townies aren't active at all, and tried to kill off the Pardoner.
However, the bad news is that the mafia can still kill off six people tonight.
:/
Finally, to anyone who suspects me, I'd like to know why. I'd be glad to address the concerns and I'll be checking back on the thread sporadically throughout the next few hours.
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There is no way Tracil would have told FIVE mafia to vote for him, especially since it would have been pretty much impossible to ensure that he would get second place and not first.
I never really had much suspicion of Tracil, and this recent finding pretty much affirmed my beliefs.
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I wish we could have the other detective alive
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The good news is that since there are inactive townies, there are probably inactive mafia as well.
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I'm afraid that I'm going to have to vote for Live2Win.
Why?
I'm actually not basing this on the "clues", as as I've stated before, I'm never going to rely on the clues. They've gotten way too many of us killed. In fact, the only clue which actually led to a mafia death was the blatantly obvious one for to miss the mark.
However, I'm going to go with the fact that he publically stated that he was a Paramedic and was expecting to die. However, he still isn't dead. And, coincidentally, NO ONE HAS RECEIVED PARAMEDIC PROTECTION. I would believe him if he publically announced who he was going to protect, but there has been no such announcement. And what do we get? An "accidental" death of our detective.
Way to go.
Of course, it is entirely possible that the mafia just didn't kill him so we suspect him.
...but I don't think that's very likely at all.
I vote for Live2Win
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Hmm.
I suppose I'll change my vote, then, given the recent developments.
I change my vote from Live2Win to unforgiven_ve.
Although I'm waiting for unforgiven to defend himself.
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I love how when everyone realizes Unforgiven's a mafia member, he doesn't respond.
Ha :D
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On March 02 2008 13:54 nemY wrote:
All those voting for Unforgiven are gay/mafia. You might as well end the game now with the way the inactive townies are we have no hope.
And when Unforgiven comes up mafia you're going to eat your words.
...and if he's not then, well, that just pretty much sucks. He was a pretty active guy, from what I recall.
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On March 02 2008 13:54 nemY wrote:
All those voting for Unforgiven are gay/mafia. You might as well end the game now with the way the inactive townies are we have no hope.
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Ok, I'll be back with a detailed post of my thoughts when I come back from church.
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I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic.
nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso?
Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven.
I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible.
HotZhot we know is an elder.
Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/
For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have.
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.
Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves.
EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's.
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On March 03 2008 03:25 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic.
nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso?
Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven.
I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible.
HotZhot we know is an elder.
Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/
For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have.
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.
Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves.
EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's. I already sent in my PM to protect HotZhot I could change it, but maybe one of the other two medics could protect you?
Fuck, well who are the other paramedics?
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On March 03 2008 09:34 HotZhot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2008 03:30 Empyrean wrote:On March 03 2008 03:25 Live2Win wrote:On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic.
nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso?
Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven.
I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible.
HotZhot we know is an elder.
Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/
For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have.
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.
Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves.
EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's. I already sent in my PM to protect HotZhot I could change it, but maybe one of the other two medics could protect you? Fuck, well who are the other paramedics? Why you ask?
Well, since I posted my suspicions, I'm probably likely to be a target of a mafia if any of my suspicions are correct. I was banking on Live2Win protection tonight, but that can't be counted on.
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We can't let this thread die. We're having a comeback!
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On March 04 2008 05:52 Chuiu wrote:Day post will be delayed. Reason.
Ohnoes
Someone call a paramedic!
We'll keep the thread alive :D
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Oh noes
The thread is slowly withering away
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Get well soon!
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Well this is just great. Here are my immediate suspicions:
How could SO MANY FREAKING VIGILANTES DIE? They all probably messaged a paramedic looking for protection, knowing that the vigilantes would be needed for the upcoming days in order to help us win. So who is the only "paramedic" we know? Live2Win. Has he actually successfully protected anyone? No. He "accidentally" forgot to protect the ONE active detective we had.
So after the vigilantes told Live2Win that they were vigilantes, Live2Win could potentially have passed the information to the mafia. And that would only happen if he himself were mafia.
Thus, I vote for Live2Win
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On March 09 2008 03:05 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2008 01:09 Empyrean wrote:
Well this is just great. Here are my immediate suspicions:
How could SO MANY FREAKING VIGILANTES DIE? They all probably messaged a paramedic looking for protection, knowing that the vigilantes would be needed for the upcoming days in order to help us win. So who is the only "paramedic" we know? Live2Win. Has he actually successfully protected anyone? No. He "accidentally" forgot to protect the ONE active detective we had.
So after the vigilantes told Live2Win that they were vigilantes, Live2Win could potentially have passed the information to the mafia. And that would only happen if he himself were mafia.
Thus, I vote for Live2Win You're so full of shit. L2W protected HotZhot. Fuck you I'm voting zdd for mafia. Let's at least get the one guy we know is Mafia!
How do you know he protected HotZhot? I must have missed it. What page is it on?
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Ah, I just reread that page.
You could be correct, although as Tracil points out, it's entirely possible that the mafia simply decided not to hit HotZhot that night because L2W ostensibly protected him.
If anyone was actually successfully protected by L2W, would they have received a confirmation PM from Chuiu?
I'm still pretty convinced that L2W is mafia. There are simply too many unlucky "coincedences" involving him.
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Oh, one more thing: Don't forget that the mafia also read these pages. It's entirely possible that they didn't hit me last night because
1) my theories are entirely wrong
2) if I were alive, that would cast suspicion on me.
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Hey guys: read the following clue:
"As randombum ran, he could hear the man from behind him yell, "I'll save you! I promise!" with a hideously evil laugh following. It was at this time that randombum realized his own fate."
To me, this sounds like Live2Win. Remember? He's promising to save us townies with his paramedic power, but never quite succeeds in doing it (because he's not a paramedic).
Remember how he said he'd save our detective, alventenie? He promised to protect him. And how did that go? Right. He was probably laughing behind his monitor as alventenie revealed his detective secrets under the supposition that Live2Win was protecting him, only to be murdered the following night as the mafia probably realized they were about to be figured out (especially with the 5/9 clue).
Any counters, L2W?
EDIT for a little content, above.
To ensure I didn't edit the post in response to anyone else, please verify the timestamps.
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On March 09 2008 10:31 Fen wrote:
Can all those people who think they KNOW the mafia please write it down and take a screenshot with the date showing or something.
This is obviously harder than you guys think and Id love to see if you guys actually get it right.
The fact that you use "you guys" is very, very suspicious.
Also, I'm writing a post-game "write-up", kind of like how NeoIllusions did for Travian. If members of each side, including special roles, vanilla townie, mafia, etc. Give me some PM logs, or IRCChat logs or something, it would be greatly appreciated. If key players such as Tracil, L2W, alventenie, etc. give me their personal thoughts after each "round", it would also be appreciated.
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What are you doing trying to get all the bodyguards to post?!
Anyway, statistically unlikely doesn't mean impossible.
EDIT: Not going to bother; violates assumptions of test, anyway.
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Who's mafia? Are my guesses right?
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The problem is, most of the arguments against you make logical sense as well. It's entirely possible that you're just doing some of the things you are to try and shift blame away from yourself.
If it does turn out that you're townie, though, whomever you suspect will pretty much be under intense scrutiny. Since that's the case, I'd just recommend posting a "last will" of sorts while you're still alive.
If you're townie, in death you'll be vindicated.
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On March 11 2008 04:05 Live2Win wrote:
I want to know why Tracil has gone mia during the last day/night cycle.
PM him and find out.
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As if you were ever there?
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Attention all mafia players:
Eti307 and I are writing a mafia game wrap-up, as in the lines of TL.net's Travian Experience (read the articles). We're doing a report interspersed with interview questions, and we'll have details on all points of view as well as mafia strategy. We have Me, Eti307, Fen and Vharox giving insight to the mafia, as well as alventenie for the detective. We ask for any townie (especially active ones such as Caller, nemY, Tracil, etc.) to give their inputs and what they thought at different times of day.
Also: a little bit of my strategy:
In this game, I was basically playing the role of clueless newbie who is suspicious enough to be mafia, but is naive enough about the game to potentially be innocent. Early on the game, I was planning to "sacrifice" myself to Tracil by supporting him in basically everything and letting myself get detected, but that didn't appear to be necessary once the game wore on. I'll explain a lot more in detail. I had a whole post with very intentionally flawed statistics (I did a flawed Gosset's t-test while disregarding independence and randomness conditions) in order to "prove" that some of my targets were mafia. That wasn't necessary either.
A lot more'll be coming up in the report, however. So please give me any and all insights. If you're willing to contribute, please PM me.
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On March 12 2008 10:25 Fishball wrote:
Just so you guys know, eti307 was the guy behind the scene, coordinating and calling most of the shots for Mafias.
Yeah. Him, me, Vharox and Fen had a long slew of mafia PMs going, and I'll post some in the upcoming report we're about to write.
Little teaser:
I wrote in a PM:
+ Show Spoiler +Your last minute switch once you knew Tracil wouldn't be lynched is pretty suspicious to me ;D
Anyway, since our killing power hasn't been diminished, I recommend hitting everyone who has been active in the past few pages. I don't think townies are notified if paramedics watch them.
I'd like two hits put on alventenie, the detective. He's most likely being watched. To alleviate their concerns, I'm about to ask alventenie to ask if I'm mafia. Unfortunately, he'll be dead.
Ha!
Anyway, after this night, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to brute force some votes.
Unfortunately, the town knows that of the people who voted for Tracil, 5/9 were mafia.
The response:
+ Show Spoiler +you tought exactly the same as me, fen and unforgiven
Here's the list we propose:
1- Alventenie
2- Alventenie
3- ulszz
4- cdrdude
5- ZBir
6- infinity21
Btw it wasn't a switch, I didn't vote yet at the time. I think voting for tmtm drop suspicions on me until we kill everyone who voted for him but me lol
Fortunately I didn't vote for tracil, the detective would've found another mafia in the list
what do you think
And lol@never suspecting me for the piano clue as well as basically four freebie clues about God.
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Oh quick thing: yeah, lots of people suspected me for those clues. I honestly don't know how I (we?) managed to redirect those off of me.
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On March 12 2008 10:33 Alventenie wrote:
i think the piano clue was vague, because most people dont really know much about them or performances (i dont). I suspected you with the multiple god comments, but they didnt seem strong enough until after i was dead (because the other person i thought they could relate to died).
And yes, i had 1 paramedic watching me when i died =/, too bad someone ELSE (cough L2W cough) didnt protect me or i woulda lived.
Yeah, I suggested two hits put on you. You should have put all the paramedics on yourself ;D
Anyway, you're still interested in giving me your thoughts, right? If you could just comb through your thoughts after each day/night cycle transpired. I'm very interested as to who you thought the God clues could have related to. They were pretty much directed at me, but I guess my combination of staying calmish while showing slight indignity and lots of feigned naivety sort of played out in my favor :D
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On March 12 2008 10:58 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 10:16 CDRdude wrote:
Chuiu, as for game update times, please make it longer than 24 hours. FWIW, I vote for no more than 24. As long as most people are voting most of the time, it doesn't matter if people miss occasional votes, so why drag out the game? To Empyrean or other Mafioso, I'm very curious: Was Shallow[bay] a maverick or were the Dr. Dragoon episode and/or his pointing to the "iaaagh" clue part of the plan?
As far as I know, he was just acting out. Very dumb move on his part. I'm really interested in what he has to say.
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On March 12 2008 11:11 CDRdude wrote:
A question to the mafia: why didn't any of you run for mayor? Did you not realize that a mafioso could run for mayor, or were you trying to lay low? Or was there another reason of which I am unaware.
My theory is that we didn't want to being any undue suspicion to ourselves. Once all the candidates for mayor were dead, if one of us were still alive, it'd be pretty suspicion. However, if there are only two candidates alive and neither of them were mafia, it would be highly suspicious - we'd be basically assured that one of them would get lynched in the following days, giving us more time to strategically kill people. We'd pick targets that one of the suspects has directly opposed in previous pages, casting lots of suspicions on that candidate.
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Thanks for the post.
Why did you PM Shallow, though? He wouldn't have revealed anything.
EDIT: This is directed at the long series of PMs with Plexa.
Also, I'm very curious as to Tracil's thoughts.
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"A mafia had been infesting the quiet town for the past decade taking up positions of importance and gaining trust through misguided joy (to miss the mark) and position.(Empyrean)"
How did that relate to me? Misguided position?
EDIT: I'm off to bed! This has got to be some sort of record...taking only six days in order to force victory :D (or at least having the townies resign).
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Ok. I'm really going to sleep after this post.
The reason why I didn't change my signature after all the clues pointed at me was that it'd be even more suspicious. If all these clues pointed to my old signature, then I change it and another clue points at the new one, that'd basically 100% mark me as a mafia. I assumed townies would keep a running tally of important information such as this.
And thanks for thoughts, Tracil.
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Something that may help:
Each mafia member may only submit one name to Chuiu. That way, inactive mafia members (of which there were) would also be punished.
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On March 13 2008 10:29 Falcynn wrote:
Also, since the game's over. Can the mafia please elaborate how they killed the 2 vigilantes? Pure dumb luck? Or was there some elaborate plan set up to get the vigilantes to reveal themselves to you?
All will be revealed in my wrap-up! I have my analysis up to Valentine's day at around 7:00ish. It's fun reading all these old posts and trying to remember what I was thinking. I'm sending a draft of my thoughts of the initial day to Eti right now. It's currently 1498 words. And that's only up to immediately following the election.
But to answer your question, we went through the game with the assumption that most of the inactive people were vanilla townies - why else would they be inactive? We had a high chance to hit some special roles, and by some stroke of luck managed to kill two vigilantes in the same night.
Coincidence!
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