Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 40

On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote:
None of those apply to me

Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it

Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me

I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped.

I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie.

Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so.

On June 08 2024 18:30 AlphaZero wrote:


Can you post some hunting he is doing that isn't refrencing me (cause to me that Is a point against him) just curious what you consider active hunting.

On June 08 2024 18:39 marvellosity wrote:

This is total nonsense btw.

Last game scott went (correctly) hard at oats really early.

If anything this points towards him mafia here, not town.

On June 08 2024 18:36 marvellosity wrote:

Come now.

You’re smart enough to know that mafia need to fit in and town generally don’t care as they just want to find mafia.

That’s not to say it’s a 100% thing else I’d have switched my vote to you immediately. But you know what I’m saying is true.

As an aside that’s where the kelsier town read came from. He so blatantly wasn’t trying to pacify you or town. Again this is not 100% but it’s a townie trait and not a mafia trait.

On June 08 2024 19:05 Mocsta wrote:
you know there was a post before you said.. it works both ways.. scum marv is too smart to do that as well

same with the fit in comment.. scum mocsta definitely wouldnt throw that out there

i hear what you are saying, doesnt change both need to fit in. for me the weighting is a bit stronger cos i have a big ego

On June 08 2024 18:36 AlphaZero wrote:



This post is sus- how can you just ignore the points against him? It's like you aren't trying to discern what that means for his alignment.

Even Ignoring his opening, his case against me was objectively scummy-

Then you call his scumhunting a strong point.

It's mind boggling stuff.

On June 08 2024 19:11 marvellosity wrote:

If you have a big ego then you shouldn’t feel the need to fit in - makes literally no sense mate

Does palmar, me, hf try to fit in?

On June 08 2024 19:16 Mocsta wrote:
different type of dominance trait. regardless. i dont think this helps solve the game

if you are genuinely curious can talk about it more post game.

On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it

I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.

There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue.

On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it

I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.

There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue.

On June 08 2024 19:15 Mocsta wrote:
scott knows about mason, and is unsure about whisperer mechanic

people are conflating that in my mind.. like. i personally dont care about mason/whisperer differences, yet i dont see why someone else cannot care.. yeah its a weird post for town. i have never denied that.. BUT its early game and its not like he stood by that as activity so i dont view it scummy as a filter

i dont know what else to say

p.s. sorry to absolutely cripple you in pain but this post makes me feel most positive about you; enough that i would take you out of my mayor lynch category and back into normal lynch.

some used to refer to my town game as "moc-logic" and you just stumbled into it

On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:
Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though.

@marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily.

Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc.

Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not?

Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster.

On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions

- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments

- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.

- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.

the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.

- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda

-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.

I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.

It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.

I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.

On June 08 2024 18:53 marvellosity wrote:
Oats - Im not sure Vivax is a great lynch today.

Listening to DMB at least today on Vivax doesn’t seem like a bad idea regardless of her alignment. I’ve flicked Vivax’s filter again and although he could definitely be… more vivaxy? - it also isn’t really giving me scum vibes after all.

Tbh calling me town does freak me out a little bit but he’s actually done the same as town in a very recent game, so maybe his outlook on me is maturing a little?

I think the weird way he’s going about this Mocsta push is probably more likely to come from the town version of himself. It’s game relevant but he’s making it weird, which is classic Vivax

On June 08 2024 19:58 marvellosity wrote:

I think this is a nigh on perfect summary. Well done

On June 08 2024 19:56 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, honestly I get the impression you are ignoring me. Which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I would at least like to clarify if it's because you think I am mafia or because you think I am not being productive or what.

On June 08 2024 20:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

It’s not that he’s calling you town specifically. It’s just a complete nonsensical train of thought from a town player to open the way vivax did and then try to appear random and “townie” by throwing out random townreads