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scott31337
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On June 09 2024 22:41 AlphaZero wrote: Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too I'm going to keep this in mind for your next choice tomorrow and how you swindle it off. | ||
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scott31337
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On June 09 2024 23:50 die_meatbaby wrote: I am sorry that I wasn't playing yesterday because of work. I need some sleep and I will start as soon as the night is over. It's not smart to post lists or opinions on who is what in the night... No it's fine to post lists a minute before deadline I do it all the time | ||
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scott31337
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On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote: I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. Which post? The one I'm calling him out? | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fwiw istill think marv is mafia, read a vouple of pages after my vote rn and i dot think the psition around me and rsoul and me comes from town without further investigation. Noted | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i don't think AZ is actually that townie as he "looks", if that makes sense to anyone. Damnit too much truth | ||
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scott31337
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On June 10 2024 02:37 marvellosity wrote: Koshi is mafia On June 10 2024 02:37 marvellosity wrote: Because of the things he said All this "read my filter" and "Koshi mafia cuz reasons" makes me cast doubt on you so it's easier to keep your stuff in check. It gets suspicious after a while. | ||
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scott31337
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I don't need to give you any more ammo/info on your NK I'm 95% sure who you are going to anyway | ||
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The biggest thing that still stands is when AZ says I have not changed my views/reads when clearly I had/have. I'm willing to keep going though because Koshi is such a refreshing voice so far. I know some people can't stand Koshi's play-style, but I enjoy it (as long as he doesn't get personal) | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why can Koshi have not 9 town reads? It would be eight right since Keisler's dead? | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: i just put up a number. how's your AZ case coming together? There are people who would buy into that you know`? It's not - but I just ordered food and I'm hungry so maybe some pizza and spicy wings will put some spark in it. | ||
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DMB and Vivax I've seen two town bitch at each other and reminds me of such from the past | ||
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At this time, yes. | ||
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On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote: June 07 2024 17:38 EDT #479 Oats and Sandro are top town. Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him. And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia… I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me. I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy. Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured, Won’t lynch Marv today. Rso has felt town by vibe. Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null. Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means. Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null. Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. And still to this day, I do not understand the top town Sandro read. Sandro has not posted since this post either, so everything in their thread https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba is relevant. On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote: So far I like rayn and trfel as town. On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me Now we know k3lsier did flip town. Now it's early, but the only read they have in common is Trfel and me. They disagree on marv (won't lynch to meh) they disagree on k3lsier (null, be sus to like) and they both dislike me. Now a read here and there I can disagree with, but if I'm town and I believe someone else is town, you would have reasonably similar reads, right? On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote: Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions - it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments - it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. - his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment. - option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda -option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things. I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia. It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely. I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. Here he is casting doubt again on a townie, but gives himself an out to not look bad. When I first read this, I thought option 2 - and think Mocsta is town. On June 09 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote: 22 hours ago #1113 This is still relevant. His scum reads have no foundation and he can’t really explain how they formed. That is objectively a mafia trait. I posted my reasoning (or foundation) for Sandroba. On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote: The major thing(s) with Sandroba is - And then went to There was a post from Keis - And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null. I also offered a list post as well - + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote: After re-reading the page before, this makes sense to me. Ehhh... This is like a "I don't know what else to write" I was going to give him another 6 or so hours, but yes - if marv rolls mafia he's super quiet. I liked rayn's point - marv agrees with it also. *noted* See I disagree with this. Although we did talk about the "red flags" weren't scum reading per se, I like this observation. My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags." Wouldn't lynch order raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs. Vivax - feels like his townie game too. marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia. Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him. rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise. Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different. Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r. So saying there's no foundation is a lie that's verifible. On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. Repeating himself - no foundation/reasoning. On June 09 2024 09:11 AlphaZero wrote: Yes but I’m town. And anyone with half a brain who is also town can see that. Using insults to possibly convince me he's town? But his actions are not. On June 09 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote: Dmb literally said she wants to vote your top scum read. That doesn’t change things for you. Nothing actually changed lol. You just saying it kind of has. Finally AZ quotes one of my reads post - another reads post I've made. But "nothings changed" On June 09 2024 18:04 AlphaZero wrote: Here is the thing. His top scum read and the lynch he was pushing flipped town. And his reads didn’t change AT ALL. It was just, let’s keep lynching down my list. Which as it happens has another townie at the top. Even for bad players that’s not a normal response as town. Here he casts more doubt - I lynched my top scumread and that flipped town, so let's go for my #2 scumread! Now from AZ's perspective if he's mafia (and I still believe he is) he would consider his scrumreads town (Unless they are terrible). Sandroba is a good example. On June 09 2024 22:26 AlphaZero wrote: I don't understand the trfel hard defense of scott at all. He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting. Now I've played with Trfel (and some Rsoul) so they understand a bit of how I think and such. I also believe they are both town (Trfel and Rsoul now Koshi) More doubt casting in my opinion. On June 09 2024 22:44 AlphaZero wrote: He is not playing the game. What you want me to say? He’s probably mafia because he asked for the mason chat at the start of the game and then went afk for most of the phase. Now, Rayn did not play for a bit of time here - but it's more doubt casting. I suspect if Rayn did not come back with fire, myself of him would be his next target. On June 10 2024 02:17 AlphaZero wrote: What a juicy entrance by Rayn. What does it mean?? Since with Rayn's enterance he realizes this would be a bad decision - it's his start to back off his earlier comment. AZ, Here you go. | ||
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scott31337
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On June 10 2024 07:20 Mocsta wrote: Definitely not scum together Like can you at least read my end of day1 filter if you are going to keep this up Yes where I transition to my former townread and your current townread scott So do you think none of them are mafia? Obviously you aren't going to include yourself, I get that. | ||
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I'll be taking a break for a bit - but I will have at least one more post before EoN and may check back in here and there. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:15 Mocsta wrote: mate you have been a town read for me probably from around the tail end of d1 when we were the only actives with rsoultin collaborating on the lynch. What's changed? I mean you said something about wanting to vote out Scott, yet I agreed with you Scott is not a good choice d2?? Have you missed that? I think rayn asked who I think is mafia which is lazy I have intentionally dropped my post count and what I do have points to dmb Trfel I tabbed your post to me on the case - I'll get to it here in a bit. Mocsta - I ask people who they believe are mafia all the time - it's not lazy - it's to get people to make decisions. Town usually does not have an issue with this - it forces mafia less outs though among other reasons. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:39 AlphaZero wrote: I also don’t understand how vivax can think I’m paired with Mocsta and Scott. This makes zero sense as well. A second thing I agree with you on! | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:51 Trfel wrote: @Scott31337, can I ask about this part of your case in particular?I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here. Particularly the second sentence. The rest of the case I think I see what you're trying to say, but you lost me here. Trfel- So what I was trying to say is that from AZ's perspective, I'm just going in order of my scum list (In his eyes, his townlist) just to get mislynch #1, #2, #3, GG etc. But I'm going after who I believe has the best chance of flipping mafia. And the second part is that AZ considers his mafia team town (I think I used the wrong word there, not scumreads) to protect them. Sandroba is a good example of such. | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:01 AlphaZero wrote: Scott who is getting night killed in your opinion? I'll have it in my EoN post. As I mentioned, I'm pretty sure mafia saw what I saw, but just in case they didn't, there's no need for me to help them. | ||
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