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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:05 GMT
#1085
i won't lynch oats. frustrated as i was by him i wouldn't categorize him poking at what i'm saying as antagonizing. i could default to slam but i'd also prefer kelsier over that. slam's squarely null for me
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:13 GMT
#1093
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:16 GMT
#1095
i'd also be very, very surprised if there wasn't scum between sandy, kelsier and scott. i know that surprises literally no one but still
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:22 GMT
#1105
On June 09 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)

Nah we aren’t lynching for info that’s not a thing. (Info that is not related to blue roles)


lol that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying in a vacuum everything being equal
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:30 GMT
#1108
On June 09 2024 08:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:16 rsoultin wrote:
i'd also be very, very surprised if there wasn't scum between sandy, kelsier and scott. i know that surprises literally no one but still


It‘s tough when the nonvoters + sandro seem to be mia at the same time.

Sandro‘s thought process that I quoted would be hard to fake though. It‘s always a bit complicated tho


mmm

i mean i'll acknowledge i could just be very tunneled on sandy, but i consider that y'all's fault for giving me so many people to townread xP

i'm assuming you mean the posts about scott and me?

i don't actually think there's much of any post that can't be made by scum as long as it's a normal thought for them to have as a player about what makes scum and town play when it comes to reasoning out a read? just think objectively what's scummy? you know? i guess that's why i look for people seeing things others haven't and bringing it to their attention

though you could argue that's what sandy did when saying my read on him was contrived lolol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:32 GMT
#1111
On June 09 2024 08:30 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)


This is terrible reasoning. Let’s not lynch scum because it tells us nothing.

You would take that every time day one given the chance.


-_-

all things being equal all things being equal all things being equal

two scumreads of equal weight two null reads of equal weight

one everyone's had to take stances on one barely mentioned

i'd favor the first

that's my point

yes, obviously, i prefer a damn scum lynch to a mislynch that's why i won't lynch into my townreads -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:36 GMT
#1115
On June 09 2024 08:36 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:30 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)


This is terrible reasoning. Let’s not lynch scum because it tells us nothing.

You would take that every time day one given the chance.


And do you think he‘s scum?
Hard to say for me with the low input.

Rayn seemed to think he was town.


I’m not commenting on that. I’m commenting on the reasoning which was off.


it wasn't
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:40 GMT
#1120
On June 09 2024 08:36 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:32 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:30 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)


This is terrible reasoning. Let’s not lynch scum because it tells us nothing.

You would take that every time day one given the chance.


-_-

all things being equal all things being equal all things being equal

two scumreads of equal weight two null reads of equal weight

one everyone's had to take stances on one barely mentioned

i'd favor the first

that's my point

yes, obviously, i prefer a damn scum lynch to a mislynch that's why i won't lynch into my townreads -_-


You have too many town reads though. It’s making me nervous honestly .


fine, be nervous. assume i have too many townreads cause i'm scum and know they're town and not because i'm trying to narrow down who i want to lynch when i have 5 out of 13 i'll join a wagon on

if i'm right and you're town you'll know it's genuine later idc if you think i'm bad for the way i play
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:53 GMT
#1133
On June 09 2024 08:43 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:40 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:36 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:32 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:30 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)


This is terrible reasoning. Let’s not lynch scum because it tells us nothing.

You would take that every time day one given the chance.


-_-

all things being equal all things being equal all things being equal

two scumreads of equal weight two null reads of equal weight

one everyone's had to take stances on one barely mentioned

i'd favor the first

that's my point

yes, obviously, i prefer a damn scum lynch to a mislynch that's why i won't lynch into my townreads -_-


You have too many town reads though. It’s making me nervous honestly .


fine, be nervous. assume i have too many townreads cause i'm scum and know they're town and not because i'm trying to narrow down who i want to lynch when i have 5 out of 13 i'll join a wagon on

if i'm right and you're town you'll know it's genuine later idc if you think i'm bad for the way i play



It’s more that you are town reading people for reasons I can’t empathise with. And it’s happening too often.

Just a little tmi. It’s possible you just have a gift at town reading scummy players. Or you are town reading people too quickly incorrectly.


*shrugs* i guess we'll both know later
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:58 GMT
#1136
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?


at the risk of answering for viva

if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either

1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread

or they just roll over

i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?

i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:59 GMT
#1138
On June 09 2024 08:57 AlphaZero wrote:
Nothing about this wagon looks like we will lynch mafia. Just saying.


there's always sandy xDDDDD
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:01 GMT
#1143
On June 09 2024 08:58 AlphaZero wrote:
Unless you think me and Marv are mafia or the mafia is afk while their buddy gets lynched.

Mafia are voting for Kelsier here almost certainly.



there's also the world where they're just both town and scum doesn't have to do anything

or the world where they'd rather be on a scum lynch cause kelsier's doing jack all and they want to look good when he flips

but i take your point
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:02 GMT
#1145
On June 09 2024 09:00 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:57 AlphaZero wrote:
Nothing about this wagon looks like we will lynch mafia. Just saying.


there's always sandy xDDDDD


Even if he is mafia it still doesn’t work


then i guess we're at an impasse
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:09 GMT
#1153
my shitty meta paranoid reason for not liking rayn this game is he always seems to find something i've said that's just too stupid to possibly come from town when he's town!rayn and my subjective perception is he doesn't do this as much as scum

but also if i mislynched rayn d1 while he's gone i'd feel like shit :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:10 GMT
#1159
On June 09 2024 09:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:02 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:00 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:57 AlphaZero wrote:
Nothing about this wagon looks like we will lynch mafia. Just saying.


there's always sandy xDDDDD


Even if he is mafia it still doesn’t work


then i guess we're at an impasse


Explain where the mafia are voting right now if kelsier is mafia? You think they are bussing day one?


you say this like mafia never buss an afk partner on d1. i'm pretty sure i have and i can't be the only one ever in existence
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:24 GMT
#1174
On June 09 2024 09:12 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?


at the risk of answering for viva

if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either

1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread

or they just roll over

i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?

i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion

alphazero - where does that sit with you?


Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.


We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.

Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.
i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds.

rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott?


yeah took a look at the filter and looks like mostly just shifting of where he places his town and scum reads relative to each other though if i missed an actual read change lmk scott
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:28 GMT
#1178
On June 09 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:10 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:07 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:02 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:00 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:57 AlphaZero wrote:
Nothing about this wagon looks like we will lynch mafia. Just saying.


there's always sandy xDDDDD


Even if he is mafia it still doesn’t work


then i guess we're at an impasse


Explain where the mafia are voting right now if kelsier is mafia? You think they are bussing day one?


you say this like mafia never buss an afk partner on d1. i'm pretty sure i have and i can't be the only one ever in existence


Sure they could but it would be dumb, if we say Scott is town and there is a completely viable mislynch that az can take the flak for.


...

okay i'm tryna follow your logic. you're saying you think scum would want to paint you in a bad light so they'd all pile onto your scott lynch if he's town and kelsier is scum and then push you as the main proponent of the scott lynch when he flips town, is that what you're getting at?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:30 GMT
#1180
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that

when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.

my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.

now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.


i'm confused

are you saying that your read on az should make scott read az town if he's town?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:35 GMT
#1182
On June 09 2024 09:28 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:10 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:07 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:02 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:00 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:57 AlphaZero wrote:
Nothing about this wagon looks like we will lynch mafia. Just saying.


there's always sandy xDDDDD


Even if he is mafia it still doesn’t work


then i guess we're at an impasse


Explain where the mafia are voting right now if kelsier is mafia? You think they are bussing day one?


you say this like mafia never buss an afk partner on d1. i'm pretty sure i have and i can't be the only one ever in existence


Sure they could but it would be dumb, if we say Scott is town and there is a completely viable mislynch that az can take the flak for.


...

okay i'm tryna follow your logic. you're saying you think scum would want to paint you in a bad light so they'd all pile onto your scott lynch if he's town and kelsier is scum and then push you as the main proponent of the scott lynch when he flips town, is that what you're getting at?


i mean yeah perfect world you'd rather go with the mislynch especially if you can just blame a townie for it later but that might be a little hard if they were lynching him too

also it just doesn't matter if the scumteam's largely not voting or there's already a scum on scott
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 09 2024 00:40 GMT
#1185
like i get getting squirrely when one wagon has way more traction than another i'm just not koshi. or is it vivax? who by the length of a wagon alone that must mean something especially on d1 when scum's largely outnumbered

certainly not when i'm townreading the other wagon

i could be wrong on scott and i'm trying to keep an open mind on that, genuinely. the reads not changing much thing is legit

it's honestly the only argument i've seen on him that i think is decent (sorry)

idk tho which read of his do you think should have changed from a town perspective?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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