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On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote: I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it. Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t. To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question. Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are.
Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense
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Are you saying this guy is like ls or something?
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Here is the thing. His top scum read and the lynch he was pushing flipped town. And his reads didn’t change AT ALL. It was just, let’s keep lynching down my list. Which as it happens has another townie at the top.
Even for bad players that’s not a normal response as town.
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On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote: I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it. Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t. To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question. Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are. Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️
I already said I’m not DP.
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On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote: I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it. Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t. To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question. Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are. Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed onI am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️
This first part is right at least.
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On June 09 2024 18:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 18:05 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote: I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it. Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t. To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question. Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are. Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️ I already said I’m not DP. Then you are less likely to be mafia then
I think you overrate dp
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On June 09 2024 19:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Alpha, why would 3 strong players on someone mean they are mafia? Those 3 strong players aren’t confirmed town either
Not what I said or what I mean.
Don't be dense.
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On June 09 2024 20:52 marvellosity wrote: In that world, does DMB know it was tvt?
Her reason for tr Scott was weak
Yeah I pinged on that too.
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On June 09 2024 20:56 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 20:52 marvellosity wrote: In that world, does DMB know it was tvt?
Her reason for tr Scott was weak Yeah I pinged on that too.
She did it a few times actually. Like was weird about not wanting to lynch Scott.
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Oats what are your actual reads? Do you still think Scott is mafia?
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On June 09 2024 21:05 marvellosity wrote: Slams filter is such trash. I don’t know what that actually means but it’s just …
I said earlier in the game I didn’t believe in rayn/slam mafia but tbh there’s literally no reason why not really at this stage
Too easy though.
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mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion?
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[QUOTE]On June 09 2024 22:17 Trfel wrote: [QUOTE]On June 09 2024 22:14 marvellosity wrote: Stop with the compliments already x[/QUOTE]Dang, if not being an idiot is a compliment, you must not have as big of an ego as I thought 
If anyone has a moment, curious if my perspective on scott31337 not re-evaluating his reads makes sense to anyone else? While it makes a lot of sense to me, if I'm wrong about this, it would be good to figure that out.[/QUOTE]
Its so bad its making me consider if you could be mafia, despite your engagement levels.
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I don't understand the trfel hard defense of scott at all.
He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting.
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On June 09 2024 22:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote: mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? I know self meta is stupid but of all the games for me to be mafia in, why the one where I stopped following my post count limits? Like if you have an actual reason for me being mafia, other than just because I pushed something opposite to how you view the game, I'm quite curious. See above.
Im not saying you are mafia, I am saying you are fucking weird and make no sense with the scott defense.
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On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote: mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.
If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely
He is not really doing this beyond face value.
He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that.
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On June 09 2024 22:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote: mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.
If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely He is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. I just don’t agree.
when has he changed anything substantial based on considering another perspective?
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On June 09 2024 22:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:23 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:17 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:14 marvellosity wrote: Stop with the compliments already x Dang, if not being an idiot is a compliment, you must not have as big of an ego as I thought  If anyone has a moment, curious if my perspective on scott31337 not re-evaluating his reads makes sense to anyone else? While it makes a lot of sense to me, if I'm wrong about this, it would be good to figure that out. I’m struggling to make much of it either way? Hm.... I was thinking people would either strongly agree or disagree, how can you be stuck in the middle? I don’t know how to answer this without being circular Could he still hold those reads as town? Yes I think so Could he be mafia sticking with the same reads? Yes why not Am I missing something fundamental? Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him. Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town."
The problem is not that he is making bad arguments that has never been the problem. You guys are fucking reductionist paraphrasing to the point of losing the essence of the original issue.
Then you come up with this nonsense about bad arguments can come from town. No shit.
That is not why he is mafia. He is mafia because he doesn’t show evidence of Thinking and read progression that is essential to find and catch scum in a game of hidden information.
I am going to trust Marv that you are town. But I also think you are being actively harmful to town progress at this point so can you please put as much effort into finding some mafia as you do defending mafia.
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Like I do t even know who trfel thinks is mafia at this point.
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On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote: Trfel AZ Vivax Oats Sand Mocsta Scott DMB Koshi Rayn Slam
Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.
Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong?
Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too
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